1. Comment #123020 by Chrono_Tata on February 6, 2008 at 11:19 am

- And what is "Faith 2.0"?

It's like Faith 1.0, but more unreasonable.

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2. Comment #123024 by Gymnopedie on February 6, 2008 at 11:22 am

I love how the guy at the beginning makes atheists seem like well educated scholars and grad students. Good job!

I'd guess that Sam Harris also doesn't think radical Islam and Western Christianity are the same thing. Maybe he should try reading Harris's books. What a straw man...

Geisler's book title is spelled wrong! Probably just a typo on the screen, but still, classic.

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3. Comment #123026 by Adam Morrison on February 6, 2008 at 11:25 am

ARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

While I agree that too many atheists don't read the other side, this is such a stupid video.

'The Dominant Secular Religion'
ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
It's not a religion you stupid poofists.

BTW, I love how their solution is more indoctrination. Wipe the doubt out early, we can't have them thinking for themselves.

I almost wish I drank, because stupidity of this level makes me want a bottle of scotch.

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4. Comment #123028 by Lana on February 6, 2008 at 11:28 am

Wow. That was amazing. But just what are those "rational, scientific" reasons to believe what they believe? Somehow, he never says.

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5. Comment #123033 by Quine on February 6, 2008 at 11:38 am

Given that 75% are finding out that they were taught BS as children, heaping more BS on is not going to solve the problem.

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6. Comment #123034 by Partisan on February 6, 2008 at 11:39 am

So, he's suggesting there are all these brilliant explanations for a (I'm assuming Christian, given the nature of the video) God which theologians have yet to present for...what reason exactly? I liked the tone of this video, but it's all very well saying such arguments exist without actually presenting them.

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7. Comment #123035 by The Reverend Dark on February 6, 2008 at 11:41 am

I just pinched off an 'atheist movement' that was far less offensive and far more honest than this bit of video dross.

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8. Comment #123036 by Eventhorizon on February 6, 2008 at 11:45 am

I love seeing christians trying to terrify the wits out of other christians.
Oh well, its what they do best

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9. Comment #123039 by Aerospacetax on February 6, 2008 at 11:48 am

An interesting video. These people tout themsleves as being reasonable and rational and scientific, but there is not one single statement in the entire video that is supported by any hard evidence. The sad thing I fear is that many people lack the critical thinking skills to see that. It's too bad that you can comment on this video on you tube because that is where so many people will see it and simple nod their heads in agreement. If we could comment there at least we could show people how irresponsible and disrespectful to the human condition these people are being. Unfortunalely this video is just one of many shameful examples of how far theists will go to hang on to their delusions. Someone needs to down load this and edit a rebuttal right into the original video. That sounds like somthing I should do. What a great idea! I'm of to go intellectually slay the christians.

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10. Comment #123042 by Fenriswolf on February 6, 2008 at 11:56 am

"Falling victim"? He makes it sound as if they are being indoctrinated at a young age. Religions seem to have the monopoly on that.

What a load of bollocks.

C

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11. Comment #123043 by technogogo on February 6, 2008 at 11:58 am

I just pinched off an 'atheist movement' that was far less offensive and far more honest than this bit of video dross

Very good job I'd just put my drink down. Otherwise it would have been spilled and sprayed all over my laptop. Soooo funny!

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12. Comment #123045 by Verylee on February 6, 2008 at 12:08 pm

A cry for help and argued in sanity.

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13. Comment #123049 by Sally Luxmoore on February 6, 2008 at 12:11 pm

This is actually a good thing.
It proves they're under threat and are scared.
All they're really doing is providing free publicity for all the books that they disapprove of !
The more they squeal, the better.

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14. Comment #123050 by Storeo on February 6, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Thats one of the most hilarious things ive seen in a while.

So many straw-men its unbelievable.

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15. Comment #123051 by Diacanu on February 6, 2008 at 12:12 pm

"The Christian faith is an anvil that's been wearing down hammers", eh?

Well, let people comment on Youtube.
Shrug off the hammers, Superman.

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16. Comment #123052 by Storeo on February 6, 2008 at 12:12 pm

I love the dark and threatening music, its great.

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17. Comment #123055 by weavehole on February 6, 2008 at 12:14 pm

I remember reading Ravi Zacharias' Deliver Us From Evil in about 1996 whilst going through a period of 'searching'. Had not heard his name mentioned before or after until this video and it stirred a synapse or two.

The best argument he had for Christianity being The Way, featured an American in some foreign gaol finding pages torn from a bible... In a toilet.

This shit strewn papyrus is apparently enough to show that the creator of the universe does indeed move in the most mysterious of ways.

Many a wise word in a grey head, my arse!

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18. Comment #123061 by Diacanu on February 6, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Got a giggle over how they played the spooky music when they panned across the 4 musketeer books.

Reminded me of the old anti Dungeons N' Dragons campaigns of the 1980's.

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19. Comment #123067 by crich83 on February 6, 2008 at 12:26 pm

I think this guy is making up a story. He doesn't name the professor, and doesn't name the book or author the "professor" asked him about.

