Religion's parasitic morality2. Comment #364163 by Diacanu on April 14, 2009 at 10:13 am
3. Comment #364164 by Stafford Gordon on April 14, 2009 at 10:14 am
The argument is wrapped up very nicely.4. Comment #364168 by root2squared on April 14, 2009 at 10:19 am
5. Comment #364184 by Rowdy1 on April 14, 2009 at 10:35 am
6. Comment #364197 by Lucas on April 14, 2009 at 10:53 am
...we use our extant morality to determine which bits of religious texts are those we should follow and which bits are those we should ignore. Religion uses the morality we already have to try and buttress its claims to deep truths. The mismatch between natural and biblical morality is a consequence of the attempt to mold our existing feelings of what is right and wrong into a power structure that wants to hijack our own nature and claim it for itself - it is parasitic on our naturally evolved sense of morality.
7. Comment #364217 by ARodgers on April 14, 2009 at 11:16 am
8. Comment #364245 by gr8hands on April 14, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Lucas, all religious exegesis is "somewhat poor" and mostly sophistry.9. Comment #364249 by ANTIcarrot on April 14, 2009 at 12:32 pm
10. Comment #364286 by jamiso on April 14, 2009 at 1:26 pm
11. Comment #364296 by JonLynnHarvey on April 14, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Generally good points, but marred by a couple of significant inaccuracies.12. Comment #364317 by JRD7 on April 14, 2009 at 2:32 pm
The bible also tells the story of the good Samaritan. Another perfect example of godless morality.13. Comment #364338 by dazzjazz on April 14, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Picking morals from religion is like picking out food from the trash. Sure, you'll find something edible, and maybe even tasty, but it'll be tainted with the horrid smell of the rest of the junk. Why not just get your food fresh from nature where it came from in the first place.
14. Comment #364350 by Pythagoras on April 14, 2009 at 4:12 pm
2: (comment #1) was one of the best comments I've ever read on a forum. Brilliant!15. Comment #364352 by robaylesbury on April 14, 2009 at 4:16 pm
16. Comment #364396 by Alternative Carpark on April 14, 2009 at 6:48 pm
17. Comment #364397 by m-man on April 14, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Comment #364161 by root2squared18. Comment #364398 by Bonzai on April 14, 2009 at 6:52 pm
19. Comment #364414 by aquilacane on April 14, 2009 at 7:35 pm
20. Comment #364421 by aquilacane on April 14, 2009 at 8:10 pm
21. Comment #364423 by zero/infinity on April 14, 2009 at 8:20 pm
God is an Atheist - Therefore, we who are made in his image, should be too!22. Comment #364428 by root2squared on April 14, 2009 at 9:40 pm
23. Comment #364445 by critica on April 14, 2009 at 10:40 pm
24. Comment #364452 by Styrer- on April 14, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Comment #364445 by critica on April 14, 2009 at 10:40 pm25. Comment #364457 by jeroen on April 14, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Now if the US would invade Vatican City to spread 'Freedom' - that's something that I'd support.26. Comment #364459 by critica on April 14, 2009 at 11:49 pm
27. Comment #364461 by carbonman on April 15, 2009 at 12:00 am
28. Comment #364463 by Styrer- on April 15, 2009 at 12:09 am
Comment #364459 by critica on April 14, 2009 at 11:49 pm29. Comment #364468 by keddaw on April 15, 2009 at 1:01 am
30. Comment #364469 by tieInterceptor on April 15, 2009 at 1:01 am
Picking morals from religion is like picking out food from the trash. Sure, you'll find something edible, and maybe even tasty, but it'll be tainted with the horrid smell of the rest of the junk. Why not just get your food fresh from nature where it came from in the first place.
31. Comment #364470 by jrhind on April 15, 2009 at 1:08 am
Plato had this sorted long ago. It's called the Euthyphro Dilemma – "Is what is moral commanded by God because it is moral, or is it moral because it is commanded by God?"32. Comment #364474 by critica on April 15, 2009 at 1:37 am
33. Comment #364482 by carbonman on April 15, 2009 at 2:38 am
Plato had this sorted long ago. It's called the Euthyphro Dilemma – "Is what is moral commanded by God because it is moral, or is it moral because it is commanded by God?"
If the former than you don't require god for morality; if the latter then god's morality is arbitrary.
34. Comment #364484 by substantia on April 15, 2009 at 2:42 am
35. Comment #364486 by WilliamP on April 15, 2009 at 2:56 am
Saying that god is a necessary condition for morality sounds attractive, perhaps. But when used to justify the existence of a single god, it sounds absurd to say that the existence of morals is a sufficient condition for his existence. When there is more than one moral system in existence, for theists, it would at best indicate that there were several gods, or one incompetent god who was incapable of making uniform morals.36. Comment #364495 by Vaal on April 15, 2009 at 4:46 am
Religion has cashed in our core morality for coupons to heaven
37. Comment #364506 by friendlypig on April 15, 2009 at 5:35 am
38. Comment #364952 by Mr Embiggen on April 15, 2009 at 6:20 pm
39. Comment #365022 by Sarmatae1 on April 15, 2009 at 11:07 pm
40. Comment #365049 by IceFreak2000 on April 16, 2009 at 1:32 am
41. Comment #365091 by aquilacane on April 16, 2009 at 6:02 am
42. Comment #365092 by Steve Zara on April 16, 2009 at 6:10 am
Comment #364161 by root2squared43. Comment #365094 by Tyler Durden on April 16, 2009 at 6:11 am
44. Comment #365412 by Eric Blair on April 16, 2009 at 3:41 pm
JonLynnHarvey: A good reminder of the responsibility to be accurate and balanced - though both may suffer if the purpose is to skewer an "argument" rather than to understand a viewpoint.45. Comment #365605 by ridelo on April 17, 2009 at 1:27 am
46. Comment #365706 by PabloDF on April 17, 2009 at 8:11 am
@root2squared: I think your "food from the trash" analogy is on the way to become a sucessful meme. People are loving it in Spanish as well. One Catholic that saw it proudly told me that St. Francis of Assisi ate rotten food given to him and learned to find it tasty, and that's one of the reasons why he's a saint. What crap.47. Comment #366175 by root2squared on April 17, 2009 at 8:53 pm
One Catholic that saw it proudly told me that St. Francis of Assisi ate rotten food given to him and learned to find it tasty, and that's one of the reasons why he's a saint. What crap
48. Comment #366180 by Laurie Fraser on April 17, 2009 at 9:11 pm
49. Comment #366181 by root2squared on April 17, 2009 at 9:22 pm
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