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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments |

Document Richard Dawkins explains his latest book

by Richard Dawkins

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I wanted to write The God Delusion six years ago. American friends counselled against, and my New York literary agent was horrified. Perhaps in Britain you could sell a book that criticized religion, he said. But in the US, don't even think about it. He hated to admit it, for he was an atheist like most American intellectuals, but religion was off limits to ridicule. You had to respect religion even if you didn't subscribe to it. Wendy Kaminer was exaggerating only slightly when she remarked that making fun of religion is as risky as burning a flag in an American Legion Hall. Concentrate on science, my American friends advised. Hands off religion. Let the grandeur of science speak for itself, and religion will die a natural death by ignominious comparison. I gave way and wrote The Ancestor's Tale instead.

I don't regret that decision, for The Ancestor's Tale is the nearest approach to a proud magnum opus that I am likely to achieve, and I could not wish it undone. But how different the cultural landscape looks today. After four years of Bush, my literary agent changed his tune. He started begging me to write The God Delusion. And publishers around America are now falling over themselves to bring out atheistic books from which they would have run a mile only a few years ago. Dan Dennett's Breaking the Spell (thoughtful and persuasive as we have come to expect of that scientifically savvy philosopher) is selling very nicely, as are Sam Harris's scintillating and more militant The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation (books whose almost every sentence makes you want to phone somebody up and read it out to them). Another that I am looking forward to is God: the Failed Hypothesis — How science shows that God does not exist, by that lucid and knowledgeable physicist Victor Stenger, due out early next year.

On the other side, of course there have always been huge numbers of religious books. You can't get away from them. But works like Francis Collins's The Language of God, and Alister McGrath's Dawkins' God: Genes, Memes and the Meaning of Life are a significant departure. They amount to an anxious backlash against the newly emergent scientific atheism. The same could be said of Ann Coulter's barbarically ignorant Godless: the Church of Liberalism. As an outsider, I observe American culture polarizing fast, and religion is at the center of the action.

America, founded in secularism as a beacon of eighteenth century enlightenment, is becoming the victim of religious politics, a circumstance that would have horrified the Founding Fathers. The political ascendancy today values embryonic cells over real people. It obsesses about gay marriage, ahead of genuinely important issues that actually make a difference to the world. It gains crucial electoral support from a constituency whose grip on reality is so tenuous that they expect to be 'raptured' up to heaven, leaving their clothes as empty as their minds. More extreme specimens actually long for a world war, which they identify as the 'Armageddon' that is to presage the Second Coming. Sam Harris, in Letter to a Christian Nation, hits the bull's-eye as usual:

It is, therefore, not an exaggeration to say that if the city of New York were suddenly replaced by a ball of fire, some significant percentage of the American population would see a silver-lining in the subsequent mushroom cloud, as it would suggest to them that the best thing that is ever going to happen was about to happen: the return of Christ . . .Imagine the consequences if any significant component of the U.S. government actually believed that the world was about to end and that its ending would be glorious. The fact that nearly half of the American population apparently believes this, purely on the basis of religious dogma, should be considered a moral and ­intellectual emergency.


Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? We don't know, but would anyone be surprised?

My scientific colleagues have additional reasons to declare emergency. Ignorant and absolutist attacks on stem cell research are just the tip of an iceberg. What we have here is nothing less than a global assault on rationality, and the Enlightenment values that inspired the founding of this first and greatest of secular republics. Science education — and hence the whole future of science in this country — is under threat. Temporarily beaten back in a Pennsylvania court, the 'breathtaking inanity' (Judge John Jones's immortal phrase) of 'intelligent design' continually flares up in local bush-fires. Dowsing them is a time-consuming but important responsibility, and scientists are finally being jolted out of their complacency. For years they quietly got on with their science, lamentably underestimating the creationists who, being neither competent nor interested in science, attended to the serious political business of subverting local school boards. Scientists, and intellectuals generally, are now waking up to the threat from the American Taliban. The God Delusion is my goodwill contribution from across the Atlantic to that awakening.

Scientists divide into two schools of thought over the best tactics with which to face the threat. The Neville Chamberlain 'appeasement' school, as I have called it in my book, focuses on the battle for evolution. Consequently, its members identify fundamentalism as the enemy, and they bend over backwards to appease 'moderate' or 'sensible' religion (not a difficult task, for bishops and theologians despise fundamentalists as much as scientists do). Scientists of the Winston Churchill school, by contrast, see the fight for evolution as only one battle in a larger war: a looming war between supernaturalism on the one side and rationality on the other. For them, bishops and theologians belong with creationists in the supernatural camp, and are not to be appeased.

