1. Comment #436109 by Mitch Kahle on November 28, 2009 at 6:58 pm

Gotta love Pat! The man tells it like it is...

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2. Comment #436112 by mjwemdee on November 28, 2009 at 7:03 pm

It's all true, of course, but this is the first Pat Condell video I've listened to which made me begin to wonder if his fervour isn't beginning to obscure his famous good humour - to the detriment of the message...

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3. Comment #436114 by Sandra S on November 28, 2009 at 7:08 pm

OH MI GOSH! Freedom of speech sacred?! It has finally been admitted! Atheism is just another religion and the new atheists are funadmentalists!

Anyway, it's been said before, but Pat Condell puts it extra nicely as we've come to expect. I had no idea I was so intolerant.

The part about Jerusalem could almost have been written by a foulmouthed and strident Shakespeare.

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4. Comment #436116 by Rodger T on November 28, 2009 at 7:11 pm

Oh Pat, oh so strident.

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5. Comment #436118 by the great teapot on November 28, 2009 at 7:15 pm

Pat seems to have restored his sense of humour/ sarcasm here. Back to his best.Much better Pat. Keep it up.

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6. Comment #436121 by Mitch Kahle on November 28, 2009 at 7:21 pm

I think atheists have a right to be aggressive and strident.

Although I don't believe emotion is helpful in argument, we certainly have good reasons to be angry at religion and there's no need to apologize for it.

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7. Comment #436124 by the great teapot on November 28, 2009 at 7:27 pm

Send the Gays to the back of the bus.
Hey it was religous people who campaigned against that.
You atheists stealing from us christians again.
Thou shalt never suffer a black man or gay to be a second class citizen. Mathew 10.15
Check it out folks it's in the bible.

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8. Comment #436127 by DoctorMelkor on November 28, 2009 at 7:34 pm

TESTIFY, BROTHER PAT!

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9. Comment #436129 by SaintStephen on November 28, 2009 at 7:44 pm

Ah, the sweet, lilting delivery of Pat Condell in full stride(ncy).

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10. Comment #436130 by Sylvia Hatred on November 28, 2009 at 7:44 pm

Go Pat Go!

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11. Comment #436135 by Rawhard Dickins on November 28, 2009 at 8:00 pm

So let me get this right Pat, do you not really approve of religion?

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12. Comment #436137 by Crazycharlie on November 28, 2009 at 8:01 pm

Testify Pat!

I say we clone Pat. We need more of him around!

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13. Comment #436143 by larson80 on November 28, 2009 at 8:19 pm

Religious people always feel like they themselves are being attacked when someone is criticizing religion. I think it's weird that the human mind is capable of dealing with the same thing (in this case, ultimately, the structure of reality) with such rationalization and with so much personally invested in it. And not realising that one so affects the other. Not that rationalizing is rational, but that's the rational part of the religious outrage.

Oh yeah, and Pat is so cool. ;)

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14. Comment #436156 by UncleJJ on November 28, 2009 at 8:57 pm

A lively Bible thumping sermon from Pat ;)

I liked this snippet among so many great phrases

"Religion's claims to higher knowledge are laughable ... it doesn't even have any lower knowledge"

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15. Comment #436158 by fossil-fish on November 28, 2009 at 8:59 pm

Yes, come on Pat. Stop beating about the bush and just say what you mean.

Brilliant, again.

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16. Comment #436159 by The-Norwegian-Guy on November 28, 2009 at 9:00 pm

Religion doesn't offer evidence Mr. Condell?

I think this toast begs to differ... :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4019295.stm


"The only true thing about religion is that it's false."

Pat is awesome. :D

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17. Comment #436165 by Sally Luxmoore on November 28, 2009 at 9:24 pm

It may be bizarre, but when angry and depressed by all the religious crap, I feel refreshed and exhilarated by hearing Pat - especially this particular rant.
Hail Pat!

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18. Comment #436166 by blakjack on November 28, 2009 at 9:30 pm

I was again cheated out of my fun today – the opportunity to be an aggressive atheist.

Jehovah’s Witnesses or some such group were touring the village. Again they missed me out. I have in the past given them a hard time when they tried to sell their wares so I guess they have realised that they have more than met their match so unfortunately don’t call nowadays. I really miss the entertainment.

Jack

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19. Comment #436167 by Steve Zara on November 28, 2009 at 9:31 pm

I normally can't stand Pat Condell, and have said so often. But this was different. It was passionate, accurate, and quite moving in places. This wasn't a rant - it was an inspiring speech.

If he carries on like this, I am prepared to have my mind changed about him.

