1. Aliens need Christ's redemption, too

Comment #202191 by jonjermey on July 1, 2008 at 2:46 am

I've just been reading Martin Gardner's book 'The Whys of a Philosophica Scrivener', and it's just as depressing as this article. The guy is a genius who has worked with Carnap and developed hundreds of brilliant mathematical puzzles. He has collaborated with Randi in showing up fake 'parapsychologists' and their subjects. But he just can't bring himself to imagine a universe without God. And so all the same tired old arguments for ESP that he dismisses in Part One without a second thought get dredged up again and lauded in Part Two as convincing arguments for theism.

Here's the facts: the limits of your imagination have nothing to do with the limits of the universe. Argument like 'I can't conceive of not-X' or 'It's impossible to think that X doesn't exist' are not valid arguments against X. They merely demonstrate the paucity of your mind. Full stop.

I'm glad I got that off my chest.

2. Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

Comment #190769 by jonjermey on June 9, 2008 at 2:30 pm

The whole article is also online at

http://www.mythdebunker.blogspot.com/

so you can direct your responses there.

3. The Expelled Evolutionist

Comment #189122 by jonjermey on June 5, 2008 at 1:44 pm

...and English teachers should have the right to spell words any way they want, and geography teachers should be able to put Alaska on the equator if they want to, and maths teachers who aren't comfortable with the idea that 2 plus 2 = 4 should be able to teach the controversy...

What precisely is it about the words 'It's not true' that they don't understand?

4. Religion is a product of evolution, software suggests

Comment #185329 by jonjermey on May 27, 2008 at 1:40 pm

I don't think it's too hard to develop a theory of how religion originated and spread. Ape colonies are run by the strongest apes, but strong apes aren't necessarily smart. If the smart apes in a colony can take control, then that colony will have a better chance of surviving and growing. So they invent an imaginary super-ape leader who is much stronger than any ordinary ape could ever be, and fix it so that only the smart guys can get in touch with him. Any ape colony which follows "God's" orders -- as relayed to them by the smart guys -- will do much better than one whose leader's mandate rests on his ability to beat up any challengers.

Thus religion can be seen as an early form of meritocracy.

The reason why it persists under more enlightened political systems probably has to do with soothing our sense of injustice. "It doesn't matter to me if my boss just got a raise by lying to the CEO, because she's going to BURN IN HELL, ha ha!"

5. Kenya mob reportedly burns 11 'witches'

Comment #183826 by jonjermey on May 23, 2008 at 12:16 am

One way to help stop it would be to withdraw foreign aid from any country which is not serious about prosecuting the people responsible for religious and superstitious murders, including 'honour killings'. Guess how likely that is to happen...?

6. The Neural Buddhists

Comment #179709 by jonjermey on May 13, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Isn't this just another example of the 'not MY God' argument? No old guy in the sky? -- check. No transcendental Creator? -- check. Must be 'the ability to transcend and merge itself with a larger presence that feels more real'.

So football crowds are God.

7. Church of Scotland mediators to quell disputes

Comment #178577 by jonjermey on May 11, 2008 at 4:08 pm

I have a wonderful mental picture of an earnest bearded elder thrusting forward towards his priest a copy of The God Delusion with a paragraph underlined in black:

"Hoots, father, what aboot the Problem of Evil, then?"

8. Faith in Britain today

Comment #177059 by jonjermey on May 8, 2008 at 2:02 pm

Richard,

Perhaps you could use the points in this speech as a way of promoting the fact that atheists already have answers to all of them, and have had for centuries: The not-MY-God argument; the religion-makes-life-better-so-it-must-be-true argument; the nonbelievers-secretly-have-God-in-their-hearts belief -- just explaining how and why these are simply wrong would reach an audience much better -- in my view -- than any ad hominem attack. Challenge the Bish to come up with some NEW arguments - show that the old ones are already dealt with!

9. Is Liberal Catholicism Dead?

Comment #176221 by jonjermey on May 7, 2008 at 12:24 am

Some interesting comments, but aren't they rather wasted on the article? 'Liberal Catholics might decline. Or not.' No mention of homosexuality, abortion, or the ageing priesthood (there's a reason why all these exorcists are in their 80s) and even then wishful thinking couldn't squeeze a positive conclusion out of it.