The Chamberlain school accuses Churchillians of rocking the boat to the point of muddying the waters. The philosopher of science Michael Ruse wrote:

We who love science must realize that the enemy of our enemies is our friend. Too often evolutionists spend time insulting would-be allies. This is especially true of secular evolutionists. Atheists spend more time running down sympathetic Christians than they do countering ­creationists. When John Paul II wrote a letter endorsing Darwinism, Richard Dawkins's response was simply that the pope was a hypocrite, that he could not be genuine about science and that Dawkins himself simply preferred an honest fundamentalist.


A recent article in the New York Times by Cornelia Dean quotes the astronomer Owen Gingerich as saying that, by simultaneously advocating evolution and atheism, 'Dr Dawkins "probably single-handedly makes more converts to intelligent design than any of the leading intelligent design theorists".' This is not the first, not the second, not even the third time this plonkingly witless point has been made (and more than one reply has aptly cited Uncle Remus: "Oh please please Brer Fox, don't throw me in that awful briar patch").

Chamberlainites are apt to quote the late Stephen Jay Gould's 'NOMA' — 'non-overlapping magisteria'. Gould claimed that science and true religion never come into conflict because they exist in completely separate dimensions of discourse:

To say it for all my colleagues and for the umpteenth millionth time (from college bull sessions to learned treatises): science simply cannot (by its legitimate methods) adjudicate the issue of God's possible superintendence of nature. We neither affirm nor deny it; we simply can't comment on it as scientists.


This sounds terrific, right up until you give it a moment's thought. You then realize that the presence of a creative deity in the universe is clearly a scientific hypothesis. Indeed, it is hard to imagine a more momentous hypothesis in all of science.  A universe with a god would be a completely different kind of universe from one without, and it would be a scientific difference. God could clinch the matter in his favour at any moment by staging a spectacular demonstration of his powers, one that would satisfy the exacting standards of science. Even the infamous Templeton Foundation recognized that God is a scientific hypothesis — by funding double-blind trials to test whether remote prayer would speed the recovery of heart patients. It didn't, of course, although a control group who knew they had been prayed for tended to get worse (how about a class action suit against the Templeton Foundation?) Despite such well-financed efforts, no evidence for God's existence has yet appeared.

To see the disingenuous hypocrisy of religious people who embrace NOMA, imagine that forensic archeologists, by some unlikely set of circumstances, discovered DNA evidence demonstrating that Jesus was born of a virgin mother and had no father. If NOMA enthusiasts were sincere, they should dismiss the archeologists' DNA out of hand: "Irrelevant. Scientific evidence has no bearing on theological questions. Wrong magisterium." Does anyone seriously imagine that they would say anything remotely like that? You can bet your boots that not just the fundamentalists but every professor of theology and every bishop in the land would trumpet the archeological evidence to the skies.

Either Jesus had a father or he didn't. The question is a scientific one, and scientific evidence, if any were available, would be used to settle it. The same is true of any miracle — and the deliberate and intentional creation of the universe would have to have been the mother and father of all miracles. Either it happened or it didn't. It is a fact, one way or the other, and in our state of uncertainty we can put a probability on it — an estimate that may change as more information comes in. Humanity's best estimate of the probability of divine creation dropped steeply in 1859 when The Origin of Species was published, and it has declined steadily during the subsequent decades, as evolution consolidated itself from plausible theory in the nineteenth century to established fact today.

The Chamberlain tactic of snuggling up to 'sensible' religion, in order to present a united front against ('intelligent design') creationists, is fine if your central concern is the battle for evolution. That is a valid central concern, and I salute those who press it, such as Eugenie Scott in Evolution versus Creationism. But if you are concerned with the stupendous scientific question of whether the universe was created by a supernatural intelligence or not, the lines are drawn completely differently. On this larger issue, fundamentalists are united with 'moderate' religion on one side, and I find myself on the other.

