Happy Newton Day!
December 25th is a date to celebrate not because it is the disputed birthday of the "son of God" but because it is the actual birthday of one of the world's greatest men2. Comment #98958 by Monosilabbiq on December 15, 2007 at 2:52 am
By Mithras, this winter solstice can be a minefield!3. Comment #98959 by Duff on December 15, 2007 at 3:00 am
Professor Dawkins, we Americans have been celebrating Newton's birthday for nearly a hundred years with a delightful, sweet cake filled with sweetened figs.4. Comment #98966 by GBile on December 15, 2007 at 3:57 am
... public display of cribs and similar Christian symbols is outlawed for fear of offending Jews and others ( not atheists )
5. Comment #98967 by toomanytribbles on December 15, 2007 at 4:02 am
6. Comment #98968 by Noodly on December 15, 2007 at 4:07 am
7. Comment #98973 by Mr.E on December 15, 2007 at 4:24 am
... public display of cribs and similar Christian symbols is outlawed for fear of offending Jews and others ( not atheists )t
8. Comment #98974 by physicist on December 15, 2007 at 4:26 am
I have always believed that Newton is the greatest personality in the history of scientific development (and one of the greatest thinkers of all times, for that matter), contrary to pop culture that promotes and trivializes some of his 20th century peers (e.g., Einstein or Feynman, who did great things but, admittedly, "they were standing on the shoulders of giants".) Let us also not forget Maxwell and Boltzmann, the second one even being a tragic figure, driven to depression and suicide partly also because of narrow-minded, fanatical and almost "religious" ideas of fellow scientists, of all people! (OK, they were not strictly religious, they were "philosophical", whatever this means). Poor fellows, they lived long before the media-society offered publicity and glamour. But let us not forget, as Steven Weinberg has repeatedly pointed out, that there are also other impediments to scientific inquiry, completely unrelated to religion. Financial interests, political priorities and, worst of all, philosophical prejudices and overblown egoes being some of them.9. Comment #98978 by allanplaskett on December 15, 2007 at 5:00 am
Newton was a great scientist, but also an obsessional alchemist, misogynist and anti-socialite. He was a great mind, but a great man? I think not. He has never rid himself of the suspiscion of having plagiarised Leibnitz in the invention of the calculus. As Master of the Mint he caused the public execution of petty counterfeiters.10. Comment #98983 by Rtambree on December 15, 2007 at 5:14 am
9. Comment #98978 by allanplaskett11. Comment #98984 by physicist on December 15, 2007 at 5:25 am
In reply to #9 (allanplasket) and #10 (Rtambree): let us judge people in their own historical context. I think this point is trivial, actually, and none of us, clear thinkers(!), should fall into this trap. Alchemy and astrology were fashions of the time; alas, misoginy too. What "anti-socialite" means, I am not sure but I can easily think of some individuals who don't enjoy much of social mixing with fools and they might be labeled as anti-social or whatever. Apocalyptic prophecies? Again, theology was *the* scholarly occupation of that time! That's why Newton deserves all the credit for raising above the constraints of his era and making it possible that scientific thinking (in terms of modern theoretical physics) could be born. Forgot already that Harvard, Cambridge and Oxford were founded as theological seminaries? Did you ever have a stroll around Cambridge's oldest colleges, including Newton's own Trinity College? It is obvious that they were designed as monasteries. Please judge people according to the standards of the times they lived, not the modern ones.12. Comment #98988 by alexhouse on December 15, 2007 at 5:39 am
This has reminded me of a campaign I was considering starting. In 2012 the Olympics is coming to London and quite frankly I'm almost chewing my leg off in embarrasment about the opening ceremony already. I want to try and get the London Olympic Comittee to build it around Newton and the Enlightenment as a whole. I can see it now - astronomical objects, equations flying by, all that good stuff. Bearing in mind we can't really celebrate the one truly remarkable (in the literal sense) thing about Britain - the fact that we led the largest empire that there has ever been - I think the seeds of the relative eutopia we live in right now (I know, I know, but compare western society now with any other period in history and I think you'll have to admit I have a point) were in the Royal Society and it probably the one thing of which I can say I am proud of from a "patriotic" POV. Whether any of this is accurate is very much open for argument - but as a basis for an opening ceremony, I think it beats a bloody stupid jousting competition. We could throw in the Beatles too at a push. I'm sure there's some way we can connect the Enlightenment and them.13. Comment #98990 by physicist on December 15, 2007 at 5:43 am
Plus, the whole discussion on the term "great man" completely misses one of the main points I tried to make in my posting, I am afraid. What I am tried to say is that for us, practicing scientists, who earn our living by doing research, science is not the glorious, myhtical and glorified enterprise that many in this forum believe it is. It is ridden with many faults, traps and prejudices that humans carry in their minds and in their souls. By virtue of intellectual honesty, chastising religion in one thing and very much to the point in most cases, but a great deal of inhibition to scientific progress is self-inflicted, through hierarchical, political and financial structures of the scientific community itself. To some extent, science has a built-in process of self-healing, in the sense that scientific lies will be sooner or later discovered by means of peer review, attempts to reproduce results etc. But some results may cost an enormous amount of money and effort to be reproduced; and some truths may lie buried for a long time because power structures within the scientific community may prevent them from being aired -- and none, absolutely none of these has the slightest to do with religion.14. Comment #98992 by Nails on December 15, 2007 at 5:45 am
It meant that Christmas, which was the main thing each boy had been looking forward to since his birthday, was really coming - and what bad luck on poor Jesus, having his birthday on Christmas Day.
