Letter from Sir Richard Roberts asking Reiss to step down2. Comment #247974 by neale on September 15, 2008 at 11:46 am
This is extremely worrying, just when you think we're making progress someone pops up with a mouthfull of nonsense. It's depressing enough to hear science students from religious backgrounds profess a greater knowledge when it comes to explainations of how life came to be, entirely another thing when the call for ignorance comes from the top.3. Comment #247975 by jaytee_555 on September 15, 2008 at 11:47 am
He's got to go.4. Comment #247977 by Raiko on September 15, 2008 at 11:48 am
5. Comment #247981 by notsobad on September 15, 2008 at 11:52 am
6. Comment #247982 by geehigh on September 15, 2008 at 11:55 am
7. Comment #247984 by larhule on September 15, 2008 at 11:57 am
8. Comment #247985 by geehigh on September 15, 2008 at 11:58 am
9. Comment #247986 by flying goose on September 15, 2008 at 11:59 am
10. Comment #247989 by thewhitepearl on September 15, 2008 at 12:06 pm
11. Comment #247990 by Verylee on September 15, 2008 at 12:06 pm
12. Comment #247991 by flying goose on September 15, 2008 at 12:07 pm
13. Comment #247992 by beanson on September 15, 2008 at 12:10 pm
14. Comment #247997 by my lord of misrule on September 15, 2008 at 12:18 pm
So the powerful elite of the RS are ganging up on their hapless employee. Who made a mistake, haven't they. Bunch of monotheists, thats what they are. Their diety is no less jealous then the desert god the christians believe in.15. Comment #247998 by Peacebeuponme on September 15, 2008 at 12:18 pm
TWP - cheers!16. Comment #248009 by carbonman on September 15, 2008 at 12:37 pm
adherence to the cause, or you're out.
17. Comment #248010 by SoManyStars on September 15, 2008 at 12:39 pm
18. Comment #248022 by Raphael Vassallo on September 15, 2008 at 12:52 pm
19. Comment #248026 by my lord of misrule on September 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm
carbonman,20. Comment #248027 by atp on September 15, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Personally I find it totally irrelevant that Reiss is a clergyman. It is what he's saying in the position that he is that is the problem.21. Comment #248035 by my lord of misrule on September 15, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Obviously he couldn't, and that is why he should consider leaving his position.22. Comment #248036 by anxiousmofo on September 15, 2008 at 1:05 pm
You can find Reiss' comments here:23. Comment #248039 by Homo economicus on September 15, 2008 at 1:09 pm
24. Comment #248040 by DamnDirtyApe on September 15, 2008 at 1:09 pm
That was fast!25. Comment #248042 by my lord of misrule on September 15, 2008 at 1:11 pm
treat everyone with respect whatever their views, especially if there are children in your care.26. Comment #248047 by Raphael Vassallo on September 15, 2008 at 1:15 pm
27. Comment #248051 by Matt H. on September 15, 2008 at 1:16 pm
It is so sad that the Royal Society has come to this. The UK's most respected science organisation has been seen to advocate the teaching of creationism in the science classroom. I know the RS as a whole do not subscribe to such a view, but the Director of Education is supposed to represent the organisation, as well as that spokesperson who happened to agree with him. This can not be tolerated, and the right thing to do would be to dismiss him from his post. 28. Comment #248052 by Raphael Vassallo on September 15, 2008 at 1:19 pm
29. Comment #248053 by Verylee on September 15, 2008 at 1:20 pm
he is not advocating teaching that intelligent design or other kinds of creationism are true, or on an equal footing with evolution
30. Comment #248060 by Donald on September 15, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Is there a Youtube or other link to what Reiss actually said?The following RD.net article reports Reiss's own words:
Just because something lacks scientific support doesn't seem to me a sufficient reason to omit it from a science lesson.
Most scientists and science educators believe science teachers should not discuss creationism in school science lessons. I disagree.
