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Atheist clubs are springing up in American high schools, warns head of US Catholic bishops
by Damian Thompson, Telegraph
Reposted from:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100012851/atheist-clubs-are-springing-up-in-american-high-schools-warns-head-of-us-catholic-bishops/
A “triumphalistic, self-righteous atheism” inspired by the work of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris is winning a following among American young people, leading to “atheist clubs” in high schools, according to Cardinal Francis George of Chicago.
The cardinal, who is President of the US Catholic Bishops’ Conference, says that unbelief among young people is more than a question of stopping going to church: it is part of a fashionable “new atheism” which is every bit as intolerant as Christian fundamentalism. He told John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter:
“In Chicago, we now have atheist clubs in high schools. We didn’t have those five years ago. Kids I would have confirmed in the eighth grade, by the time they’re sophomores in high school say they’re atheists. They don’t just stop going to church, they make a statement. I think that’s new. That’s perhaps a bit more like Europe.”
The Cardinal agreed with Allen’s suggestion that that the atheism of Dawkins and Harris was “highly evangelical”:
“Yes it is, sure. Everybody has said that, and it’s true. It’s the mirror image of a kind of fundamentalism, because it’s very restrictive in its use of reason. It’s also very triumphalistic and self-righteous.”
The Cardinal’s comments will be hard to dismiss as scaremongering. YouTube is crawling with videos by articulate, friendly American teenagers and university students proclaiming their uncompromising atheism; indeed, atheism is one of the fastest-growing movements in the 18-25 age group, casting doubt on old assumptions that the religious impulse is somehow hard-wired into the American psyche.
Yet, as Cardinal George says, there is something strongly akin to religious fundamentalism in the evangelical commitment it arouses in its adherents. He, and the whole of the American Church, must be praying that the certainty of unbelief wears off as the “new atheists” have children and face the prospect of mortality. But, as statistics from Europe indicate, this not a foregone conclusion: atheism, like any other belief system, can be passed from one generation to the next.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100012851/atheist-clubs-are-springing-up-in-american-high-schools-warns-head-of-us-catholic-bishops/
A “triumphalistic, self-righteous atheism” inspired by the work of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris is winning a following among American young people, leading to “atheist clubs” in high schools, according to Cardinal Francis George of Chicago.
The cardinal, who is President of the US Catholic Bishops’ Conference, says that unbelief among young people is more than a question of stopping going to church: it is part of a fashionable “new atheism” which is every bit as intolerant as Christian fundamentalism. He told John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter:
“In Chicago, we now have atheist clubs in high schools. We didn’t have those five years ago. Kids I would have confirmed in the eighth grade, by the time they’re sophomores in high school say they’re atheists. They don’t just stop going to church, they make a statement. I think that’s new. That’s perhaps a bit more like Europe.”
The Cardinal agreed with Allen’s suggestion that that the atheism of Dawkins and Harris was “highly evangelical”:
“Yes it is, sure. Everybody has said that, and it’s true. It’s the mirror image of a kind of fundamentalism, because it’s very restrictive in its use of reason. It’s also very triumphalistic and self-righteous.”
The Cardinal’s comments will be hard to dismiss as scaremongering. YouTube is crawling with videos by articulate, friendly American teenagers and university students proclaiming their uncompromising atheism; indeed, atheism is one of the fastest-growing movements in the 18-25 age group, casting doubt on old assumptions that the religious impulse is somehow hard-wired into the American psyche.
Yet, as Cardinal George says, there is something strongly akin to religious fundamentalism in the evangelical commitment it arouses in its adherents. He, and the whole of the American Church, must be praying that the certainty of unbelief wears off as the “new atheists” have children and face the prospect of mortality. But, as statistics from Europe indicate, this not a foregone conclusion: atheism, like any other belief system, can be passed from one generation to the next.