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20. Comment #436169 by BlueCollar8theist on November 28, 2009 at 9:44 pm

What a wonderful way to inspire my afternoon! I had thought my hangover was going to get the best of me until I watched this video. I feel much better now!

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21. Comment #436170 by Logicel on November 28, 2009 at 9:45 pm

Steve Z, Yes, Condell, hit all the right notes. However, I always have thought he hit enough right notes to be considered a serious voice in the fight against irrationality.

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22. Comment #436173 by Steve Zara on November 28, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Comment #436170 by Logicel

I thought this was different. Excellent imagery, and more dealing with issues against shouting at religious people. But, perhaps I have changed.

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23. Comment #436174 by j.mills on November 28, 2009 at 9:57 pm

Curious the different reactions we folks have to Pat. For my part, Pat was spot on in this one, but humourless, less than usually fluent, and it was largely abstract rhetoric. I reckon he's more fun when he's dealing with something topical and concrete - he could usefully take a pop at the catholics right now...

I too had Jehovah's at the door today. I just told 'em to forget it and shut the door; can't be arsed. Kinda disturbing though: a bloke of about 40, his middle-aged friend and his infant son in a pram. What sorta childhood's that?

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24. Comment #436179 by zengardener on November 28, 2009 at 10:06 pm

the great teapot

Thou shalt never suffer a black man or gay to be a second class citizen. Mathew 10.15
Check it out folks it's in the bible.

couldn't find it. A little help?

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25. Comment #436191 by Beachbum on November 28, 2009 at 10:50 pm

I feel "Neo" in the Matrix, you know, right after he goes clean through that "agent" and scares away the others.

HEEEE... Whooooo!

All of a sudden, I want to go out and body slam a political party.

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26. Comment #436193 by bethe123 on November 28, 2009 at 10:56 pm

Well said, Pat.
I look forward to the next installment!

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27. Comment #436203 by NewEnglandBob on November 28, 2009 at 11:39 pm

Just beautiful, Pat. I will listen to this several more times. I will also look for a transcript.

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28. Comment #436204 by RightWingAtheist on November 28, 2009 at 11:42 pm

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

My problem with religion was never that it wasn't soft-headed, and in fact all of us have criticized the stupidity of religious moderation. The problem with religion is that it is WRONG.

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29. Comment #436206 by Bonzai on November 28, 2009 at 11:51 pm

Wow, this is amazing!

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30. Comment #436207 by russkid on November 29, 2009 at 12:08 am

The problem with religion is that it is WRONG.

Can you be more specific ... do you mean wrong as in a false claim or wrong as in an immoral action?

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31. Comment #436211 by knightcap on November 29, 2009 at 12:16 am

Well done to the stridently polemical Pat.

I always spare no time when I find out he has put out another youTube vid, and would really like to see Pat come and join us convicts in the festivities of the AU Rise of Atheism Convention march 2010 in Melbourne.

'Agressive atheism is really a defensive atheism for fending off political religion.' I don't think atheists would need to be aggressive or defensive if religion was benign.

"This god is my satan! When I hear his name, I smell sulphur, when I hear his words, I smell death!" LOL that is great! strident? yes!

"Jerusalem, that jewel in the desert, that celestial piss hole in the sand" - I'm sure some eyebrows will be raised here.

Pat comes up with the best comments! "[Religion], its about as substantial as a meringue, all front and no substance" - that would be great to say to a J Dub with his foot in my door.

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32. Comment #436214 by Kafiristani on November 29, 2009 at 12:30 am

I love this man!

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33. Comment #436215 by Steve Zara on November 29, 2009 at 12:31 am

Comment #436211 by knightcap

Pat has said some things in the past which many of us would surely disagree with. There was one video in which he strongly criticised those who would debate with religious people. And yet all of the "four horsemen" of New Atheism have taken part in such debates. So, he has said some bizarre things.

I have generally disapproved of what I thought were his poorly targeted attacks in the past. I thought that they were cliched and added nothing to the promotion of atheism.

However, there is something about this video that is different. It seems to me more like a carefully prepared speech than a comedy rant. There were so many phrases, so many sound-bites that hit the target.

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34. Comment #436217 by Bonzai on November 29, 2009 at 12:36 am

However, there is something about this video that is different. It seems to me more like a carefully prepared speech than a comedy rant.

I always think PC 's rants are pretty good.

They were never like comedy rants though. I doubt that he intended them to be funny (and they are not)

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35. Comment #436227 by j.mills on November 29, 2009 at 1:08 am

Bonzai: Pat's own website is called "Pat Condell's Godless Comedy". Some of his earlier videos were wickedly funny; not so much these days.

