The Return of Religion2. Comment #211748 by Funnyguts on July 16, 2008 at 9:33 am
The first part appears to be the "they're not talking about MY god" thing.3. Comment #211752 by The Schuermannator on July 16, 2008 at 9:36 am
4. Comment #211757 by mark8 on July 16, 2008 at 9:40 am
5. Comment #211759 by b0ltzm0n on July 16, 2008 at 9:40 am
God has fled, but he is not dead. He is biding his time, waiting for us to make room for him.
6. Comment #211761 by jimbob on July 16, 2008 at 9:41 am
Strident? Keep telling the same porky pie and hope it will stick!7. Comment #211763 by Shaden on July 16, 2008 at 9:42 am
There are two reasons why people start shouting at their opponents: one is that they think the opponent is so strong that every weapon must be used against him; the other is that they think their own case so weak that it has to be fortified by noise.
Both these motives can be observed in the evangelical atheists.
8. Comment #211789 by rod-the-farmer on July 16, 2008 at 9:55 am
Yet I do not know a religious person among my friends and acquaintances who does deny that picture.....(The mystery that confronts us as we gaze upwards at the Milky Way) or who regards it as posing the remotest difficulty for his faith.
The evangelical atheists are subliminally aware that their abdication in the face of science does not make the universe more intelligible, nor does it provide an alternative answer to our metaphysical enquiries. It simply brings enquiry to a stop.
9. Comment #211793 by F_A_F on July 16, 2008 at 9:56 am
Hmm, the second paragraph is very misleading. I dislike it when a religious "opponent" believes that dogma and unprovable assertions are the answer to my question, and blankly refuse to even consider that their beliefs are incorrect. But please don't mistake that anger for 'shouting'.10. Comment #211802 by robotaholic on July 16, 2008 at 10:03 am
The violence of the diatribes uttered by these evangelical atheists is indeed remarkable.
they think their own case so weak that it has to be fortified by noise
11. Comment #211804 by Apathy personified on July 16, 2008 at 10:05 am
12. Comment #211805 by Verylee on July 16, 2008 at 10:06 am
13. Comment #211808 by matlot on July 16, 2008 at 10:06 am
I tend to disagree with just about everything Scruton says. But this makes him a vital philosopher. Contrary opinions must be encouraged and engaged with. Scruton performs this function admirably (fox hunting anyone?). J.S. Mill described the importance of allowing 'unorthodox' views. It is as vital to heed Scruton's words as it is vital to point out that most of them are bullshit.14. Comment #211812 by designsoda on July 16, 2008 at 10:13 am
The violence of the diatribes uttered by these evangelical atheists is indeed remarkable
15. Comment #211815 by AdrianB on July 16, 2008 at 10:16 am
16. Comment #211816 by info_dump on July 16, 2008 at 10:16 am
17. Comment #211820 by David J on July 16, 2008 at 10:18 am
18. Comment #211821 by alexmzk on July 16, 2008 at 10:21 am
didn't read past the first couple of paragraphs. for the record, in all the debates i've watched, all the tv programs i've seen, all the talks i've been to, i have never once heard Dennett or Dawkins raise their voices. i don't know enough about Harris or Hitchens to say the same for them, but i suspect they too are less than violent.19. Comment #211825 by artificialhabitat on July 16, 2008 at 10:23 am
20. Comment #211827 by SASnSA on July 16, 2008 at 10:23 am
I'm still waiting for religion to release it's strangle-hold on the US, so I can be considered a citizen and a patriot again. It hasn't gone anywhere, in fact it seems to be reaching new highs in low.21. Comment #211829 by mordacious1 on July 16, 2008 at 10:26 am
22. Comment #211832 by Steve Zara on July 16, 2008 at 10:28 am
Comment #211747 by black wolf23. Comment #211837 by mordacious1 on July 16, 2008 at 10:30 am
24. Comment #211842 by bugaboo on July 16, 2008 at 10:35 am
There are two reasons why people start shouting at their opponents: one is that they think the opponent is so strong that every weapon must be used against him; the other is that they think their own case so weak that it has to be fortified by noise.
25. Comment #211858 by hobofabby on July 16, 2008 at 10:51 am
A friend of mine sent me this particular article because he found it to have good points about the human yearning for the transcendental. We have had a few arguments over the usefulness of religion and why he still values religion and Christian values even though he is largely secular. I would love to hear a point by point deconstruction of the basic premise of this article and if possible to try and ignore Mr. Scruton's ugly tone while focusing mainly on the argument and his distortions of atheism. I would like to keep a constructive conversation going with my friend. It would be very helpful to me thank you!26. Comment #211859 by black wolf on July 16, 2008 at 10:52 am
27. Comment #211878 by clodhopper on July 16, 2008 at 11:13 am
28. Comment #211888 by clodhopper on July 16, 2008 at 11:24 am
29. Comment #211890 by comet tail on July 16, 2008 at 11:25 am
30. Comment #211892 by emmet on July 16, 2008 at 11:25 am
31. Comment #211897 by Rising Ape on July 16, 2008 at 11:31 am
32. Comment #211903 by qomak on July 16, 2008 at 11:38 am
It is this mystery which brings people back to religion.
33. Comment #211908 by Apathy personified on July 16, 2008 at 11:42 am
it is very obvious that something is missing from their livesYes, a delusion of the mind called 'Religion' - that's why they are described as atheists. However, that's a good thing.
34. Comment #211913 by TIKI AL on July 16, 2008 at 11:46 am
While carefully Scrutonizing the article, I started singing, "It's a delusional day in Roger's neighborhood, a delusional day in Roger's neighborhood." (it just came came over me, you know, like when a godbot breaks into tongues)35. Comment #211916 by huzonfurst on July 16, 2008 at 11:48 am
Wow, what sheer crap. I hope that magazine gets a flood of protest mail - and prints it.36. Comment #211927 by Jack Rawlinson on July 16, 2008 at 11:58 am
37. Comment #211937 by GBile on July 16, 2008 at 12:06 pm
38. Comment #211940 by Quine on July 16, 2008 at 12:09 pm
39. Comment #211943 by irate_atheist on July 16, 2008 at 12:11 pm
40. Comment #211950 by mordacious1 on July 16, 2008 at 12:16 pm
41. Comment #211951 by thewhitepearl on July 16, 2008 at 12:17 pm
There are two reasons why people start shouting at their opponents
42. Comment #211953 by Apathy personified on July 16, 2008 at 12:18 pm
43. Comment #211955 by al-rawandi on July 16, 2008 at 12:20 pm
44. Comment #211958 by thewhitepearl on July 16, 2008 at 12:24 pm
45. Comment #211960 by epeeist on July 16, 2008 at 12:25 pm
46. Comment #211962 by Dhamma on July 16, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Pearl: Hitchens yes, plenty of time but hes just an ass so thats expected.
47. Comment #211964 by al-rawandi on July 16, 2008 at 12:32 pm
48. Comment #211966 by radiohead on July 16, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Very sloppy opinion piece indeed. This piece strikes me as the bastard child of Mcgrath and John Gray.49. Comment #211967 by Styrer- on July 16, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Putting Scruton's intellectually dishonest distortions and insults to one side for a mo, if his real point is that our collective need for the transcendental or the numinous is compromised by atheism, what on earth continues to convince him that theism satisfactorily answers it?50. Comment #211968 by clodhopper on July 16, 2008 at 12:34 pm
1. Comment #211747 by black wolf on July 16, 2008 at 9:31 am
I agree. Gapgod feelz gud, therefor iz tru.
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