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Thursday, July 9, 2009 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments |

Document The Ambassador for Science

by Veja Magazine

Original PDF in Portuguese
Translation by Eli Vieira and proofread by Layla Nasreddin.
by Jerônimo Teixeira, from Pirenópolis

RD in Brazil

The Englishman Richard Dawkins was drawn to biology intrigued by the great questions about the origin of life. He has become the greatest modern spokesman for Darwinism and a militant atheist. In Brazil for the first time, he even attempted to apply his naturalist side.

Richard Dawkins interrupts the interview and points his finger to the sky, where a flock of noisy birds are flying about. "Look there! Parrots!" Sober, rigorous in his answers, Dawkins sometimes shows himself to be sarcastic – particularly when he attacks his favourite target, religion – but he is not exactly a demonstrative person. His almost childlike enthusiasm for parrots and toucans – fauna he obviously cannot find at home in Oxford – may be credited to the fascination towards nature which the author conveys so well in books such as Climbing Mount Improbable and the recent The Ancestor's Tale, published in Brazil by Companhia das Letras. Dawkins, however, says he did not become a biologist because he loved animals or plants.

"I must confess I have never been a great naturalist. I have developed it through the years. My initial motivation for the study of biology was philosophical,” he says. His curiosity was aimed at what he calls "great questions": Why does life exist? How did it appear on Earth? And his answers come from a fundamental source: the thought of Charles Darwin (this one, by contrast, a born naturalist). Dawkins, 68 years old, is the greatest spokesperson for Darwinism today. But he did more than just "popularise" modern biology: since his spectacular debut with The Selfish Gene, in 1976, Dawkins has been, and this is no exaggeration, consolidating a new worldview.

Dawkins spent two weeks in Brazil. He was honoured at the meeting of the Animal Behaviour Society, which gathered researchers from 23 countries in Pirenópolis from 22 to 26 June. From there he went on a three-day trip to the Pantanal (a wetland in the extreme west of Brazil), together with other researchers who also attended the meeting. He came back marvelling at the diversity of life. "The variety of birds is spectacular. I was lucky I was accompanied by several ornithologists. I am no bird specialist," he says. Last Thursday, the day before he flew back to England, he was in Paraty to take part in a discussion about The God Delusion, his anti-religion book.

At the hotel where the ABS conference took place, Dawkins was seen constantly in the lobby, bending over his Apple notebook. He attended the lectures assiduously and attentively – he was excited after he left the University of California's Marlene Zuk's lecture about the rapid evolution of Hawaii crickets. "I studied these crickets myself in the 70's. But my research didn't yield great results," he says. The invitation for the Animal Behaviour conference gave Dawkins the chance to reconnect himself with the subject with which he began his studies in biology at Oxford at the beginning of the 60's as a student with the Dutch ethologist Niko Tinbergen, winner of the Nobel Prize in medicine in 1973. In later decades, however, he moved away from pure research in order to dedicate himself to the popularisation of science. Now retired, Dawkins held, from 1995 to 2008, the first Charles Simonyi professorship for the public understanding of science, a chair established at Oxford by a donation from the Hungarian-American Charles Simonyi, Microsoft's ex-executive and programmer. "I'm sort of an ambassador for science," Dawkins says.

Dawkins's books have always contained criticisms of religion (especially of creationists). But this crusade against faith has turned into the focal point of his activities since the publication of The God Delusion in 2006. The scientist has supported the campaign which put up advertisements on London’s famous red buses that said, "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." Always combative, the biologist does not accept any compromise that reserves distinct places for science and religion. "Unlike what many people claim, the two fields do overlap. The religious view of the universe, the idea that the universe has a creator – it is, in its way, a scientific theory, though a wrong one," he says. In Dawkins's view, therefore, promoting atheism is also a way to further his main mission: popularising science. But he is growing resentful about the controversial fame that this attack against God has given him. He regrets, for instance, that journalists generally only ask him questions about this subject.

