Heat the Hornet
How can you say that evolution is “true”? Isn’t that just your opinion, of no more value than anybody else’s? Isn’t every view entitled to equal “respect”? Maybe so where the issue is one of, say, musical taste or political judgement. But when it is a matter of scientific fact? Unfortunately, scientists do receive such relativistic protests when they dare to claim that something is factually true in the real world. Given the title of Jerry Coyne’s book, this is a distraction that I must deal with.
“Now try to think of a theory that explains the patterns we’ve discussed by invoking the special creation of species on oceanic islands and continents . . . . There are no good answers – unless, of course, you presume that the goal of a creator was to make species look as though they evolved on islands. Nobody is keen to embrace that answer, which explains why creationists simply shy away from island biogeography.”
“All of these changes are caused by the genes of the parasitic worm as an ingenious ploy to reproduce themselves . . . . It is staggering adaptations like this – the many ways that parasites control their carriers, just to pass on the parasites’ genes – that gets an evolutionist’s juices running.”
“Alerted by the mark, the scout’s nestmates descend on the spot, a group of twenty or thirty hornets arrayed against a colony of up to 30,000 honeybees. But it’s no contest. Wading into the hive with jaws slashing, the hornets decapitate the bees one by one. With each hornet making heads roll at a rate of forty per minute, the battle is over in a few hours: every bee is dead, and body parts litter the hive. Then the hornets stock their larder.”
“And their defense is stunning – another marvel of adaptive behavior. When the hornet scout first arrives at the hive, the honeybees near the entrance rush into the hive, calling nestmates to arms while luring the hornet inside. In the meantime, hundreds of worker bees assemble inside the entrance. Once the hornet is inside, it is mobbed and covered by a tight ball of bees. Vibrating their abdomens, the bees quickly raise the temperature inside the ball to about 117 degrees Fahrenheit. In twenty minutes the hornet scout is cooked to death, and – usually – the nest is saved.”
2. Comment #338729 by dniete97 on February 11, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Great review, Prof. Dawkins!3. Comment #338730 by tvictor on February 11, 2009 at 12:20 pm
4. Comment #338732 by JFHalsey on February 11, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Holy shit, I have to stop reading at the second paragraph and post right now to say that "God's balls banging together" has made me laugh out loud harder than anything I've read for a long time. What was this review published in'''5. Comment #338733 by Sally Luxmoore on February 11, 2009 at 12:32 pm
6. Comment #338735 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Cheers for the clip, debacles. Interesting.7. Comment #338736 by BrandySpears on February 11, 2009 at 12:40 pm
8. Comment #338737 by Russell Blackford on February 11, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Apropos of the last para, has anyone else checked ...
Human beings have 60,000 miles of blood vessels in their body. How much science education does it take to believe this happened by chance and not by design? I am a design engineer (and have designed many piping systems) and would like to know. Think, don’t follow.
9. Comment #338741 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 12:50 pm
10. Comment #338742 by epeeist on February 11, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Most people, including the atheists posting on this website, do not enjoy learning about science. They're more interested in the latest episode of Big Brother -- or, in the case of people here, the stupidity of the creationists...How do you know this? Or are you just spouting in the hope you will get a reaction?
11. Comment #338748 by flying goose on February 11, 2009 at 12:57 pm
12. Comment #338749 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 12:57 pm
I have no idea why so many biologists feel the need to supplement themselves with Marxism, or militant atheism, or frothing-at-the-mouth anti-creationism. It is a disturbing trend. People aren't like this in the other natural sciences.Not met the chemists I know then. As for a physicist I knew once...carnally, it has to be said...she outdid me in atheism.
13. Comment #338750 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Mister ChongPeople aren't like this in the other natural sciences.What a fucking pathetic thing to say.
14. Comment #338751 by alovrin on February 11, 2009 at 12:58 pm
15. Comment #338752 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Oh for fuck's sake. Why has Mr Chong's post been removed?16. Comment #338753 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I know this community fairly well. I have not been impressed by the level of scientific knowledge exhibited here. Moreover, on this website I almost never encounter interesting discussions of scientific topics.
17. Comment #338754 by Muetze on February 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm
18. Comment #338755 by Mister Chong on February 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Mister Chong.Training to be one, though I'm of course not going to release personal details. I'm not making an argument from authority, I'm simply articulating a small observation.
Are you a scientist?
19. Comment #338756 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Oh for fuck's sake. why has Mr Chong's post been removed'I second that comment. Please reinstate it! He makes valid points.
