1. Comment #267538 by mordacious1 on October 20, 2008 at 4:32 pm

I dread these call-in shows, you all know why...but here goes.

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2. Comment #267545 by mordacious1 on October 20, 2008 at 4:37 pm

"Islam is a peaceful religion, what a joke."

Oh, this is good, get 'em Richard.

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3. Comment #267546 by Thurston on October 20, 2008 at 4:41 pm

"Politicians really exist!"

haha, good one.

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4. Comment #267551 by mordacious1 on October 20, 2008 at 4:45 pm

I knew it. Darwin and Hitler...call-in shows, bah.

[edit] Oh good, only two callers...the Hitler one was a complete idiot of course. The chat with the muslim guy was very funny. Nice interview.

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5. Comment #267552 by Stephen Maxwell on October 20, 2008 at 4:53 pm

Great! Another idiot banging on about Nazi Eugenics having a direct like to Darwinian Evolutionary Theory.

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6. Comment #267553 by Scandinavian07 on October 20, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Adolf Darwin type interview?



Scan 07

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7. Comment #267554 by Stephen Maxwell on October 20, 2008 at 4:57 pm

Scan 07: Not really. Just about 40 seconds of the interview is a caller accusing big, bad, immoral evolutionary theory of causing the holocaust.

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8. Comment #267556 by notsobad on October 20, 2008 at 5:03 pm

I dread these call-in shows, you all know why...but here goes.

Hey, everybody knows that those people are caricatures of believers and not true Scotsmen, I mean Christians.

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9. Comment #267562 by SmartLX on October 20, 2008 at 5:28 pm

The Nazi-thumper does have a point in that some Nazi propagandists at the time did (likely) defend the eugenics programs in some evolutionary terms.

Of course that doesn't mean that their work had anything to do with natural selection, or that it happened as a result of the theory, or that they even believed in a link themselves.

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10. Comment #267570 by j.mills on October 20, 2008 at 5:48 pm

Yeah, I don't think RD fielded that one very well on this occasion. Better to point out that natural selection is an explanation of how life works, not a prescription for human action. The Nazis' self-justifications were simply false. (Shame god was busy that day, really.)

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11. Comment #267574 by Matt H. on October 20, 2008 at 5:52 pm

The Muslim had no idea who Richard was, he thought he was a Christian! That's actually rather quaint.

Nothing quaint at all about the Bible basher who came on next.... it is a shame that this lie about Darwin influencing Hitler continues to persist. I think it is the biggest barrier preventing people from accepting evolution.

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12. Comment #267579 by Layla Nasreddin on October 20, 2008 at 6:21 pm

I have to say, I've heard a few Muslims answer the "death penalty for apostasy" question exactly the way the Muslim guy did -- "I've never heard of that!" I don't know if they're being honest, though I wouldn't necessarily doubt it. You'd be surprised just how little a lot of Muslims know about Islam -- though this doesn't prevent them from defending it vociferously against all criticism!

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13. Comment #267582 by j.mills on October 20, 2008 at 6:33 pm

Well, it's a funny thing, Layla, this faith business, isn't it? I would have thought that if you truly believed there was a god, and heaven and hell and judgement and all that, there could be nothing more important in your life than finding out what your god wants from you. Yet many theists - Muslim, Christian, whatever - seem startlingly ignorant of the details of their religion and have certainly never read their scriptures (even if, in the case of Islam, they may know them by heart!).

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14. Comment #267583 by Liveliest Crib on October 20, 2008 at 6:35 pm

I always wince a bit when listening to these call-in shows. I know the lineup of "usual suspect" questions I'm about to hear. And certainly, some did come up.

But I have to admit, "Why did my mom change her mind about religion?" was one I'd never heard before.

:)

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15. Comment #267585 by rod-the-farmer on October 20, 2008 at 6:52 pm

I think it might have been useful for the good professor to quote the chapter & verse of the Koran or hadith that mentions death for apostasy. The more times we mention that, the better, IMHO.

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16. Comment #267586 by aquilacane on October 20, 2008 at 6:59 pm

The Americans applied the theory of gravity to Fat Boy as they flew over target... bloody Newtonians!

