16% of US science teachers are creationists2. Comment #182574 by FightingFalcon on May 20, 2008 at 2:44 pm
US courts have repeatedly decreed that creationism and intelligent design are religion, not science, and have no place in school science classrooms. But no matter what courts and school boards decree, it is up to teachers to put the curriculum into practice.
3. Comment #182576 by Monty Burns on May 20, 2008 at 2:48 pm
"16% of US science teachers are creationists"4. Comment #182579 by EvidenceOnly on May 20, 2008 at 2:57 pm
We need a new survey about math as well:5. Comment #182590 by Bruno on May 20, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I guess this is why statistics like these (below) really shouldn't surprise us:6. Comment #182607 by Grantaire of JC on May 20, 2008 at 4:02 pm
First of all, where did these 2000 teacher surveys come from? All public schools? Private schools? A random average of schools scattered from all over the United States? Of course there were 16% who chose to delicately use their influence and shape the curriculum in their favor. They personally did not believe the evolution was the answer and so taught the class giving it the briefest cover. Did the teachers feel that a counter proposal was necessary? If you were a teacher and you were religious, how enthusiastic would you be teaching evolution when you've put your soul (and eternity) on there being a "divine" purpose? Wouldn't you feel that you were damning your students by taking god out of the picture? I am actually glad that the number is only 16% and I hope it drops as time goes on.7. Comment #182614 by Mango on May 20, 2008 at 4:20 pm
8. Comment #182628 by WilliamP on May 20, 2008 at 5:08 pm
This means that at least 16% of US science teachers are complete morons.9. Comment #182631 by Big City on May 20, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Are they clustered in certain states/regions?This was in rural Georgia, and I know he would never receive any sort of resistance from the community, even if he treated the classroom like a church.
10. Comment #182642 by GordonYKWong on May 20, 2008 at 5:53 pm
11. Comment #182652 by heafnerj on May 20, 2008 at 6:44 pm
12. Comment #182655 by AoClay on May 20, 2008 at 6:59 pm
13. Comment #182656 by moderndaythomas on May 20, 2008 at 7:04 pm
says Linda Froschauer, past president of the National Science Teachers Association based in Arlington, Virginia. "We do know there's a problem out there, and this gives more credibility to the issue."
Berkman, who notes that requiring all science teachers to take a course in evolutionary biology could have a big impact on the teaching of evolution in the schools.
14. Comment #182659 by moderndaythomas on May 20, 2008 at 7:18 pm
I've met quite a few theistic evolution believing biology teachers. Even they are quite scary just because they tend to twist language (putting the cart before the horse, etc.)
15. Comment #182664 by ksskidude on May 20, 2008 at 7:51 pm
16. Comment #182674 by Zoron on May 20, 2008 at 8:30 pm
17. Comment #182683 by quantum_mechanik on May 20, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Doesn't really state whether they're public school teachers or private school teachers. If it includes private school teachers, this statistic isn't that interesting--Probably follows in line with the teaching philosophies of their institutions.18. Comment #182684 by dragonfirematrix on May 20, 2008 at 9:12 pm
19. Comment #182685 by Zoron on May 20, 2008 at 9:13 pm
20. Comment #182686 by 7Fred7 on May 20, 2008 at 9:14 pm
It seems incredible that such senseless anti-scientific ignorance isn't filtered out in the selection of teachers. 1 in 6 'Not shocking'? It is to me.21. Comment #182687 by quantum_mechanik on May 20, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Zoron: Yes, in USA private schools can teach whatever they please. Religious institutions can teach ID, creationism, whatever they feel is important.22. Comment #182703 by 82abhilash on May 20, 2008 at 10:08 pm
While it is true that private schools in USA can teach anything they want, I am pretty sure that if the US schooling system was fully privatized, there would be very less creationism taught in schools. Why? Because schools that try to pass it off as real science will not get enough students to stay in business. Kids that go to those schools will not get a career as scientists. They will be left behind the same way illiterates are left behind in a civilized society.23. Comment #182710 by mordacious1 on May 20, 2008 at 10:26 pm
24. Comment #182722 by William Wallace on May 20, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Well, you all should see how my son's first grade teacher created her own science warning label that stated "People who don't believe in the true God and creation make up these stories about our world. Christians believe in the true Creation".25. Comment #182745 by Szkeptik on May 20, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I actually thought it would be higher. Not like this figure makes me satisfied, but that at least means that not all science teachers in the Bible Belt are creos.26. Comment #182746 by Raiko on May 20, 2008 at 11:32 pm