20. Comment #338757 by ahmunnaeetchoo on February 11, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Did Mister Chong actually read the review? it deals with his points in depth.21. Comment #338758 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 1:05 pm
22. Comment #338760 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 1:05 pm
23. Comment #338762 by Sciros on February 11, 2009 at 1:06 pm
24. Comment #338763 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Goldy25. Comment #338764 by Vintro on February 11, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Would it not be better to start confronting moderate christians, (if there is such a thing) with the information Richard is delivering. Instead of always confronting the extreme end of believers in films and TV doco's. Surely if the the moderates could be persuaded to THINK, then the extremists would not have a leg to stand on. I just think it's pointless going up against wacko fundamentalists (although it does make for great, if not disturbing entertainment). I think we have a better chance of change in mindset, by educating believers who sit on the fence, as it were.26. Comment #338766 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Sciros27. Comment #338767 by Tezcatlipoca on February 11, 2009 at 1:10 pm
28. Comment #338769 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 1:12 pm
29. Comment #338770 by Quine on February 11, 2009 at 1:12 pm
30. Comment #338771 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 1:12 pm
TezcatI'd much rather talk about how Prof. Dawkins has given a wonderful review of Coyne's book Why Evolution is True.I do want to buy it now, after reading this. I'll be reading it and going "wow" every couple of pages I expect, if the excerpts above are anything to go by.
31. Comment #338773 by Sciros on February 11, 2009 at 1:13 pm
32. Comment #338774 by ahmunnaeetchoo on February 11, 2009 at 1:13 pm
@ goldy33. Comment #338775 by NewEnglandBob on February 11, 2009 at 1:15 pm
34. Comment #338776 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Mr Chong - you do need to address my post #338750.35. Comment #338777 by Sciros on February 11, 2009 at 1:16 pm
ScirosNo; his posting pattern and repetitive content makes him a troll.
He doesn't like what he sees as militant atheism, and wants to put that view forward. That makes him a troll?
36. Comment #338779 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 1:17 pm
37. Comment #338781 by SteveN on February 11, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I have not been impressed by the level of scientific knowledge exhibited here. Moreover, on this website I almost never encounter interesting discussions of scientific topics.
38. Comment #338782 by Sargeist on February 11, 2009 at 1:18 pm
39. Comment #338783 by NewEnglandBob on February 11, 2009 at 1:19 pm
40. Comment #338785 by Shuggy on February 11, 2009 at 1:20 pm
41. Comment #338786 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Sciros42. Comment #338787 by Mister Chong on February 11, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Enough of this "troll" nonsense, please. I am making points of substance here. Respond to any points I make that are worth responding to, and please cease speculating about my motive.You think that if christians and muslims started denying the existence of quarks then physicists would keep quiet and allow baseless nonsense theories to be taught alongside theirs in schools?They don't deny the existence of quarks, but they sure as shit don't respect the physicists' cosmological turf. Christians and Muslims think they know more about cosmology than people trained in general relativity and string theory. Yet where is the physics version of Pharygnula -- a website almost exclusively devoted to sneering at the religious?
43. Comment #338788 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 1:21 pm
44. Comment #338791 by Frankus1122 on February 11, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Most people, including the atheists posting on this website, do not enjoy learning about science. They're more interested in the latest episode of Big Brother -- or, in the case of people here, the stupidity of the creationists...
There isn't much of a point to this persistently nagging pro-evolution activism. The truth is that most people simply don't care. Most people who do accept evolution know almost nothing about evolutionary biology, and I fail to see what differentiates such people from creationists (apart from responses in the occasional pointless poll).
In addition, they have thought very, very little about their professed beliefs on evolution, and even science in general. The theory of evolution is NOTHING to these people (and I'm talking about upward of 90% of the population).
45. Comment #338792 by Peacebeuponme on February 11, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Mister ChongChristians and Muslims think they know more about cosmology than people trained in general relativity and string theory.Do they put forward some other theory, and campaign for this to be taught in schools? Do they open up museums for children which teach nonsense about physics? Do they start websites which teach similar nonsense, and attack physicists' theories from every angle they can think of? Do they use whatever reseources and funding they can find to spread ignorance of cosmology and particles?
47. Comment #338795 by Goldy on February 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm
48. Comment #338796 by Sargeist on February 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm
49. Comment #338797 by PJG on February 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm
50. Comment #338798 by Corylus on February 11, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Such dishonesty by omission is lamentably characteristic of creationists. They love fossils because they have been schooled, wrongly as Coyne shows, to believe that “gaps” in the fossil record are an embarrassment to evolutionary theorists. The geographical distribution of species really is an embarrassment to creationists – and they conspicuously ignore it.I freely admit that I hadn't considered this point before. Lots to think about here and - I suspect - much more after I have read the book.
1. Comment #338727 by debacles on February 11, 2009 at 12:14 pm
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