Letter From America: Atheists throw down the gauntlet2. Comment #15838 by Louis Perry on January 3, 2007 at 9:44 am
Re: Paragraph 11: "The two movements are almost entirely dissimilar, of course, with Christian fundamentalism engaging in no violence or threats."3. Comment #15841 by Michael on January 3, 2007 at 9:50 am
I hope Bernstein is wrong in his prediction. He is certainly wrong to suggest that Xian fundementalists are not violent.4. Comment #15848 by Mr. Mark on January 3, 2007 at 10:27 am
"...Christian fundamentalism engaging in no violence or threats."5. Comment #15852 by toomanytribbles on January 3, 2007 at 10:42 am
6. Comment #15854 by MarcusA on January 3, 2007 at 10:56 am
It's annoying to see Dawkins and Harris characterized as "militant". Where have they tried to incite violence like the christian right? "Militant" is a word I would reserve for extremists. Dawkins has NOT demonized individuals or spread hatred. These are the methods of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. Look at the way the christain right has personally attacked Judge Jones in the Dover Intelligent Design case.7. Comment #15857 by Homo economicus on January 3, 2007 at 11:04 am
8. Comment #15865 by Kismettena on January 3, 2007 at 11:46 am
Ugh, this is ridiculous.9. Comment #15873 by Seti on January 3, 2007 at 12:22 pm
10. Comment #15874 by anon on January 3, 2007 at 12:30 pm
11. Comment #15883 by Frostbit on January 3, 2007 at 1:50 pm
"80 percent of the survivors of the Katrina disaster claim that the hurricane and flood strengthened their faith in God"12. Comment #15885 by dpieper on January 3, 2007 at 1:53 pm
"New Year's prediction that 2007 will see an intensified war of religion in America, or, perhaps more accurately, a war of the religious against the irreligious,"13. Comment #15889 by roach on January 3, 2007 at 2:03 pm
"Books no doubt do sometimes change people's minds, but more often they help to foster a sense of solidarity among members of an existing group, whether believers in alien space abduction or disbelievers in God."14. Comment #15890 by Lionel A on January 3, 2007 at 2:05 pm
15. Comment #15893 by blaine on January 3, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Brand new example of a threat of violence from an american Fundamentalist:16. Comment #15899 by BracesForImpact on January 3, 2007 at 3:41 pm
17. Comment #15905 by Duff on January 3, 2007 at 5:41 pm
Having grown up in a fundamentalist christian environment, I can tell you that Christians (capitalized) want nothing more than violence in the name of the Second Coming. Violence is as important to the fundamentalists as it is to the Taliban and if you don't believe it, you don't know anything about the Fundamentalist Christian Religion.18. Comment #15907 by eris on January 3, 2007 at 6:11 pm
It's not militant so much as fed up. Dealing with the very religious is as if you had a teenage kid who still adamantly believed in Santa. There's only so much gentle nudging you can do before finally escalating to the "Oh come off it!" stage.19. Comment #15911 by HappyPrimate on January 3, 2007 at 7:11 pm
20. Comment #15915 by ICONIC FREEDOM on January 3, 2007 at 7:52 pm
21. Comment #15936 by tholin on January 3, 2007 at 11:31 pm
"The two movements are almost entirely dissimilar, of course, with Christian fundamentalism engaging in no violence or threats."22. Comment #15953 by gcdavis on January 4, 2007 at 1:21 am
23. Comment #15962 by Aussie on January 4, 2007 at 2:13 am
with Christian fundamentalism engaging in no violence or threats.24. Comment #15969 by Ian on January 4, 2007 at 2:43 am
I hope this reporter doesn't consider himself an ace political analyst. Apart from missing Christian violence and power fantasies, he fails to realise that the rise of the atheist voice marks a sea-change in American politics and politics across the globe.25. Comment #15971 by dave p on January 4, 2007 at 3:12 am
I'd also question the article's implied association of Islamism with violence. Jihadism is one particular form of politicised Islam, but such violence isn't universal among adherents of Islamic law and government. There are violent and non-violent fundamentalists on both sides.26. Comment #15974 by ICONIC FREEDOM on January 4, 2007 at 3:47 am
27. Comment #15983 by ICONIC FREEDOM on January 4, 2007 at 4:53 am
28. Comment #15984 by ICONIC FREEDOM on January 4, 2007 at 5:05 am
29. Comment #15990 by daveadams on January 4, 2007 at 5:29 am
I am a Christian and I condemn all violence, and threats to it, used by the Christian right in America. Bernstein is wrong to suggest that no such events are not occurring.30. Comment #16011 by daveadams on January 4, 2007 at 6:43 am
I in fact meant "Bernstein is wrong to suggest that no such events are occurring" - sorry!31. Comment #16029 by SMART on January 4, 2007 at 8:10 am
Comment #13 by ROACH is quite correct. The people who campaigned against racial and homosexual discrimination, or in favour of women's rights, didn't achieve their goals overnight. Re the current sneering at Dawkins and Harris (in some quarters) I am reminded of how Winston Churchill was portrayed in the British press in the 1930's when he tried to warn us about the Nazis.32. Comment #16032 by Rob3fm on January 4, 2007 at 8:12 am
Like "dpieper" up there, I don't like to think in terms of our being at war with religious people. If we must use "war," I'd rather think of the ideas themselves being at war. That's the approach that allows frank criticism without being personally disrespectful. I'm always happy to defend my ideas with someone who disagrees with me, as long as I don't feel personally attacked.33. Comment #16127 by CrysOdenkirk on January 4, 2007 at 6:56 pm
34. Comment #16135 by atkinson on January 4, 2007 at 9:09 pm
35. Comment #16136 by tholin on January 4, 2007 at 9:41 pm
Re; 15974 by scooternyc:36. Comment #16143 by Mroberts3 on January 5, 2007 at 12:17 am
"It's annoying to see Dawkins and Harris characterized as "militant". Where have they tried to incite violence like the christian right? "Militant" is a word I would reserve for extremists. Dawkins has NOT demonized individuals or spread hatred. These are the methods of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. Look at the way the christain right has personally attacked Judge Jones in the Dover Intelligent Design case."37. Comment #16144 by Mroberts3 on January 5, 2007 at 12:20 am
Calling Dawkins a militant Atheist is like calling an out of the closet homosexual a militant one.38. Comment #16215 by snarkyboojum on January 5, 2007 at 3:14 pm
The Bernstein article is appalling.39. Comment #16566 by elroySF on January 7, 2007 at 11:21 am
Mr. Bernstein -
1. Comment #15835 by thompjs on January 3, 2007 at 9:28 am
Christian fundamentalists not violent? Not exactlytrue.
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