10. The detail in the Devil

Comment #176218 by jonjermey on May 7, 2008 at 12:12 am

So your spotless eternal soul which represents your only chance at eternal life is invaded and corrupted by a foul creature of vileness from a pit of eternal damnation, and your free will is lost as this spawn of hell conquers your brain and turns you into a mindless slave of horned Satan, Lord of the Flies...

And Hollywood 'trumps it up for dramatic effect'.

That's nice.

11. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #166220 by jonjermey on April 23, 2008 at 2:37 am

"Why do intelligent people believe such tripe? Are they that indoctrinated as children? Is there a part of the brain associated with critical thinking that just doesn't work as well for them?"

I have come to think that Christians -- and probably other believers -- don't actually HAVE any logical structure to their beliefs. They are in love, infatuated with the idea of God, and like any teenager falling in love for the first time they simply cannot bear any suggestion that their God is less than perfect in every way. This is why most rational arguments don't make any impact: they fail to penetrate this wall of infatuation. Lord Winston and his allies are simply dancing around, moonstruck, singing "I'm in love, I'm in love, I'm in love with a wonderful Guy!" loudly enough to drown out any negative comments.

That suggests that the best approach to take is to treat a believer like a friend who is besotted with an unsuitable partner: try and show them as gently as possible the qualities which make the partner undesirable. Perhaps the next debater should patiently go through the Argument from Evil over and over again until there are signs it is starting to stick.

12. Gods and earthlings

Comment #163532 by jonjermey on April 18, 2008 at 1:24 pm

"To put the previous scenario in different words, what if there had been a time when we knew that complex life didn't always exist, but hadn't yet discovered the real explanation for how it came to be? A theist could have said that life could only have been designed by an intelligent being, that this intelligent being "just exists", and atheists couldn't have said that the same pseudo-explanation could be used to explain life!"

But atheists would have said -- correctly -- that if we assume there is an explanation in scientific terms and start looking for it then we will find it eventually. Whereas believers say 'we have the explanation and even though the explanation doesn't make sense we will cease to enquire any further'. The scientific point of view doesn't assume that we can explain everything scientifically now, but it does insist that any satisfactory explanation, if and when we arrive at it, will involve the principles of science and logic. The reason why there is no scientific explanation for gods, fairies or ghosts is not because these are in some way immune to scientific method, but simply because they don't exist.

"I'm simply trying to dispassionately figure out the approximate likelihood that God exists."

The methods of probability can't be applied to incoherent statements. What's the probability that Tuesday is earthbound? What's the probability that I have a red car which is green all over? What's the probability that something exists which provides no evidence of its existence and is empirically indistinguishable from something which doesn't exist? The only appropriate response to statements like this is 'Huh?'.

13. The Art of Creating Controversy Where None Existed

Comment #160011 by jonjermey on April 13, 2008 at 2:15 pm

I have thought for a while about why many Christians and believers in general simply refuse to see when they are wrong, and the best answer I can come up with is that they are in love with the idea of God. (Most of you will remember the first time you fell in love and how hard it was to even listen to -- much less agree with -- any criticism of the beloved one.) I think this also goes a long way towards explaining why God is given the traditional properties of omnipresence -- so you never have to leave him -- and omniscience -- so he can't do anything wrong even by mistake.

This suggests that the best sort of arguments to use against believers are not rational proofs but rather contradictions which suggest the loved one is actually not all that good -- the Argument from Evil -- or all that bright -- the Argument from vestigial organs -- or doesn't really care about the lover anyway. None of these are likely to produce an immediate result because so much of the lover's self-esteem is tied up in his affair; but they might at least cause believers to go away and think about it a little.

14. Lungless frog discovered in Borneo

Comment #159244 by jonjermey on April 11, 2008 at 6:17 pm

How can a frog be secretive?

"It's no use, you swine, I won't tell you where I've hidden the lungs! Even if you torture me until I croak!"

15. Get out of here, atheists!

Comment #156477 by jonjermey on April 7, 2008 at 3:53 pm

Unfortunately we will see more and more of this as Christians in positions of power realise that atheism is a growing threat to their privileges. The last six months or so seems to me to mark the point at which believers finally began to take us seriously. 'First they ignore you, etc...'

