Skip to Main Content (access key 1)
Skip to Search (access key 2)
Skip to Search GO (access key 3)
Skip to comments (access key 4)
Skip to navigation (access key 5)
Skip to top of page (access key 6)
Sunday, May 6, 2007 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments |

Document The torture of the grave Islam and the afterlife

by Leor Halevi

Reposted:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/04/opinion/edhalevi.php

Hardly a week goes by without front-page news of Muslims dying somewhere in the world in a violent way. Despite all the media attention, there is little understanding among non-Muslims of Islamic views of death and the afterlife.

Everyone knows, of course, that after death martyrs go straight to the Garden of Eden, where they recline on couches, savor meats and fruits and enjoy the company of dark-eyed houris while listening to the sound of flowing rivers.

But what happens to the vast majority of Muslims, those who do not die as martyrs?

According to Islamic doctrine, between the moment of death and the burial ceremony, the spirit of a deceased Muslim takes a quick journey to Heaven and Hell, where it beholds visions of the bliss and torture awaiting humanity at the end of days.

By the time corpse handlers are ready to wash the body, the spirit returns to earth to observe the preparations for burial and to accompany the procession toward the cemetery. But then, before earth is piled upon the freshly dug grave, an unusual reunion takes place: The spirit returns to dwell within the body.

In the grave, the deceased Muslim - this composite of spirit and corpse - encounters two terrifying angels, Munkar and Nakir, recognized by their bluish faces, their huge teeth and their wild hair.

These angels carry out a trial to probe the soundness of a Muslim's faith. If the dead Muslim answers their questions convincingly and if he has no sin on record, then the grave is transformed into a luxurious space that makes bearable the long wait until the final judgment.

But if a Muslim's faith is imperfect or if he has sinned during life by, for example, failing repeatedly to undertake purity rituals before prayer, then the grave is transformed into an oppressive, constricting space.

The earth begins to weigh down heavily upon the sentient corpse, until the rib cage collapses; worms begin to nibble away at the flesh, causing horrible pain.

This torture does not continue indefinitely. It occurs intermittently and ends at the very latest with the resurrection - when God may well forgive Muslims who have endured the punishment.

Surely this violence sounds medieval. Belief in "the torture of the grave" indeed stretches way back in history. It appears in eighth-century epitaphs and in early Islamic traditions, which elevated this belief to the status of dogma.

But pious Muslims today continue to adhere to this belief. In invocations, funeral prayers, sermons, and popular literature, Muslims are frequently reminded to heed this punishment.

Anecdotal evidence suggests that many of them take it seriously. The psychologist Ahmed M. Abdel-Khalek, who has studied anxieties about death among Arab youth, has found that preoccupation with the torture of the grave remains acute.

The Egyptians and Kuwaitis he polled worried about this torture more than they feared losing a dear relative or succumbing to a serious, fatal disease.

Recently, an Islamist Web site posted a picture of an 18-year-old man exhumed by the order of his father. Only three hours had passed since his burial, but already his corpse appeared aged and bruised. Scientists, according to the story, affirmed that this was caused by the torture of the grave; and the father explained that his son had been a sinner.

Many Muslims commenting on the picture took it as a sign from God to stop sinning and as a reminder to pray assiduously for relief from the punishment of the tomb. Several doubted the reality of the picture, prompting the author of the Web site to remove the posting and to apologize for it. But even a skeptic who challenged the "scientific" evidence professed in this public forum his belief in the reality of the torture of the grave.

Muslims can escape the torture of the grave by dying as martyrs. In Islam the category of martyr does not belong exclusively to those who die fighting in God's path. According to Islamic tradition, Muslims who die in a fire, by drowning, in the collapse of a building or in some other way involving great physical suffering merit the rank of martyrs in the afterlife.

This means that immediately after death, their spirits do not return to dwell within mutilated or burned corpses. Instead they enter the Garden of Eden, where they receive new bodies, perfectly reformed, so as to enjoy the rewards of martyrdom until the resurrection. Those who have lost a relative in a violent and shocking death - in the bombings in Baghdad, for instance - may find some consolation in this belief.

