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Sunday, October 25, 2009 | Science : Commentary | print version Print | Comments |

Document The Fact of Evolution

by Daniel Dennett, Philip Kitcher, NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/books/review/Letters-t-THEFACTOFEVO_LETTERS.html

Letters: Scientists Respond to Our Review of Richard Dawkins’s ‘Greatest Show on Earth’
Nicholas Wade chides Richard Dawkins in his review of “The Greatest Show on Earth” (Oct. 11) for getting “his knickers in a twist” over contemporary creationism, a worldwide campaign of disinformation on which millions of dollars are being spent annually. What would it take to get Nicholas Wade’s knickers in a twist? The claim that condoms don’t prevent the spread of HIV? Or does religious faith excuse any evil deed? If geologists had to confront a similar propaganda campaign against plate tectonics, they would get a little testy too, I imagine, and physicists might grow impatient if they had to devote half their professional time and energy to fending off claims that quantum mechanics is the work of the devil.

What is going on at The New York Times? Why is it so bizarrely respectful of those who doubt evolution? In recent years The Times has published three preposterous Op-Ed articles by evolution-doubters (Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, Michael J. Behe and Senator Sam Brownback). These no more deserved space in The Times than the opinions of flat-earthers or trance-­channelers. In the wake of Judge John E. Jones III’s decision in the Dover, Pa., case that intelligent design is a religious viewpoint that may not be taught in public schools, one would think The Times would finally recognize that the intelligent design campaign is a hoax and dishonest to the core, and stop giving it respectability in its pages.

DANIEL DENNETT
North Andover, Mass.
The writer is the author of “Breaking the Spell” and “Darwin’s Dangerous Idea.”
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To the Editor:

In his review of “The Greatest Show on Earth,” Nicholas Wade charges that Richard Dawkins is guilty of a philosophical error. According to Wade, philosophers of science divide scientific propositions into three types — facts, laws and theories — and, contrary to Dawkins’s assertions, evolution, which is plainly a systematic theory, cannot count as a fact. However, contemporary philosophy of science offers a vastly more intricate vocabulary for thinking about the sciences than that presupposed in Wade’s oversimplified taxonomy and in his confused remarks about “absolute truth.” Although philosophers may quarrel with aspects of Dawkins’s arguments on a range of issues, he has a far firmer and more subtle understanding of the philosophical issues than that manifested in Wade’s review.

The crucial point is that, as Dawkins appreciates, the distinction between theory and fact, in philosophical discussions as in everyday speech, can be drawn in two quite distinct ways. On the one hand, theories are conceived as general systems for explanation and prediction, while facts are specific reports about local events and processes. On the other hand, “theory” is used to suggest that there is room for reasonable doubt, whereas “fact” suggests something so amply confirmed by the evidence that it may be accepted without debate.

Opponents of evolution slide from supposing that evolution is a theory, in the first sense, to concluding that it is (only) a theory, in the second. Any such inference is fallacious, in that many systematic approaches to domains of natural phenomena — like the understanding of chemical reactions in terms of atoms and molecules, and the study of heredity in terms of nucleic acids — are so well supported that they count as facts (in the second sense). Many scientists and philosophers who have written about evolution have pointed out that the contemporary theory that descends from Darwin has the same status — it, too, should count as a “fact.” Dawkins is entirely justified in following them.

PHILIP KITCHER
New York
The writer is the John Dewey professor of philosophy at Columbia University and a former editor in chief of Philosophy of Science, the journal of the Philosophy of Science Association.


Letters: Scientists Respond to Our Review of Richard Dawkins’s ‘Greatest Show on Earth’


By Elsa Dixler

The review by Nicholas Wade, a science reporter for The Times, of Richard Dawkins’s “Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution” (Oct. 11) drew an unusually large number of letters to the editor. And an unusually large number of those came from readers who identified themselves as scientists or philosophers. Because we had room for just two responses on the letters page of the issue of Oct. 25, we thought it only fair to our credentialed correspondents to present their comments here. —Elsa Dixler

To the Editor:
Since Nicholas Wade, in his review of “The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution,” by Richard Dawkins (Oct. 11), has accorded to us philosophers of science the role of arbiters in deciding on the “cognitive structure of science,” let me suggest that it’s Wade who has gotten his knickers in a twist and not Richard Dawkins.
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1. Comment #426554 by j.mills on October 25, 2009 at 5:31 pm

 avatarReading all the letters on the second link creates even more rivalry over the 'correct' categorisation of evolution as 'theory' or 'fact'. But at least Wade's unhelpful confusions are under attack.

Richard Gallagher's letter (2nd to last) displays a desire for Mystery and Something Extra that might justify his profession: psychiatry.
Even with the human brain the product of evolution, for an ape to become an artist, let alone an amateur cosmologist, remains to a high degree inexplicable. Religious myth, properly understood, and dogmas are as plausible an explanation of this quantum leap forward as any scientistic one available.
You could be forgiven for thinking that he'd rather not know...

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2. Comment #426559 by crusader234 on October 25, 2009 at 5:44 pm

 avatarif i hold a loaded gun to your head i could say the theory of "if i pull the trigger the gun will discharge" is just a "theory"....
i find great comfort in the integrity of Darwins fact of evolution by natural selective processes.... creationism and the like is nothing more than intellectually flabby callow piffle.

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3. Comment #426563 by Gon on October 25, 2009 at 5:57 pm

 avatarI'm no philosopher but fact, as Dawkins uses it (and how courts use it too), is what evolution is. If evolution isn't a fact, then what can it be? You can't say that it's not fact it's theory because in science it's not theory vs fact. Theory explains how a bunch o facts make sense. The theory of evolution is the idea that explains how a bunch of facts (things that evolve) make sense.
Plus, it's not science if it's not testable. Religious myths aren't "as plausible an explanation" because you can't test them. Even a proper understandind of myth (metaphor or something) won't do, because that would never be precise... and science at it's core is literal. It really tries to get real knowledge from the world.

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4. Comment #426569 by Spinoza on October 25, 2009 at 6:37 pm

 avatarThe theory of evolution as a body of theoretical explanation is not, itself, a fact. That would be absurd.

What is meant by 'evolution is fact' is the same thing that is meant by 'gravity is a fact', regardless of whether Newton (or Einstein for that matter) got the explanation of the details exactly correct or not.

That 'things evolve' is no longer questionable, and counts among the facts of the theory.

I think that's how a philosopher of science could put it for a lay-audience.

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5. Comment #426572 by Jos Gibbons on October 25, 2009 at 6:53 pm

Why is this so hard? Evolution per se happens, so it's a fact. The history of life on Earth being one of gradual evolution, which is not exclusively adaptive but is due to natural selection where it is, and which exemplifies common ancestry and speciation as the cause of biodiversity - THAT is the theory bit.

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6. Comment #426574 by Gon on October 25, 2009 at 6:54 pm

 avatarMore simple:
Evolution is the fact explained by the theory of evolution. Please creotard... notice that this means theory and fact are diferent and the difference is obvious in the first statement. Now... go to museums and see the facts. The theory bit you can learn reading a good book or seeing a good lecture.

We all now what happens next.

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7. Comment #426593 by Pilot22A on October 25, 2009 at 7:38 pm

This is exactly why religion and science won't, and can't, ever reconcile.

Religion is silly nonsense generated in people's minds; science is everything else that occurs, with or without people.

If people would read Coyne's book, with open minds, we would not have Creationism and Intelligent Design to content with.

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8. Comment #426601 by Follow Peter Egan on October 25, 2009 at 8:13 pm

 avatarBravo Daniel et al.

Nice to see some heavyweights backing up what we said about the article on here at the time.

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9. Comment #426621 by debridement on October 25, 2009 at 9:19 pm

 avatar6. Comment #426574 by Gon
Ha!
#2:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Creotard

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10. Comment #426637 by Russell Blackford on October 25, 2009 at 9:56 pm

Great letter by Daniel Dennett - but I especially liked seeing Philip Kitcher weigh in with some good sense. For my money, Kitcher is the leading philosopher of science out there. It's good to see him confirm that Richard got it right and that Wade is barking up the wrong tree.

Kitcher is also an atheist, but a relatively conciliatory one in that he is quite fond of liberal, non-literalist kinds of religion; it's not like he's somebody whom you'd expect to take Richard's side automatically on every argument, as he hints himself. That makes the letter carry even more weight.

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11. Comment #426729 by Paine on October 26, 2009 at 1:55 am

Wow! Those two pages are a virtual gang rape of Wade!

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12. Comment #426737 by RightWingAtheist on October 26, 2009 at 2:34 am

 avatarLet's examine the Nicholas Wade method of confusing scientific terms with casual language.

Army ants are spineless, therefore they are cowards and you can go poke at a bunch of them without fear.

Lions are cats, so a lion would make good company for your grandmother.

The word "disease" was adapted from French terms meaning "without comfort", so if your doctor says you have cancer, just get fluffier pillows and maybe buy some new shoes to make yourself feel better.

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13. Comment #426777 by jeroen on October 26, 2009 at 8:00 am

I like the suggestion of one letter-writer to speak of the 'law of evolution' just as we do about gravity.

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14. Comment #427390 by DrawingYou on October 27, 2009 at 7:29 pm

 avatarI am so glad to see this article refuted (especially by the esteemed Daniel Dennett) when I read this article I wanted to leave a comment but there wasn't a comment section to do so. Kudos to you Danniel.

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15. Comment #428224 by mummymonkey on October 30, 2009 at 10:50 am

I've always been confused about this. Organisms evolve, we've seen it happen, science has recorded it and no one of any standing disputes it. Therefore how can evolution be anything other than a fact?

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