We are moving into a very violent and savage phase of the struggle, particularly in the US -- but we are winning, slowly, year by year.

16. Pastor attacks scientist's talk

Comment #154764 by jonjermey on April 3, 2008 at 5:17 pm

"In one sense I have no objection to a professor from Oxford coming to Inverness..."

Well, that's damned big of him, isn't it? Nothing like a bit of tolerance, as long as you don't go too far. Excuse me, David, do you have any objection to me going to the bathroom?

17. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150110 by jonjermey on March 26, 2008 at 1:10 pm

And what did all the other prayer group members say while this child was dying? 'Keep it up, honey, God will come through?' ANYONE who knew about this and didn't speak up should be prosecuted for culpable homicide.

18. New Atheists Are Not Great

Comment #146307 by jonjermey on March 18, 2008 at 10:56 pm

"Atheists may be selling books, but they're not making converts."

Actually, based on census figures, something like 150 Australians per day are ceasing to follow any religion. As far as I know that's an order of magnitude larger than any rate of religious conversion which wasn't enforced with threats of violence or death. The figures for Britain appear to be similar. The US is starting to move the same way. Sorry, Tony, your side is on the way out...

19. Religion 'linked to happy life'

Comment #146306 by jonjermey on March 18, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Remember too that Christians are SUPPOSED to be happy. If you don't seem happy then the local God-botherer pays you a visit to find out what's wrong, and you get harassed with support and counselling until you're grinning again. Whereas we atheists are free to be as miserable as we like and nobody gives a hoot. It doesn't surprise me at all that when people subscribe to a myth that is supposed to make them happy, they talk (and maybe think) of themselves as 'happy'. I'd say they're just following the script.

20. Crossing the Divide

Comment #139960 by jonjermey on March 6, 2008 at 8:11 pm

I came across a wonderful quote some years ago: 'You can't talk someone out of something they weren't talked into'. A slight exaggeration but largely true; and this is why ditching religion will be a generational change rather than a sudden one. What will promote the change is the gradual realisation by believers that atheists are all around them, that they're normal healthy people, lovers, friends, bosses, colleagues... it gets harder and harder to demonise someone when your life is inextricably bound up with theirs. And the best way we can cause that to happen is for us to stand up proudly and be counted.

21. God, power and money

Comment #138033 by jonjermey on March 3, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Unfotunately it's people like Millikan who make people like Hinn possible. Once you allow yourself to believe in something without evidence, you give carte blanche to everyone else to believe anything they want and promulgate it any way they want. If Hinn says 'God told me to do it', no religious believer anywhere on earth can prove him wrong.

22. Survey shows Non-Religious Outnumber Those of Every Single Faith (But One)

Comment #138031 by jonjermey on March 3, 2008 at 6:56 pm

I calculated from census figures that the number of 'conversions' away from religion in Australia is around 150 people PER DAY. And that allows for backsliders too. Can you imagine what kind of frenzy a religion would be in if it was getting 150 converts per day? Why aren't we shouting this from the rooftops?

23. Fleas on the Horizon: In Defense of God

Comment #138026 by jonjermey on March 3, 2008 at 6:52 pm

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win. I'd say we're entering Phase 3 now...

24. Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts

Comment #134992 by jonjermey on February 28, 2008 at 12:30 pm

This is wonderful news. This 'reinterpretation' is exactly what had to happen to Christianity before it was able to accept the idea of tolerance. Tolerance permits people to debate, and debate leads eventually to atheism. Baby steps, but essential ones. Let's hope the movement spreads.

25. Church is paying a high price for its celibacy rule

Comment #133196 by jonjermey on February 25, 2008 at 7:53 pm

"..I've long wondered what school Career Days are like, here in Ireland:..."

"Join the Church! Tell other people how to live their lives! No experience required!"

It's not just in Ireland, by the way -- Catholic schools in Australia are closing down or turning secular because there are no more priests around. And the Anglican Church in Britain will have to start recruiting ministers from Nigeria soon. It will be interesting to see what convolutions European religion goes through in trying to survive at all...

26. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132472 by jonjermey on February 24, 2008 at 7:46 pm

If the article were true then nobody would ever change their minds about anything. The fact that people do change their minds indicates that their opinions can be swayed -- and this includes their opinions about what counts as 'evidence'. The scientific view of what counts as evidence has a lot on its side -- it produces tangible improvements in health, welfare and happiness every day. What benefits has the religious view of what constitutes evidence have to offer?

27. Physicist Neil Turok: Big Bang Wasn't the Beginning

Comment #132321 by jonjermey on February 24, 2008 at 3:36 pm

Am I the only one here who finds that modern cosmology has a lot in common with religion in that they both use language in inexplicable ways? I can't even begin to pretend that I understand what it is like for time to have a beginning or to stop, even temporarily. Does this kind of statement have any real intellectual content -- and I ask this quite seriously -- or is it merely a shorthand way of saying "if we plug THESE values into THIS equation then we get THIS result"?

If this is an attempt to talk about the phenomenon we describe in everyday language as 'time' then it desperately needs to be explained. If it's a mathematical deduction then let's call it that and stop pretending that it relates to everyday 'time'.

The difficulties that string theory itself is getting into lately stems partly, I believe, from this tendency to confuse mathematical outcomes with statements about real phenomena. And it's not too dissimilar to the flap that theologians get into when trying to explain why a 'good' God does 'bad' things.

28. Over half of Britons claim no religion

Comment #131368 by jonjermey on February 22, 2008 at 10:55 am

It will be interesting to see as new census figures appear whether there has been an increase in the rate of 'conversions' to atheism (for want of a better word) since the publication of the books by Dawkins and the other three Horsemen. They should be very proud authors indeed if their books have made a genuine difference.

29. Archbishop's 8 March centennial message: Let Sharia Law govern women's lives, Amen!

Comment #128612 by jonjermey on February 17, 2008 at 12:50 pm

>I'm still baffled how a tradition that treats half the human race as forced labour and sex-slaves has managed to endure so long. A testament to the power of childhood indoctrination backed up with terror and brutality I guess.

Islam 'survives' as a national force because the West pays billions of dollars to Islamic countries for oil and occasionally intervenes in the inter-Islamic warfare that would otherwise keep these countries poor and insignificant. If the West hadn't stepped in to halt the Iraq-Iran war which was keeping both countries preoccupied, there's a good chance it would still be going today. If and when the oil runs out the global significance of Islam will end within a decade.

30. Atheism and Violence

Comment #118354 by jonjermey on January 30, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Since December last year I have been keeping track of violent outrages committed by a) religious believers and b) atheists. You can see the results at

http://atheistwiki.wikispaces.com/Outrage+scoreboard

but it will come as no surprise to anyone on this group when I reveal the current tally: 32 to 0. Atheism and violence go together like snakes and shoe shops.

31. Why (Almost All) Cosmologists are Atheists

Comment #110503 by jonjermey on January 11, 2008 at 11:55 am

A third argument against the 'fine-tuning' of physical laws by God, aka the anthropomorphic argument, is that no matter how unlikely you estimate these conditions to be, all you have to do is allow enough time (or enough space) for diverse universes to occur naturally, and it becomes inevitable that this particular combination will come up sooner or later. Just as 'Fred won the lottery!' sounds surprising -- until you discover that Fred bought a million lottery tickets.

32. Researchers use neuroimaging to study ESP

Comment #108055 by jonjermey on January 5, 2008 at 11:23 pm

Why experiment? As others have said many times, a person with genuine replicable ESP should be able to quickly amass a fortune by gambling. Simply take a hundred people to a casino and see if any of them consistently win at games of chance...

33. Six Reasons to be an Atheist

Comment #108054 by jonjermey on January 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm

Just a pedantic point: 'enormity' doesn't mean bigness, it means evil. So 'the enormity of evil' means 'the evil of evil'. 'Ubiquity' would be a better word.

34. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104111 by jonjermey on December 27, 2007 at 11:37 pm

Creflo A. Dollar - could there possibly be a better name for a TV evangelist?

35. 'Christian God is not to blame'

Comment #103429 by jonjermey on December 25, 2007 at 3:10 pm

So Pell no longer believes in an omnipotent God. Presumably his resignation letter is on its way to the Pope right now? That would be a story I'd like to see...