Leor Halevi, a professor of history at Texas A&M University, is the author of "Muhammad's Grave: Death Rites and the Making of Islamic Society."

Comments 1 - 39 of 39 |

Reload Comments | Back to Top | Page Numbers

1. Comment #37971 by Jack Rawlinson on May 6, 2007 at 2:16 pm

 avatarIt would be funny if it wasn't so utterly pathetic.

Other Comments by Jack Rawlinson

2. Comment #37975 by PeterK on May 6, 2007 at 2:34 pm

.."Everyone knows, of course, that after death martyrs go straight to the Garden of Eden, where they recline on couches, savor meats and fruits and enjoy the company of dark-eyed houris while listening to the sound of flowing rivers..."

What? No pizza?

No Steely Dan?

I wonder if that talking snake is still hangin around....

Other Comments by PeterK

3. Comment #37976 by Hylo on May 6, 2007 at 2:38 pm

"Those who have lost a relative in a violent and shocking death - in the bombings in Baghdad, for instance - may find some consolation in this belief."

That may well be the sickest thing ever written. In what possible way could the relative of a loved one who had been killed by a suicide bomber kind comfort in the thought that while their loved one could be suffering the horrors of a Muslims afterlife the killer is lapping it up in paradise?

It's easily one of the stupidest things I've ever read and how exactly does somebody who believe such things not warrant an extended stay in a psychiatric unit?

Other Comments by Hylo

4. Comment #37977 by mjwemdee on May 6, 2007 at 2:45 pm

 avatarNo...sorry...I just can't get my head round any of this.

Other Comments by mjwemdee

5. Comment #37985 by scottishgeologist on May 6, 2007 at 3:12 pm

 avatarYou know how you read these things , and you think "was that a spoof?" "am I going to make a complete tit of myself here by thinking that was genuine?" or "Come on, youre joking"

I checked out these Nakir and Munkar dudes. From Wikipedia:

"Nakir and Munkar prop the deceased soul upright in the grave and ask three questions: "Who is your Lord? Who is your Prophet? What is your religion?" A righteous believer will respond correctly, saying that their Lord is Allah, that Muhammad is their prophet and that their religion is Islam. If the deceased answers correctly, the time spent awaiting the resurrection is pleasant. Those who do not answer as described above are chastized until the day of judgment"

OK, we laugh, we mock, we know better. Question to muzzies: "can you lot PROVE any of this?" Question to Christians (before you get too smug) "why is your version of events any better?" Surely it is equally ludicrous?

Other Comments by scottishgeologist

6. Comment #37994 by TranshumanAtheist on May 6, 2007 at 3:38 pm

What if some of the dead Muslim's organs get transplanted into living infidels' bodies?

Other Comments by TranshumanAtheist

7. Comment #37998 by Ace Rimmer on May 6, 2007 at 3:45 pm

 avatarI would hate to have a panic disorder in a constricted grave while dead....Wait a minute is it still possible to get a panic attack while dead?Oh the mysteries of theology.

Other Comments by Ace Rimmer

8. Comment #37999 by Vinelectric on May 6, 2007 at 3:46 pm

 avatarNo scottishgeologist we can't

I guess that's the whole pointless point of 'having faith'

Read the following verses. You may have come across people who would have a sort of a vulnerability-a predisposition into buying into this sort of psychological subversion. You may even imagine what the effect would be on children raised to hear these sorts of stories from a young age. Those children need not have the same predispositions as the parents but the psychological scarring is permanent. You'll get the idea how the meme then propagates down the generations.

Bear in mind it sounds quite strongly poetic and rather intoxicating in its original Arabic.

This passage talks about death and Judgement day (from surah 79)

[1] By the (angels) who tear out (the souls of the wicked) with violence;

[2] By those who gently draw out (the souls of the blessed);

[3] And by those who glide along (on errands of mercy),

[4] Then press forward as in a race,

[5] Then arrange to do (the Commands of their Lord),

[6] One day everything that can be in commotion will be in violent commotion.

