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Special Investigation - 20th Century Killers

NonStampCollector - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZr-JZYctvA&feature=sub

Stick with it--- there is a point! ___________________Very glad to get this one out at last. No way will it be as popular as others, but I feel like it's something that needs to be said.

Please note: this video is NOT about whether the German leader was or was not a Christian, atheist, Hindu, or Buddhist. (I will disguise his name herein to avoid censorship by certain European governments). Please don't argue about whether or not A.Hhtlrr was, or was not, a Christian on this video. Please don't miss my point that much, I'll be depressed that all my work was for nothing.
I chucked this idea away several times before finally making it, because any video or statement that deals with A.Hhhtlrr and religiosity, usually descends into a futile argument throwing around quotes claiming that he both was, and wasn't a Christian, when the truth is IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL. He was a frigging NAZI !!! Isn't that enough?!

The point of this video is that religion, or lack of it, had NOTHING TO DO WITH these three terrible men's actions.

Sincerest thanks to youtuber redFISTofEUROPE for sharing his knowledge about the European leaders with me over several Skype sessions.
http://www.youtube.com/redfistofeurope
Other research was mainly done on Wikipedia, which I know is not the most scholarly source, but really all that I had ready access to. I'm confident that the factual historical content of the video is accurate, and hope that even if some inaccuracies are in there, the point is still made.

The squirrel thing is a reference to the Will Ferrel movie Anchorman. Epic movie.

Note to apologists and fundamentalists who still don't get it: for the millionth time-- the German, Russian, and Cambodian tyrants did not believe in kinestheology, pixies, the Loch Ness Monster, Amun-Ra, Osiris, the Spaghetti Monster, or any other entity that has been proposed and pushed with no supporting evidence. Maybe if you watch this video about a million times, their true motivations for their terrible acts will begin to become apparent to you. They have more to do with things that they DID believe, rather than things they DIDN'T believe, -- is that such a stretch that you can't get your head around it?

Stop claiming that disbelief in your deity caused them to do terrible evil deeds. How arrogant can you be?
Knock it off.

You'll see these characters again soon. Special Investigation 2 has been written, waiting to only be recorded, and to have the pictures from this video recycled! Woo Hoo! How's that for forward planning!

In fact the suits in this one were recycled from 'A Personal Relationship With Jesus', but I fixed them up and got the size of the head right in this one, unlike the pin-heads in the other one!
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I've finished my Masters at last! I handed in my final paper just 3 days ago, and this video is my way of celebrating it. Finally I'll be able to get videos out hopefully a bit quicker than Ive been managing. Thanks for your support. NSC

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1. Comment #428320 by Mitch Kahle on October 30, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Hitler was undeniably a wacked-out Christian; a victim of childhood indoctrination (aka child abuse).

No apologies for the genocide; he was definitely a monster, but there's no doubt Hitler was a product of his upbringing in a Christian society responsible for bringing the man to power.

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2. Comment #428321 by TIKI AL on October 30, 2009 at 4:52 pm

I could show that video to my Catholic and Mormon next-door neighbors here in Arizona 10 times, and they would still believe that the killings were due to atheism, and that the video proved it.

Generational brainwashing is forever.

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3. Comment #428325 by Border Collie on October 30, 2009 at 5:03 pm

I remember being a little kid during the Cold War and the preachers, teachers, parents, all the important people in a little kid's life, singing the same tune about how the evils of Communism were a direct result of atheism. Of course, it had simply nothing to do with pathological people coming to power and ruling, as power-hungry pathogens do.

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4. Comment #428334 by Richard Dawkins on October 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm

My worry is that the people who really need to get the message will be too stupid to realise that the "all in the name of atheism" at the end is satire.

Richard

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5. Comment #428335 by TIKI AL on October 30, 2009 at 5:34 pm

Border Collie @ 3: I was force fed the same routine. And "bless" the Knights of Columbus for pressuring Eisenhower into putting "under God" into the pledge to futher distance us from the evil commie atheists.

My back still hurts from all of the lame "duck 'n cover" drills.

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6. Comment #428336 by Adrian Bartholomew on October 30, 2009 at 5:41 pm

4. Comment #428334 by Richard Dawkins on October 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm
My worry is that the people who really need to get the message will be too stupid to realise that the "all in the name of atheism" at the end is satire.

Folks that far down the rabbit hole are probably lost forever.

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7. Comment #428339 by DNR on October 30, 2009 at 5:53 pm

Sacha Baron Cohen's character "Borat" comes to mind in watching this. This video will probably be just as misunderstood as Borat.