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17. Comment #267590 by Goldy on October 20, 2008 at 7:08 pm

Comment #267579 by Layla Nasreddin
Given that nearly all religious people actually only know what they are told, that's not really surprising. Heck, even Christians only get what Jesus said secondhand from their primary source. The Koran is what God told Mohammed and what he then told someone, etc, until someone else wrote it down and finally you have a bunch of people saying "Well, what he actually meant was..." - hardly the basis for a great understanding of a religion.
If I was God, I would bypass all these damn Chinese whispers and just let everyone know my message. If they chose to follow me, great. Obviously I'd let them not follow me (free will and all that) and just make sure they die horribly and that their death for what is left of eternity is painful :-) But I would not cloud the issue by letting some oik who doesn't have the decency to write down everything I say firsthand proclaim my message.
Piss poor god, if you ask me. Amazing so many people are too stupid to see him for the spin doctoring the whole charade is....

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18. Comment #267593 by RobertHarris on October 20, 2008 at 7:17 pm

The Hitler argument for Christians is horrible. The holocaust was all about anti-semitism, which was entirely the product of Christians who blamed the jews for killing Christ.

Martin Luther made anti-semitic statements that must have made even Hitler blush.

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19. Comment #267596 by Layla Nasreddin on October 20, 2008 at 7:29 pm

rod-the-farmer wrote:

I think it might have been useful for the good professor to quote the chapter & verse of the Koran or hadith that mentions death for apostasy. The more times we mention that, the better, IMHO.

The thought of the good Professor reciting the Qur'an (preferably in Arabic but English will do) almost has me falling off my chair laughing. (By the way, nice touch with the "I put away childish things" reference to Paul's first epistle to the Corinthians in the Bible being applied to belief in God!)

Seriously, it's not really stated precisely in the Qur'an. There are a few verses that might be seen in that light (4:89, "If they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them"), but more likely you'll get people quoting the "There is no compulsion in religion; Truth stands out clearly from error" verse (2:256), or the ones saying things like, "The truth has come, let whoever wills accept it and whoever wills reject it" (18:29) or "Will you then compel mankind, against their will, to believe? No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah." (10:99-100).

No, the bit you want is in the hadith, where Muhammad is quoted as saying, "Whoever discards his religion, then kill him."

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20. Comment #267600 by Layla Nasreddin on October 20, 2008 at 7:41 pm

j mills wrote:

Well, it's a funny thing, Layla, this faith business, isn't it? I would have thought that if you truly believed there was a god, and heaven and hell and judgement and all that, there could be nothing more important in your life than finding out what your god wants from you. Yet many theists - Muslim, Christian, whatever - seem startlingly ignorant of the details of their religion and have certainly never read their scriptures (even if, in the case of Islam, they may know them by heart!).

Isn't it weird? Even more strange is the phenomenon where people will grumble about stupidities in their religion or things said by clerics...but then, if anybody from the "outside" criticizes it, they're quick to defend it. Even if the person is saying the same kind of thing that they were just saying. A tribal thing, I guess.

Goldy wrote:

If I was God, I would bypass all these damn Chinese whispers and just let everyone know my message. If they chose to follow me, great. Obviously I'd let them not follow me (free will and all that) and just make sure they die horribly and that their death for what is left of eternity is painful :-) But I would not cloud the issue by letting some oik who doesn't have the decency to write down everything I say firsthand proclaim my message.
Piss poor god, if you ask me. Amazing so many people are too stupid to see him for the spin doctoring the whole charade is....

The Qur'an tells, over and over again, how numerous prophets were sent by Allah to mankind to show them the right path, and each one of them in their turn faced rejection and disbelief (just like Muhammad). I couldn't help thinking, rather blasphemously, "Wait, isn't the definition of insanity to keep on doing what's been proven not to work? How many prophets does Allah have to send before he realizes that this an ineffective way of bringing mankind his message?" ;-)

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21. Comment #267603 by isthatclear on October 20, 2008 at 8:05 pm

song:I believe I can fly
Dawkins I believe I can have many interviews, write many books, give lectures, get funny and be exhausted at the end, by bein an end in the new version of Vanity Fair


