Workers' Religious Freedom vs. Patients' Rights2. Comment #222410 by Mr0Joshua on July 31, 2008 at 12:19 pm
absolutely despicable! The idea that a health care provider should be able to put their own personal religious beliefs ahead of the well being or their patient is disgusting. Where does it end?3. Comment #222428 by J Mac on July 31, 2008 at 12:27 pm
4. Comment #222437 by Driver on July 31, 2008 at 12:33 pm
5. Comment #222438 by catskill on July 31, 2008 at 12:33 pm
6. Comment #222439 by Sargeist on July 31, 2008 at 12:33 pm
7. Comment #222447 by J Mac on July 31, 2008 at 12:37 pm
religious beliefs and ethical beliefs are strongly overlapping and correlated.
8. Comment #222450 by Ascaphus on July 31, 2008 at 12:41 pm
9. Comment #222461 by Ascaphus on July 31, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Medical professionals are responsible for their decisions whether they are christian, hindu, muslim, atheist, or pastafarian; no excuses.
10. Comment #222463 by J Mac on July 31, 2008 at 12:53 pm
11. Comment #222479 by Cartomancer on July 31, 2008 at 1:09 pm
12. Comment #222491 by Cartomancer on July 31, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Christensen and others said the regulations spell out legitimate differing views about what constitutes abortion and when life begins.No they don't, they provide carte blanche for recognising illegitimate views about what constitutes abortion. The only legitimate views are those backed up by evidence.
13. Comment #222493 by Don_Quix on July 31, 2008 at 1:20 pm
14. Comment #222496 by irate_atheist on July 31, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Richard S. Myers, a law professor at Ave Maria School of Law in Ann Arbor, Mich., said: "Religious freedom is an important part of the history of this country. People who have a religious or moral belief should not be forced to participate in an act they find abhorrent."Indeed not. They should fuck off and do a job commensurate with the level of wilful ignorance they show. Shovelling pig shit, for example.
15. Comment #222502 by macros_man on July 31, 2008 at 1:31 pm
16. Comment #222506 by Celandine on July 31, 2008 at 1:37 pm
It seems to me that if someone is unwilling to do the job they were hired to do - e.g. dispense a legally prescribed medication - they should lose their job. Really very simple. Then they don't have to act against their religious beliefs, and patients get the care they need.17. Comment #222508 by Ockham on July 31, 2008 at 1:39 pm
18. Comment #222513 by skyhook87 on July 31, 2008 at 1:43 pm
19. Comment #222514 by cam9976 on July 31, 2008 at 1:43 pm
20. Comment #222517 by contrarian on July 31, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Simple...21. Comment #222527 by Pattern Seeker on July 31, 2008 at 1:55 pm
22. Comment #222535 by ivellios on July 31, 2008 at 2:00 pm
I'm sorry but shouldn't this be covered under the HIPPA act? Also, under the "Your rights end where mine begin." If I'm paying for a service, you work for me and I'll take my business elsewhere.23. Comment #222570 by amalthea on July 31, 2008 at 2:40 pm
24. Comment #222591 by Kaitane on July 31, 2008 at 3:04 pm
i hope that the nearby outpatient clinic that ivellios was forced to go to wasn't too far away.25. Comment #222605 by rod-the-farmer on July 31, 2008 at 3:18 pm
26. Comment #222615 by earthling on July 31, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Here's the situation in Victoria, Australia (from an interview with an obstetrician who does perform abortions when the foetus is abnormal):27. Comment #222616 by skyhook87 on July 31, 2008 at 3:39 pm
28. Comment #222625 by Pattern Seeker on July 31, 2008 at 4:12 pm
29. Comment #222626 by BeyondBelief on July 31, 2008 at 4:13 pm
30. Comment #222630 by BeyondBelief on July 31, 2008 at 4:19 pm
31. Comment #222637 by ivellios on July 31, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Three words...It's...Her...Job.32. Comment #222640 by practicing atheis on July 31, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I agree with macros_man. i mean, that is the only compromise that i think is acceptable.33. Comment #222642 by J Mac on July 31, 2008 at 4:29 pm
34. Comment #222651 by ivellios on July 31, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Beyond Belief - 35. Comment #222656 by BeyondBelief on July 31, 2008 at 4:44 pm
36. Comment #222664 by WilliamP on July 31, 2008 at 5:04 pm
The bill claims to have the goal of stopping discrimination. Requiring all doctors to do the same work is not discrimination. What about Muslims and Jews who work as butchers and don't want to handle pork? Why not protect them too? Why protect only those with Christian beliefs about abortion? That's discrimination.37. Comment #222668 by J Mac on July 31, 2008 at 5:10 pm
38. Comment #222669 by TIKI AL on July 31, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Wouldn't refusing to sell condoms and boner pills qualify as a "hate crime"?39. Comment #222674 by J Mac on July 31, 2008 at 5:19 pm
boner pills
40. Comment #222682 by macros_man on July 31, 2008 at 5:29 pm
This is precisely why Macros_Man's "comprimise" [sic] won't/can't work. It requires more and more bureaucracy to monitor and punish bad human behavior, when much simpler measures can completely simplify the issue.
41. Comment #222683 by macros_man on July 31, 2008 at 5:36 pm
42. Comment #222716 by mordacious1 on July 31, 2008 at 7:00 pm
43. Comment #222720 by J Mac on July 31, 2008 at 7:18 pm
44. Comment #222724 by DuckPhup on July 31, 2008 at 7:33 pm
45. Comment #222740 by Christopher Davis on July 31, 2008 at 8:25 pm
46. Comment #222746 by theantitheist on July 31, 2008 at 8:37 pm
47. Comment #222787 by practicing atheis on July 31, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Beyond Belief,48. Comment #222792 by Crono454 on July 31, 2008 at 11:04 pm
If you can't do the job that's required of you, work somewhere else.49. Comment #222829 by Raiko on August 1, 2008 at 1:22 am
If you can't do the job that's required of you, work somewhere else.
50. Comment #222836 by Sargeist on August 1, 2008 at 1:37 am
1. Comment #222404 by J Mac on July 31, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Medical professionals face ethical dilemmas all the time. They cannot "opt out" of making decisions. While I empathize with their struggle to uphold their own integrity they shouldn't get a get out of jail free card.
I can respect the doctor who refuses to do a surgery because he feels it is unethical. But prior to this he would then likely be fired.
If christians want to be brave and stand up for what they believe in they will have to face the consequences of their decisions just like anyone else.
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