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The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker.

by NonStampCollector - YouTube

Thanks to "ItAintNecessarilySo"

The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker.

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1. Comment #362016 by Bruno on April 8, 2009 at 8:41 am

Their are layers of brilliance within this little piece.

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2. Comment #362027 by Francis Clarke on April 8, 2009 at 8:48 am

lol

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3. Comment #362032 by truthcounts on April 8, 2009 at 8:53 am

Wonderful, I can not tell you how many times I have this arguement with my christian friends. The old "it had to be made" arguement. It seems so absurd to begin with that I can not believe that it is touted around as "proof of God" time and time again. This puts that whole idea in to the absurd terms it needs to be put into. Unfortunately as with most this stuff the only ones that will watch it are the ones that don't need to.

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4. Comment #362034 by antx on April 8, 2009 at 9:01 am

This guy made more of them. This one I like because it´s so plain to the point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0A4_bwCaX0&feature=related

;-)

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5. Comment #362037 by theinquisitor on April 8, 2009 at 9:05 am

I strongly recommend all of NonStampCollector's videos.

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6. Comment #362038 by NewEnglandBob on April 8, 2009 at 9:10 am

The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker and that causes and directs the events that we can't otherwise explain and which doesn't need to have been made and is the one thing from which to ask for things that no human can give and without him we can't be fully happy and is unlimited by all the laws of physics and never began and will never finish and is invisible but is actually everywhere at once and who is so perfect that even if he killed millions of people, including babies, he still would be perfect and who is so powerful and magical that he can even make a virgin pregnant if he wanted to..."

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7. Comment #362040 by Hominidae on April 8, 2009 at 9:12 am

hahaha great video...

oh the stupidity of religion and the belief in god

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8. Comment #362044 by thereisnodog on April 8, 2009 at 9:16 am

fun to watch...life of brian-esque. I am ever more amazed that people can't see through theism.

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9. Comment #362045 by ustumble on April 8, 2009 at 9:16 am

There are a couple of "animators" on YouTube that are ripping apart religion. NonStampCollector is one of the best.

His videos are here:

http://www.youtube.com/NonStampCollector

Let me also highly recommend 43alley:

http://www.youtube.com/43alley

He does short animations of the nasty Bible verses.

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10. Comment #362046 by Colwyn Abernathy on April 8, 2009 at 9:19 am

Miss you, Doug. :_(

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11. Comment #362059 by Big City on April 8, 2009 at 9:34 am

They should have pointed out how much 'He' likes to punish people while still hiding.

ustumble-
I'm still partial to Brad Neely.

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12. Comment #362063 by steveroot on April 8, 2009 at 9:56 am

I like the little details... like the leper's hand that falls off. :lol:
Steve

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13. Comment #362078 by Koreman on April 8, 2009 at 10:27 am

Nonstampcollector is great. Watch all the videos.

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14. Comment #362083 by Koreman on April 8, 2009 at 10:38 am

Another beauty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6arhd4Kq1cI&NR=1

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15. Comment #362095 by NormanDoering on April 8, 2009 at 11:27 am

Ah yes, NonStampCollector. I just did a post featuring him:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2009/04/pat-condell-and-nonstampcollector.html

Got more of his videos embedded there, as well as couple other interesting youtube atheists.

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16. Comment #362114 by DiveMedic on April 8, 2009 at 12:03 pm

Wow... I almost fell out of my chair AND pissed myself at the same time. That would have only been the third time that had ever happened to me.

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17. Comment #362123 by flying goose on April 8, 2009 at 12:28 pm

spoken of,

written off as,

redundant explanation,

but being neither...

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18. Comment #362187 by MelM on April 8, 2009 at 3:12 pm

A god who can do anything works sooo well as the explanation of everything. A deep look at the fundamental physical constants is missing? No problem; God did it. Don't know how life began? No propblem; God did it. .....

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19. Comment #362199 by nogodforme on April 8, 2009 at 4:15 pm

Hilarious, yet disturbingly close to the sort of reasoning that people actually use.

I wonder if the name will catch on ...

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20. Comment #362202 by NonStampCollector on April 8, 2009 at 4:24 pm

Oh my ThingThatMadeTheThings!! I'm featured on Richard Dawkins' website!!!!!!!!

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21. Comment #362208 by Friend Giskard on April 8, 2009 at 5:03 pm

Awesome!

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22. Comment #362219 by Neuro on April 8, 2009 at 6:31 pm

...and this is precisely how religion was started.

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23. Comment #362227 by windweaver on April 8, 2009 at 7:26 pm

A great video.
Theists are always on the lookout for things that are difficult to explain and thus can be explained ie Goddidit. I had a debate with an IDer the other day. He challenged me to explain why beautiful faces follow the proportions of the golden or divine ratio. He thinks God's behind this. Here's the video he directed me to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1kqMk3jFD8&feature=PlayList&p=5FCCD2C2900FC725&index=6&playnext=3&playnext_from=PL

Be interested to hear if anyone has an argument to counter the IDer on this point...

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24. Comment #362234 by Dhamma on April 8, 2009 at 8:20 pm

Windweaver,

I wonder if this is the same in animals. Would a cat have the golden ratio too? Perhaps animals find the golden ratio attractive as well?

Perhaps there's a biological advantage in the golden ratio?

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25. Comment #362243 by theonlybap on April 8, 2009 at 9:19 pm

You'd think this would have to be a misrepresentation, but they ACTUALLY SAY THAT.