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Reload Comments | Back to Top | Page Numbers2. Comment #422405 by Janus on October 7, 2009 at 10:28 pm
The only thing wrong with fundamentalism is that the things its followers preach are false. If they were true, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Other Comments by Janus
3. Comment #422407 by canadaguy on October 7, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Atheism does not get passed from one generation to another. Rather there simply isn't any religious belief passed down. The atheist part happens naturally.Other Comments by canadaguy
4. Comment #422408 by Modeski on October 7, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Oh, that old canard about atheism being evangelical and fundamentalist. The thing that cracks me up is that people like Cardinal Francis George are saying that evangelising and fundamentalism is okay for them, but not for anyone else. Not that hypocrisy ever seems to bother the religious.Other Comments by Modeski
5. Comment #422409 by mdowe on October 7, 2009 at 10:33 pm
... atheism is one of the fastest-growing movements in the 18-25 age group ...
It is heartening to see that sometimes kids really can turn out to be much smarter than their parents.
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6. Comment #422410 by MondSemmel on October 7, 2009 at 10:35 pm
It's really quite amusing that this articles seems to consider the word "atheist" as some kind of insult.I also don't understand at all how Catholics, of all people, could possibly see Europe as some kind of negative example - do they not know where the Vatican is? I know "Europe! Socialism! Communism! Marxism! Scary!" is a popular talking point among Republicans in the health care debate but still...
But really, the Bishop says it best: “It’s the mirror image of a kind of fundamentalism, because it’s very restrictive in its use of reason. It’s also very triumphalistic and self-righteous.”
If only he were able to understand the irony of his own words applied to his own religion...
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7. Comment #422412 by The Hogfather on October 7, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Well speaking personally I look forward to my daily dose of 'intolerent, highly evangelical, fundamentalist' New Atheism. Ha! It's absurd really, but then again these are the kind of things you have to say when you have no other argument in your armoury. Other Comments by The Hogfather
8. Comment #422414 by Crazycharlie on October 7, 2009 at 10:45 pm
I think we're all having an effect on young people! Though I'm going to let my daughter make up her own mind about religion when she gets old enough,(she's only 16 months old), I'll definitely encourage and educate her in science, free thought and comparative religion as she grows up & hope for the best. If she does end up an unbeliever, faith-heads like "Cardinal" Francis will, of course, always say I indoctrinated her into "militant" atheism. Other Comments by Crazycharlie
9. Comment #422415 by rod-the-farmer on October 7, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Woo hoo. Personally, I infect unsuspecting non-atheists with the "secret handshake". By the time they realise what has happened, I am long gone. Other Comments by rod-the-farmer
10. Comment #422416 by Joe Fogey on October 7, 2009 at 10:54 pm
It may be the mirror image of a kind of fundamentalism, because it’s very restrictive in its use of reason. It may also be very triumphalistic and self-righteous.But is it strident?
Is it shrill?
If not, why not?
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11. Comment #422419 by Crazycharlie on October 7, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Rod-- You know we're supposed keep the secret handshake secret! Don't talk about it on a public forum like this! Save it for our next Atheist New World Order conference meeting. Other Comments by Crazycharlie
12. Comment #422420 by 100meters on October 7, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Hmmm...let me see...
1) I have a book in my hand which has ALL the answers to EVERY question.
2) My beliefs are totally correct, and yours are completely in error.
3) I know this is true because so many believe it, and because I feel it in my heart.
4) I know exactly what the future holds, down to the last predicted iota.
But you Freethinkiers are SO self-righteous!!!
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Gee, why did that fellow give me such a funny handshake a moment ago...and why am I suddenly thinking so clearly...hmmm.
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13. Comment #422421 by Kiwi on October 7, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Other people have done this so I thought I would have a go to see how it looks. I find it quite amusing.
A “triumphalistic, self-righteous heliocentrism” inspired by the work of Galileo is winning a following among American young people, leading to “heliocentrist clubs” in high schools, according to Cardinal Francis George of Chicago.
The cardinal, who is President of the US Catholic Bishops’ Conference, says that unbelief in an Earth centered universe among young people is more than a question of stopping going to church: it is part of a fashionable “new heliocentrism” which is every bit as intolerant as Christian fundamentalism. He told John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter:
“In Chicago, we now have heliocentrist clubs in high schools. We didn’t have those five years ago. Kids I would have confirmed in the eighth grade, by the time they’re sophomores in high school say they’re heliocentrists. They don’t just stop going to church, they make a statement. I think that’s new. That’s perhaps a bit more like Europe.”
