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Permalink Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:34:28 UTC | #921782
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As promised:
Comment 19 by EvilConservative
There is NOT enough solid concrete proof to give evidence of Global Warming. There is NOT enough solid concrete evidence to prove "Man Made GW". There is NOT enough evidence to prove that GW does NOT exist.
There is little doubt that global warming is taking place. Thanks to the sceptical Professor Muller at Berkley, there is a definite warming trend over the last 100 years: http://berkeleyearth.org/
Yes the results are unpublished but they are in close agreement with the published results that Professor Muller was originally sceptical about because of a possible heat island effect.
As to whether global warming is man made - let's list the possible sources of warming (from a comment in http://www.nature.com/news/2011/111020/full/news.2011.607.html)
Natural causes:
Oceans: reorganization of ocean currents e.g. more fresh water in the North Atlantic
Continental drift: thousands/millions of years
Volcanic eruptions: sulphur dioxide causes cooling, insignificant quantities of carbon dioxide for warming
Earth orbital changes: discounted as changes happen over tens of thousands of years not hundreds
Solar variations: discounted as warming of the sun would cause warming of all the atmosphere (not observed) and not just the lower layers (greenhouse effect observed)
Man made causes
Carbon dioxide emissions (http://cait.wri.org/figures.php?page=/World-FlowChart):
61.4% Energy (electricity, heat, transportation etc.)
3.5% Industrial processes
18.2% Land use change
13.5% Agricultural
3.6% Waste
Methane emissions
Animals
Landfill
Nitrous oxide emissions
- Fertilizer
So - which of the natural forms of global warming do you believe is the culrpit?
30 years ago scientists were complaining about Global Cooling.
This was because of journalists (what again?) misinterpreting ice age cycles.
Permalink Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:31:05 UTC | #921297
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Comment 19 by EvilConservative
Fine, that is why I posted 3. So you don't debunk the one from NASA or CBS News then. My point is made again.
Your 3rd link is missing. Can you please provide it?
In the meantime, let's look at your flood of questions that require a bit more work:
There is NOT enough solid concrete proof to give evidence of Global Warming. There is NOT enough solid concrete evidence to prove "Man Made GW". There is NOT enough evidence to prove that GW does NOT exist.
OK I will get to that later...
Its all still up in the air.
That's funny. What? It wasn't meant as a joke. OK. Let's continue...
30 years ago scientists were complaining about Global Cooling.
I will get to this later too...
But I'm not saying I don't think GW exists.
Hang on. What? You don't think that Carbon Dioxide warms up the atmosphere so that we don't live on a giant snowball?
I don't know what is true.
Yes you clearly don't.
Neither side has won the argument.
It's not an argument it's a scientific theory. There is a difference.
BTW, the 90% of scientists argument doesn't work.
Oh no - the Delingpole manoeuvre. I will therefore use the Sir Paul defence:
Would you refuse a particular medical treatment for a hypothetical disease if only 90% of scientists agreed that it was the correct course of action?
Permalink Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:13:11 UTC | #921287
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Comment 11 by EvilConservative
Here is one from NASA getting caught http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000
Here we have "computer expert" E. Michael Smith and "Certified Consulting Meteorologist" Joseph D'Aleo having trouble with understanding the source of Global Historical Climatology Network data.
See the response from Dr Gavin A. Schmidt, a climate modeller at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/01/unforced-variations-2/
I suppose that Google does have its uses when debunking.
BTW "prominent" scientist Joseph D'Aleo has an interesting take on climate change (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%27Aleo)
"We believe Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception."
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Comment 1 by Zeuglodon
They injected lidocaine blocking the median and ulnar nerves.
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