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26. Comment #362260 by daverussell on April 8, 2009 at 10:52 pm

Brilliant. But I was expecting a Dog who appear at the end and start barking...........

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27. Comment #362267 by tieInterceptor on April 8, 2009 at 11:48 pm

He challenged me to explain why beautiful faces follow the proportions of the golden or divine ratio. He thinks God's behind this. Here's the video he directed me to: Be interested to hear if anyone has an argument to counter the IDer on this point...

I remember hearing something about this, we recognise as "beautiful" the faces that are more symmetrical, and good symmetry is a sign of healthy DNA replication. Therefore evolution favoured this on our 'to like' list...(Why the golden ratio of 3rds is part of it, I'm not sure) also women like man with wider shoulders than hips because it's a sign of physical fitness, and man like in women wide hips because it's a sign of fertility,

then again... I'm not that sure.

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28. Comment #362276 by Raiko on April 9, 2009 at 1:09 am

windweaver,

1. Might have a biological advantage (even though this doesn't really address the IDer's problem)

I'm not sure this has been shown more than once or not, but I read - for example - that when the hip/waist ratio in women has a certain value, this indicates they're more fertile. This ratio is realized in models as well as the more chubby ideals of former times (like in Boticelli's Birth of the Venus, I think).

Even if unproven, something similar to that could be the truth of the golden ratio in people's faces - that this proportion is a feature that indicates a hidden advantage of the one who has it and has therefore been evolutionarily established.

2. Search and ye shall find

However, your cdesign proponistist will claim that his argument stands nevertheless - even if fertility went with the golden ratio, this fertility-face-ratio correlation would only make things more amazing and thus prove his point. He will completely overlook how many things do not cater to the golden ratio or anything specific and how easily you can find things that cater to your favorite personal number, if only you search and calculate enough.

3. *yawn*

In the end, it is just the same argument as ALWAYS - "we haven't figured it out yet, so god did it".

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29. Comment #362308 by TouchedbytheBishop on April 9, 2009 at 3:35 am

Anyone else think that voice sounds suspiciously like Tim Minchin's?

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30. Comment #362361 by jeggers on April 9, 2009 at 6:26 am

Comment #362308 by TouchedbytheBishop

it does, but it also reminds me of flight of the concords. 'if thats what you're in to'.

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31. Comment #362365 by Peacebeuponme on April 9, 2009 at 6:29 am

They do sound like Flight of the Conchords. The other questionning guy especially.

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32. Comment #362366 by jeggers on April 9, 2009 at 6:32 am

Peacebeuponme

You should get the dvd of the series, its quality.

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33. Comment #362371 by Anvil on April 9, 2009 at 6:38 am

32. Comment #362366 by jeggers:

Seconded. followed by a good dose of The Rubber Bishops and lashings of Corky and the Juice Pigs!

Anvil.

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34. Comment #362427 by steveroot on April 9, 2009 at 9:23 am

20. Comment #362202 by NonStampCollector on April 8, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Oh my ThingThatMadeTheThings!! I'm featured on Richard Dawkins' website!!!!!!!!

Congratulations! Nice work.
Steve

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35. Comment #362509 by liberalartist on April 9, 2009 at 12:53 pm

NonStampCollector - great video. I viewed several more and I especially like your free will ones!

Jesus: I'd really like you to let me into your life to save you.
Guy at the door: Save me from what from?
Jesus: To save you from what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in.

Hilarious!

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36. Comment #362537 by Simonw on April 9, 2009 at 1:24 pm

The Golden Ratio thing is probably just a myth. i.e. There isn't a preferred ratio, otherwise fashions in women's shapes wouldn't change with time. Any clothes designer is going to tell you the body doesn't divide consistently into 1.618 ratio at the navel, and even if it did "why the navel", why not crotch?

It was originally conceived of by a monk without any real evidence, and only one person is generally credited with later obtaining evidence to back it up, others have tried and failed. Those who used it for art tended to draw unrealistically shaped people.

So I'd answer the IDer by saying - show me the evidence that the claim is true, and not just some story.

Sure there are specific things in maths that produce the golden ratio, and possibly some in nature approximate it for meaningful reasons, and a lot more things can be seem to approximate it if you measure arbitrary things and claim as unaesthetic things that don't agree with the hypothesis.

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37. Comment #362573 by Vinelectric on April 9, 2009 at 2:11 pm

Brilliant!

Please check out his "Free Will God style Part 3"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0wSjJAsrAk

Good stuff !

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38. Comment #362615 by clintonjason on April 9, 2009 at 3:03 pm

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goQajNcG39s&feature=related

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0A4_bwCaX0&feature=related

(just for a laugh)

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39. Comment #362707 by mandydax on April 9, 2009 at 11:27 pm

This thing that made the things for which there is no known maker and that causes and directs the events that we can't otherwise explain and which doesn't need to have been made and is the one thing from which to ask for things that no human can give and without him we can't be fully happy and is unlimited by all the laws of physics and never began and will never finish and is invisible but is actually everywhere at once and who is so perfect that even if he killed millions of people, including babies, he still would be perfect and who is so powerful and magical that he can even make a virgin pregnant if he wanted to, is his name not Bruce? PS: He also says no poofters.

This vid is brill. :)

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40. Comment #362843 by bewlay_brother on April 10, 2009 at 3:19 pm

that video is just pure brilliance. if only theists could watch it and even think for a moment, how ridiculous their arguments are...ah well

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41. Comment #363094 by Border Collie on April 11, 2009 at 10:30 am