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Monday, April 30, 2007 | Reason : Wingnut News | print version Print | Comments |

Document Convention ends with Satan and immigrants

by Caleb Warnock, Daily Herald

Thanks to Mark Richards for the link.

Reposted from:
http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/220065/4

Utah County Republicans ended their convention on Saturday by debating Satan's influence on illegal immigrants.

The group was unable to take official action because not enough members stuck around long enough to vote, despite the pleadings of party officials. The convention was held at Canyon View Junior High School.

Don Larsen, chairman of legislative District 65 for the Utah County Republican Party, had submitted a resolution warning that Satan's minions want to eliminate national borders and do away with sovereignty.

In a speech at the convention, Larsen told those gathered that illegal immigrants "hate American people" and "are determined to destroy this country, and there is nothing they won't do."

Illegal aliens are in control of the media, and working in tandem with Democrats, are trying to "destroy Christian America" and replace it with "a godless new world order -- and that is not extremism, that is fact," Larsen said.

At the end of his speech, Larsen began to cry, saying illegal immigrants were trying to bring about the destruction of the U.S. "by self invasion."

Republican officials then allowed speakers to defend and refute the resolution. One speaker, who was identified as "Joe," said illegal immigrants were Marxist and under the influence of the devil. Another, who declined to give her name to the Daily Herald, said illegal immigrants should not be allowed because "they are not going to become Republicans and stop flying the flag upside down. ... If they want to be Americans, they should learn to speak English and fly their flag like we do."

Senator Howard Stephenson, R-Draper, spoke against the resolution, saying Larsen, whom he called a "true patriot and a close friend," was embarrassing the Republican Party.
"I agree with 95 percent of this resolution but it has some language that is divisive and not inspiring other people to its vision," he said. "This only gives fodder to the liberal media to give negative attention to the Republican Party."

Joel Wright, a member of the Cedar Hills City Council, was booed as he opposed the resolution.

"This might be the most divisive issue in the Republican Party," he said. "I support President Bush but he needs to support this issue harder."

When Wright said "the economic benefit (of illegal immigration) outweighs the downside" he was jeered. He warned that the Republican Party of California had "killed themselves" by taking a hostile stance against illegal aliens.

He also said the LDS Church has studied the issue and tried to determine whether illegal aliens could be given temple recommends and allowed to serve missions but "gave up" because the issue was too complex. He ended by saying "President Bush needs to fix this now" and was booed again.

Larsen was allowed to finish the debate with a one-minute speech.

"If the Democrats take over the country, we will be dead, and we will have abortion and partial-birth abortion and the Republican Party will go into extinction," he said. "Nancy Pelosi and the ACLU would oppose this (resolution)."

A member of the audience moved that the convention suspend its rules to allow the "objectionable part" of Larsen's resolution to be stricken, retaining only the final paragraphs of the resolution, which condemn illegal immigration. Eventually party officials counted all delegates in attendance, only to discover that, with 299, they were about 30 short of a quorum and could take no action.

"I did ask people to stay so we could have this discussion," said Senator Curt Bramble, R-Provo, who chaired the convention. Bramble had earlier asked those gathered not to thwart a discussion on the resolution, saying it would be "good for the party."

In other business, those gathered voted against removing some of the party's leadership.
Letters supporting the re-election of party chairwoman Marian Monnahan and secretary Susan Bramble were mailed in envelopes bearing the party's return address, causing delegate Russell Sias to demand they be removed from office. A spokesperson for Alexander's Print Advantage, which handled the mailing, spoke at the convention, saying employees had mistaken put the address on the envelopes and the company took full responsibility for the snafu.

In a speech, Enid Greene, state Republican Party chair, announced to applause that she will remarry in a few months. Greene's first marriage came to an infamous end during her tenure in the U.S. House of Representatives when her husband, Joe Waldholtz, who was her campaign manager, was charged with embezzling. He eventually pled guilty to campaign fraud and other charges.

