Texas Supreme Court rules church can't be sued in exorcism2. Comment #200727 by eellerto on June 28, 2008 at 7:09 am
3. Comment #200728 by Corona Dave on June 28, 2008 at 7:09 am
>How does freedom of speech allow you to hold down and torment a teenage girl??4. Comment #200735 by Mike O'Risal on June 28, 2008 at 7:23 am
5. Comment #200737 by PaulJ on June 28, 2008 at 7:25 am
Church members thought she was in distress and held her down in a "spread eagle" position with youth members holding down her arms and legs.That doesn't sound like action likely to alleviate distress.
"Freedom to believe may be absolute, but freedom of conduct is not, and 'conduct even under a religious guise remains subject to regulation for public safety,' " Medina wrote.Just because "there wasn't any evil intent" doesn't, to my mind, let them off the hook. They clearly did damage, and should be held accountable for it. Saying you're sorry, but you were trying to help, doesn't absolve you from responsibility for the consequences of your actions.
Pruessner, the church's attorney, agreed, saying that church members were simply trying to help Schubert and that there wasn't any evil intent.
"This was clearly a religious controversy, and I don't see how anyone can argue that they were seizing on religion as a get-out-of-jail-free card," Pruessner said. "I disagree vehemently with the spiritual beliefs of the church and how they handled it; it doesn't mean they are legally liable."
6. Comment #200744 by EvidenceOnly on June 28, 2008 at 7:31 am
Freedom to believe also implies freedom to NOT believe.7. Comment #200752 by TeraBrat on June 28, 2008 at 7:50 am
I'm stunned. I hope this goes to the federal supreme court.8. Comment #200760 by mordacious1 on June 28, 2008 at 7:59 am
9. Comment #200770 by moderndaythomas on June 28, 2008 at 8:14 am
10. Comment #200775 by heafnerj on June 28, 2008 at 8:22 am
11. Comment #200778 by TeraBrat on June 28, 2008 at 8:24 am
As long as it's stopped. This is not justice!12. Comment #200806 by Lev-CapeTown on June 28, 2008 at 8:58 am
13. Comment #200840 by MikedubB on June 28, 2008 at 10:07 am
14. Comment #200854 by PristinePanda on June 28, 2008 at 10:41 am
15. Comment #200883 by Border Collie on June 28, 2008 at 11:43 am
16. Comment #200911 by AmericanGodless on June 28, 2008 at 1:00 pm
17. Comment #200974 by qomak on June 28, 2008 at 4:50 pm
For the court to impose any legal liability for engaging in a religious activity "to which the church members adhere would have an unconstitutional 'chilling effect' by compelling the church to abandon core principles of its religious beliefs," Medina wrote.
18. Comment #200978 by k1mgy on June 28, 2008 at 5:10 pm
19. Comment #200999 by chuckgoecke on June 28, 2008 at 5:47 pm
20. Comment #201043 by jo5ef on June 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm
"On Friday evening, during preparations for a youth group garage sale, the atmosphere became "spiritually charged" when another youth said he saw a demon. Under direction of the youth minister, the youth frantically anointed everything in the church with holy oil until, at 4:30 a.m. Saturday, the minister told the exhausted youth that they had finally been successful."21. Comment #201057 by flistr8 on June 28, 2008 at 10:12 pm
22. Comment #201075 by stephenray on June 29, 2008 at 12:22 am
Hey, good call.23. Comment #201146 by forksmuggler on June 29, 2008 at 7:14 am
24. Comment #201150 by forksmuggler on June 29, 2008 at 7:20 am
25. Comment #201191 by 82abhilash on June 29, 2008 at 11:55 am
How about prosecuting individuals instead of prosecuting institutions. Institutions do not commit crimes people do. Some Institutions may be more agreeable to people with criminal tendencies but those too are created by people.26. Comment #201248 by ChicagoMolly on June 29, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Mike O Risal said:... what the court has done is effectively made churches in Texas a legal entity above normal law. They now have the right to hold people against their will for indefinite periods, inflict corporal abuse and punishments, and generally to force American citizens to accept any sort of religious ritual " no matter how barbaric" if they happen to be in a church in Texas.
27. Comment #201621 by action bastard on June 30, 2008 at 12:27 am
The real problem here is the fact that Texas elects their judges. Republican judges get campaign financing from conservative groups. Some candidates are not really qualified for state supreme court. When justice is for sale it skews the judiciary checks and balances.28. Comment #201629 by Roel on June 30, 2008 at 12:44 am
Many people fail to see that freedom of religion is a personal right. It allows you to practice your religion the way you want, but explicitly not to impose it to others. Not even if the other is a member of the same church as you are.
1. Comment #200721 by SomeDanGuy on June 28, 2008 at 7:01 am
I can psychology abuse and scar youths if I say it's part of my religion? Good to know, Texas.How does freedom of speech allow you to hold down and torment a teenage girl??
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