Indeed, some people started seeing him as a maverick for a negative cause – the man who says no to God and religion. It was in this role that he was satirised, three years ago, in the always caustic cartoon South Park (his response was witty: he complained about the horrid imitation of a British accent by the actor who dubbed his animated version). Dawkins has only one positive message: the theory of evolution, unveiled by Charles Darwin in his classic 1859 book The Origin of Species. In The Selfish Gene, Dawkins found a unique way to convey the deep meaning of this process. He saw natural selection from the point of view of its basic unit, the gene. Living creatures, he argued, are nothing more than vehicles for the replication of genes by means of reproduction. This is, even today, the basic perspective of evolutionary psychology, which seeks to explain the behaviour of animals (including humans) on Darwinian grounds. "There has never been a science book like The Selfish Gene," wrote author Ian McEwan on the occasion of the book's 30th anniversary. "It triggered a gigantic change in the theory about evolution, and at the same time enticed the layman, without being condescending, and with style."

Dawkins's revolutionary point of view wasn't immediately accepted fully in the scientific arena. Superficial readers have criticised the supposed "genetic determinism" of the author. The attack against Dawkins and other biologists who did similar work – such as Edward O. Wilson at Harvard – was more ideological than strictly scientific. Left-wing critics like the geneticist Richard Lewontin, the neuroscientist Steven Rose and the palaeontologist Stephen Jay Gould displayed an automatic aversion to any suggestion that human behaviour could be influenced by genetics. "I have never understood why claiming that environmental influence surpasses that of genes was so important for Marxists. Maybe it has something to do with the belief that the human being can always be perfected," Dawkins says. The Selfish Gene at last established itself as a fundamental reference work for modern biology – and it has been followed by eight other elegant and absorbing books setting forth his explanation of evolution (a new book, The Greatest Show on Earth, is to be published this year).

His description of life from the point of view of the gene may suggest a hard and disenchanted materialism. The final lesson, however, is about a radical humanism: the human being is the only one capable of rebelling against the tyranny of their genes. "Whenever we use contraception, we are contradicting the Darwinian imperative of reproduction. And we do it in many other ways," Dawkins says. An orthodox Darwinist, Dawkins could repeat in any of his books the famous statement with which Charles Darwin ended The Origin of Species: "There is grandeur in this view of life.”

Image captions (see original PDF):

“Birds in the Pantanal
Richard Dawkins: an almost childish enthusiasm for parrots and toucans”

“The man who says no
The animated version of Dawkins in South Park: caustic satire and a horrid British accent”

“No reconciliation
Dawkins at the door of an atheist campaign bus: he thinks Charles Darwin’s (below) theory of evolution is incompatible not only with creationism, but with any other religious idea”

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1. Comment #394779 by j.mills on July 9, 2009 at 11:29 am

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An orthodox Darwinist
An unhelpful phrase. But that's all I'm prepared to nitpick about in this refreshingly sensible and informed profile.

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2. Comment #394781 by scottishgeologist on July 9, 2009 at 11:47 am

 avatarQuote:


"Dawkins at the door of an atheist campaign bus: he thinks Charles Darwin’s (below) theory of evolution is incompatible not only with creationism, but with any other religious idea”


Just been reading a blog:

http://exiledpreacher.blogspot.com/2009/05/interview-with-stuart-burgess.html

An interview with leading UK creationist Stuart Burgess

Read it and weep.....

And where did I find the link to the blog?

Why, from a leading preacher in David Robertson's church:

http://creideamh.blogspot.com/2009/06/intelligent-questions-intelligent.html

[shakes head....]

:-)
SG

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3. Comment #394784 by Steve Zara on July 9, 2009 at 11:54 am

It is hard to exaggerate the influence of "The Selfish Gene" in biology, including in public presentations of the natural world. I am old enough to remember when it seemed like almost all natural history programmes would include the phrase "for the good of the species". Richard's book was a major reason for that kind of talk being quietly forgotten.

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4. Comment #394791 by rod-the-farmer on July 9, 2009 at 12:36 pm

 avatarThank you, Layla....

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6. Comment #394793 by Lucas on July 9, 2009 at 12:42 pm

 avatarGreat article, really. Refreshing, actually.