Greene said she was disappointed in BYU professors who protested Dick Cheney's visit to campus, calling them "self-appointed intellectuals."

"I'm not calling for BYU to fire them but if no one signs up for their classes ..." she said. "If they say the Vice President doesn't have anything to say we want to hear, I'm not interested in having my daughter learn from them."

All of the speakers praised those gathered. Lt. Governor Gary Herbert said Utah County Republicans are "guided by correct principles" and are the "best of the best" of the Republican Party.

Bramble assailed those who would called the local Republican Party "broken," saying the party was accountable and accomplishing good work, including the approval of school vouchers and granting UVSC university status.

Congressman Chris Cannon and Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff both received a standing ovation from some members of the audience. Cannon said Democrats have just as many corrupt party members as the Republicans but the media does not report Democratic ethics violations.

Shurtleff said that while Americans are divided on the war in Iraq, Salt Lake Mayor Rocky Anderson should not refer to President Bush as a war criminal.

Caleb Warnock can be reached at 443-3263 or cwarnock@heraldextra.com.
This story appeared in The Daily Herald on page B1.

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1. Comment #36178 by WalkingARazor on April 30, 2007 at 12:25 pm

 avatarWe should throw people like this out of the country, then we'd have more room for immigrants. Problem solved!

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2. Comment #36179 by cassdenata on April 30, 2007 at 12:29 pm

Oh come on, it isn't that bad. These extremist christians are harmless, deluded Yes, but...wait, WTF, these are Political leaders. These whackos are running a state. Damn, I should have read that more closely.

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3. Comment #36184 by Phaderus on April 30, 2007 at 12:38 pm

 avatarWow, I don't feel so bad about being raised in Kansas anymore!

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4. Comment #36187 by Janus on April 30, 2007 at 12:44 pm

 avatarWhat amazes me is that no matter how many stories like this they read, no matter how many statistics we show them, many moderate believers (and even atheists) will continue to think that fundamentalist nuts are a small minority in the USA.

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5. Comment #36188 by MAS2007 on April 30, 2007 at 12:44 pm

 avatarWon't be voting repulican any time soon, or moving to Utah. Dooh!

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6. Comment #36191 by don malvado on April 30, 2007 at 12:56 pm

No wonder the republicans have such a bad reputation. Damn that liberal media!

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7. Comment #36192 by Lordsuhn on April 30, 2007 at 12:58 pm

 avatarWow . . .just . . .wow. What can you say to that? How do you argue with such inanity?

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8. Comment #36193 by Spitzmutt on April 30, 2007 at 1:02 pm

First Post:

"He also said the LDS Church has studied the issue and tried to determine whether illegal aliens could be given temple recommends and allowed to serve missions but "gave up" because the issue was too complex. He ended by saying "President Bush needs to fix this now" and was booed again."

What did the prayers to their god tell them to do on this complex issue, since it is too difficult for men? The god has an answer for everything. No. Bush has an answer for everything.

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9. Comment #36198 by CJ on April 30, 2007 at 1:13 pm

 avatar1# WalkingArazor
We should throw people like this out of the country, then we'd have more room for immigrants. Problem solved!

Don't you bloody dare kick him out, you made him, he's your problem we don't F$%^&*% want him!!!
However, why not pick a small Caribbean island, build an internment camp on it for presumed religious nutters and send him there. Ah the correct use for Camp Xray!

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10. Comment #36204 by 3legcat on April 30, 2007 at 1:25 pm

very sad, very sad for my country

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11. Comment #36211 by Roll on April 30, 2007 at 1:53 pm

I'm sorry for you 3legcat. I'm sorry too. Unfortunately my voting rights for the constituents in Utah are limited.

However the church of LSD does sound rather interesting... oh, wait... LDS, damn. Maybe next year.

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12. Comment #36213 by Red Foot Oakie on April 30, 2007 at 1:56 pm

 avatarSweet merciful Christ! What a creepy bunch.

Sometimes I think that democracy is going to ultimately fail because nice normal people don't go to these sorts of meetings- it's the ones who are all rilled up about something.