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8. Comment #428344 by TIKI AL on October 30, 2009 at 6:06 pm

I agree with Richard that many godbots are too stupid to catch the satire, and that some will even come away with the opposite message.

I'm also with Adrian that it probably doesn't matter because they are too brainwashed and under too much constant family pressure to change anyway.

Too far "down the rabbit hole" describes my Catholic and Mormon neighbors to a T.

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9. Comment #428346 by Andrew Brown on October 30, 2009 at 6:21 pm

One thing I liked was they didn't score the cheap point of the fact that both Hitler and Pol Pot recieved a Catholic education and Stalin attended a seminary. (I'll just do it for them!!!)

They stuck to refuting the false charge, rather than attacking the faith heads. Don't misunderstand me this isn't some a***dationist hand wringing but more in terms of keeping the message relatively simple.

I do tend to agree with Richard though, that those who most need to get the message simply won't as it would scramble too many synapses!!!

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10. Comment #428350 by Quine on October 30, 2009 at 6:42 pm

I am afraid this is the kind of thing that only works on those who already know the answer. Most operate under the delusion that "God fearing" men would not do these bad things, therefore, it is vital that Atheists be kept from the reins of power. Few care about the "in the name of" part, because it doesn't make any difference to them. It is very simple if you are religious.

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11. Comment #428357 by Sally Luxmoore on October 30, 2009 at 6:55 pm

Clever little piece, good satire, but too long and with too many long words for the intended audience.
As people above are saying, they just won't get it.
Or, to use my latest favourite Richard quote, those people are in "another order of stupidity".

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12. Comment #428361 by Roland_F on October 30, 2009 at 7:03 pm

Comment #428346 by Andrew Brown : One thing I liked was they didn't score the cheap point of the fact that both Hitler and Pol Pot recieved a Catholic education.

Excuse me £ It’s not about a Catholic education it’s about:

1) Elected to become German Reichskanzler with the support of the 2 big Christian parties
2) Reichksonkordat as a kind of joint venture with the Catholic church
3) Following the 2000 years history of Christian anti-Semitism
4) Thinking he is fulfilling God’s will with the holocaust
5) Talks permanently about God, like God’s foresight for him
6) After his death the Catholic church celebrated a holy mass for him
7) After the war was over the Vatican provided ‘holy passports’ for Nazi leaders to escape to South America
8) Slogan of the Wehrmacht and SS : "Gott mit uns" symbol Swastika and Cross.

The constructed ‘link’ from Darwin via Nietzsche to Hitler is completely crazy, first Nietzsche despised the Brit Darwin (see Dan Dennet “Darwind dangerous ideas), and the Nazi’s despised the intelligencia and philosophers and had their support base in the uneducated masses.

And here the bunch of Christian inspired God talk from Hitler:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

So the posterboy of Christian inspired anti-Semitism an atheist ££ instead the apologetics "he did what he did not because he was an atheists" is a very strange and backfiring approach in this case.

P.S. Also Tomás de Torquemada the inquisitor general head of the bloody Spanish inquisition, did his evil act because he was a powerhungry bad person not because he was a godless atheist !!

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13. Comment #428363 by Samwise on October 30, 2009 at 7:08 pm

"another order of stupidity".

I like the idea of quantification.

6.022 * durrh^23

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14. Comment #428366 by Border Collie on October 30, 2009 at 7:17 pm

"Too far down the rabbit hole" has just become one of my favorite quotations ...
AB ... I hope you don't mind the slight variation.
NSC is always a favorite.

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15. Comment #428387 by quisquose on October 30, 2009 at 8:24 pm

I share your concern, I was actually sent this other NonStampCollector video by a Christian as evidence for his position:

http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector#p/u/5/95VTh4FA_gE

He actually had no idea that it was atheist satire and thought it was totally valid arguments being put forward for his position.

Unfuckingbelievable.

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16. Comment #428397 by Quine on October 30, 2009 at 9:08 pm

Comment #428387 by quisquose:

I share your concern, I was actually sent this other NonStampCollector video by a Christian as evidence for his position:

Perhaps NonStampCollector is riding that fine edge as a propagation tool for his memes. Tricky business, prone to backfires.

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17. Comment #428398 by bendigeidfran on October 30, 2009 at 9:18 pm

I find it amusing that a Catholic warmongering lunatic thought he could ever become leader of europe.

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18. Comment #428404 by bucklap on October 30, 2009 at 10:08 pm

wow, that's a long video to get to a point that wasn't worth waiting for. It was like the longest episode of south park without the humour.

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19. Comment #428408 by Crazycharlie on October 30, 2009 at 10:20 pm

Adrian B.- Border Collie likes your phrase "Too far down the rabbit hole."