The Cardinal agreed with Allen’s suggestion that that the heliocentrism of Galileo was “highly evangelical”:
“Yes it is, sure. Everybody has said that, and it’s true. It’s the mirror image of a kind of fundamentalism, because it’s very restrictive in its use of reason. It’s also very triumphalistic and self-righteous.”
The Cardinal’s comments will be hard to dismiss as scaremongering. YouTube is crawling with videos by articulate, friendly American teenagers and university students proclaiming their uncompromising heliocentrism; indeed, heliocentrism is one of the fastest-growing movements in the 18-25 age group, casting doubt on old assumptions that the Earth centred impulse is somehow hard-wired into the American psyche.
Yet, as Cardinal George says, there is something strongly akin to religious fundamentalism in the evangelical commitment it arouses in its adherents. He, and the whole of the American Church, must be praying that the certainty of heliocentrism wears off as the “new heliocentrists” have children and face the prospect of space travel. But, as statistics from Europe indicate, this not a foregone conclusion: heliocentrism, like any other belief system, can be passed from one generation to the next.
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14. Comment #422422 by Koreman on October 7, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Con artists are warning. Other Comments by Koreman
15. Comment #422424 by j.mills on October 7, 2009 at 11:22 pm
it’s very restrictive in its use of reason.Yes, what are we like? Constantly insisting that the conclusions of reasoning are only valid if applied to things that exist.
In Chicago, we now have atheist clubs in high schools. We didn’t have those five years ago."In Galilee we now have christian worship groups. We didn't have those five years ago." - Roman Senator Madeupus, 50AD.
THINGS CHANGE, Cardinal, despite the best efforts of cardinals...
The Cardinal’s comments will be hard to dismiss as scaremongering.It's scaremongering. There, wasn't hard at all.
Not a word is the cardinal reported to have said that addressed the question of whether atheists are right. Fight on any ground except where the battle is...
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16. Comment #422426 by Sci_Guy_Bri on October 7, 2009 at 11:29 pm
I never got the phrase "new atheism". I always just thought of it that atheism is gaining in popularity, but it's always been about asking questions... There's nothing new about that.It is ridiculous to hear religious leaders use phrases like "highly evangelical" in a negative way (hypocrites), and it's frustrating to hear them try to imply that it's "very restrictive in its use of reason". Ok Cardinal, let's get to the real reason. You'll say and justify whatever you have to to get stupid people to do your bidding.
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17. Comment #422427 by shemp333 on October 7, 2009 at 11:31 pm
The children will lead the way. Other Comments by shemp333
18. Comment #422428 by Sally Luxmoore on October 7, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Thank you, Cardinal Francis George for helping atheism along. More publicity!
This is probably better than a week's worth of bus ads - and cheaper too.
If even the cardinals are shouting atheism aloud, more and more people will get to hear of it and it will become harder and harder for churchgoers to pretend it's not happening.
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19. Comment #422431 by Bernard Hurley on October 7, 2009 at 11:42 pm
it’s very restrictive in its use of reason.
Well, speaking personally, I find that reason tends to restrict me to reasonable arguments, reasonable opinions and reasonable beliefs.
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20. Comment #422433 by HourglassMemory on October 7, 2009 at 11:58 pm
"Kids I would have confirmed in the eighth grade, by the time they’re sophomores in high school say they’re atheists."This made me think "haha" in my head.
It seems one tide is winning.
Young people rule!
Now all we need is atheist clubs in kindergardens and the religious tide will have even more difficulty.
Well, not really, you don't need atheist clubs in kindergarden, you don't really need to preach 'non-belief' in kindergarden or to kids.
Non-belief isn't something that's "preached".
All you need is to remove religion from a person's early life.
If you have them live a secular early life it then becomes hardER to become religious. At least that's what I assume.
Because they would grow up without that thought in their minds that their stability of mind depends on these thought-experiments about a Jesus or a Mohamed, or even a metaphysics that cares for them.
I was raised in a totally non religious home, it never occurred to me to seek out these religions, ever, ever. I never thought. I need the guy who created the universe to care for me. That just seemed so, so unreasonable.
People who did believe in a Jesus and so on...I felt very uncomfortable near them, I still do. They're just weird.
