The Bright Revolution2. Comment #19014 by debaser71 on January 24, 2007 at 11:26 am
I call myself an atheist and I too dislike the Bright label but I am glad people are doing something to help promote ideas most of us agree about. If the term Bright helps some people get into the fold, good for it.3. Comment #19015 by Greywizard on January 24, 2007 at 11:31 am
Well Mr. Mark. I disagree. Brights is a great word, and more atheists should adopt it. Simple reason. A-theism is a negative term. Bright is positive. On what level does it suck?4. Comment #19019 by the great teapot on January 24, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Brights sucks because it sounds arrogant.5. Comment #19020 by jonathan espalin on January 24, 2007 at 12:05 pm
'Athiest and 'Bright' are both unfortunate terms. Athiest has, by definition, a negative meaning, and 'Bright' is not only confusing, but rather friilous-sounding. Whatever happened to the word "Naturalist," or "Naturalism." This is the official term in the philosophic world for what "athiests" or "brights" believe, and is in fact, more accurate, since in addition to gods, it also covers belief in all aspects of the supernatural, such as ghosts, esp, etc. It is simply the belief that nature is all there is. This is the word I use to describe myself, since it is not only complete and accurate, but politically functional, as it is has a positive connotation: the opposite of "Naturalist" would be "Unnaturalist." It also stops the confustion created by Einsteinian, watered-down panthesm, because if God is veiwed as "one with nature", than that view is automatically subsumed into naturalism. If we simply refer to our position as "naturalism", there is no need to spend fifty pages explaining why Einstien and other seemigly religious people actually believe the same things as those who call themselves athiests.6. Comment #19022 by jonathan espalin on January 24, 2007 at 12:08 pm
end of the first sentence, i meant to type 'friviloius' not 'friilous', which I don't think is a word.7. Comment #19024 by bugaboo on January 24, 2007 at 12:14 pm
"Brights are bright. they know a thing or two" This is exactly the problem with the term. Any time its used believers will accuse us of arrogance. We can't convert people by suggesting they are dim-they simply wont listen to any rational argument after that.8. Comment #19025 by nine9s on January 24, 2007 at 12:16 pm
The term "bright" is an utter embarrassment. We'll never gain respect or "converts" if we go around insisting that we're "brighter" than everyone else. It makes us look hopelessly immature and arrogant.9. Comment #19026 by the great teapot on January 24, 2007 at 12:19 pm
By trying to introduce other means of describing atheists you are overcomplicating what is a single issue.10. Comment #19027 by DV82XL on January 24, 2007 at 12:23 pm
The problem with 'Bright' is that it sounds forced.11. Comment #19029 by Roymondo on January 24, 2007 at 12:28 pm
12. Comment #19030 by IainM on January 24, 2007 at 12:31 pm
How about the name "Godfrey"? Any suggestions for the feminine version of that though?13. Comment #19033 by the great teapot on January 24, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Godfrey14. Comment #19034 by flashbaby on January 24, 2007 at 12:47 pm
15. Comment #19035 by Mr. Mark on January 24, 2007 at 12:55 pm
To Greywizard -16. Comment #19039 by the great teapot on January 24, 2007 at 1:10 pm
What the hell is a Boonie or Boondock-17. Comment #19040 by BaronOchs on January 24, 2007 at 1:15 pm
18. Comment #19042 by Riley on January 24, 2007 at 1:23 pm
19. Comment #19043 by Ole on January 24, 2007 at 1:40 pm
20. Comment #19045 by MelM on January 24, 2007 at 1:59 pm
I think "atheist" does just fine; we ought to have the courage to fight for it. Besides, "bright" will just give the enemy endless opportunities for cartoons.21. Comment #19047 by Russell Blackford on January 24, 2007 at 2:17 pm
I don't actually mind it - it's a talking point, and I'm not worried if it sounds a little uppity.22. Comment #19049 by antialiasis on January 24, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I have no problem with the word 'atheist', perhaps because in my mind it simply does not have any negative connotations.23. Comment #19051 by debaser71 on January 24, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Godfrey is an awesome idea!24. Comment #19052 by John Turner on January 24, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Firstly, I think some people are looking at the word atheist in an unhelpful way by viewing it as the name for a group of people rather than a descriptive word for the sole fact that you, as an individual, are not a theist, and it neither does or need to represent anything else.25. Comment #19054 by Russell Blackford on January 24, 2007 at 2:31 pm
I do worry that Kaminer wants to preserve the ethics of religion, including the concepts of sin and moral condemnation.26. Comment #19055 by Frostbit on January 24, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Why does there need to be a label?27. Comment #19056 by MacGruder on January 24, 2007 at 2:44 pm