[7] Followed by oft-repeated (commotions):

[8] Hearts that Day will be in agitation;

[9] Cast down will be (their owners') eyes.

[10] They say (now): "What! Shall we indeed be returned to (our) former state?

[11] "What! When we shall Have become rotten bones?"

[12] They say: "It would, in that case, be a return with loss!"

[13] But verily, it will be but a single (compelling) Cry,

[14] When, behold, they will be in the (full) awakening (to Judgment).

Hope this gives you an idea about how the faith system works.

Other Comments by Vinelectric

9. Comment #38007 by phil rimmer on May 6, 2007 at 4:18 pm

 avatarDigging under the surface of any bully usually reveals a pathetic and scared individual. Creating them in industrial quantities is clearly possible with this kind of ingenious mental poison.

For the first time it occurs to me to feel pity rather than anger.

Other Comments by phil rimmer

10. Comment #38010 by mbcraig11 on May 6, 2007 at 4:23 pm

On the bright side......in the odd chance that Nakir and Munkar show up to my grave I can fake my way through that three question exam no problem :)

lol unbelievable

Other Comments by mbcraig11

11. Comment #38019 by kaiserkriss on May 6, 2007 at 5:12 pm

 avatarHow sick can you get! This is absolute stone age mentality. Carrot and stick, the lively hood of religion...
Anybody with an IQ above that of a 10watt light bulb living in the 21st Century even in the most backward of places should recognize this for what it actually is, namely scare tactics. jcw

Other Comments by kaiserkriss

12. Comment #38039 by Tridhos on May 6, 2007 at 7:30 pm

 avatarBilly Connelly the Scottish comedian on a visit to a Belfast cemetery related how the cemetery was shared by Catholics and Protestants with both faiths being buried in their own half of the cemetery. However the Catholic bishop insisted that the cemetery be divided by a wall to separate the two religions. The amusing part about it was that the wall was built below ground and Billy Connelly wondered whether this was to stop the buried from intermingling after death.

Other Comments by Tridhos

13. Comment #38041 by Bonzai on May 6, 2007 at 7:42 pm

 avatarThings like that actually confirm evolution. We are obviously just monkeys, how else can you explain a large number of people actually believing in something so retarded?

P.S. I know technically I should say "primates" or at least "apes" instead of "monkeys". But I prefer the sound of "monkeys".

Other Comments by Bonzai

14. Comment #38084 by Patrick McArdle on May 6, 2007 at 11:57 pm

"Who is your Lord? Who is your Prophet? What is your religion?"

That sounds like a scene near the end of a M. Python movie... shot in Scotland, if I recall properly.

Other Comments by Patrick McArdle

15. Comment #38091 by MelM on May 7, 2007 at 12:28 am

It's hard to believe but some religious guy (a person of faith) invented this stuff and was quite pleased with himself. He just made it all up!

Other Comments by MelM

16. Comment #38098 by Rtambree on May 7, 2007 at 1:10 am

What's the difference between the story above, Christianity, Scientology, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or the Old Testament?

Other Comments by Rtambree

17. Comment #38104 by CJ on May 7, 2007 at 1:43 am

 avatar#4 Halo wrote

"Those who have lost a relative in a violent and shocking death - in the bombings in Baghdad, for instance - may find some consolation in this belief."


That may well be the sickest thing ever written. In what possible way could the relative of a loved one who had been killed by a suicide bomber kind comfort in the thought that while their loved one could be suffering the horrors of a Muslims afterlife the killer is lapping it up in paradise?

It's easily one of the stupidest things I've ever read and how exactly does somebody who believe such things not warrant an extended stay in a psychiatric unit?


At what point should the holder of this belief be sent to a psychiatric unit?

At birth? When that can talk at say between 18 and 24 months and mime to their parents "God is Great"? At 5 when they can quote verses from the Koran? At 10 after spending years in a madrasa being indoctrinated by specialist brain washers who were indoctrinated in the same way as them? At what age does this person stop being a victim of a process to turn them in Muslim who because of their upbringing you think they should be sent to a psychiatric unit? What real choice did they have?