Of course, this all presupposes that the God we are talking about is a personal intelligence such as Yahweh, Allah, Baal, Wotan, Zeus or Lord Krishna. If, by 'God', you mean nature, goodness, the universe, the laws of physics, the spirit of humanity, or Planck's constant, none of the above applies. An American student asked her professor whether he had a view about me. 'Sure,' he replied. 'He's positive science is incompatible with religion, but he waxes ecstatic about nature and the universe. To me, that is ­religion!' Well, if that's what you choose to mean by religion, fine, that makes me a religious man. But if your God is a being who designs universes, listens to prayers, forgives sins, wreaks miracles, reads your thoughts, cares about your welfare and raises you from the dead, you are unlikely to be satisfied. As the distinguished American physicist Steven Weinberg said, "If you want to say that 'God is energy,' then you can find God in a lump of coal." But don't expect congregations to flock to your church.

When Einstein said 'Did God have a choice in creating the Universe?' he meant 'Could the universe have begun in more than one way?' 'God does not play dice' was Einstein's poetic way of doubting Heisenberg's indeterminacy principle. Einstein was famously irritated when theists misunderstood him to mean a personal God. But what did he expect? The hunger to misunderstand should have been palpable to him. 'Religious' physicists usually turn out to be so only in the Einsteinian sense: they are atheists of a poetic disposition. So am I. But, given the widespread yearning for that great misunderstanding, deliberately to confuse Einsteinian pantheism with supernatural religion is an act of intellectual high treason.

Accepting, then, that the God Hypothesis is a proper scientific hypothesis whose truth or falsehood is hidden from us only by lack of evidence, what should be our best estimate of the probability that God exists, given the evidence now available? Pretty low I think, and I spend a couple of chapters of The God Delusion explaining why.

Most of the traditional arguments for God's existence, from Aquinas on, are easily demolished. Several of them, such as the First Cause argument, work by setting up an infinite regress which God is wheeled out to terminate. But we are never told why God is magically able to terminate regresses while needing no explanation himself. To be sure, we do need some kind of explanation for the origin of all things. Physicists and cosmologists are hard at work on the problem. But whatever the answer — a random quantum fluctuation or a Hawking/Penrose singularity or whatever we end up calling it — it will be simple. Complex, statistically improbable things, by definition, don't just happen; they demand an explanation in their own right. They are impotent to terminate regresses, in a way that simple things are not. The first cause cannot have been an intelligence — let alone an intelligence that answers prayers and enjoys being worshipped. Intelligent, creative, complex, statistically improbable things come late into the universe, as the product of evolution or some other process of gradual escalation from simple beginnings. They come late into the universe and therefore cannot be responsible for designing it.

Another of Aquinas' efforts, the Argument from Degree, is worth spelling out, for it epitomises the characteristic flabbiness of theological reasoning. We notice degrees of, say, goodness or temperature, and we measure them, Aquinas said, by reference to a maximum:

Now the maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus, as fire, which is the maximum of heat, is the cause of all hot things . . . Therefore, there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God.


That's an argument? As I point out in The God Delusion, you might as well say that people vary in smelliness but we can make the judgment only by reference to a perfect maximum of conceivable smelliness. Therefore there must exist a pre-eminently peerless stinker, and we call him God. Or substitute any dimension of comparison you like, and derive an equivalently fatuous conclusion. That's theology.

The only one of the traditional arguments for God that is widely used today is the teleological argument, sometimes called the Argument from Design although — since the name begs the question of its validity — it should better be called the Argument for Design. It is the familiar 'watchmaker' argument, which is surely one of the most superficially plausible bad arguments ever discovered — and it is rediscovered by just about everybody until they are taught the logical fallacy and Darwin's brilliant alternative.

In the familiar world of human artifacts, complicated things that look designed are designed. To naïve observers, it seems to follow that similarly complicated things in the natural world that look designed — things like eyes and hearts — are designed too. It isn't just an argument by analogy. There is a semblance of statistical reasoning here too — fallacious, but carrying an illusion of plausibility. If you randomly scramble the fragments of an eye or a leg or a heart a million times, you'd be lucky to hit even one combination that could see, walk or pump. This demonstrates that such devices could not have been put together by chance. And of course, no sensible scientist ever said they could. Lamentably, the scientific education of most British and American students omits all mention of Darwinism, and therefore the only alternative to chance that most people can imagine is design.

Even before Darwin's time, the illogicality was glaring: how could it ever have been a good idea to postulate, in explanation for the existence of improbable things, a designer who would have to be even more improbable? The entire argument is a logical non-starter, as David Hume realized before Darwin was born. What Hume didn't know was the supremely elegant alternative to both chance and design that Darwin was to give us. Natural selection is so stunningly powerful and elegant, it not only explains the whole of life, it raises our consciousness and boosts our confidence in science's future ability to explain everything else.