Madness! Maaaaadness!

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13. Comment #36220 by scottishgeologist on April 30, 2007 at 2:22 pm

 avatarThis "Satan" BS isnt just found amongst fundie republicans. There are a lot of Christian types in this country (the UK) who are just as bad. My wife has several evangie friends who will talk about "being under attack from Satan" and "under assault" when things get bad. I remember hearing about a church that had problems - elder was shagging pastors wife or something - and this was attributed to Satan.

Of course, the ladies of Landover have the right answers:

http://www.fes-net.com/_lob/LOL/sounds/whipSatan.wav

http://www.fes-net.com/_lob/LOL/sounds/skeerd.wav

More at: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/LOL/lol.html

:-)))))

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14. Comment #36221 by pissinintothewind on April 30, 2007 at 2:22 pm

Larsen is obviously insane and needs committing, sad and frightening for all concerned.

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15. Comment #36222 by FXR on April 30, 2007 at 2:24 pm

 avatarThe children of immigrants think immigrants should be thrown out of the country?

It's sad that so many rational Americans will be painted with the All Americans Are Mad brush.

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16. Comment #36223 by ykboots on April 30, 2007 at 2:25 pm

I think some German fellow tried some of this scapegoating in the '30s and '40's.
Parallels can be frightening.

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17. Comment #36227 by stephenray on April 30, 2007 at 2:40 pm

"At the end of his speech, Larsen began to cry, saying illegal immigrants were trying to bring about the destruction of the U.S. "by self invasion."
"

Wha'fa?

pace Lewis Black: "It's a simple math problem. What quantity of what sort of drug would *you* need to be that deluded?"

He began to CRY? For goodness sake, what has America been doing to its children so they grow up this out of touch with reality?

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18. Comment #36237 by Shuggy on April 30, 2007 at 3:25 pm

 avatarCrazy resolutions often get thrown up in the last hour of a conference, when many people have left - and are often appalled to read in the paper next morning at home what "they" have passed.

That's why we have quora.

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19. Comment #36240 by firemancarl on April 30, 2007 at 3:36 pm

 avatarGreene said she was disappointed in BYU professors who protested Dick Cheney's visit to campus, calling them "self-appointed intellectuals."


Damn that kills me. Aren't we all self appointed intellectuals? This ought to prove how wacked out our Rep. party has become. Run and manned by the ignorant. Jesus Aged Christ on a popsicle stick!

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20. Comment #36245 by Nails on April 30, 2007 at 3:49 pm

 avatarHey hey, and i thought i'd have to make difficult chices at the upcoming local elections.
i don't care what their religious stance is, but if they try to pass resolutions like that then i will try and have them sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

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21. Comment #36247 by mjwemdee on April 30, 2007 at 3:54 pm

 avatarPlea from here on the other side of the Atlantic: what is going on over there???? Can anyone explain what the **** this 'convention' thought it was doing?

This reads like Lewis Carroll on coke...

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22. Comment #36250 by Kimpatsu on April 30, 2007 at 4:08 pm

 avatarI beleive in a one-world sexular order. So I must be one of Satan's minions! Like, wow!

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23. Comment #36261 by Big T on April 30, 2007 at 5:03 pm

scottishgeologist: I know not if you are aware of it, but the Landover Baptist website, as funny as it is, is an offshoot of what, for my money, is the funniest website ever. That being, of course, the website of "America's Best Christian", Mrs. Betty Bowers. If you haven't checked out that website, you should. So should everbody who visits this website. More than once, I've laughed until I cried. It is priceless!

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24. Comment #36265 by MIND_REBEL on April 30, 2007 at 5:18 pm

 avatarThe people at landover baptist are crazy. It's so commercializied, it's sick. We are heading into another stoneage with those nutcases running around, and voting, too.

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25. Comment #36274 by js5535 on April 30, 2007 at 6:31 pm

 avatarI really thought that article was a parody for a little while.