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7. Comment #394794 by JAMCAM87 on July 9, 2009 at 12:44 pm

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Dawkins has only one positive message: the theory of evolution, unveiled by Charles Darwin in his classic 1859 book The Origin of Species


A slight mistranslation maybe? I think what it means is that although Dawkins attacks religion he also promotes science. Richard has many positive messages.

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8. Comment #394811 by Steve Wrathall on July 9, 2009 at 2:02 pm

 avatar"Militant" atheist?
Does he fly planes into buildings? Attack women with acid or hack off anyone's genitalia with a sharpened stone? Funny how when the the target is religion, the mere expression of ideas in militancy.

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9. Comment #394816 by Enlightenme.. on July 9, 2009 at 2:39 pm

 avatarVeja magazine?

I thought they were trekkies for a sec there!

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10. Comment #394819 by Layla Nasreddin on July 9, 2009 at 2:46 pm

 avatar#7 JAMCAM87
Literally, that IS what it says, and of course it's in contrast to the claims mentioned earlier in the paragraph that Dawkins is too negative. However, looking it over again, I suppose a more felicitous translation might be something like, "Dawkins does have a positive message: the theory of evolution..."

It's always hard to know how literal to be with this kind of thing -- too literal and it sounds very odd or even misleading, too loose and you might lose a lot of what was originally written, or totally miss the tone of the original author. Plus, this is a translation of a translation...

#4 rod-the-farmer
Well, don't forget Eli, the original translator!

Unfortunately, the PDF is missing the last page (as I found out when I first looked at it -- eventually we got the last page, but this is the original incomplete PDF).

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11. Comment #394822 by Spinoza on July 9, 2009 at 3:12 pm

 avatarThere is a huge difference in connotation between 'child-like' and 'childish'. I don't know why the author/translator/anyone would describe enthusiasm for "exotic" (to non-natives) living things as "childish". It seems kind of rude?

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12. Comment #394825 by j.mills on July 9, 2009 at 3:35 pm

 avatarThanks for your efforts, Layla! Oh, and Eli, whoever that is! :)

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13. Comment #394828 by HughCaldwell on July 9, 2009 at 3:46 pm

I doubt if Dawkins was showing 'entusiasmo quase infantil ', however you translate it. He just was taken with the unusual sight (for him) in the same way that the Brazilian author was surprised that someone took notice of what was banal (for him).

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14. Comment #394835 by King of NH on July 9, 2009 at 4:24 pm

 avatarRichard Dawkins has made me proud to be an atheist. But what's more, he has utterly transformed my understanding of evolution. I hope we can soon put the silliness of religion (and the need for an 'atheist' title) behind us and explore the greatest questions. I'm looking forward to [i]The Greatest Show on Earth[/i].

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15. Comment #394838 by Eli on July 9, 2009 at 4:50 pm

 avatar@Spinoza

It does sound rude in portuguese if you look for rudeness.

Maybe instead of "childish" I could have used "infantile" (the original is "infantil").

When I read it in portuguese, and portuguese is my mother language, I did thought it could be interpreted as somewhat rude. But I don't think this was what the author wanted.

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16. Comment #394840 by Eli on July 9, 2009 at 4:58 pm

 avatarOne more thing: it's not "Jerónimo", it is "Jerônimo". In Brazil we use ^ insted of ´.

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As the translator I would like to make a few more comments.

The Veja magazine is very famous in Brazil as the most read right-wing magazine.

So my first criticism to the article is that it tries to grab Dawkins to the right-wing agenda when it says the critics of the gene's eye view are all left-wing or Marxists.

The second criticism I could make as a Biologist, and I'm sure Dawkins would agree, is that too much of a priorirty is given to Dawkins, when the real father of the idea of the gene's eye view, to my knowledge, is George Williams in his "Adaptation and Natural Selection".

____________

Last but not least, I have a message do Dawkins in case he reads this:

Your 4,957 brazilian fans in the community "Richard Dawkins Brasil", at Google's orkut (a social networking website) send you best wishes. Some of them have been present in ABS meeting. We all take a great pleasure of living with you in this planet. Cheers! :)

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17. Comment #394841 by Eli on July 9, 2009 at 5:14 pm

 avatarAbout the "only one" issue, I cling to my translation.
Layla did an excellent job in her proofreading.