Natural selection is not just an alternative to chance. It is the only ultimate alternative ever suggested. Design is a workable explanation for organized complexity only in the short term. It is not an ultimate explanation, because designers themselves demand an explanation. If, as Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel once playfully speculated, life on this planet was deliberately seeded by a payload of bacteria in the nose cone of a rocket, we still need an explanation for the intelligent aliens who dispatched the rocket. Ultimately they must have evolved by gradual degrees from simpler beginnings. Only evolution, or some kind of gradualistic 'crane' (to use Dennett's neat term), is capable of terminating the regress. Natural selection is an anti-chance process, which gradually builds up complexity, step by tiny step. The end product of this ratcheting process is an eye, or a heart, or a brain — a device whose improbable complexity is utterly baffling until you spot the gentle ramp that leads up to it.

Whether my conjecture is right that evolution is the only explanation for life in the universe, there is no doubt that it is the explanation for life on this planet. Evolution is a fact, and it is among the more secure facts known to science. But it had to get started somehow. Natural selection cannot work its wonders until certain minimal conditions are in place, of which the most important is an accurate system of replication — DNA, or something that works like DNA.

The origin of life on this planet — which means the origin of the first self-replicating molecule — is hard to study, because it (probably) only happened once, 4 billion years ago and under very different conditions. We may never know how it happened. Unlike the ordinary evolutionary events that followed, it must have been a genuinely very improbable — in the sense of unpredictable — event: too improbable, perhaps, for chemists to reproduce it in the laboratory or even devise a plausible theory for what happened. This weirdly paradoxical conclusion — that a chemical account of the origin of life, in order to be plausible, has to be implausible — would follow from the premise that life is extremely rare in the universe. And to be sure, we have never encountered any hint of extraterrestrial life, not even by radio — the circumstance that prompted Enrico Fermi's cry: "Where is everybody?"

A billion billion is a conservative estimate for the number of planets in the universe. Suppose life's origin on a planet demands a hugely improbable stroke of luck, so improbable that it happens on only one in a billion planets. The National Science Foundation would laugh at any chemist whose proposed research had only a one in a hundred chance of succeeding, let alone one in a billion. Yet, if there are a billion billion planets in the universe, even such absurdly low odds as these will yield life on a billion planets. And — this is where the famous anthropic principle comes in — Earth has to be one of them, because here we are.

If you set out in a spaceship to find the one planet in the galaxy that has life, the odds against your finding it would be so great that the task would be indistinguishable, in practice, from impossible. But if you are alive (as you manifestly are if you are about to step into a spaceship) you needn't bother to go looking for that one planet because, by definition, you are already standing on it. The anthropic principle really is rather elegant. By the way, I don't actually think the origin of life was as improbable as all that. I think the galaxy has plenty of islands of life dotted about, even if the islands are too spaced out for any one to hope for a meeting with any other. My point is only that the origin of life could in theory be as lucky as a blindfolded golfer scoring a hole in one. The beauty of the anthropic principle is that, even in the teeth of such stupefying odds against, it still gives us a perfectly satisfying explanation for life's presence on our own planet.


The anthropic principle is usually applied not to planets but to universes. Physicists have suggested that the laws and constants of physics are too good — as if the universe were set up to favour our eventual evolution. It is as though there were, say, half a dozen dials representing the major constants of physics. Each of the dials could in principle be tuned to any of a wide range of values. Almost all of these knob-twiddlings would yield a universe in which life would be impossible. Some universes would fizzle out within the first picosecond. Others would contain no elements heavier than hydrogen and helium. In yet others, the matter would never condense into stars (and you need stars in order to forge the elements of chemistry and hence life). You can estimate the very low odds against the six knobs all just happening to be correctly tuned, and conclude that a divine knob-twiddler must have been at work. But, as we have already seen, that explanation is vacuous because it begs the biggest question of all. The divine knob twiddler would himself have to have been at least as improbable as the settings of his knobs.