People who follow these beliefs have little or no choice. They are victims who become perpetrators forged to propagate the Islamic meme. One should look beyond the meme and see the person. Their belief appears stupid to us but it does not to them, they live it, breathe it and feel it every minute of every day, it is their all encompassing existence.

As a Muslim if I believed in the effect of vicarious martyrdom I could hold on to that belief (delusion) and know in my heart that my relative had been spared the torture of the grave and got a free pass into paradise. I suspect that in the shock and horror of lose the human mind is capable of infinite self delusion.

Stupidity is a lack of intelligence not a moral choice. A person brought up in a closed dogmatic environment will understand that what they are told is true is true and they will act upon that understanding. It is completely normal to inherit your world view from the culture you are brought up in. Later in life if you are lucky you may gain access to another world view which you can logically evaluate against your own upbringing.

We are all just the sum of our perceptions moderated by our intelligence. We all start out blank with variable potential. Somebody born in Saudi Arabia or Poland isn't necessarily stupid just very unlucky.

Other Comments by CJ

18. Comment #38107 by bitbutter on May 7, 2007 at 1:52 am

 avatar
"Those who have lost a relative in a violent and shocking death - in the bombings in Baghdad, for instance - may find some consolation in this belief."

That may well be the sickest thing ever written. In what possible way could the relative of a loved one who had been killed by a suicide bomber kind comfort in the thought that while their loved one could be suffering the horrors of a Muslims afterlife the killer is lapping it up in paradise?

I think the suggestion here is that the victims of the bomb would go to paradise anyway, and that idea is consoling for their relatives. Presumably you get to skip the trail in the grave if your body is badly damaged enough when you die.

Other Comments by bitbutter

19. Comment #38130 by Hylo on May 7, 2007 at 4:37 am

CJ, I completely agree with what you wrote, and it was incredibley well written. I was intentionally being a bit facetious. I do think it's an interesting question however.

These beliefs are clearly and definitely false in the extreme. They are delusional. Now you're absolutely right that for the majority they have no say or choice in acquiring these beliefs, and probably a lot them (the fundamentalists at least) may never have been exposed to arguments and evidence to the contrary, but where they have, and they persist in their beliefs against all evidence to contrary, might they not be seen as delusional (isn't that the definition of delusion afterall), perhaps not in the same way as somebody who thinks his next door neighbour is plotting to kill him but in a way that their view of reality is so distorted that they need help to start viewing the world as it really is.

I don't for a second believe what these fundies are doing is irrational. It's perfectly rational behaviour and exactly what should be expected if somebody really believes what they say they believe. But regardless of how they acquired the beliefs, it doesn't change the fact that what they believe is so far beyond the pale that they could rightly be considered in need of psychological care, especially if the beliefs they hold can lead them to kill themselves and others.

Other Comments by Hylo

20. Comment #38133 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 5:05 am

 avatarbitbutter wrote: I think the suggestion here is that the victims of the bomb would go to paradise anyway, and that idea is consoling for their relatives. Presumably you get to skip the trail in the grave if your body is badly damaged enough when you die.
______

What a way to ramp up the violence in a society, to make violence perfectly feasible, because its destructive effects, the destruction of human bodies, will ensure the escaping of 'coffin torture.'

Other Comments by Logicel

21. Comment #38135 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 5:07 am

 avatarCremation, which the Hindus do, must be considered anathema to the muslims--it would take all the potency out of the scare tactics of 'coffin torture.'

Other Comments by Logicel

22. Comment #38136 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 5:10 am

 avatarHylo wrote: But regardless of how they acquired the beliefs, it doesn't change the fact that what they believe is so far beyond the pale that they could rightly be considered in need of psychological care, especially if the beliefs they hold can lead them to kill themselves and others.
______

As all religions are cults, and there has been therapy designed to deprogram followers of cults, then perhaps, this kind of therapy can/will be applied to supporters of religious superstitions.

Other Comments by Logicel

23. Comment #38140 by BaronOchs on May 7, 2007 at 5:36 am

 avatarLogicel that last post[24] sounds just a wee bit sinister to me.