I'm glad religious people will now be aware that when they say they're religious, that they have these beliefs in a Jesus or something like that, they're gonna have that "side-look" from fellow classmates.
For kids in high-school, stuff like that does have influence.
Let there be more atheist clubs!
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21. Comment #422434 by Net on October 8, 2009 at 12:00 am
hi,i'm in australia so i don't know who this bishop guy is. is he a single, old man who live in the luxury of a palace, and gets everything done for him except to have his arse wiped? a guy who, unlike the youngerst he talks about, never has to catch public transport, and queue up for almost everything? a guy just a little afraid that his lifestyle of prestige, position, and power, based entirely on a myth, is finally being rejected by a generation who would rather put their energies into facing reality, and demanding evidence for the important things in life? perhaps someone could tell me if this is the guy.
net
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22. Comment #422437 by InfuriatedSciTeacher on October 8, 2009 at 12:10 am
Bernard>I know, it's so damned unreasonable of all of us to demand that others actually use reason to make and support their points. How intolerant of other epistemologies.
On a disturbing (to me) side note, I was actually told this last night in a doctoral class, in a discussion of nature of science rather than religion. Apparently, the speaker felt the the restriction to empirical evidence and rational thought as opposed to including intuitive "evidence" keeps people out of science. No doubt my rampant scientism prevents me from understanding that there was a legitimate point in all that, apart from the fact that under-represented groups shouldn't be.
net> Not sure on the palace (we're a bit short on those over here), per se, but you have him pegged otherwise.
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23. Comment #422438 by SRWB on October 8, 2009 at 12:23 am
I wish that we could get through to people just by resorting to a secret handshake! Trying to reason with them just doesn't seem to be working!Other Comments by SRWB
24. Comment #422439 by Quine on October 8, 2009 at 12:33 am
So, we Atheist parents are passing it down to our kids by not telling them unsubstantiated myths as truth? Isn't it the job of the 'good' Cardinal to try to sell them that snake oil himself? Other Comments by Quine
25. Comment #422441 by jamiso on October 8, 2009 at 12:36 am
Catholics... People who baptise babies into a religion, that the baby is not even old enough to know it exists.....Then indoctrinate said baby for the rest of its life using fear as their main tool. After said baby grows up, demand process be repeated with their children.
are complaining about "evangelical" atheist clubs, started by kids on their own free will, and own idea, so they can hang out and meet.
oh the irony.....
as for "new atheism"... I prefer atheism classic.
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26. Comment #422446 by digibud on October 8, 2009 at 12:59 am
Fundamentalist: "Believe as I believe or you go to hell for eternity after I kill you"Atheist: "Personally I don't believe in god but each to their own as long as you don't want to kill me..."
Somehow I sense a difference...it's hard to pin it down...
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27. Comment #422449 by A on October 8, 2009 at 1:10 am
I would love to raise some profound epistemological point about Cardinal Francis George's views, but . . .It really needs no more than to point out that this costumed and superstitious silly old clown is - necessarily by the nature of his trade - not someone you should really be taking seriously on matters to do with either school children or reason.
He may not share his fellow cleric's hungry enthusiasm for sodomy and child rape, but he appears at ease with lifting the frock of 'reason' and asking it to pick up the theological soap.
I am forced to put him on my 'superstitious fucking idiots' list.
Right, now I am off to a strident fundamentalist atheist meeting - did I say 'meeting' - I meant to say 'rally'.
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28. Comment #422452 by prettygoodformonkeys on October 8, 2009 at 1:27 am
Really?( ? )
Young people?
(Hmmph)
Atheist clubs?
(Hmph. Hmph. Hee)
Springing up all over?
(Hee hee! giggle! giggle!)
"Fastest-growing movement"?
(Haaaa hahahahahah! Haha! Haha!)
Oh, yes, that's a terrible problem.
What will we - do?
(WooHoo! A Hahahahaha ha ha ha
ha Ha Ha Ha HAHA!)
*snort*
*gasp*
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
(edited for more HA's)
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29. Comment #422453 by prolibertas on October 8, 2009 at 1:28 am
"It is part of a fashionable new atheism"Hear that? We're fashionable!
"That’s perhaps a bit more like Europe."