Elephant and butterfly

Elephant: What is wrong with that guy?
Butterfly: No ideas! I guess he is a loose cannon. How come we can be related? Our structures are different. I can fly but you can't.
Atheist : May be he can try to fly? I believe he can fly.
Butterfly: Come on. Don't make jokes. This is just a song.
Elephant: what are you these guys doing to me?
Atheist: They are taking you to the roof of skyscraper and push you out of the roof and you will see that you can fly and please sing I believe I can fly. I will be here on the ground watching you over?
Elephant: Butterfly please land on me I am scared. This guy is lunatic.
Butterfly: No worries, I will be right on your neck.
Elephant: God please help me. I will close my eyes. My god we are falling. I can't fly.
Butterfly: we told him. Guess what? If that atheist guy is not staying away, we are landing right on him?
Atheist: Sing the song fat elephant. Sing it. I believe I can fly. Oh my evolution it is falling right on me. You forgot to sing that is why.
Elephant: Poor guy I just smashed him to the ground. Sorry pal. I can't fly and by the way all the elephants are fat. What IQ do you have?

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22. Comment #267605 by LeeC on October 20, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Hi isthatclear

Atheist : May be he can try to fly? I believe he can fly.

Why would an atheist believe that an elephant can fly by jumping off a building?

Have they not heard of this thing called gravity?

Lee

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23. Comment #267611 by SmartLX on October 20, 2008 at 8:41 pm

Rod and everyone else: got your Hadith death-to-apostates passages right here. (The first is new, the second is the same as Layla's.) Take note of the name and numbers, and spread the word whenever someone throws the "religion of peace" meme around.

Sahih al-Bukhari 9.83.17: "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases:...for murder; a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse; and the one who reverts from Islam..."

Sahih al-Bukhari 9.84.57: "Some Zanadiqa [atheists] were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment [fire].' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" (The last bit is sometimes translated differently, but "kill him" is a constant.)

Background for those not familiar with the Hadith: it's a written collection of oral accounts of Muhammed's adventures outside the Quran. Muslims regard it as canon, so to speak. The Sahih al-Bukhari is apparently the most reliable subset.

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24. Comment #267615 by Cluebot on October 20, 2008 at 9:08 pm

I've just marked isthatclear (aka "clearmind") as a troll. However, just in case he is actually so badly misinformed he thinks his drivel is relevant, here's a simple explanation of what creationists have to refute:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=6

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25. Comment #267629 by GordonYKWong on October 20, 2008 at 10:00 pm

21. Comment #267603 by isthatclear on October 20, 2008 at 8:05 pm

Dawkins I believe I can have many interviews, write many books, give lectures, get funny and be exhausted at the end, by bein an end in the new version of Vanity Fair

statistical process involving a number of random variables depending on a few of us trying to save evolins?

Anyway i will talk to a lower, communalistic level of clowning around or gishing and galloping around?

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26. Comment #267632 by Gregg Townsend on October 20, 2008 at 10:06 pm

25. Comment #267629 by GordonYKWong

Gordon,

I'm starting to understand that program of yours. Should I be frightened?

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27. Comment #267637 by GordonYKWong on October 20, 2008 at 10:20 pm

26. Comment #267632 by Gregg Townsend on October 20, 2008 at 10:06 pm

You should seek help immediately ;-)

even wooter doesn't understand what "I" am saying. I must crank up the loony coefficient.

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28. Comment #267639 by Gregg Townsend on October 20, 2008 at 10:24 pm

I choose the blue pill!

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29. Comment #267642 by Roy_H on October 20, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Hitler was no atheist, Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

So former triple jumper Johnathon Edwards,has quit religion.That was news to me too. Would you call that a leap of faith?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-435374/Olympic-champ-Jonathan-Edwards-insists-marriage-intact-despite-Christianity-crisis.html

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30. Comment #267647 by GordonYKWong on October 20, 2008 at 11:17 pm

21. Comment #267603 by isthatclear on October 20, 2008 at 8:05 pm

Elephant and butterfly

Elephant: What is wrong with that guy?
Butterfly: No ideas! I guess he is a loose cannon. How come we can be related? Our structures are different. I can fly but you can't.

Crazy Fundie Wooter: You all can fly, there is a guardian angel spying on all of you. If you pray hard enough we can all fly. Sing it with me brothers:

"There can be miracles, if you believe...
Though hope is frail, it's hard to kill"

Butterfly: Come on. Don't make jokes. This is just a song.
Elephant: what are you these guys doing to me?