For better or worse, ours is historically a Christian culture, and children who grow up ignorant of biblical literature are diminished, unable to take literary allusions, actually impoverished. I am no lover of Christianity, and I loathe the annual orgy of waste and reckless reciprocal spending, but I must say I'd rather wish you "Happy Christmas" than "Happy Holiday Season".
15. Comment #98993 by quicksilver on December 15, 2007 at 5:54 am
16. Comment #98996 by gyokusai on December 15, 2007 at 6:18 am
Such seasonal opportunism continues to this day. In some states of the US, public display of cribs and similar Christian symbols is outlawed for fear of offending Jews and others (not atheists). [...] I am no lover of Christianity, and I loathe the annual orgy of waste and reckless reciprocal spending, but I must say I'd rather wish you "Happy Christmas" than "Happy Holiday Season".
17. Comment #98998 by Jack Rawlinson on December 15, 2007 at 6:31 am
18. Comment #98999 by Serious on December 15, 2007 at 6:32 am
and a Happy Yuletide to you all.19. Comment #99005 by Diacanu on December 15, 2007 at 7:14 am
20. Comment #99006 by bluebird on December 15, 2007 at 7:16 am
21. Comment #99009 by gruebait on December 15, 2007 at 7:24 am
22. Comment #99010 by home8896 on December 15, 2007 at 7:24 am
23. Comment #99012 by Shane McKee on December 15, 2007 at 7:46 am
24. Comment #99013 by errm... on December 15, 2007 at 7:59 am
Of course! That explains the tree. It should be an apple but the red, green and golden balls represent apples and the coloured lights are for his work on the spectrum. We have a star on top which is also appropriate. I suppose chocolate coins stand for his work at the mint.25. Comment #99015 by kaiserkriss on December 15, 2007 at 8:11 am
26. Comment #99021 by Friend Giskard on December 15, 2007 at 8:46 am
27. Comment #99023 by lbq on December 15, 2007 at 8:55 am
Very amusing contortions, these. We Scandinavians do not celebrate Christmas, but Jul (Yule), the old pagan solstice festival. Attempts to christianise it have not been too successful, it remains essentially the Great Pagan Pork-Eating Festival. No way you could assimilate that to either Chanukkah or Ramadan! And we do not have Santa or Father Christmas either, but Tomten - a sanitised and dressed up version of the old farmstead gnome, originally the spirit of the ancestral founder. If you did not put out a nice bowl of porridge to him on Julafton (Christmas Eve) he might get pissed off and burn the place down. God Jul to you all!28. Comment #99030 by NormanDoering on December 15, 2007 at 9:28 am
Newton Day! Ahhh, so the war on Squidmas begins.29. Comment #99045 by _J_ on December 15, 2007 at 10:31 am
30. Comment #99051 by jeepyjay on December 15, 2007 at 11:11 am
Calling 25th December "Newton Day" is something I've been doing for years, so I'm pleased to see Professor Dawkins picking up on it.31. Comment #99067 by jimbob on December 15, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Now before you all get carried away with this Newton thing, remember, gravity is ONLY A THEORY!32. Comment #99074 by Kris Verburgh on December 15, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Great! I know now what to write on my Christmas cards: Happy Newtonday! ;-)33. Comment #99076 by sent2null on December 15, 2007 at 12:48 pm
I have always believed that Newton is the greatest personality in the history of scientific development (and one of the greatest thinkers of all times, for that matter), contrary to pop culture that promotes and trivializes some of his 20th century peers (e.g., Einstein or Feynman, who did great things but, admittedly, "they were standing on the shoulders of giants".)
