1. Hirsi Ali Returns to the Netherlands after Losing Body Guards

Comment #77037 by Dutch Patty on October 8, 2007 at 9:12 am

Tell me, what have you done lately to try to solve the problems there are with religion in this world?

I've been working as a counselour with 2nd and 3rd generation Muslim Youth for over the past 18 years, what have you done?

2. Hirsi Ali Returns to the Netherlands after Losing Body Guards

Comment #76532 by Dutch Patty on October 6, 2007 at 5:41 am

You only have to look at their record during WW2

It's obvious you never read the diary of Anne Frank.....

Instead of the Dutch authorities going after those that would pose a threat to her,they pull the funding from her protectorate and leave her to the very real threat of danger.She has more courage than the whole of the dutch people put together.

Yeah right.....i can't take anyone serious who makes comments like this but at the same time lives in a country where the biggest terrorist alive aka George W. Bush is President....

3. Hirsi Ali Returns to the Netherlands after Losing Body Guards

Comment #76478 by Dutch Patty on October 6, 2007 at 1:18 am

So you say she is lying in her book ?

She was not raised in an orthodox Muslim way. Her parents divorced when she was 12 years old, we are talking 26 years ago, picture that in a muslim marriage.....
You can believe whatever you want but i know this woman has been lying about a lot of things, and this is one of them.

4. Hirsi Ali Returns to the Netherlands after Losing Body Guards

Comment #76453 by Dutch Patty on October 5, 2007 at 11:34 pm

Watch this;

http://zembla.vara.nl/Dossiers.1963.0.html

After this documentary was broadcasted her political party took their hands off of her, because of the contradiction in the stories they told them.

5. Hirsi Ali Returns to the Netherlands after Losing Body Guards

Comment #76433 by Dutch Patty on October 5, 2007 at 9:00 pm

In addition, she had tried to pass several bills through Dutch parliament (including one regarding female genital mutilation) which have been blocked by other parties on the grounds that they are culturally insensitive.

I think you need to read more on this before you post a comment like this. Female genital mutilation is considered a crime in the Netherlands before anyone ever heard of Hirsi Ali. Parents can even go to jail here if they have their daughters mutilated in their native country, let's make that clear.

The bill that has been blocked by the other parties is about circumcision (for boys/men that is). We all know that circumcision is besides from religious thoughts a hygienic thing. The Dutch government didn't want to go that far, you think the US or any government in the world would? Besides that she never tried to pass any other bill.

When Hirsi Ali was seated in the parliament, she only showed up 1/3 of the time she was suppose to be there. SHe was busy traveling along the country to promote/selling her book and not busy with what she was suppose to do and what she was payed for; defending the rights of the ones she claims to defend.

Besides that Hirsi Ali has not been genitally mutilated, she has not been forced to an arranged marriage (her ex-husband gave her a divorce in a sec) and she lied about her background to get her asylum here in The Netherlands. She claimed she went through 5 wars in Somalia, while she was living in Kenia from age 10-22 in a pretty luxury way. She has admitted that and that's the reason why she went to the States, she has been exposed. That was after a documentary on national tv was shown where the producers went to visit and talk to her family and people who knew her all her life.

So no...the Dutch government doesn't have to pay for a woman who's life and status is build on lies.
Y'all getting played by this woman, as y'all should read and investigate more about this woman before making a fool of yourself. She did it to the Netherlands, leanr from that.
Our prime minister ain't happy at all that she is back in the Netherlands right now to seek publicity while all she claims to stand for is based on lies. Don't get me wrong; i admire ALL women and men who are outthere to help the oppressed.
But she is selfish and just loves the attention, cause all she does is making harsh comments, no solutions, she couldn't care less about these women, all she cares about is Ayaan Hirsi Ali(which isn't her real name, her real name is Ayaan Hirsi Magan, she lied about that too)
I've seen that in so many debates and discussion programmes overhere, talking to the women she claims to defend in a very, very arrogant way.

But time will tell......maybe it takes a while before the people in the US will realize what kind of woman she is.
Considering the fact that George W is your president it might take a while......