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36. Comment #436230 by BLacklotus66x on November 29, 2009 at 1:13 am

Matthew 10:15
Amen, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
This is the bible verse that is supposed to show that Christians accept homosexuality and clarifies that they are not racists? I don't see it (because it's not there).
This is the first I have heard of Pat, and I have to say that I am impressed.

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37. Comment #436289 by Laurie Fraser on November 29, 2009 at 4:51 am

Pat's becoming like Lenny Bruce in his last days, with one great exception. Whereas Bruce gave away comedy for morbid, paranoid rants fuelled by his depression and drugs, Pat has given away comedy for incisive, brilliant polemic fuelled by (can I say "righteous") anger. And this piece is brilliant - almost poetic in its language. It's the fiercest thing he's done, I think.

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38. Comment #436327 by petermun on November 29, 2009 at 9:07 am

Pat at his very best - how can he top this one? The Jerusalem reference was superb as was his assertion that faith is nothing more than pious ignorance (I think he has used this definition before, but never to such good effect). I agree with Laurie Fraser, almost poetic.

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39. Comment #436340 by Logician on November 29, 2009 at 11:41 am

Ohhhhh, YEAH!
Inspiring!
I'd love to see him debate Shermer....

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40. Comment #436344 by rod-the-farmer on November 29, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Steve Zara, can you direct us to the video where he says he would not debate faith heads ? I was just thinking how great it would be to see him debate with Dinesh D'Souza.

I too wondered why this video was not focused on the recent reports coming out of Ireland. Perhaps he will get to that, soon.

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41. Comment #436349 by Steve Zara on November 29, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Rod- I'd like to provide a link, but it isn't easy from my iPhone: google 'speak it brother! Pharyngula' and you will find a link to it.

I strongly disagreed with Condell about what he said, but that won't stop me saying how much I admire this magnificent new video.

I am not sure a video from him about catholic child abuse is what I want to see. I would rather see him confront one of those in authority in the Catholic church in person.

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42. Comment #436354 by Stafford Gordon on November 29, 2009 at 2:22 pm

I wish he'd just come out with what he means!

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43. Comment #436375 by Yorker on November 29, 2009 at 4:25 pm

This was a good video from Pat and it may well increase public awareness but it won't have much effect in real terms. This is nothing against Pat Condell; I'm convinced that no amount of ranting however accurate and convincing by anyone - including world-famous personalities - will ever bring about the changes necessary.

The number of god-believers still vastly outnumber non-believers and vote-whore politicians will always pander to religion, even if only a few percent of voters were religious they would still be "included" by politicians who do the "right thing" (that's the right thing for them of course, not us). In countries with state-sponsored religion there is no hope for secularists.

Sadly, although religion keeps making a fool of itself and is slowly losing, I fear it will take a long time yet before we can rid ourselves of it.

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44. Comment #436381 by Steve Zara on November 29, 2009 at 4:38 pm

Comment #436375 by Yorker

This was a good video from Pat and it may well increase public awareness but it won't have much effect in real terms.

I fear you are right. But I still wanted to express my admiration for a stirring speech.

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45. Comment #436393 by gruebait on November 29, 2009 at 5:13 pm

I'm glad there is someone like Pat to do my ranting for me. It's so much easier to just give some annoying religionist a link to one of his educational videos.

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46. Comment #436397 by notnecessarilyso on November 29, 2009 at 5:21 pm

40. Comment #436344 by rod-the-farmer on November 29, 2009 at 12:15 pm

. . . can you direct us to the video where he says he would not debate faith heads ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5cXWElb-GE

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47. Comment #436423 by Mr DArcy on November 29, 2009 at 6:35 pm

Pat says something like:
" No amount of windbaggery or flim flam from the clergy can disguise the fact that there's nothing there".

How true! I can almost hear Alistair McGrath howling "I am not a windbag, I'm a theologian", as he sinks another glass of fine claret at an Oxford banquet.

No wonder the atheists get attacked; the religios have nothing positive to say themselves.

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48. Comment #436438 by ponyfizz on November 29, 2009 at 6:52 pm

Brilliant. I agree with all of it.

First I've seen of Pat but it looks like he may have peaked with this one.

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49. Comment #436468 by s1mon on November 29, 2009 at 7:35 pm

"...religion is as substantial as meringue, all front and no substance"

At last, someone found a use for meringue.

Awesome Pat, you go.

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50. Comment #436492 by DrawingYou on November 29, 2009 at 8:04 pm

If Richard Dawkins is Darwin's Rottweiler, then Pat is Atheism's werewolf.

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