1. Debate between Richard Dawkins and John Lennox

Comment #76096 by onagol on October 4, 2007 at 5:33 pm

tribal, if you wish to rebut RD's "facts", please do so. For my part I read TGD more as an illustrative essay demonstrating the complete absense of facts supporting the god hypothesis.

Having had a quick glance at p118 of TGD, it is primarily concerned with the authorship of the bible/gospels and the inherent contradictions therein. Now, if you have any fresh insight into this particular chestnut, please feel at liberty to explain.
However (and this is my point), do so in the spirit with which contributors (for the most part) try to conduct themselves on this forum. In the sense that, if you must make sweeping statements, at least attempt to describe whatever rational is behind your belief/opinion/position etc. at the same time.

P.S. Not withstanding your complete absense of any supporting statements, it is a crime one can easily commit. What seems obvious and apparent to oneself almost always needs clarification to those not of ones own mind set (and not infrequently to those who are). I digress but in the general sense it might be described as not so common sense..., me thinks.

2. Interview with Francis Collins

Comment #69075 by onagol on September 9, 2007 at 4:41 pm

Steady on Yorker old boy, these posts are read by many people who don't contribute - there is some "weight" behind what is said.

Most of these serendipitous musers, I would imagine, are also more imune than most from having their minds fucked with.

3. Interview with Francis Collins

Comment #69063 by onagol on September 9, 2007 at 4:10 pm

The gist of all this (let us ignore self created obfuscation for the moment) ultimately comes down to the (too) oft repeated "Outside of Nature" thingy (repeated many times - as, of course, was pointed out by jaytee_555 in post no 3).

Collins mentions something akin to "clues" in nature that support his beliefs but says nothing (beyond the usual suspects) about where these clues might lie - of course we would all like to know the details.

Anyway, the "outside nature" argument has been done to death (FSM, pick your faith out of the hat etc.) So it is really no argument at all.

Beyond that it would be nice to see Dawkins given a similar amont of time on some sort of faith show. Debating with a presenter as eloquent as Grothe but one whom is batting for the opposition so to speak - the time thing is the key as, I think, the recent Radio 4 interview demonstrated.

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