Again, the anthropic principle delivers its devastatingly neat solution. Physicists already have reason to suspect that our universe — everything we can see — is only one universe among perhaps billions. Some theorists postulate a multiverse of foam, where the universe we know is just one bubble. Each bubble has its own laws and constants. Our familiar laws of physics are parochial bylaws. Of all the universes in the foam, only a minority has what it takes to generate life. And, with anthropic hindsight, we obviously have to be sitting in a member of that minority, because, well, here we are, aren't we? As physicists have said, it is no accident that we see stars in our sky, for a universe without stars would also lack the chemical elements necessary for life. There may be universes whose skies have no stars: but they also have no inhabitants to notice the lack. Similarly, it is no accident that we see a rich diversity of living species: for an evolutionary process that is capable of yielding a species that can see things and reflect on them cannot help producing lots of other species at the same time. It must be surrounded by an ecosystem, as it must be surrounded by stars.

The anthropic principle entitles us to postulate a massive dose of luck in accounting for the existence of life on our planet.  But there are dramatic limits. We are allowed one stroke of luck for the origin of evolution, and perhaps a couple of other unique events like the origin of the eukaryotic cell and the origin of consciousness. But that's the end of our entitlement to large-scale luck. We emphatically cannot invoke major strokes of luck to account for the illusion of design that glows from each of the billion species of living creature that have ever lived on Earth. The evolution of life is a general and continuing process, producing essentially the same result in all species, however different the details.

Contrary to what is sometimes alleged, evolution is a predictive science. If you pick any hitherto unstudied species and subject it to minute scrutiny, any evolutionist will confidently predict that each individual will be observed to do everything in its power, in the particular way of the species — plant, herbivore, carnivore, nectivore or whatever it is — to survive and propagate the DNA that rides inside it. We won't be around long enough to test the prediction but we can say, with great confidence, that if a comet strikes Earth and wipes out the mammals, a new fauna will rise to fill their shoes, just as the mammals filled those of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. And the range of parts played by the new cast of life's drama will be similar in broad outline, though not in detail, to the roles played by the mammals, and the dinosaurs before them. The same rules are predictably being followed, in millions of species all over the globe, and for hundreds of millions of years. Such a general observation requires an entirely different explanatory principle from the anthropic principle that explains one-off events like the origin of life, or the origin of the universe, by luck.

We explain our existence by a combination of the anthropic principle and Darwin's principle of natural selection. That combination provides a complete and deeply satisfying explanation for everything that we see and know. Not only is the god hypothesis unnecessary. It is spectacularly unparsimonious. Not only do we need no God to explain the universe and life. God stands out in the universe as the most glaring of all superfluous sore thumbs. We cannot, of course, disprove God, just as we can't disprove Thor, fairies and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But, like those other fantasies that we can't disprove, we can say that God is very very improbable.

The non-existence of God is the main conclusion of the first half of my book. The second half is devoted to questions that arise from it.

  • Why, if religion is false, do so many people believe in it? (I am one of those who see it as an unfortunate by-product of otherwise useful psychological predispositions).

  • Where, if not from religion, does our morality come from? Don't we need religion, in order to be good? (I cannot believe that those who advocate a morality based on the Bible have actually read it. We not only shouldn't get our morals from religion, we don't. Believers and unbelievers alike participate in a slowly shifting moral Zeitgeist rooted in Darwinian rules of thumb).

  • Even if religion is false, doesn't it do some good? (Yes, but only by accident). And weren't Hitler and Stalin atheists? (The answer is: No for Hitler, yes for Stalin, and your point is . . . ?)

  • Religion may be nonsense, but isn't it harmless nonsense, like astrology and crystal balls? Why be so hostile? (Scientists have a particular reason to be hostile to any systematically organized effort to teach children to reject evidence in favour of faith, revelation, authority and tradition. Religion teaches people to be satisfied with petty, small-minded non-explanations or mysteries, and this is a tragedy, given that the true explanations are so enthralling. Moreover, such hostility as I have is limited to words. I am not going to bomb anybody, behead them, stone them, burn them at the stake, crucify them, or fly planes into their skyscrapers, just because of a theological disagreement).


A recurring theme of my book is consciousness-raising. Just as Darwinian biology raised our consciousness to the power of science to explain things outside biology, and just as feminists taught us to flinch when we hear "One man one vote", I want us to flinch when we hear of a 'Christian child' or a 'Muslim child". Small children are too young to know their views on life, ethics and the cosmos. We should no more speak of a Christian child than of a Keynesian child, a monetarist child or a Marxist child. Automatic labelling of children with the religion of their parents is not just presumptuous. It is a form of mental child abuse.