Engage in indoctrination the mainstream religions may well do but there are still vast differences between them and cults. I think it is a mistake to regard them as the same.

Other Comments by BaronOchs

24. Comment #38143 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 5:41 am

 avatarBaronOchs, Please delineate the vast differences between mainstream religions and cults--when you have the time of course.

Other Comments by Logicel

25. Comment #38151 by BaronOchs on May 7, 2007 at 6:03 am

 avatarLogicel I will say what comes immediately to mind in answer to your question.

I have read a little about some cults such as the moonies for instance. Any cult member generally does not think about anything other than the doings of their cult, or do any activities not related to their cult. It is a complete mind takeover.

I am a lapsed christian and I recall from church there were the uber-devout members somewhat like the above description. But there are plenty of people for whom church is just one of the things they do and are quite willing to take the teachings of their faith with a pinch of salt if need be. I don't think the average parish priest in britain would quake if some of his parishioners missed mass every now and again to go to a football match (or whatever). In a proper cult you would not get that!

I haven't got statistics but my well formed impression is certainly more than half of children of catholic parents or attendees of catholic schools do not practice the faith as adults. (Admittedly this "crisis of transmission" is bewailed by not a few priests and others).

As I understand in the UK someone with a mental illness can be treated against their will, but I think only if they are seen to be an immediate danger to themselves or others (I will have to check this). I think that is cautious enough. If people want to practice a delusional faith in a free society they should be able to do so without having treatment "applied" to them against their will.

In the same way we have every right to deny faith respect and consistently challenge believers to re-examine their position.

Other Comments by BaronOchs

26. Comment #38161 by Logicel on May 7, 2007 at 6:28 am

 avatarBaronOchs, I agree with your all points.

You wrote, If people want to practice a delusional faith in a free society they should be able to do so without having treatment "applied" to them against their will.

My point is that as there is similarity in the indoctrination aspect of both mainstream religions and classic cults, that perhaps what has been learned from deprograming members of the classic cults, like Moonies, could be 'applied' in advancing a way of assisting recovering supporters of religious superstitions to deal with their anger and sense of loss of an all loving though a bit nutty sky daddy. I did not mean that this 'application' be forcibly done, as it has been for the members of the classic cults (and I do not agree with forced therapy even in the case with classic cults). I suppose my not clearly explaining what I meant by 'apply' motivated your describing my comment as being a bit 'sinister'?

Other Comments by Logicel

27. Comment #38162 by BaronOchs on May 7, 2007 at 6:40 am

 avatar
I suppose my not clearly explaining what I meant by 'apply' motivated your describing my comment as being a bit 'sinister'?


That is correct. In that case I think we agree. I was actually beginning to have doubts myself over my position. Based as it is on personal experience at the liberal end of religion. I have for instance met not a few evangelical christians and more fanatical catholics who do come across as brainwashed.

I was once at a talk organised by a university christian union where the speaker, who graduated from Oxford in history, stated that there is more evidence for christ's existence than almost any other historical figure!

I imagine it takes a powerful delusion to make a history graduate say that with a straight face.

Other Comments by BaronOchs

28. Comment #38169 by Eureka Step on May 7, 2007 at 7:00 am

 avatarYet again, can the live-and-let-live brigade please read this article, then tell me religion poses no threat.

Other Comments by Eureka Step

29. Comment #38177 by jayalenik on May 7, 2007 at 7:14 am

 avatarPatrick McArdle

Was that a african or europeon sparrow ?

Other Comments by jayalenik

30. Comment #38183 by Hylo on May 7, 2007 at 7:25 am

Logicel, the deprogramming of cultists is exactly what I was thinking of and I too am against the idea of forced therapy for perfectly harmless cult/religious members. If somebody wants to be a part of some cult or be extremely religious that's their right and choice, een if they didn't come to those beliefs by choice, but I think it would be a good thing to have in place should someone be identified as a serious candidate for becoming a religious killer. It could also be "applied" to failed suicide bombers or fanatics caught in the act of serious crime.