36. An Open Letter to Richard Dawkins

Comment #96719 by jonjermey on December 10, 2007 at 9:17 pm

Here's my response, posted to fatherjonathan@foxnews.com

Dear Father Jonathan,

Your open letter has now been posted on the Dawkins website where it joins a host of other similar critiques, all of them displaying similar levels of self-deception and misunderstanding. Dawkins's great achievement -- and the point that is consistently dodged by his critics -- is to insist on the primacy of evidence. There is a good deal of evidence for the claims of science. There is no convincing evidence for the claims of religion. Arguments like yours as to whether believers have done more harm or good than atheists are really immaterial. The question is merely whether someone whose beliefs are based on fact is more or less dangerous than someone whose beliefs are based on fantasy.

In fact we can see every day that those whose beliefs are based on fantasy are far more likely to commit savage outrages against their fellow humans -- see http://atheistwiki.wikispaces.com/Outrage+scoreboard for a tiny sample of these. You suggest that these people are acting against the advice of 'religious leaders', but who are you to judge their actions -- or their leaders' -- when there is no objective evidence of who is right or wrong? Your God tells you to be kind to children and animals; but the reasons you have for believing in your God are no better or worse than the reasons of someone who believes in a God of vengeance and cruelty. How can your own 'religious leaders' claim to have any authority when they cannot show that their beliefs are better founded than anyone else's?

This is the reason why religion is responsible for so many dark deeds: because when reason is dethroned people are freed to follow the urgings of their own fallible minds. Those who want to destroy and kill will readily find 'leaders' who encourage them to do so. Without an objective viewpoint to act as a corrective, no argument can have any impact on them. If an Islamic car bomber says 'I am ordered to do this by God', can you with all your religious training find any way to convince him otherwise? Only the removal of all superstition and the establishment of reason as a guide to action will end the killing.

I don't hope to convince you, of course; but perhaps I can help you to understand what is at stake here. Religion is the air which fanatics breathe. A fanatic-free religion is an impossible dream.

Jon Jermey.

37. Is Infant Male Circumcision An Abuse Of The Rights Of The Child?

Comment #96104 by jonjermey on December 10, 2007 at 2:12 am

So the complication rate is between "0.2% and 3%" per year, is it? There must be well over a million circumcisions in the US per year so that means somewhere between two thousand and thirty thousand babies suffering and at risk -- totally unnecessarily! And the risks include coma and death - see http://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/horror/horror99.shtml, for instance.

38. Are the 'New Atheists' avoiding the 'real arguments'?

Comment #95658 by jonjermey on December 8, 2007 at 11:40 pm

>If God does not exist what is all the fuss about? Why devote a whole website to exploring the non-existence of God?

ADH, I have tried to answer this on the Atheist Wiki (http://atheistwiki.wikispaces.com) - see Why ALL faith is dangerous.

But here's the short answer: because people are dying. Let's never lose sight of that fact.

39. Of Dickens and Darwin

Comment #95595 by jonjermey on December 8, 2007 at 4:53 pm

The move towards postmodernism is one reason why modern literary novels are going the way of modern poetry -- read solely by ever-decreasing numbers of critics, practitioners and would-be practitioners. Meanwhile the public are reading Dan Brown and JK Rowling -- when they're not watching TV or browsing the Web.

See for instance http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/vietnam for an example of how the literary 'elite' have lost all ability to distinguish between rubbish and quality writing.

Postmodernism would be simply laughable if it wasn't for its Dark Side -- cultural relativism, which argues in effect that anyone should be allowed to do anything provided it's 'right' for them. I think we all know how that works out...

40. Let us kill all the teddy bears

Comment #94899 by jonjermey on December 7, 2007 at 1:25 am

What's wrong with gay Popes? Would a straight Pope be any better?

After all, is God not everywhere, in all things at all times in every possible way?

Well, no, actually.

But otherwise, good points.

41. Sudan demo over jailed UK teacher

Comment #93613 by jonjermey on December 3, 2007 at 6:22 pm

Geoff - you beat me to it. 'No place in modern society?' Gosh, who would be silly enough to think that?

42. Fear of Barbara Forrest

Comment #92172 by jonjermey on November 30, 2007 at 2:22 am

"Apparently, TEA members are supposed to close their eyes and maximize ignorance before making decisions."