6. Hirsi Ali Returns to the Netherlands after Losing Body Guards

Comment #76243 by Dutch Patty on October 5, 2007 at 7:49 am

@rokort

The evidence is that she didn't do anything to empower the oppressed, deprived Muslim women. Cause one doesn't empower the oppressed women by saying Mohammed was a child rapist and writing Koran scriptures on naked women(Submission). She should've funded organizations who would teach these women the true interpretation of the Koran as the emancipated, educated Muslim women all around the world do. Cause you might've forgotten that the intelligent Muslim Women don't hide their hair under a scarf and interpret the Koran in a different way then these oppressed women do.

If Hirsi Ali was as intelligent as some(unaware of her background)people think she is, she would've looked for ways to truly help these women. You have to realize that the majority of the Muslim women living in the Netherlands lived in the mountains in their native country and most of them are illiterate, so they only know the Koran by hearsay, what they've been teached. If she really wanted to empower these women and make them aware of some things she should've put her energy in education of these particular women, readinglessons for instance.

But that is typically Hirsi Ali, she is arrogant and doesn't look into the REAL problem, the ESSENCE of the problem, and that is education.
Hirsi Ali has been in the fortunate position that she could get education, because her family was liberal, but she enjoys the role of being the marter.
You should do some research on her background and get back at me after that.

7. Hirsi Ali Returns to the Netherlands after Losing Body Guards

Comment #76220 by Dutch Patty on October 5, 2007 at 5:48 am

@ notsobad

You have a point about the sick murderers being responsible. But you have to know the history about the Netherlands. Hirsi Ali (as all the right minded people overhere) KNEW she and Theo van Gogh would get in a dangerous situation because of "Submission". She already had security at that time, Theo van Gogh had not. Have you ever watched Submission? I'd like to know that. Cause the catholic and baptist church wouldn't agree on writing scriptures on naked bodies and broadcast it either.......

And of course there is such a thing as freedom of speech. But reality is that the Muslim Extremists consider her extreme(even in my eyes and i'm very liberal) opinion on the Koran as an insult to all what they stand for. And Hirsi Ali(as someone who "suffered" the "torture"of the Islam)dayum well knew that. There is nothing wrong with being a little humble and strategic to reach a goal. But being the selfcentred person as she is she only thinks about her wellbeing and "star status" with this as a result.

8. Hirsi Ali Returns to the Netherlands after Losing Body Guards

Comment #76174 by Dutch Patty on October 5, 2007 at 1:12 am

I, as a (non-muslim) citizen of the Netherlands can tell you that Hirsi Ali is an opportunist, she didn't do anything for the Muslim Women around here. All she did was bash the Islam in a very extreme way, and she knew how the Extreme Muslims would react. She knew that "Submission" would get a lot of publicity, especially because she choose Theo van Gogh as the director, Theo van Gogh called the profet Mohammed a Pig, so figure how the Muslim Community reacted...It cost Theo van Gogh his life....that's a very high price to pay, and Hirsi Ali is responsible for that.

I've seen her on many discussion programmes overhere and she always had a very arrogant degrading attitude and approach towards the people who joined the discussion. If she really wanted to reform the Islam or help the Muslim Women, she would've chose a different approach.
Besides that she didn't survive 5 wars in Somalia or a bad life, she moved to Kenia when she was very little and her parents didn't suffer poverty and were pretty liberal. Hirsi Ali tries to win sympathy of the people who don't know the real deal bout her background. So i advice you all to check that first.
I agree with our government that they won't pay for her security anymore. There has been 6 meetings in the past months with Hirsi Ali about her security so she definetly knew the financing would end. As a matter of fact, the Dutch government granted her 3 more months of security, because it would end July 1st, and she knew that.

Her security costs the Netherlands $ 3 million of taxpayers money a year. Why would the Dutch Government or people pay for a woman who made her life impossible herself? If she would've only been more tactfull(aka POLITICAL) and not so selfcentred she wouldn't have been in this position in the first place. There are more ways that lead to Rome....

@Pantore;
If you know ANYTHING about Dutch Politics you would never ever mention Balkenende and Wilders in one line.
1) Wilders is not a Christian, he is a racist
and not even in a Christian Party.
2) Balkenende is not a facist.
So please don't talk about things you don't have knowledge of.