TIKI AL-I like your term of derision "godbot".

I'll have to use that if you don't mind.

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20. Comment #428419 by Westsider on October 30, 2009 at 11:51 pm

It seems the accused atheists are so constantly taughted with this common misconseption that we neglect the big one.
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html

If killing 2.3 million is not a mass murderer then the creationists are pissing on the wrong tree.

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21. Comment #428421 by Adrian Bartholomew on October 30, 2009 at 11:52 pm

14. Comment #428366 by Border Collie on October 30, 2009 at 7:17 pm
"Too far down the rabbit hole" has just become one of my favorite quotations ...
AB ... I hope you don't mind the slight variation.

Well I’m sure Lewis Carroll wouldn’t have liked me using the term the way I did but it fits so perfectly. Besides he can’t complain now :-)

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22. Comment #428424 by SurfDude on October 30, 2009 at 11:57 pm

@ bendegeidfran

Epic LOL

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23. Comment #428440 by TIKI AL on October 31, 2009 at 1:12 am

Crazycharlie @ 19: "TIKI AL-I like your term of derision "godbot".
I'll have to use that if you don't mind."

...Feel free. I saw it on a political blog during the 2000 Bush/Gore election, and it stuck.

It's even in the Urban Dictionary:

"godbot religious nut
1. godbot 150 up, 21 down
get this on a mug or greeting cardGODBOT: (noun) someone programmed from birth to follow religious leaders' every wish; often indoctrinated in Christian fellowships closed off to free thinkers. Extremely dangerous when church leaders use the GodBots to harm other non-GodBots. GODBOTIC (verb) used to describe the hateful actions perpetuated by Christian people who won't listen to reason or logic. (thanks, Anonymous at Datalounge, whoever you are)
There were maybe 40 godbots on the sidelines with signs threatening us with hell and such."

This is the dictionary that informed me that the guys who said that our new Navigator had some "sick dubs" were referring to the factory 20" wheels in a complimentary vein.

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24. Comment #428473 by carbonman on October 31, 2009 at 6:48 am

Comment #428334 by Richard Dawkins on October 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm

My worry is that the people who really need to get the message will be too stupid to realise that the "all in the name of atheism" at the end is satire.

Perhaps NonStampCollector could seek Dinesh D'Souza's comment on the video. 'In the name of atheism' is one of D'Souza's pet themes, prompting seal-like clapping and barking from sympathetic debate audiences.

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25. Comment #428477 by GOTT MIT UNS on October 31, 2009 at 7:09 am

Almost half of my family fell victims to the Nazi racist, genocidal regime.

My godmother who survived KL Auschwitz (prisoner number 25541) confirmed that it was run mostly by German and AUSTRIAN (fact frequently forgotten) Catholics in SS uniforms (with GOTT MIT UNS on their belt buckles). Those "god-fearing" Germans and Austrians almost every day used to arrive in Birkenau (my godmather's original sub-camp) in a special van marked with a big red cross to pour Zyklon B granules into the gas chambers.
She kept repeating that there was no god in Auschwitz.
She survived thank to her own stamina and self-reliance coupled with human solidarity between inmates....and the "godless" Soviet soldiers who liberated her in January 1945 (just in time).
Although my godmother was born in a Catholic family after the war she never set her foot in a church.

I hope my nick and avatar says it all to all those who intentionally distort historical truth about Nazism.

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26. Comment #428479 by CaptainMandate on October 31, 2009 at 8:27 am

Richard Dawkins

I think all satire is in danger of being lost on the people it's aimed at. Watching this guys films I do enjoy them but I don't think they'll ever really turn a faith-head. the very fact that religious views are satirized is often what leads to the "atheists don't get it" attitude.

The use of "all in the name of atheism" is one favoured by the most stubborn faith-heads who have no need for reasoned debate. quite often I come across comments (e.g. in the GUT science section) such as "atheists have the blood of 50 million people on their hands". I don't understand it and giving the benefit of doubt that there may be a misconception that needs addressing I used to ask for posters to elaborate but I don't bother now. They don't argue the point.

It's just an insult, just like "all girls have fleas". there is nothing behind it beyond how horrible it sounds.

There need be no worry of the religious misunderstanding the meaning of this film because the chances are it'll get edited down for them by the dishonest anyway.

In an argument where quote mining is king, satire gives us a laugh and them some snippets to present as evidence

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27. Comment #428494 by brainimager on October 31, 2009 at 10:55 am

I think it's time to retire the word "Atheist"--it's a negative label that comes from our enemies and will inevitably lump us in with the Stalins of the word. It's giving in to Religious Speak and the assumption that unless one submits to a supernatural god, one can justify killing people for any reason.

