Expelled OverviewExpelled Exposed is a new National Center for Science Education website that counters the Ben Stein/Premise Media anti-evolution movie, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. It is available at www.expelledexposed.com. Currently in a preliminary stage, Expelled Exposed consists of a collection of links containing the most basic and important resources for teachers, scientists, reporters, and members of the public who seek information now to respond to this movie. On April 16, days before the movie Expelled is premiered on April 18, NCSE will launch the full version of the website. In its final form, Expelled Exposed will examine claims made in the movie and explain, neatly and concisely, why each is an exaggeration, a misrepresentation, or a fabrication. NCSE encourages all interested parties to bookmark the site, and pass the link on to friends and family, so that by the time the creationist movie is released, www.expelledexposed.com will be the most popular Expelled site on the internet!
My take on Mathis is that he's an opportunist. He says and does whatever he thinks necessary to get his film made and now promoted. My guess on the latest flap about tossing PZ out of the screening but not Dawkins was PZ's original assumption that they just didn't notice Dawkins there, and only after the fact rationalizing the whole affair with plausible (and ever changing) reasons.
For my part, the moment I sat down with Stein (with Mathis there) and he asked me that question about firing people for expressing dissenting views a dozen times, I realized that I was being manipulated to give certain answers they were looking for me to give. I asked them both, several times, if they had anything else to ask me about evolutionary theory or Intelligent Design. In frustration I finally said something like "Do you have any other questions to ask me or do you keep asking me this question in hopes that I'll give a different answer?"
That's when Stein finally changed the subject and asked about social Darwinism. We got into a lengthy discussion about Adam Smith, which he seemed surprised to learn that I seemed to know more about the great economist than he did! For example, he didn't seem to even realize that Smith's first book was "The Theory of Moral Sentiments", and that Smith didn't trust businessmen any more than he trusted government bureaucrats, and that we need a mix of enlightened self-interest and strictly enforced rules of trade. But as I noted in my review of the film for Scientific American, Stein was especially displeased with my linkage of Smith and Darwin, that Darwin read Smith as an undergraduate at Edinburgh, etc. I also pointed out to him that Darwin has been used and abused by ideologues of all stripes, and that in any case that is all separate from whether the science is good or not. That seemed to tax his thinking too much, because shortly after he announced that he had to take a rest break and he just got up and went out to his car for about 20 minutes! Seriously, he just went out to the street next to our office and sat in the rent car they had! I couldn't believe it. We had only been going for about 30 minutes and he was tired? And this was in the late morning. I joked with Mathis that, this being Hollywood and all, I wondered if Stein was out doing a line of cocaine.... Mathis assured me that Stein doesn't do drugs, but I found the whole thing to be quite odd. Then Stein came back in and that's when we walked around the office with the handheld camera to get some B-Roll footage, and they showed him asking me about my books, and that's where I told him I thought ID was much closer to pseudoscience than science. Then he asked me AGAIN if I thought people should be fired....
The whole experience was a bit surreal, and I found Stein to be a somewhat disagreeable man. He tried to come off like he was a star and that I should have been star-struck, and when I wasn't that seemed to get under his skin a bit. For example, when he came back into the office from resting in his car, I said something like "gentlemen, I've got work to do so I'd like to wrap this thing up now," he looked at me like "hey, don't you realize who I am and that you should be grateful to be talking to me?" I let him off the hook a bit in my review about his questionable comment about blacks, but I suspect he has some racist tendencies.
2. Comment #149420 by NormanDoering on March 25, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Philosopher Michael Ruse mentions the theory that organic life piggybacked on crystalline structures ... Stein takes the opportunity to ridicule the idea: "CRYSTALS!? On the backs of CRYSTALS!?" The film cuts to B&W video of creepy fortunetellers hunching over crystal balls. Stein's only desire is to oversimplify the theory and make fun of it.
3. Comment #149421 by obscured by clouds on March 25, 2008 at 3:30 pm
4. Comment #149422 by AtheistJon on March 25, 2008 at 3:30 pm
5. Comment #149425 by Elli on March 25, 2008 at 3:34 pm
6. Comment #149428 by Steve Zara on March 25, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Maybe The Killers don't know about this, and someone should tell them?
From what I know of The Killers (a great band!) they are very unlikely to be happy with this use of their music.
7. Comment #149429 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 3:39 pm
"CRYSTALS!? On the backs of CRYSTALS!?" The film cuts to B&W video of creepy fortunetellers hunching over crystal balls.Oh man.
