As Religious Strife Grows, Europe's Atheists Seize Pulpit2. Comment #31730 by mjwemdee on April 14, 2007 at 3:02 am
3. Comment #31733 by Rtambree on April 14, 2007 at 3:12 am
Some good news. We need some statistics on the break-up between age groups - is it just old lefty intellectuals or are the young getting in on it too? This will give us a clue about the future.4. Comment #31739 by denoir on April 14, 2007 at 3:56 am
The number of atheists is hard to pin down. Some surveys put the figure at under 3%, but others say it is much higher.
5. Comment #31742 by RascoHeldall on April 14, 2007 at 4:02 am
"I've heard on the BBC that many young Muslims in England are actually more devout than their parents."6. Comment #31748 by denoir on April 14, 2007 at 4:22 am
[ETA: Can someone explain how I box-out a quotation? Oh and how do I do italics? Thanks.]
7. Comment #31753 by Robert Maynard on April 14, 2007 at 5:02 am
8. Comment #31754 by nancy2001 on April 14, 2007 at 5:04 am
I was delighted to see a front page article on atheism in the conservative Wall Street Journal. But I was very disappointed to read that disparaging and hackneyed cliche "militant atheism." It's ironic that the fundamentalists who terrify and brainwash people with threats of eternal damnation referred to "missionaries" and "evangelists," but those who inspire people to adopt reason and rationality are tarred as "militants."9. Comment #31759 by Damien Trotter on April 14, 2007 at 5:37 am
Religious leaders are pushing back against the assertive unbelievers. The Church of England's Archbishop of York, John Sentamu, complained in a December statement about "illiberal atheists who have joined forces with aggressive secularists." He was responding todemands that Jesus be removed from nativity plays and that Christmas parties be called "winter festival" gatheringsdelusional strawmen of his own making.
10. Comment #31767 by Jeebus on April 14, 2007 at 6:52 am
It's not part of the EU yet but I found this quite heartening:11. Comment #31770 by epeeist on April 14, 2007 at 7:10 am
I am off to France this week
12. Comment #31771 by poppythinks on April 14, 2007 at 7:20 am
13. Comment #31773 by MIND_REBEL on April 14, 2007 at 7:30 am
14. Comment #31776 by cheshirecat on April 14, 2007 at 7:44 am
Thats crass. Trade is what brings prosperity and there is nothing stopping you from being a Godly merchant as many of the men from the italien companies in the middle ages were. Modern America is very religious and has a higher standard of living than Europe.15. Comment #31777 by phasmagigas on April 14, 2007 at 7:49 am
16. Comment #31778 by HughCaldwell on April 14, 2007 at 7:52 am
The non-religious are more than a billion strong. The rank order for religious positions, according to adherents.com, is :17. Comment #31784 by AdrianB on April 14, 2007 at 9:31 am
18. Comment #31786 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 9:35 am
14. Comment #31776 by cheshirecat19. Comment #31788 by cheshirecat on April 14, 2007 at 10:06 am
What you say may be true but i'm sure it also has something to do with the respective social circles you mixed in. You get older move back home and join the borgeoise - suddenly you find all your friends are going skiing every year, making fesh pasta and voting liberal democrat. I don't know about you20. Comment #31789 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 14, 2007 at 10:07 am
21. Comment #31790 by denoir on April 14, 2007 at 10:09 am
Modern America is very religious and has a higher standard of living than Europe.
22. Comment #31794 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 14, 2007 at 10:18 am
23. Comment #31797 by denoir on April 14, 2007 at 10:26 am
Actually ... Ireland now has a slightly higher per capita GDP than the US, and of course thats welcome. However social indicators, are a much more meaningful indicator, and the EU has this wrapped up.
24. Comment #31799 by cheshirecat on April 14, 2007 at 10:36 am
"Remove the richest 5% of Americans"25. Comment #31802 by denoir on April 14, 2007 at 11:04 am
Is that not the same over here? you give no comparison. If you took away the 5% richest in the UK what would happen
If Americans want a welfare state they should vote for one. This has nothing to do with atheist Europe and religious America. They are simply two different social systems.
26. Comment #31803 by Rtambree on April 14, 2007 at 11:04 am
Most of the USA's wealth is concentrated in the top few percent. It's one of the most inegalitarian countries in the OECD. Longevity, infant mortality and poverty rates are also dismal for such a wealthy country.27. Comment #31805 by cheshirecat on April 14, 2007 at 11:13 am
No there needs to be a balance. Not just freetrade but fairtrade. Thats why US protectionism against poor markets is inexcuseable. The EU do it to some extent too.28. Comment #31806 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 14, 2007 at 11:21 am
29. Comment #31808 by MIND_REBEL on April 14, 2007 at 11:27 am
30. Comment #31815 by denoir on April 14, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Religion causes poverty. Look at any African country compared to any Northern European country.
31. Comment #31820 by Robert Maynard on April 14, 2007 at 12:46 pm
32. Comment #31822 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on April 14, 2007 at 12:54 pm
33. Comment #31823 by Rtambree on April 14, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Good paraphrasing Robert Maynard. I'll second that.34. Comment #31826 by seforsythe on April 14, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Regarding the discussion of well-offness in Europe vs. America:35. Comment #31828 by simplemind on April 14, 2007 at 1:45 pm
36. Comment #31829 by John A. Michon on April 14, 2007 at 1:45 pm
GOD IN THE NETHERLANDS 200737. Comment #31832 by Thor on April 14, 2007 at 1:56 pm
38. Comment #31837 by denoir on April 14, 2007 at 2:36 pm
The two charts that you provide can be misleading: one is in linear and the other in logarithmic scale.
39. Comment #31840 by Karl Christensen on April 14, 2007 at 3:04 pm
"zealous disbelief in God."40. Comment #31842 by MIND_REBEL on April 14, 2007 at 3:22 pm
41. Comment #31843 by Martin S on April 14, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Muslim atheist
42. Comment #31844 by the great teapot on April 14, 2007 at 3:31 pm
God in the Netherlands43. Comment #31852 by Karl Christensen on April 14, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Mr. Onfray argues that atheism faces a "final battle" against "theological hocus-pocus" and must rally its troops. "We can no longer tolerate neutrality and benevolence," he writes in "Traité d'athéologie," or Atheist Manifesto, a best seller in France, Italy and Spain. "The turbulent time we live in suggests that change is at hand and the time has come for a new order."44. Comment #31853 by the great teapot on April 14, 2007 at 4:20 pm
the expression "final battle" sounds very ominous.45. Comment #31861 by Veronique on April 14, 2007 at 5:39 pm
46. Comment #31866 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 6:51 pm
I must say that American religious republicans were the least compassionate people I've ever met anywhere. I remember remarking to my colleagues that I would gladly donate $10 per week to a national health scheme, almost all the Democrats agreed, but no Republicans did. I then made myself popular with them by asking how a sane, unselfish person could vote Republican? I rubbed some salt in by likening Republicans to carnivorous dinosaurs, outdated monsters living in the past whose asteroid had not yet come their way. Their reaction tickled me pink!47. Comment #31868 by Bremas on April 14, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Yorker:48. Comment #31873 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 7:42 pm
47. Comment #31868 by Bremas49. Comment #31874 by Bremas on April 14, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Ah, Chomsky again. Sorry, not I. Not sure how you would define capitalism, but I'll take free markets anyday.50. Comment #31876 by Bonzai on April 14, 2007 at 8:19 pm
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