Of course.. this is good Christian practice. If you went about gathering evidence before making a decision then you wouldn't be able to exercise your free will, would you?

43. Tony Blair: Mention God and you're a 'nutter'

Comment #90377 by jonjermey on November 25, 2007 at 12:10 am

So now we know: all three leaders of the Coalition of the Willing were being told what to do by their invisible friends. It would have been nice to know that when were being asked to vote for them...

44. The Transcendental Argument for God

Comment #88316 by jonjermey on November 16, 2007 at 12:53 am

This seems to be an argument of the following form:

I will string together a lot of poorly-defined words and phrases to make a meaningless assertion. I will then claim that if you understood this assertion my conclusion would be self-evident.

You will attempt to interpret this assertion and I will tell you you're misunderstanding it.

Repeat until one or both of us gets bored.

It's sad that so many people have wasted so much time on it.

45. A new website addition: Debate Points

Comment #88253 by jonjermey on November 15, 2007 at 3:30 pm

On several occasions during the discussion of articles on the Dawkins website contributors have suggested that there should be an Atheism Wiki. After a web search failed to find any existing Wikis that were appropriate, I have decided to set up my own. You can find it at

http://atheistwiki.wikispaces.com

I have set up a framework for the material, and will contribute more from time to time but I don't intend for it to be a one-person project, so fans of the Dawkins site who want to collect and preserve material will have to lend a hand. At the moment contributions to the site can be made by any member of the public, though this may have to change to a membership basis if it gets vandalised.

Hopefully this will provide a less chaotic medium for material like this than long strings of short comments.

46. A Response to Jonathan Haidt

Comment #69819 by jonjermey on September 12, 2007 at 11:22 pm

Assuming for a moment that Christians are in fact happier, healthier and longer-lived than atheists -- who's to say which is cause and which is effect? When a particular superstition permeates society, who's going to be happier: the unquestioning human sheep who put up with it or the thinking people who witness the damage it causes? Are people less happy because they're atheists or do they become atheists because they can't bring themselves to believe nonsense, no matter how comforting it is?

Besides, Christians are supposed to say they're happy. It's in the contract. Let on that you're not satisfied with your tidy Christian life and the God-botherers will be round with their pamphlets in a flash. Much safer to just smile and nod.

But take heart: happiness measures are notoriously unreliable (see here for instance), and it may be that when sociologists claim to measure 'happiness' they are only measuring conformity. Christians are more conformist? No surprise there!

47. Come Out!

Comment #59432 by jonjermey on July 29, 2007 at 3:30 am

Sanjiv -

It's always easier to hold on to a belief when you don't know that other beliefs exist. It's always more comforting to believe something when you feel that everyone around you believes it too. It's always harder to change your beliefs when you don't know anyone in the world who believes differently. Wearing a t-shirt may be no big deal to anyone, but enough people wearing enough t-shirts is going to gradually get the message across - atheists are here, and we're not going to be ignored any more.

48. All the mistakes of the godly are merely metaphor

Comment #57743 by jonjermey on July 20, 2007 at 9:17 pm

Bear in mind too what might have happened to Newton (or Boyle or any other empiricist of the day) if he HAD expressed a disbelief in God - and what actually did happen to Galileo. I wonder how many atheists of the past went silent to their graves for fear of torture and persecution?

Jon.

49. Muslim heads stuck firmly in the sand

Comment #56857 by jonjermey on July 17, 2007 at 1:59 pm

Yes, dmshinty, this is an interesting exercise in doublethink: 'We believe our religion tells us to do this, but we know doing this is wrong, so we must be misunderstanding our religion'. When the problem is perhaps that they are understanding their religion all too well.

50. Praying to a milk jug

Comment #56387 by jonjermey on July 15, 2007 at 2:37 pm

I think something like this is exactly what's needed for believers in the earliest stages of denial. It's gentle but persistent. It reassures the viewer that they're smart and have 'common sense'. It chips away at one of the common cliches given in religious indoctrination. It's not intended for people who subscribe to the Dawkins website, after all.

I hope we can put together a lot more of these and get more and more people looking at them. Mine will be called 'Special pleading for God'.