Stein says something like "I thought science was decided by evidence, not the courts."Oh man.
You'd have to be pretty stupid to think that Panspermia is the same as a 1950's flying saucer movie, but once again, Stein and Mathis know their audience.Oh man.
Eugenics is mentioned as an "extension" of DarwinismOh man.
Stein says it's time to confront the head of the Evolutionists, Richard Dawkins.Oh man.
Stein says something like "I can't go up against Big Science all by myself!" over images of what looked like Nazi tanks and troops protecting a building, driving home the alleged connection between scientists and Nazis.Oy.
8. Comment #149430 by Devolution on March 25, 2008 at 3:40 pm
9. Comment #149431 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on March 25, 2008 at 3:42 pm
10. Comment #149432 by RSP on March 25, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I'm constantly amused at how religious groups try so hard to emulate popular culture in order to get their ideas across. They do it so badly, and it sounds like this is another example. A crummy mimic of the humorous, documentary methods popularized by Michael Moore, the Daily Show, Colbert, and P T Bullshit. Of course, as I understand it, the aforementioned don't need to lie to the people they interview.11. Comment #149438 by Quine on March 25, 2008 at 3:51 pm
12. Comment #149440 by GodRemixed on March 25, 2008 at 3:53 pm
13. Comment #149442 by Olliedog on March 25, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Crystals!?
They interview someone else about evolution, who mentions that science doesn't know how life began. So the film shifts to discussing the origin of life on earth. Philosopher Michael Ruse mentions the theory that organic life piggybacked on crystalline structures (Richard writes more about this in his review). Stein takes the opportunity to ridicule the idea: "Crystals!? On the backs of CRYSTALS!?" The film cuts to B&W video of creepy fortunetellers hunching over crystal balls. Stein's only desire is to oversimplify the theory and make fun of it.
14. Comment #149443 by Animavore on March 25, 2008 at 3:53 pm
15. Comment #149444 by mdowe on March 25, 2008 at 3:54 pm
16. Comment #149446 by Double Bass Atheist on March 25, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Do not financially support this movie, get the word out. Their biblical world view has no meaning in reality, and that starts with money.
17. Comment #149452 by Diacanu on March 25, 2008 at 4:05 pm
18. Comment #149460 by Duff on March 25, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Folks, I'm only going to tell you this once. Never, Never Never believe anything a film crew tells you. I don't care whether they are from the Discovery Institute or any where else. They will do anything to get the shot. Believe me, I know!19. Comment #149462 by sarah95 on March 25, 2008 at 4:16 pm
20. Comment #149463 by Stephen Maxwell on March 25, 2008 at 4:17 pm
For example, when he came back into the office from resting in his car, I said something like "gentlemen, I've got work to do so I'd like to wrap this thing up now," he looked at me like "hey, don't you realize who I am and that you should be grateful to be talking to me?"
21. Comment #149464 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 4:20 pm
I liked it too. I imagine Stein's reaction: "Can you believe the arrogance of that Shermer guy?!"For example, when he came back into the office from resting in his car, I said something like "gentlemen, I've got work to do so I'd like to wrap this thing up now," he looked at me like "hey, don't you realize who I am and that you should be grateful to be talking to me?"Oh man, that is awesome!
22. Comment #149466 by EKinateder on March 25, 2008 at 4:23 pm
23. Comment #149467 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Thanks for the point-by-point. I think I'll forward the expelled exposed link to my old high school biology teacher. She's gonna have to fight a battle when hordes of her students bring it up in class.It's time consuming, cleaning up after this nonsense.
