A Modest Proposal for a Truce on Religion
If God is omniscient and omnipotent, you can't help wondering why she doesn't pull out a thunderbolt and strike down Richard Dawkins.2. Comment #11066 by James on December 3, 2006 at 2:27 am
"Now that the Christian Right has largely retreated from the culture wars..."3. Comment #11078 by goddogit on December 3, 2006 at 4:15 am
I'd get upset, but this guy is the classic ineffectual kind of cat box liner that the NYT uses to maintain its thickness, in both senses. His opinions are so trifling, yet so predictable in their method of pandering, he really should be a sportswriter.4. Comment #11108 by Johan on December 3, 2006 at 6:30 am
I once had a friend who claimed that it doesn't matter how dark it gets, your eyes will eventually get used to the new levels of light, even when there is no light at all, and you will be able to see. All my other friends and I mocked his idea saying that (which of course is obvious to any thinking person), if not a single photon hits the retina, you don't see. Period.6. Comment #11130 by denoir on December 3, 2006 at 8:49 am
People confuse tolerance and respect. Unlike religious fundamentalists atheists are quite tolerant: you won't find many non-believers advocating the stoning of believers.7. Comment #11131 by Randy Ping on December 3, 2006 at 8:49 am
Meh, this guy needs to read The Blind Watchmaker and have a big glass of "Shut the F*** up".8. Comment #11142 by Dan P on December 3, 2006 at 9:49 am
The religious right has not retreated, they are losing though and any perception of "retreat" is the result of being beaten back, the problem is that they will never surrender, expect things too get nastier and nastier as they are driven into smaller corners (expect bombs and violence, oh yeah that has happened already). Nevertheless I think they have reached the peak of their "revival", I must say I was slightly perturbed as well as amused at their slight and very brief grasp of power they enjoyed and that was enough of an "over reach" to trigger a backlash.9. Comment #11150 by Luke Mavuto on December 3, 2006 at 11:28 am
Billy Sands: There is great joke from the legendary Bill Hicks (RIP) that goes something like, "If life is a miracle, then I just spilled a million little miracles into a sock next to my bed last night." An inept attempt to quote, but you get the point. All atheists should be familiar with Hicks' work, it makes it all so much less depressing.10. Comment #11151 by Jack Rawlinson on December 3, 2006 at 11:39 am
Oh yes, wouldn't you just love it if atheists stayed nice and quiet and polite and stopped being so... well, mean by challenging your stupid, world-damaging beliefs? Wouldn't you like that so very, very much? Wouldn't that make things so much easier for you?11. Comment #11155 by Roy on December 3, 2006 at 11:44 am
"If God is omniscient and omnipotent, you can't help wondering why she doesn't pull out a thunderbolt and strike down Richard Dawkins.".... Well we all know why that is!12. Comment #11160 by Youssef51 on December 3, 2006 at 12:01 pm
Kristof's heart is in the right place. Read his columns about Darfur if you doubt it.13. Comment #11163 by milkywayinhabitant on December 3, 2006 at 12:47 pm
When I read the title of this article (Swift, anyone?), I expected it to be a funny, satirical take on the whole religious/nonreligious debate but if it is then I missed it entirely.14. Comment #11166 by milkywayinhabitant on December 3, 2006 at 12:52 pm
J,16. Comment #11333 by Anonymous on December 4, 2006 at 7:42 am
Billy,17. Comment #11369 by milkywayinhabitant on December 4, 2006 at 10:14 am
Tom,18. Comment #11377 by rationalrevolution on December 4, 2006 at 11:01 am
Re 1:20. Comment #11476 by Aussie on December 5, 2006 at 12:24 am
"... a bit fundamentalist"21. Comment #11498 by Tomboy on December 5, 2006 at 2:23 am
milkywayinhabitant,22. Comment #11512 by Dave Child on December 5, 2006 at 6:14 am
"Religious constituencies have pushed for more action on AIDS, malaria, sex trafficking and Darfur's genocide, and believers often give large proportions of their incomes to charities that are a lifeline to the neediest."23. Comment #11513 by mdowe on December 5, 2006 at 6:37 am
24. Comment #11520 by Jack Rawlinson on December 5, 2006 at 8:13 am
25. Comment #11521 by Thomas Mitchell on December 5, 2006 at 8:17 am
Billy,26. Comment #11602 by Luke Mavuto on December 5, 2006 at 10:35 pm
It is not necessarily true that atheists are smarter than theist (I actually just about changed "smarter" to "more intelligent" and then got caught in an irony spiral, jeezus) and I am always wary of over inflated egos, including my own. Atheists may be said to be more rational though. Does being rational mean you are intelligent? I don't know that they are necessarily correlative, but being unintelligent may make one more succeptable (which I tried to spell three times) to irrational beliefs. I tend to think of believers as victim in that since; uneducated folk taken advantage of by other smarter folks.27. Comment #11611 by Louis Perry on December 6, 2006 at 12:15 am
I was so happy to see Richard Dawkins' and Sam Harris' responses to Nicholas Kristof's New York Times op-ed entitled, A Modest Proposal for a Truce on Religion28. Comment #11719 by burlnuts on December 6, 2006 at 9:12 pm
In Worcester, Mass., the Dec. 5th Worcester Telegram ran this article with the title "In-your-face atheists ratchet up attacks on Christians, believers". Quite a far cry from Mr. Kristof's original title.
1. Comment #11064 by Irate Harry on December 3, 2006 at 2:14 am
"Every time I travel in the poorest parts of Africa, I see missionary hospitals that are the only source of assistance to desperate people. God may not help amputees sprout new limbs, but churches do galvanize their members to support soup kitchens, homeless shelters and clinics that otherwise would not exist".What a load of c**p. These cynical missionaries have raped Africa, Asia, and other 'desperate people'. They have spread the blight of christianity (only surpassed by despicable muslim conversions during the mughal invasions) to vulnerable people. These missionary ventures are nothing more than recruitment camps for the dreaded christian proselytisation, basically dishonest in the name of god. As I go around the countries, I see the insidious poison of mindless religion that makes the people so much more desperate.
Secular charities that go largely unsung are the real heroes.
A modest proposal? or a religious wolf in a moderate wolf's clothing?