Let us also not forget Maxwell and Boltzmann, the second one even being a tragic ...
34. Comment #99081 by huxley_leopard on December 15, 2007 at 1:05 pm
I thought the true discoverer of the Law of Gravitation was Robert Hooke. He worked at the Royal Society at the time, and Newton sent him a draft of his paper. Hooke wrote back, "I think you'll find it's an inverse square law". Newton was the first to say, "standing on the shoulders of giants", which was a dig at Hooke, who was a very short man.35. Comment #99086 by huxley_leopard on December 15, 2007 at 1:24 pm
And Hooke worked with Wren on the Monument to the Great Fire of London, and St. Paul's Cathedral, which were both designed so that they could also be used as giant telescopes (before reflecting telescopes meant they could be much shorter and see further)36. Comment #99090 by Sara on December 15, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Richard Dawkins (and others who may have this info)37. Comment #99104 by pholt on December 15, 2007 at 3:02 pm
(before reflecting telescopes meant they could be much shorter and see further)
38. Comment #99110 by evaporated on December 15, 2007 at 3:33 pm
...and all this time I thought it was a day to celebrate Jesus's travel to earth on a sleigh with holy reindeer to deliver the good news of salvation!39. Comment #99165 by Wosret on December 15, 2007 at 7:27 pm
It will always just be Saturnalia to me. However I enjoy celebrating the winter solstice. Rebirth of the planet. When the shortest day hits, and it's all up hill from there. 40. Comment #99173 by dragonfirematrix on December 15, 2007 at 7:56 pm
41. Comment #99175 by dragonfirematrix on December 15, 2007 at 7:58 pm
42. Comment #99183 by Cartomancer on December 15, 2007 at 8:50 pm
43. Comment #99188 by monkey2 on December 15, 2007 at 9:10 pm
44. Comment #99198 by Sara on December 15, 2007 at 9:53 pm
thanks, Monkey2, for linking me to that site.45. Comment #99202 by Bonzai on December 15, 2007 at 10:07 pm
He was bitter, malicious, obsessive, neurotic, stubborn, unpleasant and nasty, and yet he knew few equals in his intellect and none among his contemporaries.
46. Comment #99203 by monkey2 on December 15, 2007 at 11:02 pm
47. Comment #99231 by physicist on December 16, 2007 at 2:06 am
Hi, sent2null, re: comment #39. I see your points, I think these are pretty much issues of taste and priorities. Newton made possible the synthesis pure abstract reasoning (the Greeks) with experimentation (Kopernikus and Galileo), to create what constitutes a most revolutionary achievement that still characterizes modern science: the formulation of natural laws in mathematical terms. This way he paved the way for the coming of Theoretical Physics, on which all modern science and technology (excluding, to some extent, the biosciences) is based.48. Comment #99249 by SMART on December 16, 2007 at 5:31 am
Don't celebrate Christmas, celebrate Krismas! Krismas has the same sounding name we're all familiar with... but with no religious connotations! http://www.smartsociety.org/christandchristmas.html49. Comment #99254 by bluebird on December 16, 2007 at 5:47 am
50. Comment #99267 by Sara on December 16, 2007 at 6:49 am
Hi, Monkey2 – actually the type of reputable scholar I'm referring to and I think Richard is referring to do NOT "use their 'finds' to justify the 'truth of the Gospels.'" They typically state their positive position on the existence of Jesus, then leave the rest to the imagination of the listener. Scholars only take a public stand on the positive message they know their audience will appreciate, but as I mentioned above, are typically silent (as any reputable academician would be ) on the issue of the supernatural.This article is reposted from a website that accepts comments.
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1. Comment #98956 by retrotransposon on December 15, 2007 at 2:47 am
Happy Newton Day, everybody=)
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