27. Comment #182789 by Logicel on May 21, 2008 at 1:17 am
28. Comment #182792 by V'Ger on May 21, 2008 at 1:20 am
29. Comment #182805 by HitbLade on May 21, 2008 at 2:00 am
Would you want a creationist to be your teacher? even if said creationist didn't teach creationism?30. Comment #182826 by V'Ger on May 21, 2008 at 2:49 am
31. Comment #182900 by muhammads_horse on May 21, 2008 at 5:31 am
I don't know how it works over there in the States, but isn't the obvious solution to increase the presence of evolution in exams? If an in-depth, working knowledge of evolutionary theory was a heavy part of the SAT's, schools with students constantly pushing out low science results could be indentified and sorted out.32. Comment #182977 by Border Collie on May 21, 2008 at 7:08 am
33. Comment #182998 by GodMyArse on May 21, 2008 at 7:50 am
Just can't get over the fact that these 'teachers' see their jobs as imparting their opinion to the children rather than the actual syllabus. How is this even possible? And yes, if disciplinary action was to be taken against these law-breakers the well-funded religious supporters would cry persecution of religion, whereas there are documented cases of it happening the other way round and nothing is done to support the victim. They are winning ground on this issue by lies, intimidation, perversion of freedom laws and down-right dirty tricks. Is it really as bad in the US as it looks from over the pond? If so it scares me.34. Comment #183007 by liberalartist on May 21, 2008 at 8:10 am
35. Comment #183053 by arogop on May 21, 2008 at 9:43 am
The GOP (Christian right) promotes the Neanderthal religious beliefs of Christians. That is why Ameirca cannot advance anymore.
36. Comment #183068 by quantum_mechanik on May 21, 2008 at 10:25 am
Wow. This is interesting.37. Comment #183241 by AoClay on May 21, 2008 at 3:18 pm
38. Comment #183414 by notsobad on May 22, 2008 at 4:44 am
39. Comment #183595 by Nova on May 22, 2008 at 10:19 am
Bob Holmes:The researchers polled a random sample of nearly 2000 high-school science teachers across the US in 2007. Of the 939 who respondedNot technically a fair survey. It could be biased by the fact that people of a certain view respond more often - so, for example, it might be that only 8% of biology teachers would turn out to be YECs if the other roughly 1000 that didn't respond all accepted evolution, it could be that YEC biology teachers jump at the chance to slap their wacky beliefs onto a poll but that many of the evolution accepting ones think of it with more apathy and can't be bothered to respond.
40. Comment #183674 by whupper on May 22, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Did all of the teachers tell the truth in this survey? Wouldn't some of them say they didn't teach creationism when they actually did? After all, they'd have to be admitting they broke the law. So perhaps the real number is higher than 16%.41. Comment #183742 by quantum_mechanik on May 22, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Notsobad: "You can't be a science teacher and a creationist. They obviously don't understand science." You obviously don't understand logic. Also, let's back away from Christianity and notice how many of you are calling for the necessary expulsion of all Jewish and Moslem teachers, regardless of whatever they put in their classrooms.42. Comment #183744 by notsobad on May 22, 2008 at 5:12 pm
43. Comment #183760 by Goldy on May 22, 2008 at 6:15 pm
V'ger: "I wouldn't want my kids taught by a creationist because I equate that viewpoint with a lack of intelligence." to paraphrase. Sounds similar to "I wouldn't want my kids taught by negros because they just aren't as smart." or "I wouldn't want my kids taught by gays because they, simply by existing, espouse a lifestyle I find immoral."
44. Comment #183773 by quantum_mechanik on May 22, 2008 at 7:34 pm
V'Ger--So, your problem isn't that the issues people have with blacks, Jews, gays, etc. are completely fabricated at worst and unrelated to the teaching profession entirely, but that it's "Not their choice"45. Comment #183774 by quantum_mechanik on May 22, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Notsobad: I can. It's called the "No true scotsman" fallacy. First of all, there are creationist science teachers. They exist. That's what they do. Secondly, the belief that creationists can't be science teachers is flawed because there's no reason someone cannot believe in G-d's creation of the universe and understand and impart scientific knowledge to pupils. "You can't be a TRUE science teacher if you believe this." Is the reply. See the Scotsman fallacy.46. Comment #183881 by Christopher Davis on May 23, 2008 at 5:08 am
47. Comment #183896 by irate_atheist on May 23, 2008 at 6:07 am
48. Comment #183904 by Styrer- on May 23, 2008 at 6:35 am
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