1. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #178019 by clearmind on May 10, 2008 at 9:05 am

(Or how they are traditionally interpreted? Or the long history of jihadist expansion? Do you know anything about this subject at all?)


What about the British expansion in Africa, exploiting gold mines and diamonds?


Okay let's clear the way out of false ideas and smearing;

1, Respect prophets and people's beliefs is a necessity of being Human being. You cannot make cartoon of Jesus or Moses Or Prophet Mohammed just because you want to improve that there is a freedom of speech. Our freedom starts within us and ends where other people' s boundaries start.

2. Raping, killing, massacres, oppression, exploitation, and other bad deeds has nothing to do with any religion teachings. Our desires, personality, ambitions, and weaknesses are always getting in the way and when we lose the battle, we start justifying ourselves to cover our bad deeds and make them look good deeds. Religion is the truth and if anyone looks into it carefully he will find the right way. Okay Let's go to Iraq for peace (not for oil)

3. If Lord Winston says there is no evolution two years now, then what? Is he the criteria or any standing point that you can stand on it? Evolution is a delusion and not only one dozen of lord Winston will not change it. Seeker of truth has got many scientists as well to prove otherwise, so what? Truth is still there.


4. Reverend, The skeleton is a real one and God's creation does not need any hoax as evolution needed as you will see in the following web pages. No wonder the big skeleton is a big knock out to evolution whether you accept it or not.

Evolution is a big hoax.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution Hoax/evolution_the_big_hoax.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution Hoax/4000.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy3-iSgGyz4

http://www.evolutionhoax.com/

The list goes on and on.

I donna wan say laughing boy because bad words belong to the owner.

5. Again if I have a dog and I call him Dawkins, which I would not because I respect each human being as an art of God. it would not be nice. So we have be understanding about other people's feelings and religious choice. And mr dawkings is still pissed off at Ben Stein because his pride is hurt. What about people's feelings?

2. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #177881 by clearmind on May 9, 2008 at 10:00 pm

(And what does Western foreign policy have to do with the suppression of women, slavery, and child-rape that is central to Islam?)

In India british soldiers once cut the 50 thousand fabric weavers hands of indian people. Is it barbaric or civilized?


If you judge any divine religion without reading it whole, what you say is only twisting, distorting, spreading and smearing which fits in evolution theory very much.

3. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #176894 by clearmind on May 8, 2008 at 9:21 am

Earth to Sam Harris. Earth calling Sam Harris. Answer, please. I, lastgreekstanding, have some astonishing news for you.

IT'S NOT ISLAM, STUPID! Nor real Christianity!

It's " us"---the West. We who have imposed corrupt, brutal regimes in the Middle East; overthrown their democracies; assassinated their moderate and nationalist leaders, waged relentless wars against them.)

There is more, Mr harris, British empire sucked the blood of African countries, killing innocent people, raping, exploting and more ugly things that nobody wants to remember (Watch black diamond)

Religion is a guide to people. Some of them use it to find the right path and some of them use it wrongly and end in misery. Now if one says entire English people are bloodthirsty because of explotion and masaccare in Africa, It would not be fair since most of the English people have nothing to do with it.

If you wanna spread something on religion to prove that evolution is right, this is the funniest way; to attack on some wrong religious practices as a proof with the approach " you see religion is bad so it is not true, then there is no God and that is why evolution is fact."



All for what? All for the control of THEIR fuckin' oil, that's what.
AND DAIMONDS AND GOLD IN AFRICA

Second argument; The big skeleton found in Arabia is a big strike to evolution. The commnets that say otherwise is just to make you feel self-assured. No body could would fabricate bones to prove God's creation, since God's creation does not need to do that as evolution needs to prove it so badly.

Does it ring the bell?

It is very entertaining to see all of you trading jokes and humor to pretend that you are okay while deep inside you are boiling against the Big skeleton proof.

Truth hurts.

4. Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks

Comment #176609 by clearmind on May 7, 2008 at 7:04 pm

Defending the truth

The following web pages show us clearly how tall the first human being was. Of course, atheists jumped on their seats when they saw it first and right away trying to save their neck of evolution, started screaming, hoax, definetely hoax, it is impossible. We are not deluded. It can't be.

What can i say?
Truth always HURTS.


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/anunnaki/anu_11.htm

http://www.mechodownload.com/forum/fun-corner/45600-12-meter-skeleton-person.html

5. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #176608 by clearmind on May 7, 2008 at 7:02 pm

CATCH OF THE DAY: al rawandi says: Oh no! Did I offend you? Well try this... pull your lip over your head and swallow.


Irate: There is a possiblility. Given that both are cunts, it is not impossible. Get a life.