Crazy Fundie Wooter: Sing and rejoice, creatures of God... Testify to the glory that is Almighty God... Speak in tongues like I do:

"Take in more information than the greenish residue in my dreams. Now my religion too. Swearing holy prophets and the one keep looking at the same thing he does. Get married, establish a family."

Elephant: Butterfly please land on me I am scared. This guy is lunatic.
Butterfly: No worries, I will be right on your neck.
Elephant: God please help me. I will close my eyes. My god we are falling. I can't fly.
Butterfly: we told him. Guess what? If that fundie guy is not staying away, we are landing right on him?

Crazy Fundie Wooter: You must pray. You must have faith. You must speak in tongues:

"Fear god does not fit in logic dress. No intelligence allowed No honesty is allowed ACCORDING TO the little worm. It is also out of nowhere with perfect order and design but no worries as you see in Al rawandi's comments. WHY?"

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31. Comment #267658 by asman on October 21, 2008 at 12:35 am

Christianity is demilitarisation of monotheism.
Islam is absolute militarisation of monotheism.
You all will learn it very soon. The monster already invaded in western hemisphere.

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32. Comment #267662 by Dr Doctor on October 21, 2008 at 12:44 am

"you are sadly mistaken.."

"I'm not sad at all! I'm quite happy in my faith!"

Moron.

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33. Comment #267670 by Quetzalcoatl on October 21, 2008 at 1:00 am

isthatclear-

Three blind mice.
Three BLIND MicE.
Are you seeing how they is running?
Are you seeing WHY they is running?
That cat has an UZI!
Must have bought it from worm.

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34. Comment #267680 by Greyman on October 21, 2008 at 1:22 am

32. Comment #267662 by Dr Doctor on October 21, 2008 at 12:44 am

“you are sadly mistaken.”

“I’m not sad at all!  I’m quite happy in my faith!”

Moron.

Maybe, but it’s an interesting Freudian slip that he didn’t deny being mistaken; just that he was unhappy about it.

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35. Comment #267683 by rod-the-farmer on October 21, 2008 at 1:34 am

Re the comment by Layla Nasreddin

The thought of the good Professor reciting the Qur'an (preferably in Arabic but English will do) almost has me falling off my chair laughing.

Perhaps I should have been more clear. I did not mean Richard should recite the Qu'ran, but that he should quote the specific chapter & verse wherein the punishment for apostasy is mentioned. I see someone has done that. It should be easy enough for us to memorise that reference, if we habitually enter into debates with muslims. Anyone discussing religion with a fundie will find they incessantly quote specific sections of the xian bible they believe supports their argument. I felt it would be effective to use the same tactic against muslims. That's all.

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36. Comment #267687 by belacaleb on October 21, 2008 at 1:48 am

No death threats?...After-death threats abound I'm sure...;-)

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37. Comment #267693 by WhiskeyCocktailSauce on October 21, 2008 at 1:55 am

@ Comment #267603 by isthatclear

That sounds like something a patient at the McCrazy loonybin might write on poetry thurdays.

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38. Comment #267724 by V'Ger on October 21, 2008 at 2:42 am

Usual morons on the phone. As usual - trying to defeat RD's arguments without having even read the God Delusion.

Cannon fodder.

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39. Comment #267728 by notsobad on October 21, 2008 at 2:57 am

The holocaust was all about anti-semitism, which was entirely the product of Christians who blamed the jews for killing Christ.

It had a lot to do with cohesion among Jews and their commercial success, even though most were just common shop owners and not super rich magnates. The they killed Jesus argument was used as propaganda to get support from brainwashed Christian masses before Holocaust too.
The Chinese have similar problems in countries around China, where a lot of them belong to business elites even though they are just a minority.

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40. Comment #267729 by CaptainMandate on October 21, 2008 at 2:59 am

isthatclear

you make a very good point with your lovely story

belief won't save you from dying

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41. Comment #267732 by isthatclear on October 21, 2008 at 3:20 am

Let see what evolins are at it today?

(Why would an atheist believe that an elephant can fly by jumping off a building?
Have they not heard of this thing called gravity?)

Oh man! Believe me I cracked a very big laugh when I read your comment. Tears welled in my eyes. God bless you. Really you are so clueless.