If there is a term that the large group of non-believers should adopt as a positive expression of values we DO espouse, I'd suggest humanism--AC Grayling has a nice essay on the term at the conclusion of Against All Gods.

No one thinks of Hitler, Stalin or Pol-Pot as "Humanists"!

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28. Comment #428499 by bobd on October 31, 2009 at 11:11 am

A pretty good video with one annoying error.

The National Socialists were so called because they were socialists (under any sensible definition of the term). They were opposed to Bolshevism (which also deviated from pure Marxism), but that's not the same thing as being opposed to socialism.

Take a look at the 1920 Nazi platform:

A job for every German worker - CHECK
Massive expansion of the state pension - CHECK
"Abolition of unearned (work and Labour) incomes. Breaking of rent slavery." - CHECK
'Land reform' - CHECK
Confiscation of 'war profits' - CHECK
Nationalisation of heavy industry - CHECK

In the end, there was little difference between National Socialism and Stalin's 'socialism in one country'. Sure, the Nazis were militarists, eugenicists and defined 'German' on racial lines, but so what? The 'progressives' in Britain and the US were talking about the same things (the US even had the first eugenics program).

As someone who believes in free markets, individual liberty and (therefore) small government, I am regarded as a raging right-winger by today's standards. I get more than a little sick of hearing the Nazis described as 'far-right', especially from left-wingers who still advocate many of their policies.

ps. I think Mao might have been a bit put out at being knocked off the '3 biggest murderers of the 20th century' rostrum by Pol Pot - a complete amateur by Mao's standards.

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29. Comment #428512 by j s bach on October 31, 2009 at 12:48 pm

And not to forget the "Sacred Oath" of loyalty sworn by the Wehrmacht to Hitler:

Ich schwöre bei GOTT diesen heiligen Eid.......

"I swear by GOD this sacred oath....."

Where's the atheisism in that?

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30. Comment #428517 by Animavore on October 31, 2009 at 1:14 pm

Here's the sequel for extra lols.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWKDOikIgIs

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31. Comment #428635 by Colwyn Abernathy on October 31, 2009 at 11:10 pm

I'M Ron Burgundy?

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32. Comment #428674 by Roy_H on November 1, 2009 at 7:27 am

4. Comment #428334 by Richard Dawkins on October 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm
My worry is that the people who really need to get the message will be too stupid to realise that the "all in the name of atheism" at the end is satire.

Yeah, like the people that used to phone up the B.B.C. and ask if Mr. Herriot could possibly come out and see their cat.

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33. Comment #428686 by InYourFaceNewYorker on November 1, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Ha, that was funny. I wonder if Hitler did what he did also because he was a vegetarian?

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34. Comment #428845 by NakedCelt on November 2, 2009 at 2:57 am

Comment #428499 by bobd:

The National Socialists were so called because they were socialists (under any sensible definition of the term).

..."sensible definition" meaning what? Any definition of socialism that includes Nazism would be rejected by pretty much all other people who identify as "socialists", as well as the majority of historians.
Socialists and capitalists (whether conservative or libertarian) love to lump the Nazis in with the other side. The truth seems to be that Hitler favoured both the kind of top-down totalitarian state that capitalists associate with socialism, and the inequality and trampling of the weak by the strong that socialists associate with capitalism. In both cases, the critics have some truth on their side as regards outcomes; in neither case are these outcomes what their proponents actually desire, whereas that certainly was the case with Hitler.
Some statements in Mein Kampf about the rights of strong individuals to self-glorification cannot, taken by themselves, be distinguished from libertarian pronouncements. The difference is that Hitler conceived the state as the vehicle for the empowerment of the great and good -- they would not just outshine others but literally rule them.
Marxists, by contrast, ultimately seek a world of stateless freedom; they think states exist to uphold existing class differences. Therefore, according to Marxist theory, once class distinctions are abolished the state will die away of itself. I need hardly add that it didn't quite work out that way.

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35. Comment #428922 by Lucas on November 2, 2009 at 4:02 pm

Congrats on the MA, NSC!

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36. Comment #428939 by George Lennan on November 2, 2009 at 5:22 pm

NonStampCollector's first sentence, and only request: "Please note: this video is NOT about whether the German leader was or was not a Christian... please don't argue about whether he was, or was not, a Christian on this video. Please don't miss my point that much, I'll be depressed that all my work was for nothing. "

VERY FIRST comment in this thread: "Hitler was undeniably a wacked-out Christian"

*sigh*

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