Academic studies of Nobel Prize-winners, and other intellectual elites such as the US National Academy of Sciences and the Royal Society, all report an overwhelming preponderance of atheists. One would presume that a fair proportion of our elected rulers would also be drawn from the intellectual elite. Given that 93% of the National Academy does not believe in any kind of personal god, a statistician would expect that at least some members of Congress, if not a majority, would also be atheists. Yet, as far as I can discover, the number of avowed atheists among the 535 members of Congress is not 93%, not even 10%. It seems to be zero. What is going on here? I think we all know.

In 2001, the American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) based in the City University of New York, reported some surprising figures. The great majority of the US adult population call themselves Christian: 160 million adults. But what group takes second place? Jews? No. For all their formidable electoral clout, the 2.8 million Jews are massively outnumbered by the nearly 30 million non-religious or secular Americans. Organizing atheists is like herding cats. But if the unbelievers of America could only get their act together a tenth as effectively as the legendarily powerful Jewish lobby, what might they not achieve? Maybe at least some candidates for high office would gain the courage to tell us what they truly believe. And still get elected.

Richard Dawkins

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1. Comment #86 by Derevirn on September 21, 2006 at 10:07 pm

Well said Mr. Dawkins... that was a very passionate and eloquent article. I'm eagerly waiting for your book to be released in Europe.

2. Comment #88 by Stephen on September 21, 2006 at 10:28 pm

I was thrilled with surprise at seeing The God Delusion on the shelves early a couple days ago in Barnes and Noble. I had been expecting the October release date, and was completely shocked to see it out already. I picked it up immediately. I'm about 150 pages in so far, and it is a fantastic work. By the way, I also enjoyed The Ancestor's Tale---I would agree: a good candidate for a magnum opus (though I'll get back to you when I finish TGD).

3. Comment #92 by Andrew on September 21, 2006 at 11:11 pm

All the best with your goals, I applaud them and will support then monetarily when finances permit. Visiting the site I think of my father who repulsed by the actions of the priesthood as a young boy in Europe many years ago, decided god and his minions were a plague on hard working people. He stuck with that insight of his youth and is now at the age of 82 is a practising rationalist.
Still coming to grips with the workings of a computer is beyond him. So I look forward to passing on reading recommendations from this site. Please dont forget such people as my father. He reads with great difficulty, he learn English late in life so any good readable works you can recommend will be greatly appreciated. He greatly enjoyed Bill Bryson's "A Short History of nearly Everything" And "Devils Chaplain". Anyway I look forward to reading RD's latest. Regards

4. Comment #101 by G. Tingey on September 22, 2006 at 7:53 am

To which I willl add -
[1] I'm buying the book as soon as I can find a copy
and
[2] A testable proposition: "No god" is detectable. ( And is therefore 100% irrelevant, even if he/she/it/they exist )

5. Comment #106 by Gus on September 22, 2006 at 8:42 am

Well said Richard.
Keep up the good work.
Why don't you speak at ordinary state schools re.atheism and evolution?
Your books are fine for those who are able to read at this level, but what about the millions who can't?
Cheers!
All the Best.
Keep the Evolution and Atheist flag flying!
Gus.
(Biology Teacher, Scottish State School).

6. Comment #116 by Pi Guy on September 22, 2006 at 1:39 pm

I especially like the argument against labeling children as Christian, Muslim, or anything else. It really does come pretty close to abuse. It's ridiculous to assume that kids are responsible enough to comprehend the choice of something as large as Life, the Universe, and Everything (uh, religion) merely by sitting in a pew and yet they must wait until (near) adulthood to vote, drive, or consume alcohol.

My two daughters have never been told to pray or worship and, as a consequence, they don't seem be be missing anything. If they decide later on in life to practice some particular faith, that's fine. It should be their decision. But I do think that, should they choose that, I'd be disappointed that they'd be willing to suspend rational thinking in order to fit in or in an effort to gain some sense of false security. And I'm heading to Barnes & Noble as soon as I leave work to look for your new book!

7. Comment #122 by Nick on September 22, 2006 at 2:43 pm

Rob,
I'm not a Christian, and I don't hate God anymore than you hate Zeus.
Do you think Muslims hate God as well? What about agnostics and deists?
There are a lot of people in this world who aren't Christian. And there are lots of reasons why.
Nick

8. Comment #128 by John on September 22, 2006 at 3:22 pm

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I ordered the book "The God Delusion" a couple days ago. I am anxious to read it. Thanks for what you're doing for humanity, Mr. Dawkins!

.