Other Comments by Hylo

31. Comment #38253 by CJ on May 7, 2007 at 10:26 am

 avatarDeadly Residue

Presume 1,500,000,000 Muslims
50% male = 750,000,000
50% < 30 = 375,000,000
50% > 15 = 187,500,000
1% fanatic = 1,875,000

At some point we could well face close to 2 million fanatics.

The solution?

Other Comments by CJ

32. Comment #38319 by Andreas on May 7, 2007 at 2:27 pm

 avatarGeorge Carlin has a quite good one about religiously inspired violence:

"-Do you believe in God?
- No (boom, dead)

- Do you believe in God?
- Yes.
- Do you believe in my God?
- No (boom, dead)

- My God has a bigger dick than your god!"

Other Comments by Andreas

33. Comment #38365 by xyz on May 7, 2007 at 10:18 pm

I think all Abrahamaic religions are fear-based control systems. The fact that they hold sway over so much of the world even today is testimony also to the human inability to meaningful introspection regarding the origins of life and existence. This inability creates a vacuum in most people that religion fills with these ludicrous theories. Most do not question these theories because they cannot come up with a better explanation themselves.

If we were to supply our theories of life to people, we would only be trying to supplant their dogma with our own dogma. I think the solution is to unmask religious ludicrousness respectfully until people question them enough to look for the 'real truth'. This is already beginning to happen I think.

Other Comments by xyz

34. Comment #38471 by bamboospitfire on May 8, 2007 at 8:17 am

 avatarConcerning comment #38010 by mbcraig11, since it's so painfully easy to answer the questions posed by Nakir and Munkar you have to wonder what that chump they exhumed had been doing to mess it up...

Other Comments by bamboospitfire

35. Comment #38922 by _J_ on May 9, 2007 at 1:52 pm

 avatar
...the grave is transformed into an oppressive, constricting space.


Gosh, there's no arguing with transformative powers like that. Powerful, these angels, powerful.

Other Comments by _J_

36. Comment #382945 by bali27 on May 29, 2009 at 8:50 am

is it really that simple....answer the three questions ...and that's it...????
I am afraid not...the answers would come out of ones faith he/she has developed in his/her life. The first question, for instance, shall be WHO IS YOUR "RUB" The word Rub in Arabic means the one who is solely responsible for your living and guidance as well. Now if the Muslim lives a life believing that it is his shop/business or any mode of his living that brings him his livlihood then he would never be able to answer the first question because he never developed that faith in his life that whatever comes to him was not due to his business etc but only through his Rub. If businesses would have been the source of lilvihood then no one should have failed in their efforts...each and every business must have prospered. Anyway...for non-Muslims it is really difficult to apprehend the concept as they are not having such faith.

Other Comments by bali27

37. Comment #382953 by CaptainMandate on May 29, 2009 at 9:01 am

 avatarI quite enjoyed reading this

not that I don't agree with the sentiments of others, of course it's sick and twisted but it's religion init

I never actually knew what muslims believed would happen and I feel a little more enlightened now so thanks.

growing up as a christian, indeed a catholic one, I never got anything so specific about the afterlife, it was all very nebulous. i expect the evangelical christians have beliefs as specific as this but just came on to say thanks for posting.

I feel I know a little more about the mind of a nutjob!

Other Comments by CaptainMandate

38. Comment #382958 by Prankster on May 29, 2009 at 9:15 am

 avatarSo that is what happens when a Muslim pases away-I've never pondered the Muslim afterlife before (not being a muslim, I wouldn't anyway, and I'm not religious in the slightest).

Anyway , to quote from the article; "two terrifying angels, Munkar and Nakir, recognized by their bluish faces, their huge teeth and their wild hair"-wow, sounds like a Friday night out in Liverpool, especially if you used to go the Grafton nightclub!

I'm joking.....

It's normally Saturday.

Other Comments by Prankster

39. Comment #382979 by root2squared on May 29, 2009 at 11:01 am

 avatarLOL. Quite hilarious though not very imaginative. Surely there are more painful ways of torturing people.

Other Comments by root2squared
Reload Comments | Back to Top

Comment Entry: Please Login

Register a new account

Username:

Password: