Religion and Politics2. Comment #24263 by anotherclinton on March 5, 2007 at 3:27 pm
3. Comment #24265 by steve99 on March 5, 2007 at 3:34 pm
4. Comment #24271 by cheshirecat on March 5, 2007 at 3:57 pm
I hate the misuse of history through selective quotation.5. Comment #24273 by Richard Morgan on March 5, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Since we are on Richard Dawkins' web-site, let us not forget that Mormons believe that God evolved from something less complex a man! That solves one of our problems with the existence of God, doesn't it?6. Comment #24274 by Robert Maynard on March 5, 2007 at 4:01 pm
7. Comment #24276 by jonecc on March 5, 2007 at 4:11 pm
With regard to Medina-Sidonia's speech, I had always assumed there was a large pinch of irony in it. He was certainly a highly reluctant commander, who had no expectation of victory, and seems to have wanted to establish the reasons for his failure before it occurred.8. Comment #24278 by steve99 on March 5, 2007 at 4:37 pm
9. Comment #24282 by kkant on March 5, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Keanu Reeves is Buddhist? A plague on Buddhism! May he suffer many reincarnated lives as a tapeworm for his selection as Constantine!10. Comment #24283 by Kimpatsu on March 5, 2007 at 4:52 pm
11. Comment #24284 by Estragon on March 5, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Concerning the bit about the spanish armada there are still people who believe the defeat of the Turkish fleet at Lepanto (ably commemorated in G.K.Chesterton's poem) was the result of a rosary crusade. I can't figure out however if the first crusade captured Jerusalem because God helped them or if Saladin recaptured it because God helped him. Perhaps God's just a real nice guy who'll lend a hand to anyone. . .12. Comment #24285 by Homo economicus on March 5, 2007 at 4:55 pm
13. Comment #24289 by MelM on March 5, 2007 at 5:17 pm
I don't want any president that will suck up to the Dominionists and appoint judges who believe that "rights come from God." The judges are the guards along the wall between religion and the state--if they're fundies, we're screwed. It's important to remember that one doesn't have to be a barking mad wingnut to play politics; beware. And, we need someone who will reverse the Federal stem cell research ban and the "faith based initiative" which were both done with the "executive order" by Bush all by his pathetic self. Like last election, I may end up voting 100% Democrat just to deprive the Republican religious cult any way of getting more power.14. Comment #24291 by davyB on March 5, 2007 at 5:29 pm
I'll admit I don't know beans about it, but I don't think Theravadin Buddhists necessarily believe in reincarnation, nor do they have a fundamentalist sort of faith that Sidhartha actually spoke the words that are attributed to him. Sam Harris is some sort of Buddhist. What kind, I don't know.15. Comment #24292 by steve99 on March 5, 2007 at 5:41 pm
16. Comment #24295 by davyB on March 5, 2007 at 6:02 pm
I googled about for a bit. Concerning Buddhism, Sam Harris is quoted as saying, "I am a practitioner, but I don't really think of myself as a Buddhist." I don't know what the distinction is.17. Comment #24296 by kkant on March 5, 2007 at 6:21 pm
davyB: I did some reading up on Sidhartha, the Buddha, founder of Buddhism. For a long time I thought Buddha was certainly a historical figure--he was tied to history by being a King's son, how can you fake that? On the other hand, I used to think Jesus was historical too (how can you fake the ties to Roman authorities?), and when I discarded that belief I started questioning the historical Buddha as well. The story of Buddha has at least one similarity with the Jesus myth, which is the virgin birth (an elephant came to his mom in a dream and pierced her womb with his tusk). As far as I can see, the first written records of the life of Buddha are dated to about 400 years *after* his supposed life. So that doesn't really speak well for the historicity of Buddha. What makes it worse is that, in the Buddhist scripture itself, an excuse is given for the delay in recording his story. Get this--they say that up until now (400 years after the supposed events), it has been blasphemous or disrespectful to commit his story to paper. What a sorry excuse!! Why did it all of a sudden become "legal" to write his story just then? Apparently no one cared to ask.18. Comment #24301 by steve99 on March 5, 2007 at 6:49 pm
19. Comment #24303 by queen5102 on March 5, 2007 at 6:59 pm
I recommend the book Buddhism Without Beliefs: A Contemporary Guide to Awakening by Stephen Batchelor for those who are interested in an explanation of how to be a Buddhist without believing in reincarnation or the supernatural.20. Comment #24306 by sankekorafi on March 5, 2007 at 7:31 pm
OOh hot topic, Theravadin Buddhism. I totally misunderstood my atheist boyfriend when he told me he was spending two weeks as a Buddhist monk this summer in Thailand. But it's exactly as said above. Indeed, he does not believe in karma or reincarnation and most Buddhists, of any sort, don't believe that nirvana is something that needs to be sought in this lifetime (ie, it doesn't make sense in terms of my boyfriend's views, but in other more religion like parts of buddhism it is acceptable to be more secular in some lives until you are ready to reach nirvana... a fine idea for someone who is in politics.)21. Comment #24310 by DavidJMH on March 5, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen,22. Comment #24320 by mmurray on March 6, 2007 at 1:52 am
23. Comment #24321 by Pob on March 6, 2007 at 2:11 am
I'm trying to work out how religious these various Presidential candidates really are. Of course they all talk a good game but then they have to if they want to have any chance of winning, and from the other side of the Atlantic it's difficult to tell who is telling the truth.24. Comment #24336 by Biblebeltheretic on March 6, 2007 at 3:48 am
"I'm trying to work out how religious these various Presidential candidates really are. Of course they all talk a good game but then they have to if they want to have any chance of winning, and from the other side of the Atlantic it's difficult to tell who is telling the truth."25. Comment #24341 by Homo economicus on March 6, 2007 at 4:41 am
26. Comment #24346 by Amnesia on March 6, 2007 at 5:34 am
Nearing death the Buddha allegedly said to those around him :27. Comment #24359 by bushwakko on March 6, 2007 at 7:04 am
to bad everybody on this site is allready voting this way.28. Comment #24370 by Riley on March 6, 2007 at 8:33 am
Pob wrote: "I'm trying to work out how religious these various Presidential candidates really are. [...]1) Romney
To me it seems that the main contenders are, in roughly decreasing order of religiosity: 1) McCain, 2) Clinton, 3) Romney, 4) Obama, 5) Giuliani, 6) Edwards, 7) Gore, Anyone care to improve on that ordering?
29. Comment #24371 by nvlawyer on March 6, 2007 at 8:33 am
Yet another narrow minded approach to life. If a man believes in a higher power, you assume that he is dumb. That is a real stretch and lacks any support in reason.30. Comment #24390 by rabidchihauhau on March 6, 2007 at 11:15 am
31. Comment #24391 by Steven Mading on March 6, 2007 at 11:21 am
Carl Sagan's book "Contact" had a vastly different take on religion than the movie did - massively so. The movie tried to show Ellie's experience as being just the same as religion and thus paint her attitude toward religion as hypocritical in the end. The book did no such thing (for one thing, the wormhole vehicle in the book could take several people on the trip, so it wasn't just Ellie going alone, and the collective testimony of all those who went painted the same picture, as opposed to Ellie trying to convince people on her own.32. Comment #24392 by kkant on March 6, 2007 at 11:24 am
nvlawyer writes:33. Comment #24414 by mooslim on March 6, 2007 at 1:50 pm
One nation under God. In God we trust. Go to Europe atheists.34. Comment #24415 by Riley on March 6, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Carl Sagan's book "Contact" had a vastly different take on religion than the movie did - massively so. The movie tried to show Ellie's experience as being just the same as religion and thus paint her attitude toward religion as hypocritical in the end.I think Sagan's message in the movie (in which he was also much involved, I understand), was neither to respect religion nor to scold Ellie for hypocrisy; I think he was deploring skeptics to be more sympathetic towards people griped by belief and to recognize that we're all likewise vulnerable. Depending on how you want to interpret the end of the movie, even the uber-skeptic-hero Ellie is vulnerable. Which is why we must all accept humiliating dependence on our collective baloney detection device (e.g. science).
35. Comment #24486 by M31 on March 6, 2007 at 9:38 pm
36. Comment #24589 by Michael on March 7, 2007 at 1:22 pm
nvlawyer made the cardinal error in suggesting that both science and religion share faith. Faith is the preserve of the latter. Science depends upon objective evidence to prove mathematically based hypotheses.37. Comment #24646 by 5537P06 on March 7, 2007 at 9:12 pm
mooslim,38. Comment #24656 by Matty Two-Tone on March 7, 2007 at 11:08 pm
I was wondering how long it would take for our little corner of the internet to get Christian spam. Now I know. 39. Comment #25011 by FXR on March 9, 2007 at 4:50 pm
40. Comment #150945 by Mechelle on March 27, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Firstly, One huge difference between Buddhism and Christianity is as follows: Christianity relies on the idea of Christ having been real, as well as divine and accepted as one's savior to "reserve" a place in heaven. Take away Christ, and you have nothing but pre-christian theology. Not so in buddhism. It doesn't matter if Buddha actually existed or not. SOMEONE came up with the idea of the eightfold path and the common sense it maps out. Regardless if that someone is named buddha, Ghandi, George Washington or Harry Potter, it makes no difference. Buddhism centers around the eightfold path, and if you take the Buddha figure out of the picture, it still exists. Also, buddhism doesn't seek converts. Conversion is highly frowned upon in most sects because it would defeat the whole purpose and would certainly go against teachings of what the Buddha figure supposedly taught. I say "supposedly" because I'm not certain the Buddha person really existed or not, and like I said, it doesn't really matter if he did or didn't.41. Comment #150949 by Bonzai on March 27, 2008 at 6:20 pm
42. Comment #150950 by Mechelle on March 27, 2008 at 6:21 pm
nylawyer43. Comment #150951 by Bonzai on March 27, 2008 at 6:37 pm
44. Comment #150962 by robotaholic on March 27, 2008 at 8:07 pm
1. Comment #24259 by Dogbreath on March 5, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Sometimes poetry is chilling...but this is depressingly true.
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