9. Comment #134 by James on September 22, 2006 at 3:45 pm

Great article, Mr. Dawkins. I look forward to reading your new book. If only humanity could discard these primitive mythologies. Here it is, the 21st century and people still think there's an invisible man in the sky watching you. God is Santa Claus for adults. Both live far, far away in some magical place. Both keep track of your good and evil deeds. Both promise to reward or punish you according to these deeds. Both will not come until your asleep(or dead). I wish these people would grow up and realize this stuff is a bunch of fairy tales.

10. Comment #135 by Nick on September 22, 2006 at 3:50 pm

Agent of Goldstein:
"What kills me about atheists, is that after telling me there is no God to tell me what to do...they try to tell me what to do!"

Maybe they were trying to reason with you about what to do. I don't know.
If you don't have an authority to tell you what to do, if you don't already have all the "answers," then you're left with reason to try to figure things out. That's what America's founding fathers did.
Nick

11. Comment #156 by Brandon on September 23, 2006 at 12:30 am

An excellent, excellent article Mr. Dawkins. Intellectually devastating, as with all your work. I look forward to reading your latest accomplishment once it hits stores.

12. Comment #158 by melior on September 23, 2006 at 1:16 am

I share the feeling that the superficiality of religion somehow cheapens the true depth of the beauty of the universe we live in.

Your new book offers some hope that a few of the sufferers may some day be un-bornagain, and regain the beautiful balance of awe and reason that inspires your work.

13. Comment #199 by Duncan on September 23, 2006 at 9:32 am

"against the spineless school of thought of Ruse and Scott"

I'll say one thing for Ruse: he's interested in evolutionary explanations for ethics, which seems the way forward. The fact that he has lost his bottle as a result of spending too much time with the Creationists (thinking the way forward is to try and 'compromise' and 'find a middle ground' between reality and insanity) doesn't discredit the fact that a lot of the actual work he was doing before was very interesting and certainly something that more rationalists ought to look into:

The evolution of ethics pulls the rug from under the fundamentalist's most cherished (Kantian) argument that without God morality is impossible. Rather, by saying that ethics is a subset of human nature and saying that 'good' humans are essentially those who live in the fullness of human nature and that religion - by virtue of the fact that it violates basic principles of human thought - is a form of immorality, or at least a vice (which seems to be something people like Richard implicitly believe, even if he hasn't articulated it - I certainly do).

Alex: It's crucial as well that we don't end up with an incoherent message. I notice Sam Harris features prominently on the list on the left, which is fine because I like many others like Sam and am a big fan of his book. However, it is important to remember that Sam is fairly weak on certain pseudoscience topics - endorsing in certain passages of the End of Faith the possibility of reincarnation and psychic powers neither of which are notions acceptable to a rational view of the universe. Similarly Richard (as I recall) has said some rather strange things when he strays into areas of philosophy such as ethics which reveal a disappointing lack of though and do nothing to aid the cause. Likewise Steve Pinker who has written powerfully on evolutionary psychology cheerfully endorses a logically incoherent epiphenomenal view of consciousness of just the sort that Dan Dennett's major work is against. It would help if people didn't try and overstep their bounds and leave their areas of expertise - when they do otherwise they often seem to fumble and hurt our goals. Or so it seems to me.

Wayne: Yes Buddhism is non-theistic, but it's no less irrational. At it's heart are notions such as reincarnation, panpsychism and in extreme forms magic powers which can be achieved through lengthy meditation. When stripped of these things it may still exist, but only in a very watered down Zen form practiced by the likes of Sam Harris and Susan Blackmore which essentially amounts to 'I like meditating because it might make me a better person and strip me of certain self-deceptions'.

14. Comment #202 by Duncan on September 23, 2006 at 9:52 am

"Richard Dawkins’s response was simply that the pope was a hypocrite, that he could not be genuine about science and that Dawkins himself simply preferred an honest fundamentalist."

Which for those in doubt is why Richard is worth a million Michael Ruses (and a good few Sam Harrises). He has a sense of intellectual honour and integrity and doesn't shy away from the truth in the name of rhetorical tactics or politeness.

15. Comment #216 by Duncan on September 23, 2006 at 11:44 am

Which of these is more in keeping with Ockham's Razor:

1) Something basic was elabourated to form complexities, in keeping with what we observe in the world around us.

2) Something complex intentionally elabourated something basic to form complexities like itself despite the apparently haphazard and unintentioned nature of the world we see around us.