What, you mean that place that kicks America's ass in every measure of societal health and happiness?
"There is something strongly akin to religious fundamentalism in the evangelical commitment it arouses in its adherents".
Oh how dare we say that it's a good idea for people to be reasonable.
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30. Comment #422456 by RightWingAtheist on October 8, 2009 at 1:38 am
"Atheism:
It's big in Europe!"
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31. Comment #422460 by asupcb on October 8, 2009 at 1:54 am
If I were still attending university I would probably start one of these clubs in order to oppose the religious clubs which are the largest clubs at my alma mater. (The Southern Baptist club is 300 active members strong.) I'm 25 and (unfortunately by accident of birth) a former Southern Baptist. But of course I'm gay so I guess I was going to hell anyway. No loss for them here ;)Other Comments by asupcb
32. Comment #422462 by mmurray on October 8, 2009 at 1:57 am
What, you mean that place that kicks America's ass in every measure of societal health and happiness?
No he means that place the US saved from the fascists, then the communists and now the atheists.
Michael
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33. Comment #422464 by NewEnglandBob on October 8, 2009 at 2:03 am
The cardinal is so sad.His scam is up.
Young people see his bullshit for what it is.
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34. Comment #422465 by SnapperLaFleur on October 8, 2009 at 2:05 am
Oh No! Not free thought in public schools! Quick, we need more brainwashing! Or maybe we should turn to fear and intimidation! Other Comments by SnapperLaFleur
35. Comment #422466 by KRKBAB on October 8, 2009 at 2:05 am
So now we're "aroused adherants"! I'm "arousedly adhering" to not drinking the cool-aid. It boggles the mind.Other Comments by KRKBAB
36. Comment #422467 by alessamendes on October 8, 2009 at 2:15 am
Raised as a Catholic, I was ashamed of my "unbelief" until Richard Dawkins basically said, "It's okay to think". I'm happy for the teenagers who have found that kind of freedom so early in life... and now that they don't have to worry about pleasing a god, hopefully they can turn their attention to other, more productive things. Other Comments by alessamendes
37. Comment #422468 by dumbcountryhick on October 8, 2009 at 2:24 am
"... atheism is one of the fastest-growing movements in the 18-25 age group ..."Let us hope that most of these people are serious about this and not just using atheism as an outlet for rebellion.
Kids are well known for reverting back to the ways of their parents when they finally 'grow up'.
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38. Comment #422471 by Inferno on October 8, 2009 at 2:57 am
YouTube is crawling with videos by articulate, friendly American teenagers
Oh no! Look out!
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39. Comment #422474 by EvidenceOnly on October 8, 2009 at 3:02 am
The delusional cardinal is flat wrong. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief based on a lack of evidence.Anything not based on verifiable falsifiable evidence is superstition and as it turns out the superstitions most damaging to mankind are religions.
Everyone has the right to be delusional and believe in any form of superstition but when anyone wants to impose his/her superstition on society then we have to protect our freedoms and be vocal.
I respect every person but I disrespect all superstitions.
It is time to stop walking on egg shells around all religions.
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40. Comment #422475 by DreamDevil on October 8, 2009 at 3:03 am
Just out of curiosity.... what does one actually DO at an atheist club? Sit around and NOT worship/pray?Other Comments by DreamDevil
41. Comment #422478 by King of NH on October 8, 2009 at 3:19 am
I missed my calling. It would be far easier to be a Cardinal. I would never really need to think.
""In Galilee we now have christian worship groups. We didn't have those five years ago." - Roman Senator Madeupus, 50AD."
Thank you j.mills. That was funny.
DreamDevil: I agree and disagree. I think it would be better to name such a group a secular club, a reason club, a skeptic club... An atheist club would have a short agenda. "All those who believe in a god, yea. [silence] Meeting ajourned." But I do think they probably just get together to find company in a nation that is growing hatred toward them for thinking. That's a good thing. Community is even good for theists; it keeps some of them on the more moderate, less desperate side.