31. Comment #248061 by Chris Davis on September 15, 2008 at 1:32 pm
'I am writing on behalf of myself' - shudder. 32. Comment #248067 by MsbertaZ on September 15, 2008 at 1:47 pm
The BBC has an article on the subject:33. Comment #248070 by Neuro on September 15, 2008 at 1:49 pm
34. Comment #248084 by mmurray on September 15, 2008 at 2:39 pm
So the powerful elite of the RS are ganging up on their hapless employee.
35. Comment #248108 by Spinoza on September 15, 2008 at 3:19 pm
36. Comment #248119 by Quine on September 15, 2008 at 4:19 pm
But I think Reiss should in all fairness be given a chance to explain himself clearly...
37. Comment #248123 by DamnDirtyApe on September 15, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Hmm... Neuro has a point. As a political move this could work against Secularism.38. Comment #248124 by Ian H Spedding FCD on September 15, 2008 at 4:43 pm
I wrote in an earlier post that I was disappointed with the response of some scientists, who should know better, to Professor Reiss's comments but this is threatening to become the sort of witchhunt that is not worthy of those who claim to uphold the ideals of science - open, honest, rational enquiry conducted without fear or favour.39. Comment #248126 by severalspeciesof on September 15, 2008 at 4:46 pm
40. Comment #248131 by SeaLife on September 15, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Ben Stein just had his first non-procreative orgasm in 32 years.41. Comment #248135 by Julius Morche on September 15, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Ian H Spedding FCD writes:If the Royal Society really believes that Professor Reiss has behaved that badly then it should fire him but I have to say that, having read what he has said and written recently, it doesn't have a leg to stand on.
We gather Professor Reiss is a clergyman, which in itself is very worrisome. Who on earth thought that he would be an appropriate Director of Education, who could be expected to answer questions about the differences between science and religion in a scientific, reasoned way?
42. Comment #248138 by mordacious1 on September 15, 2008 at 6:17 pm
43. Comment #248140 by Supreme Boeing on September 15, 2008 at 6:19 pm
44. Comment #248142 by DanDare on September 15, 2008 at 6:26 pm
45. Comment #248143 by Styrer- on September 15, 2008 at 6:26 pm
How the fuck was this NOMA-sodden, appeasing, intellectually dishonest and dangerous superstitious supernaturalist ever elected to a fellow of the Royal Society?Just because something lacks scientific support doesn't seem to me a sufficient reason to omit it from a science lesson.
When I was taught physics at school, and taught it extremely well in my view, what I remember finding so exciting was that we could discuss almost anything providing we were prepared to defend our thinking in a way that admitted objective evidence and logical argument.
46. Comment #248145 by Layla Nasreddin on September 15, 2008 at 6:29 pm
How the fuck was this NOMA-sodden, appeasing, intellectually dishonest and dangerous superstitious supernaturalist ever elected to a fellow of the Royal Society?
47. Comment #248148 by Saerain on September 15, 2008 at 6:34 pm
41. Comment #248135 by Julius Morche on September 15, 2008 at 5:52 pmFor much the same reason I would be worried if the chairman of Microsoft were a Luddite. There's a certain ideological difference, isn't there?
Since it is unlikely that Richard Roberts participates in this forum, maybe somebody else here can explain to me why we should be worried about a clergyman doing the job of Director of Education at the RS. As far as I know, Michael Reiss is the first holder of this position and has been appointed in recognition of his outstanding academic merits as a science educator. Why should a clergyman, if qualified, not hold such a position and/ or not be able to "answer questions about the differences between science and religion in a scientific, reasoned way?"
48. Comment #248149 by Styrer- on September 15, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Comment #248145 by Layla Nasreddin on September 15, 2008 at 6:29 pm49. Comment #248152 by mordacious1 on September 15, 2008 at 6:45 pm
50. Comment #248158 by Styrer- on September 15, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Comment #248152 by mordacious1 on September 15, 2008 at 6:45 pm
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