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20. Comment #123068 by dazzjazz on February 6, 2008 at 12:26 pm

I love the propaganda nature of this!
Likewise the happy image of the nuclear family walking hand in hand - yeesh these people are so apple-pie hokey that I wanna puke!

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21. Comment #123070 by home8896 on February 6, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Wow, I expected Chris Hansen to show up any minute with the tone of voice and the spooky music.

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22. Comment #123072 by Kevin_Scales on February 6, 2008 at 12:28 pm

College students don't lose their faith because of attacks by their professors, they lose it because they are able to see that there are other ways to look at the world. Most students just find alternatives to the self contradictory ridiculousness of Christianity.

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23. Comment #123078 by Deepthought on February 6, 2008 at 12:34 pm

I like how they come right out and say "use child indoctrination or else christianity is going to fall". Well, they cloak it in fluffy language but that is the message.

The lumping of relgions isn't that hard to do. The same type of faith that is found in evangelical christianity is also found in Islam.

"Atheism is the fastest growing secular religion"
ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION!!! (Sorry about the capitals, I'm rather annoyed with these people)

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24. Comment #123087 by mkcarbs on February 6, 2008 at 12:51 pm

It seems to me that there is really only one book from the other side that one TRULY needs to read in order to figure out religion is bunk.

But with that comes a problem...you see, most rational people that take up the challenge of reading the bible immediately pick out the things which are so very very wrong.

So forgive me in the fact that I find it a waste of time to read material in which the only evidence is mythology and folklore.

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25. Comment #123089 by knutsondc on February 6, 2008 at 12:54 pm

It is too bad that the alleged "good reasons" to believe in Christianity aren't mentioned in the video, but I can't fault its producers for that. After all, this was a video directed towards believers, not apologetics intended for a skeptical audience. Although the tone of the piece was okay, I'm really getting tired of the false, misleading charge that Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, Dennett, et al., are angry without cause and intolerant of people rather than their ideas.

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26. Comment #123092 by bluebird on February 6, 2008 at 12:55 pm

I've seen this video (or something very similar) recently. Ugh, time to swig another dose of Pepto Bismol.

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27. Comment #123098 by pulsar1z on February 6, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Not one Christian or Muslim, Jew or any other, can scientifically prove the existence of God. There just isn't a shred of evidence.

There proof is a 2000 year old philosophy, Visions, Unexplained Miracles, Voices from space and distortions of science.

I don't think this sounds harsh its only the truth as I see It.

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28. Comment #123101 by Mental Slavery on February 6, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Points made in the video about Athesits:

1) This crazy "movement" is being published and supported!
2)People aren't ashamed anymore about admitting openly that they believe this.
3) People of higher authority (adults) are taking advantage of young impressionable minds.
4)They will ATTACK people who believe in something different with "VIOLENCE" that is unprecedented.
5)How can they be so intollerant?
6)We actually have "Good, solid, SCIENTIFIC" reasons for believing what we believe.

Hmmmmmmmm.....don't these claims above all sound shockingly familiar? I can't seem to figure out if this is an argument for or against Atheism? How hypocritical are all of those assertions?!

I love how they can just take our arguments and then pretend like they just thought of them.

Nice try.

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29. Comment #123108 by Nick6742 on February 6, 2008 at 1:14 pm

I was hoping this would be about operation CoSplay.

A major battle against religion and irrationality taking place on the internet that should get some coverage here.

The actual video was utter tripe

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30. Comment #123111 by ClemIsMe on February 6, 2008 at 1:17 pm

Sorry, I can't get past the "Hi, I'm Troy McClure" announcer. It all sounds like a bit.

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31. Comment #123114 by Duff on February 6, 2008 at 1:19 pm

The proofs!! The proofs!! We want to see the proofs!! And we want to see them now!! It's time to publish the proofs of religion! No more talk. Right now!

Maybe if the millions of atheists in the world would adopt that mantra we could embarrass the lame ones and they would stop making such claims.

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32. Comment #123126 by 82abhilash on February 6, 2008 at 1:30 pm

I found the same video with comments enabled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWn_dNtjVU4

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33. Comment #123135 by Glacian on February 6, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Ravi Zacharias: "It is only the Judeo-Christian worldview that gives the possibility of all of these worldviews free access to the marketplace"

...Yes, free inquiry, speech, and thought are only possible within the framework of a Christian worldview. What the hell universe do these people live in? Since when did Christianity become the "system" that allows us to express our own personal thoughts? Has this idiot even considered the very FIRST commandment? One glance at the Bible completely counters this idiots claims and seriously tarnishes his credibility. What imbecilic rubbish.

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34. Comment #123138 by perkyjay on February 6, 2008 at 1:53 pm

Crich83: I agree with you that the story of the fellow-traveller appears to have been a fabrication. Pretty well all the atheists that I have known in a fairly lengthy life,(I'm now in my 80th year), have experienced religion at first hand, thereby doing away with the need to read about it.

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35. Comment #123143 by jimmm33 on February 6, 2008 at 2:01 pm

I smell desperation.

It's encouraging that 75% of college students are losing their faith.