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18. Comment #394846 by kaiserkriss on July 9, 2009 at 5:45 pm

 avatarA BIG THANKYOU to Eli and Layla!!! jcw

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19. Comment #394853 by Enlightenme.. on July 9, 2009 at 7:07 pm

 avatarEli,
Hi, and thanks for the translation(and thanks to Layla)

"So my first criticism to the article is that it tries to grab Dawkins to the right-wing agenda when it says the critics of the gene's eye view are all left-wing or Marxists."


Richard will be quite used to that!

Long before he was criticised as being such a 'loud-mouthed' atheist, he was used to criticism from many others as being a right-winger, people who tended firstly to read into the title of 'the selfish gene' a promotion of selfishness as a positive attribute.

This mutated meme
;)
stemming comically from a misperception that the the book might be about 'the gene for selfishness' grew and grew, through the exact period of history when other similar memes such as "greed is good" (used in the film 'Wall street') and the individualistic 'Reagonomics' and 'Thatchernomics' right-wing political systems, were around.

And so eventually Richard joined the esteemed company of Darwin for being much maligned for something they never even said, and with a very similar theme.

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20. Comment #394854 by Layla Nasreddin on July 9, 2009 at 7:44 pm

 avatar#16 Eli wrote:
One more thing: it's not "Jerónimo", it is "Jerônimo". In Brazil we use ^ insted of ´.


Yes, that's right...a typo I think on my part. By the way, I'm glad you weren't offended by my proofreading! I just wanted to make it easier to understand in English.

Maybe instead of "childish" I could have used "infantile" (the original is "infantil").


"Infantile" is even worse than "childish," though. If you said that Richard Dawkins was "infantile" in any way, shape or form, he'd probably be quite insulted! "Childish" is quite a bit more insulting than "childlike" -- it implies that an adult is acting very immaturely. "Childlike," by contrast, can sometimes be used in a positive manner, as in "childlike wonder" -- which is something Dawkins has often been claimed to possess.

I suppose I should have changed it to "an almost childlike enthusiasm for parrots and toucans" -- that wouldn't be considered offensive.

About "only one," well, I suppose it depends on how you take the article's tone. You could read it as saying "he only has one positive message to go with all his negativity towards religion" (somewhat negative sounding) or "he does in fact have a positive message, in contrast to what the critics say" (more positive).

This is quite difficult and interesting! I think you can never know quite know just how subtle and difficult language can be is until you try your hand at translating something.

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21. Comment #394855 by Layla Nasreddin on July 9, 2009 at 7:53 pm

 avatarBy the way, here's the Ian McEwan article written about the 30th anniversary of The Selfish Gene. They edited the quote to come up with the version in the article, but here's the full context:

This year marks the thirtieth anniversary of the publication of Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene. There has never been a science book quite like it. Drawing on the work of a handful of scientists, it bound together genetics and Darwinian natural selection in a creative synthesis that amazed even those few who were already familiar with the concepts. It hastened a sea change in evolutionary theory, it affected profoundly the teaching of biology, it enticed an enthusiastic younger generation into the subject, and spawned a huge literature, and eventually a new discipline - memetics. At the same time, and this is the measure of its achievement, it addressed itself without condescension to the layman. It did so provocatively, and with style.


Finally, I've uploaded scans of all four pages of the story here.

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22. Comment #394863 by Alternative Carpark on July 9, 2009 at 9:38 pm

 avatarI must say that the word "childish" did stick out like a sore thumb in this, otherwise well-written piece.

It suppose it is up to Eli to judge the nuance of the original piece.

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23. Comment #394865 by Silvia on July 9, 2009 at 9:49 pm

@#8 Steve Wrathall

I don't know how ateu militante could be translated, but it certainly doesn't have the bad conotations that militant atheist has. The literal meaning is more or less the same, but if in English being militant seems to be quite a bad thing and it seems to imply violence, in Portuguese, or at least in Brazilian Portuguese, it just means you are committed to a cause and implies no violence at all. In Portuguese it is a correct statement to say Dawkins is "ateu militante". The simple fact that he wrote books defending atheism and that he made lots of lectures and went to many debates to defend his position makes him a militante, in the Portuguese sense.