I do not like "bright" for the reasons others have already articulated.28. Comment #19057 by Fouad Boussetta on January 24, 2007 at 2:54 pm
29. Comment #19058 by Electric Monk on January 24, 2007 at 2:57 pm
I hate the term bright - what's wrong with athiest? I've never heard of anyone making the assumption that athiests are amoral (or even immoral)except maybe from some really outspoken political god-botherers. Maybe it's different in the USA? Anyway brights is clearly a horrible term - arrogant and really lame!30. Comment #19059 by Luthien on January 24, 2007 at 3:02 pm
31. Comment #19060 by Shuggy on January 24, 2007 at 3:06 pm
32. Comment #19061 by Homo economicus on January 24, 2007 at 3:08 pm
33. Comment #19062 by Greywizard on January 24, 2007 at 3:24 pm
I think it's obvious we're not going to agree on a name. Put three atheists together and there'll be at least four opinions! I don't know what the problem is with being thought a bit arrogant, though. I should have thought, other things being equal, that those who claim to know what God says and wants, are much more arrogant than those who suggest that they know a thing or two. But, as I say, I think the name is probably a lost cause. Too bad, it seems to me it might have had some mileage in it. Perhaps Mr. Mark is right. Time to think about more serious things.34. Comment #19063 by MelM on January 24, 2007 at 3:33 pm
OTFrom what I've read, this is not a porn flick. Dakota Fanning is the brightest, most mature child I've ever seen and my hope is that she will become a truely great adult actress--visions of greatness are, sadly, far too rare today. I think she has the brains to avoid being turned into a bimbo.
The holymen ought to stay out of this and leave her alone; I'm sick to death of them. Go Dakota!!!!
35. Comment #19064 by John Turner on January 24, 2007 at 3:34 pm
While we are talking about T-shirts, can someone make me one with 'I'm an Atheist, so Fuck you!' written on it. That'd be sweet36. Comment #19066 by the great teapot on January 24, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Grey wizard37. Comment #19067 by a tree with roots on January 24, 2007 at 3:54 pm
38. Comment #19071 by Joadist on January 24, 2007 at 4:22 pm
I prefer the term Atheist because it describes what I am. I am a-thiest -- without God.39. Comment #19077 by VrijzinnigMan on January 24, 2007 at 4:51 pm
I agree with "the great teapot" that it is not unlikely that the majority of the US population can soon (within a generation or two?) be non-religious. Compared to many European countries we are followers, but the US is ahead of the game compared to the Muslim theocracies.40. Comment #19078 by Jez on January 24, 2007 at 5:13 pm
In this kingdom of cats...41. Comment #19079 by captain underpants on January 24, 2007 at 5:14 pm
42. Comment #19080 by Electric Monk on January 24, 2007 at 5:15 pm
I think a poll would be a good idea,43. Comment #19083 by mjwemdee on January 24, 2007 at 5:45 pm
44. Comment #19086 by Electric Monk on January 24, 2007 at 6:39 pm
good point, well made...45. Comment #19087 by Zelgadis on January 24, 2007 at 6:40 pm
46. Comment #19088 by Alakan on January 24, 2007 at 6:58 pm
How about the Free Willy's?47. Comment #19089 by Phil on January 24, 2007 at 6:58 pm
31. Comment #19060 by Shuggy on January 24, 2007 at 3:06 pm48. Comment #19090 by Alakan on January 24, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Might I suggest a theme song as well?49. Comment #19091 by Qball on January 24, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Bright, Gay! Isn't it all a bit sad and lame to be having this debate. We lost a perfectly good word "gay" because people were uncomfortable with being called homosexual. Atheist is another perfectly good word and I can't see why we need to call ourselves anything else. Who cares what others think!50. Comment #19093 by queen5102 on January 24, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Why don't we just take back the word "Right" since that is what we are? Instead of being people "on the right", we can be the people "who are Right" and just call ourselves Rights. Think about all the levels of meaning the word has and how the word has been misappropriated by people who are usually wrong. I guess that Rights may be considered to be more arrogant than Brights. ;)This article is reposted from a website that accepts comments.
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1. Comment #19012 by Mr. Mark on January 24, 2007 at 11:17 am
As an atheist, I despise the term "Brights." It absolutely sucks on every level.Our energy is better spent working to make atheist a term of respect than to go with a lame description that a couple of academics came up with over their afternoon lattes.
Brights are here to stay? I hope not.
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