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42. Comment #422479 by AfraidToDie on October 8, 2009 at 3:27 am
Is it just wishful thinking, or is the tide really turning fast toward reason and away from irrational theism? Is it just a dent, or perhaps the start of an exponential groundswell? Ideas can now be shared rapidly with the Intenet, which leads me to believe the latter. Other Comments by AfraidToDie
43. Comment #422480 by mmurray on October 8, 2009 at 3:29 am
I think it would be better to name such a group a secular club, a reason club, a skeptic club..
But remember this is high school. Which is going to be more
Michael
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44. Comment #422487 by Sarmatae1 on October 8, 2009 at 4:34 am
leading to “atheist clubs” in high schools
I wonder in these clubs, do the students sit around and not talk about religion at all or do they openly talk of religion as they would rationally scrutinize any other subject or just involve themselves with activities that are not inherently religious?
An old point here but, ala Hitchens, I imagine that even theistic clubs are very nearly atheistic clubs, with the exception that theistic clubs would rationally scrutinize and criticize all other religions save one. Does it bother the cardinal that atheistic clubs merely go that one religion further?
Yet, as Cardinal George says, there is something strongly akin to religious fundamentalism in the evangelical commitment it arouses in its adherents.
So atheism is akin fundamental religion, hmmm. First off, I don't know why but I am having a hard time equating someone like Richard to someone like Jerry Falwell. I can't really chalk that wholly up to Richards likability factor either. I am leaning toward the cardinal being full of shit there, but that's just my opinion.
As for myself, do I have an almost evangelical commitment to atheism. Naaa, I don't think so, I am an atheist simply because there are such a thing as theists. If it weren't for theism I wouldn't give atheism any thought at all. I don't "adhere" to anything like an atheist belief system. I have been placed by theists into an imaginary philosophical position in opposition to their own, that I myself do not imagine. As the great philosopher Jerome Lester Horwitz once said "I'm a victim of soy-cumstance"
atheism, like any other belief system, can be passed from one generation to the next.
"Atheism like any other belief system". I am having a problem taking this assertion as true. Is atheism "like any other belief system"? Is atheism a "belief system" at all? I would certainly agree that atheists have "beliefs". But I have a logical point of contention that those "beliefs" are based in any way in an atheist belief. Simply doesn't logically follow really that a lack of belief is labeled as a belief. I think the cardinals comment is probably due to a lack of being able to think outside of a theistic box.
Also I would agree with another poster here. Can you pass on atheistic belief? Or is that simply not passing on theistic belief. Can someone be passing on beliefs to children by not passing on beliefs?
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45. Comment #422490 by Sarmatae1 on October 8, 2009 at 4:46 am
Sorry to post off topic but I came across this youtube of Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking singing and thought it was brilliant. Thought I would share it with any who may not have caught it. This video should have an article on RD.net itself.Click here
Well not completely off topic as this is an articulate, friendly youtube video.
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46. Comment #422493 by Alternative Carpark on October 8, 2009 at 5:32 am
Nothing is more "un-cool" than religion. Surely most American teenagers know this? Other Comments by Alternative Carpark
47. Comment #422494 by passutoba on October 8, 2009 at 5:33 am
'it’s very restrictive in its use of reason.'yes cardinal, that's right, real evidence and empiricism are so tiresome aren't they? And don't you REALLY believe the cheap red and stale wafers become the body and blood? Now thats what i call reason!
Also noted the interesting use of language by the journo.....'youtube is crawling with videos..' sounds negative.
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48. Comment #422497 by Jack Rawlinson on October 8, 2009 at 5:40 am
Awww, the poor cardinal is scared of the "fundamentalist" atheists. Poor cardinal needs to pray harder, I think. That'll make him feel better.It's great that more young people are atheists. That's the future, right there. I hope I live to be enough of an old fart to see it.
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49. Comment #422503 by sbooder on October 8, 2009 at 6:11 am
Oooh, the irony is too funny, please make the Cardinal stop, I can't laugh any more. Other Comments by sbooder
50. Comment #422505 by blakjack on October 8, 2009 at 6:23 am
Quote from Net:"i'm in australia so i don't know who this bishop guy is. is he a single, old man who live in the luxury of a palace, and gets everything done for him except to have his arse wiped?"
Is this fellow on record as having said that he actually has to do it himself? For all we know, there might be a position of "Official Wiper of the Arse" within the Bishop's Empire.
Jack
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