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26. Comment #36293 by troyreynolds86 on April 30, 2007 at 8:54 pm

If the Washington DC Voting Rights bill stands up to the constitutional challenge in the courts that it will face, Utah will also be given another vote in the House. Which one of those wackos or a related wacko will end up with a vote in Congress.

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27. Comment #36294 by Mr. Grape on April 30, 2007 at 8:55 pm

Comment #21

I live in the United States and it probably made as much sense to you as it did to me. From what I gathered the utah county republicans(right/conservative viewpoint/bed fellows with most christian nuts) had some sort of meeting/rally where they discussed what should be done about the illegal immigration problem. Hilarity and insanity ensue as they talk about satan and the bush administration.

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28. Comment #36392 by Logicel on May 1, 2007 at 3:10 am

 avatarMIND_REBEL, the Landover Baptist website is a spoof, brilliantly poking fun at fundies.

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29. Comment #36395 by _J_ on May 1, 2007 at 3:28 am

 avatarWall around Utah?

Old technology (ask the Romans and the Chinese), pretty simple to construct, less side-effects and moral complications than thermonuclear option. Simplest ideas often best. Just a thought.

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30. Comment #36409 by Vaal on May 1, 2007 at 4:05 am

 avatarWouldn't the indigenous population of America regard all these pompous fools as "illegal immigrants"?

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31. Comment #36488 by dick214 on May 1, 2007 at 10:14 am

You all are missing a very important point here: Carl Rove is an admitted unbeliever and I have no doubt that Bush serves as his own narcissistic diety. These people are utterly cynical, much like Falwell, and will embrace anything that empowers them. They love this crap! These are their people and they can't get psychotic enough to suit the Bush bunch. These are the dregs of Bush's power base and he is not thereby embarrassed in the least. Dr. Goebbels talked at great length about this in his modest update of Machiavelli.

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32. Comment #36604 by Mormonatheist on May 1, 2007 at 5:54 pm

I live in Utah county, home of BYU, the private religious college owned by the mormon church. People here literally look at Salt Lake City (about 50 miles north of us) as an evil bastion of secularism. I clicked on this link hoping to read some hilarious article about idiot fundies in Kansas or Arkansas or some other kansas, only to realize that I live in a place where people who really should not be allowed to operate a vehicle or graduate from high school, are instead elected to public office.

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33. Comment #36627 by John Phillips on May 1, 2007 at 7:20 pm

I know I shouldn't but I can't stop laughing after reading that. Somebody please put my mind at ease and assure me that this is a parody and not reality. Otherwise, we are doomed, doomed I say. Next they'll be burning witches again.

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34. Comment #36695 by L.Minnik on May 2, 2007 at 3:14 am

"I'm not calling for BYU to fire them but if no one signs up for their classes ..." she said. "If they say the Vice President doesn't have anything to say we want to hear, I'm not interested in having my daughter learn from them."

Interesting way of choosing what is worth learning.

Btw, I noticed that somehow students maybe not be too keen on discussing politics.
Even when the Iraq war was just to begin, many students from my campus going, still in sociology classes chose other topics over this one.

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35. Comment #36920 by cmacblue42 on May 2, 2007 at 7:44 pm

In my research on this issue, the number of estimated illegal immigrants hit 12 million recently while the number of un employed peoples is just 6.7 million, many of which were layed off from tech companies, and getting payed at a rate of well above 10 dollars an hour, and owuldnt consider doing labor at all. So, if we did get rid of the illegal immigrants, we are
f-ed

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36. Comment #37701 by Jimill on May 5, 2007 at 1:36 pm

 avatarThey'd be more accurate if they had replaced the term "Illegal Imigrants" with "Ultra Right-Wing Fundementalists" when they say they "are determined to destroy this country, and there is nothing they won't do."

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37. Comment #44122 by Bremas on May 23, 2007 at 10:54 am

How did I miss this one first time around. This deserves a place in the Hall of Fame of the Hall of Fame.

No one has yet pointed out that it is a parody. Which would be easier to believe.

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