Hmm. Let me think. I am 1.87 so in this case, tables turned. How tall are you irate in terms of evolution?

And I have got a very nice surprise for you but not on this thread? Let's see how tall the first human being as it was stated in Bible?

6. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #176412 by clearmind on May 7, 2008 at 9:17 am

Truth said: Farewell to all.

Truth cannot take a place in a web page where vulture culture like attitudes hiding behind lies and delusions. Truth is above the manners of exchanging humor,swearing, teasing, and belittling.

Expression is getting in the way again;

NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED.

You guys really need to improve your attitudes. The way you act is sinking the evolution faster in the storm of Science and Logic. One guy seeker of Truth dealt with you very nicely without having bad manners. Irate and Al rawandi, why don't you play outside on the beach beaching each other rather than being nasty here.

revered, give up. I told you. You can't fight it anymore?

One million dollar question;

Is there possibility that seeker can be wooter?

7. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #174595 by clearmind on May 2, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Monalisa: Any chance? Any colours mixed up by itself and made the painting?

Colorious: Not yet. be patient!

Monalisa: Way beyon patience. You have been waiting almost for 14.6 billion years. Give it up man, you make yourself look silly while you still wait in front of the colours and ASSUME THAT SOME DAY, they will come together by themselves.

Colorious: I can't. I can't lose my face.It;s gotta be that way because I assume that way.
Monalisa: Then you are going to lose your mind?


Seeking the truth is not away for this web page. But Seeker of truth's attempts are quite appreciated. And I need a very good proof about human history, and relatively earth's age. Be patient.

Reverend, how are you doing? So much into discussion ha? Take it easy pal, Your heathy comes first. I still pray for you.

8. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #174030 by clearmind on May 1, 2008 at 12:52 pm

(Quetzalcoatl
Anna-

Evolin= person who believes in evolution, apparently. )

(riandouglas Found it. Apparently "Evolin" is a fetish pornstar)

No comment!

9. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #173682 by clearmind on May 1, 2008 at 5:53 am

Quetzalcoatl
Anna-

Evolin= person who believes in evolution, apparently.

Thanks pal.

Evolins is the word i figured out. No offense.

10. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #173681 by clearmind on May 1, 2008 at 5:51 am

rEVEREND

You know the story of two blind men; one blind assumes that the other guy is blind too like himself and he assumes again that the other blind does the same thing he does.

reverend assumes: I was hoping that he would either learn to post without wetting himself,

11. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #173676 by clearmind on May 1, 2008 at 5:45 am

Corolouis: (Tell me wooter, what is it like, being so inept and so fulminatingly palsied in your posting that your output is a source of schadenfreude mirth for my tropical fish? Are you completely bereft of an ASPM gene? I think that we should be told.)

Monalisa: Any hope? Any formulation?

Calilasseia= colorious: Are you being sarcastic? I told you I am still waiting
Monalisa: But it was five days ago.

Calilasseia= colorious: You have no idea how long evolution takes right?

Monalisa: yoiu are the one who can tell. Now you are in a lab like situation and you are waiting. You will tell us.

Calilasseia= colorious: Okay, now colours are having experiment - trial and error- you know when they got the first strike and drawing they will start evolving.

Monalisa: Who is going to hold the Brush?

Calilasseia= colorious: Blindwatchmaker?
Monalisa: Is he BLIND?

Calilasseia= colorious:He is not a human. IT is UNCONSCIOUS chances and luck.

Monalisa: (I guess he is losing it.) Okay just wait and see

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Comment #173628 by clearmind on May 1, 2008 at 2:04 am

Monalisa: How is it goin'?
Calilasseia= colorious:Still waiting!

13. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #173627 by clearmind on May 1, 2008 at 2:02 am

Evolins attack(!)

Incredulous (He's joking right? Clearmind teaching? Surely not!)
No worries. You are not on my list.

Gobanana: (Look guys! Clearmind learned how to copy and paste!)

And you learned how to DATE! Best and only thing you can. Good for you.

Tezcatlipoca: Is a Clearmind Clears the same as a Gish Gallop?
Are you fishing around or gishing and galloping around?


Cartomancer: (Can someone with a better grasp of Wooterish furnish me with a translation please? Much obliged..).

(IQ level is needed. Please furnish it first.)

Colorious: (Heh, wooter has demonstrated that he would be incapable of understanding the first sentence of my rebuttal, let alone the detailed content, if he's the one claiming that radiometric dating is wrong.)

Yeah. I could not sleep last night just because I could not understand you. Oh man, so pathetic that one guy claims that he can't be understood. Let's see: What goes around comes around.
Logic is like a boomerang for funny ideas and funny people; whenever they throw it away to get rid of, it will surely come back. Take it easy pal, JUST WAIT AND SEE.