To put it another way: we know where intelligence comes from - it evolves to solve survival problems in the world. And intelligence as we experience it is an extraordinarily conservative construction. By what kind of mental gymnastics could one ever countenance the notion of an intelligence 'up there in the sky': where did it come from? What's it doing there? Why?

To paraphrase from Daniel Harbour's rather excellent Intelligent Person's Guide to Atheism we are essentially presented with two world views one of which is both inconsistent and hopelessly top-heavy and the other of which is minimalist but says 'some questions I don't have the answer to'. Which do you go with: the incomplete theory or the false theory?

Anteater: Ezekiel was writing for a cult which believed the Israeli's to be God's chosen people. You don't think he'd predict the rebirth of Israel as a matter of course and it's flourishing in the only real industry of the bronze age: agriculture. And if you think that the occurence of modern Israel and it's location in Palestine is a matter of simply coincidence which happened in isolation from religious people who believed in the rapture you are gravely mistaken on modern history. As to the Russia remark I'm afraid you must be using a different translation from the ones I have access to. Perhaps you'd care to (as is custom) cite the verse to which you are refering as well as the chapter?

Remember folks: people that believe in the rapture have been involved in shaping policy in the middle east. Which is to say; serious people have been basing decisions which may effect your lives on a particular interpretation of a book which features a talking snake in a prominent role. If you don't think religion is dangerous... wake up.

16. Comment #217 by Duncan on September 23, 2006 at 12:03 pm

"Dawkins invokes science but he cannot even explain his own existence, viz. his life, consciousness or rationality."

Actually the whole point is that modern science can explain these things through the proper understand of the evolution through natural selection of certain self-replicating carbon based compounds which occured quite by chance on a particular rock orbiting a particular sun. Richard Dawkins is simply a particular fine by-product this process.

"The only way I can make such sorts of connections is if I invoke John 1:3, "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.""

And how did he come into being? Just showed up some day? Or did he evolve? From what? We know intelligence comes about as a result of evolution from basic entities, if you are saying that that evolution requires other complex entities (a rather odd hypothesis) then from what did those complex entities you posit as the cause come about from?

"However, I do not know how to use such revealed knowledge to do science. In addition, let us not forget that “The fool has said in his heart,’ There is no God’ ….” Psalm 14.1."

Ah. The good book. Let us consider two other passages. In Matthew 1:16 we are told that Joseph's father was called Jacob. In Luke 3:23 we are told Joseph's father was called Heli. I bet most biographers of Richard Dawkins could agree was his paternal grandfather was called. Why can the bible not agree on the name of the grandfather of it's main character? Are the gospel writers being divinely inspired by different sources? Does God just have particularly poor copy editors?

In all the worrying over contradictions in the bible, I think people are missing some passages which are not simply known to be false from fact, but known to be false through common sense. When the bible tells you a disobedient child should be stoned to death, it is wrong. Anyone with common sense knows this. When it tells you that when it comes to atheists 'there is none that doeth good' (the continuation of the charming psalm you quoted) it says something that we all whether religious or not know to be an outright lie. When it tells you that homosexuality is an abomination you don't need to think about it: it's clearly false. Non-harmful, consentual behaviour is self-evidently morally irrelevant which is why all the bible-thumping bigots try to come up with other (false) argument to make their case like all homosexuals are child molesters, or that it spreads disease or that allowing gay couples to marry will lead of the break up of hetrosexual families. When someone tells you a book with a talking snake is the literal truth, the notion isn't even worth putting on the table - life's too short.

Why did Jesus die? For our sins. What sins are those? Ah - the original sin of Adam and Eve. But we now know that Adam and Eve didn't exist so, in the words of someone (I forget who) the modern christian message is that the all-powerful creator of the universe turned himself into a man so he could be crucified as punishment for an imaginary sin commited by people that never existed. With messages like that I'm reminded of the joke behind the title of the late (great) JL Mackie's 'The Miracle of Theism': The miracle is that there are any theists at all!

17. Comment #51434 by crabsallover on June 22, 2007 at 11:19 pm

 avatarVictor Stenger will give a talk ('God the failed hypothesis') to Dorset Humanists in Bournemouth, England on 31st August 2007 at 6pm. Details here: http://tinyurl.com/yr8ov7

If you want to attend contact Chris Street: http://tinyurl.com/25t3x3

We plan for Stenger to debate John Polkinghorne at this meeting (TBC).

More about Victor Stenger: http://tinyurl.com/27qx7x

About Polkinghorne: http://tinyurl.com/27p34y

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