24. Comment #149469 by chuckgoecke on March 25, 2008 at 4:36 pm
25. Comment #149470 by Chris H. on March 25, 2008 at 4:37 pm
I have a feeling this will be a cult hit, in the same way Reefer Madness is right now. However, instead of college kids it will be AP Biology students.26. Comment #149471 by tman on March 25, 2008 at 4:38 pm
27. Comment #149472 by DamnDirtyApe on March 25, 2008 at 4:43 pm
These guys are the stupidest bunch of stupid jerks that ever were jerked out of jerktown.28. Comment #149473 by Elles on March 25, 2008 at 4:47 pm
29. Comment #149474 by helical4 on March 25, 2008 at 4:57 pm
30. Comment #149476 by rthille on March 25, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I might go see it, but I'd never buy a ticket for it. I'd buy a ticket for another movie in the same theater starting at a similar time, if I'm lucky, one to which I'd like to give money.31. Comment #149477 by Prom_STar on March 25, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Good review. I have to say, the Holocaust part bothers me the most. It's not just a non sequitur, it's exploiting a tragedy like it's a stepping stool. I'm reminded of this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXsVKbHY_T0). Stein's bit sounds like the exact opposite.32. Comment #149478 by wagnerfilm on March 25, 2008 at 5:11 pm
33. Comment #149479 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Thank you, Josh, for such a blow-by-blow account post-viewing. Almost sorry you had to see it, you poor fucker.34. Comment #149481 by markg on March 25, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Thanks Josh!35. Comment #149483 by adonais on March 25, 2008 at 5:34 pm
36. Comment #149484 by maton100 on March 25, 2008 at 5:34 pm
37. Comment #149485 by MIDVALCRE on March 25, 2008 at 5:38 pm
nice job Josh. Great summary of it. Still kinda want to see it so I can boooo during it at the times of inaccuaracy. Damn, tough call. $ or missed chances to voice my disgust? hmmmmmmm...38. Comment #149488 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Not only will I not go to see this piece of crap. (I'm not evenly slightly interested.) I will only watch it when someone ties me down to a chair and forces my eyes to remain open, while the film plays in front of me as in the move, "A Clockwork Orange."
Thanks Josh, that tells me everything I wanted to know about the film, I feel no need to sponsor the maker of this kind of humbug.
39. Comment #149489 by MelM on March 25, 2008 at 5:57 pm
The Dawkins interview looks like a disaster. Was there no way to find out ahead of time just who was involved in this film? It's starting to look like Dawkins needs to run some sort of background check on people wanting him to participate in projects; creationists would hardly want him involved if they came out looking bad instead of him. If one can't confirm that it's a valid project, don't do it.40. Comment #149490 by Frankus1122 on March 25, 2008 at 6:00 pm
But I do give very many more hoots about permitting as global and public a crushing and decimation of creationist/ID irrationality as possible, which will ensue following this - I would argue - welcome crystallization of ID bullshit.
The more who see it, the more the fucking merrier.
41. Comment #149491 by markg on March 25, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Comment by Styrer:For fuck's sake, people - see it for yourselves before you endorse another viewer's opinion of it (no matter how highly you respect said viewer's opinion).
42. Comment #149493 by rufustfirefly on March 25, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Maybe 1000 movie screens means 1000 of those old pull up screens set up in church basements.43. Comment #149495 by SPS on March 25, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Very informative! Thanks, Josh!44. Comment #149497 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 6:27 pm
41. Comment #149491 by markg on March 25, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Come on Styrer, where's your "bloody" sense of humor? I won't spend a dime on this movie, or waste my time. I'm sure I can wait for my local 24 hr religious-wacknut TV station, which constantly shows creationist propaganda including Ken Ham and other IDiots. Then if it's my last day on earth and it happens to be on TV, maybe I'll watch it. Or maybe a copy will fall off the garbage truck on the way to the landfill. Who knows?
Best,
markg
45. Comment #149499 by adonais on March 25, 2008 at 6:35 pm
For fuck's sake, people - see it for yourselves before you endorse another viewer's opinion of it (no matter how highly you respect said viewer's opinion).
46. Comment #149500 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 6:42 pm
40. Comment #149490 by Frankus1122 on March 25, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Yes and no.
I would love intelligent people to see this film and realize the thinness of the ID position. However, I don't know how many people would be able to see through the veil of poorly constructed distortions. Look at how many people in the USA believe in a 'young earth' already. I don't think they are prepared to look at ANYTHING critically. People generally believe what they are told.
Perhaps a strong movie in the opposite direction would be better.
47. Comment #149501 by markg on March 25, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Styrer:confirms to me that you should watch the fucking thing yourself, at the earliest.
pathetic, lily-livered reaction to that which requires urgent and robust denunciation now.
48. Comment #149503 by chuckgoecke on March 25, 2008 at 6:55 pm
49. Comment #149504 by Styrer- on March 25, 2008 at 7:03 pm
No special treatment.
50. Comment #149505 by Dr Benway on March 25, 2008 at 7:06 pm
But I do give very many more hoots about permitting as global and public a crushing and decimation of creationist/ID irrationality as possible, which will ensue following this - I would argue - welcome crystallization of ID bullshit.Haha u funny guy.
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