Also I second Glacian's comment in #36. I thought the same thing.

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36. Comment #123147 by toddaa on February 6, 2008 at 2:05 pm

Dan Brown?

Anybody else catch that?

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37. Comment #123152 by HourglassMemory on February 6, 2008 at 2:12 pm

"75% of our students are loosing their faith in college"
Great! And coming from the mouth of a religious person, that's gotta mean something!!!!

"And ultimately, as History proves, the Truth will prevail."
Thank god!

"The Christian Faith is an anvil tha thas been wearing out hammers for two thousand years. it's gonna take more than Richard Dawkins and Sam harris to unravel the faith."
and with an ever growing number of people who realise that what you give them is *****, it's like a hammer that grows everytime it hits your 'anvil'.
Yes, just wait 'till it gets presented to an ever growing hammer called "Truth Aquired by Scientific Inquiry". Which only now is it starting to get hit by. I'm already seeing it deform!!!!

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38. Comment #123154 by FreeThink25 on February 6, 2008 at 2:15 pm

I love how they mention the "glaring flaws" in atheism....and then fail to mention them.

This is typical of Christian response to rational argument. An anecdote. "Well, I met a professor, and he was embarrassed, blah blah blah"

The anecdote is their only weapon. That's ALL Dinesh D'Souza seems to rely on...Ravi Zacharias...etc, etc

How pathetic to have to rely on anecdote....

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39. Comment #123158 by Gymnopedie on February 6, 2008 at 2:18 pm

Since just about everything in the video is a blathering lie, why should we believe their statistic that 75% of college students are atheists? Besides from being a fluff statistic with no provided citation, what do they think an atheist is? I have a sneaking suspicion it is any non-religious person, anyone not Christian enough for their tastes, and atheists. This is pure speculation, of course, but I doubt that statistic is true.

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40. Comment #123160 by Quetzalcoatl on February 6, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Highlight-

Alastair McGrath described as providing a "good, solid, rational, academic perspective"- pah!

I also like the way the guy lumped Dawkins and Harris in with Dan Brown! Does he even think before he speaks?

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41. Comment #123164 by HourglassMemory on February 6, 2008 at 2:29 pm

I wonder if he mistook him for Dan BARKER.

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42. Comment #123165 by Quetzalcoatl on February 6, 2008 at 2:30 pm

Or Dan Dennett.

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43. Comment #123173 by notsobad on February 6, 2008 at 2:35 pm

I like how they come right out and say "use child indoctrination or else christianity is going to fall".

Important point to be remembered.

Anyway, here is the Colbert Report: Sam Harris video from the clip.

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44. Comment #123180 by Mango on February 6, 2008 at 2:48 pm

The guy towards the end is right -- there ARE very good reasons why American Christians believe what they believe. It has to do with memes, cultural diffusion, inculcation, and so on. Black Americans who are Christians also have a very good reason -- they adopted the religion of their oppressors. Should they then teach their children that to steel their minds against atheism?

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45. Comment #123183 by JuxtaMonkey on February 6, 2008 at 2:54 pm

"75% of our young people, and by our young people I mean evangelical churches, according to ??? survey are losing their faith in college. 75% of them.

So what you are saying, in essence, is that when people get an education or become smarter, even "Bright"er, they give up the "delusion" they ignorantly held clung to before...before their...enlightenment?

There are good, solid, historical, scientific reasons for us to believe what we believe

I'm still just hearing you tell me you have these things...what are they? There are good, solid, historical, scientific reasons for us to believe what we believe!...and still they keep talking

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46. Comment #123184 by arwelroberts on February 6, 2008 at 2:58 pm

Pastor John Turner, President of Faith 2.0 Ministries -

"I question things all the time, that's my job - I'm a professional christian for crying out loud !"

"Alistair McGrath - a good, solid, rational accademic,............"

This man needs a reality check - soon.

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47. Comment #123187 by MaxD on February 6, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Wow. That is 8 minutes I will never get back.
Talk about disingenuous.

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48. Comment #123191 by monoape on February 6, 2008 at 3:04 pm

You gotta love the opening. No longer is it just really clever people, hiding in dark, evil science centres who are atheists - the unwashed masses are also at it. Hilarious.

One can only hope this isn't the usual Xtian, 'Chicken Little' hysteria and that atheism really "is on the march". However, 75% of students losing their faith? That smells a little like FUD. Where did they get such an accurate measure?

If it is FUD, and they're hoping to scare all the good Jesus Gang to act, it could have the opposite effect and get them all *thinking* about why so many people who are "gettin' the lurnin' of that evil knowledge" are leaving their death cult in droves.

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49. Comment #123215 by Slyer on February 6, 2008 at 4:02 pm

"Well if what I believe can't stand a few rudimentary questions, then it's not worth believing"
Totally agree, now stop letting faith get in the way of your rationality.

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50. Comment #123217 by Alkal on February 6, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Dan Brown= Richard Dawkins,, aah the intelligent well-informed theists...

and Faith is getting unravelled..
"young people learn it in college, it is badd" they are sooo scared aren't they?

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