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24. Comment #394870 by Roy_H on July 9, 2009 at 10:55 pm

 avatarVery interesting, Thank you Layla.
Comment #394781 by scottishgeologist on July 9, 2009 at 11:47 am Just been reading a blog:
"http://exiledpreacher.blogspot.com/2009/05/interview-with-stuart-burgess.html
An interview with leading UK creationist Stuart Burgess
Read it and weep....."
Well I tried, but I could only get half way through it. Pathetic really .
I have just had an e mail from Amazon, my copy of "Religulous" is on its way . Oh goody!

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25. Comment #394880 by astronomer24 on July 9, 2009 at 11:58 pm

 avatar"The animated version of Dawkins in South Park: caustic satire and a horrid British accent"

Has anyone seen that episode? It is funny but also a little disturbing. Mr. (or this late in the seasons, Mrs.) Garrison's explanation of evolution is hilarious. The disturbing bit of the episode comes when Dawkins has sex with the now Mrs. Garrison.

I wonder if Richard has ever watched the episode.
Edit: After looking at the wiki page it appears he has and seems to have only complained about the accent they gave him haha

well here it is if anyone cares to watch it:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103800

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26. Comment #394971 by kaiserkriss on July 10, 2009 at 8:19 am

 avatarAny translation is difficult; to express the proper nuance of certain words almost impossible even if one is bilingual in both languages.

Given the dynamic nature of languages, even words with similar roots in the original language and the translated language often mean different things. It is more important to get the meaning and ideas of the original author across than get bogged down in pedantic chicanery.

Regardless, I'm glad to see some of Richard's works are now available in Brazil (Portuguese), one of the major bastions of the Roman Catholic faith. jcw

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27. Comment #394981 by HughCaldwell on July 10, 2009 at 9:07 am

23. Comment #394865 by Silvia on July 9, 2009 at 9:49 pm I don't know how ateu militante could be translated, but it certainly doesn't have the bad conotations that militant atheist has. The literal meaning is more or less the same, but if in English being militant seems to be quite a bad thing and it seems to imply violence,
---------------------------------------------

'Militant trade unionist' and 'militant atheist' or this that or the other doesn't imply military or paramilitary violence. It just implies a confrontational style.

It also implies oppostion to the status quo. A million mad mullahs, rabid rabbis and egregious evangelicals bawling from a million pulpits would not be considered 'militant' since they represent the majority powers.

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28. Comment #394988 by YakobusRO on July 10, 2009 at 9:35 am

 avatarThat is a surprisingly good article, as good as a previous article on Darwin issued in February had been. I should be afraid that Veja would give those articles the same sensasionalistical tone they often give to politics.

The Pantanal is really amazing; it is one of the few things thak keep me really proud of my country.

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29. Comment #395049 by Thor on July 10, 2009 at 1:49 pm

 avatarOn the "militant atheist" issue I want to second what Silvia said at #23 (and Hugh at #27):

I don't know Portuguese, but I do know Spanish rather well and in Spanish a "militante" of a political party, for example, is nothing but an "activist" for this party.
It is an entirely neutral word, not necessarily connoting aggression as it does in English (and in German, my mother language).

I suspect in Portuguese, which is very close to Spanish, the meaning is the same.

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30. Comment #395112 by Patrick McArdle on July 10, 2009 at 5:21 pm

In the American version of English, "militant" does not imply violence, but passionate support. I would agree with this description of Dr. Dawkins.

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31. Comment #395290 by Border Collie on July 11, 2009 at 12:09 pm

 avatar'Militant' might not imply violence, but it almost always has a negative connotation and it's mostly associated with the political left in the US. Neither do I see Richard as a 'maverick for a negative cause' like 'some people'. I see an intelligent, passionate guy doing his thing and opening minds all over the world. If that pulls someone's hair the wrong way, tough sh*t. I'm in a bad mood. I think the 'vibes' are building up for tomorrow morning's sermon at the Screamer Baptist Church up the street. Where's my aluminum foil cone hat?