Quatzcoal
Mouse and worm? Hmm! One million dollar question; What does mouse do when it sees a worm? Eat the grandpapa?


SmartLX

They are millions of fabricated hadits about the religion Islam so take it easy with Sahih Buhari. And do not try to outsmart people with what you put forward.

Cluebot

Natural selection story is a very big gap logical gap in ET and you cannot fill it with made up videos since they are all against reason, science genetics, biology and science.

Million kinds of species and claming that they are coming from WORM AND claim that strong animals survive and weak ones are gone? So flies or sheep are strong and elephants are weak that they survived? Or natural selection is applicable only for some animals?

Genetic information or getting passed on might happen in the same structures and DNA not in different ones. You cannot say Goats and giraffes are cousins; both are stretching their necks toward the trees? So what? Natural selection accident? Goats or deers or even snakes stayed in the same length but our lovely giraffes got a longer neck. Come on give me a break.

You go to hardware store and claim that all the hardware happened out of one small piece of iron through evolution and natural selection? Oops! Reason gets in and silence ET.

Gordon
(even wooter doesn't understand what "I" am saying.)
Pleaseeeeeee! Tell me any online translate that I can translate what you are trying to bubble up. Please! I am so desperate!

Christianity is demilitarisation of monotheism.

Evolution is the removal of reason
Dawkins is the tailor who tries to make dresses for all creatures while he is blindfolded by his arrogance and ignorance and still claming that one dress in the beginning will go multiply and make all dresses for million kinds of creatures.
For low IQ evolins, dresses mean in my analogy that the body structures of the creatures. Tailor means is the one who claims that he is a tailor and waits for in front of CLOTH to happen a suit all by itself or luck and chances.

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42. Comment #267735 by Laurie Fraser on October 21, 2008 at 3:23 am

Hmmm.....maybe it was a mescalin sandwich.

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43. Comment #267739 by Quetzalcoatl on October 21, 2008 at 3:28 am

Oh man! Believe me I cracked a very big laugh when I read your comment. Tears welled in my eyes. God bless you. Really you are so clueless.

Quatzcoal
Mouse and worm? Hmm! One million dollar question; What does mouse do when it sees a worm? Eat the grandpapa

Ironic that he would call someone clueless when he apparently isn't even capable of typing someone's user name correctly. Who the hell is "Quatzcoal"? Poor Isthatclear, can't even copy off a screen properly.

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44. Comment #267743 by Philip1978 on October 21, 2008 at 3:33 am

There's a gap in ET?

Wooter, check the DVD see if its got a scratch on it or something. If you have the receipt that has not gone over 28 days since you bought it, go return it or swap it for a new movie. I would hate for you to miss out on such a classic movie!

:)

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45. Comment #267744 by ColdFusionLazarus on October 21, 2008 at 3:34 am

isthatclear

Your mission appears to be to ridicule the idea that many species "Evolved".

You'd like me to come to my senses and see that Evolution is a lie, created by evil scientists to take mankind away from God.

Let's imagine that you have put forward a very good case. Let's imagine that I now doubt that this process of evolution could describe how all the species came to be on this planet. Now what?

What else do you want to tell me now that I accept that evolution is a lie?

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46. Comment #267745 by Laurie Fraser on October 21, 2008 at 3:35 am

Listen, Quatzcoal - you're familiar with mescalin, aren't you? You know it's effects. Well, take a look at little isthatclear...

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47. Comment #267747 by Quetzalcoatl on October 21, 2008 at 3:44 am

Lurid Farter-

Oh, I see. Makes sense now.

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48. Comment #267748 by Murky on October 21, 2008 at 3:45 am

Laurie Fraser on October 21, 2008 at 3:35 am


Wow Laurie!!!! Mescalin!!!

Takes me back to the 70's when I lived in Nth Syd….Oh happy days they were…

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49. Comment #267750 by Laurie Fraser on October 21, 2008 at 3:50 am

Murky - how's things? I, of course, wouldn't really know anything about mescalin.....

Cat's cowl - getting a bit snippy for a god, aren't we? :)

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50. Comment #267751 by Philip1978 on October 21, 2008 at 3:51 am

Stone the Crows Laurie, I think you are right!

http://www.drugs.com/mescaline.html

Wooter, come off it man, don't do that to your poor mind any longer!

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