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32. Comment #395521 by sonnygll on July 12, 2009 at 10:35 am

My problem with this, is that "darwinism" isn't a real word. It's my cue that I'm going to hear something really dumb.

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33. Comment #395726 by Koko on July 13, 2009 at 1:40 am

 avatarI just read the blog posted by scottishgeologist. I got to give up reading these things. It always upsets me but it's like a car crash - you can't help but look at what these crazy people are saying. How can they ignore everything and be locked into their little world with their paltry laughable god?

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34. Comment #396168 by NicWassell on July 14, 2009 at 3:40 am

Isn't calling someone a Darwinist a bit like calling someone a Newtonian for accepting the theory of gravity?

Apologies if in fact it refers to distinguishing between different schools of evolutionary thought.

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35. Comment #396178 by epeeist on July 14, 2009 at 4:47 am

 avatarComment #394781 by scottishgeologist:
An interview with leading UK creationist Stuart Burgess
And which naughty atheist was it who stopped comments being posted?

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36. Comment #396733 by Enlightenme.. on July 15, 2009 at 11:32 am

 avatarAnother profile of Stuart Burgess:

http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/StuartBurgess

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37. Comment #397674 by Polon on July 18, 2009 at 12:03 am

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Dawkins's revolutionary point of view wasn't immediately accepted fully in the scientific arena.


Is this right?
i mean, when he wrote the selfish gene, its ideas wasn't new, right?

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38. Comment #397678 by Polon on July 18, 2009 at 12:06 am

 avatar@YakobusRO

Let me agree with you. I read this article expecting the same from Veja.

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39. Comment #400070 by AcesHigh on July 28, 2009 at 4:28 am

Whats up with the VEJA bashers here? Lets not enter into discussions about brazilian political left and right, ok?

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40. Comment #400691 by wouldbesakota on July 30, 2009 at 6:26 am

 avatarSort of on a sideline, I attended a free public lecture on evolution last spring with Marlene Zuk as one of the speakers. Absolutely enlightening lecture. I recommend her books.

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41. Comment #402864 by DrawingYou on August 6, 2009 at 12:58 am

 avatarSaying Richard is “militant” is absurd. It astounds me when fundies are offended when I take offence to their claim that I will spend eternity in hell for not believing what they believe. All I can say is Boo-F*ing-Hoo! Besides with their history of conversion by the sword and their anti-reason rhetoric I wish more scientists were militant like Richard.

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42. Comment #404776 by steveroot on August 12, 2009 at 4:03 am

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2. Comment #394781 by scottishgeologist on July 9, 2009 at 11:47 am

Just been reading a blog:

http://exiledpreacher.blogspot.com/2009/05/interview-with-stuart-burgess.html

An interview with leading UK creationist Stuart Burgess

Read it and weep.....

I did weep... tears of mirth. What a moron.
Steve

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43. Comment #404777 by Goldy on August 12, 2009 at 4:08 am

 avatarStrewth, SG!
From your link...
7. Do you believe that man evolved from an ape-like creature?
I have written a book about this question called The Origin of Man. There are enormous differences between humans and apes and I believe this makes it impossible for man to have evolved form an ape-like creature in the past. Some of the main unique features of humans are: upright stature, fine hands, fine skin, intricate facial expressions, fine language, long childhood, unique marriage and birth, unique brain, unique beauty and unique DNA.
Unique marriage? Which marriage is he referring to? The mind boggles!

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44. Comment #405323 by steveroot on August 13, 2009 at 8:15 pm

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43. Comment #404777 by Goldy on August 12, 2009 at 4:08 am

Unique marriage? Which marriage is he referring to? The mind boggles!

The one ordained by god in the time of man's innocence. Which one were you thinking of?
:-)
Steve

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45. Comment #405373 by Goldy on August 13, 2009 at 11:22 pm

 avatarSteve
*slaps forehead*
Of course!
As I recall reading Genesis, in the time of innocence, Eve was created from Adam's rib - a clone. A twin sibling, if you will.
So the unique marriage is...incestuous? Is that the real uniqueness??

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