Dr Benway; (Please give. The streets and the internets are no place for a wooter)

Yeah, No intelligence allowed. We know it.

REVEREND: (I am going to stand up for Wooter)
Now dawkins web page has got another name: Dating web page(not radiometric dating) and it will be having another one, swearing and dirty web page. Congr. Rev. Prove more. The world is reading about evolins' arguments(!)


For real scientists! Dating issues.
http://www.trueauthority.com/cvse/radiometric.htm

14. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #173626 by clearmind on May 1, 2008 at 1:59 am

First of all, once the first chemical building blocks of life had been formed from non-life precursor molecules (a process which has been repeated experimentally in the laboratory numerous times), the process by which thos molecules gradually assembled into more and more complex molecules is the process of chemical reaction.

Monalisa: Thank God, Russell is taken away by his Logic police. He is really crazy. Now what? Who is this guy? Hello who are you?

Calilasseia= colorious: None of your business.
Monalisa: Take it easy. I am just curious. What are you gonna do with those colours?
Calilasseia= colorious: There will be a painting. I am just gonna put all the colours and then colours will be formed through experiments and then be assembled by all itself.
Monalisa: Excuse me?
Calilasseia= colorious: What? You don't believe it right? Chemical reaction, experiments, process, randomness, formation, assembling them my painting will happen.
Monalisa: Hmm interesting. Are you a relative of Russell?
Calilasseia= colorious: Don't ask me questions. I have to observe.
Monalisa: But nothing happens by itself. Everything that is designed needs a conscious designer. Look at me. Da Vinci made me. I did not come out by myself.
Calilasseia= colorious: This is science and I am scientist? You can't get it because it is soooo complex.
Monalisa: Tell me about it. So how long do you think it will take that your painting will happen?
Calilasseia= colorious: Sihhht. No noise. Wait and see with me?

Mona Lisa: (He is really out of his mind. Any way I am all bored here. Need to kill the time. God, look at the guy? He is damn serious. He is looking at the painting so faithfully? Let me watch the following videos. Learn more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MAe9FmRUsY

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Comment #173093 by clearmind on April 30, 2008 at 10:30 am

Tyler: So, what's the name of your god?

TRUTH


Colorious: I see wooter is back with his inimitable brand of excremental garbage.
Clearmind clears: Now this guy turned into a wikipedia that label's God's creation as Evolution. BEWARE(!)


Last comment from silkworm:

Mr Colorious, what makes you think that I came from the water worm? What makes you think that amino acids cameall together by chance? How come I eat leaves and produce silk and humans use it? How do you explain the perfect connection and cooperation between creatures?

A: Luck, chance, blindwatchmaker, menotthinking o
B. God created them.

And do not let clearmind answer you seriously, you will be another wikipedia info. That is for sure under the title of Evolution wreckage.

16. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #173092 by clearmind on April 30, 2008 at 10:28 am

How evolins prove that evolution is true(!)

Gobanana: Yay for Queen! Quetz...more evidence that you have good taste in music! I thought that the creationists/ID proponents had given up on that argument? but yet he still ignored me. Errr...what? How/why would we look desperate if you were to leave? I'm pretty sure no one will be sad to see you go.

Clearmind clears: Actually we already started to dig up the graveyard for evolution theory. Can you feel that?


Quetz: Do I have to kick some demon ass?


DARKNOLIGHTEN: Wooter managed to get an H in blind watcmaker at last.
Progress.


Al rawandi: Or you could choose to date wooter, if you are a self hating atheist.
Anna and I have incompatible styles.(We see that)

She's short, Im tall
-She's on the East Coast, Me on the West Coast
-She is a Liberal, I am an escaped Nazi
-She is a biologist, I am an out of work lounge singer
But we both love beer!

Frankus1122 ;Looks like RD.net is fast becoming the hottest dating site on the internet!(What else they can do?)


Quetzalcoatl: I'll break it down:
Earth: Old or young?
Evolution: Happened/didn't?
Designer: Yes/no?
If yes: Christian God/Aliens/Huitzilopochtli/Other?

Clearmind clears: Earth is old enough to display God' creation.
Evolution CANNOT/COULD NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE evolution is an idea that is based unconscious circumstances, chances, luck, being unexplained randomness that are ASSIMED TO DESIGN conscious creatures at the end.
Designer designs and designed eyes and mind look and see that there is a designer. But some look at it but can't see it and they still keep looking for amino acids in the little pond.

Murray: Nice example of a `loaded question' . So when are you going to stop kicking your dog ?



Cartomancer CARTOONS: "Find love while arguing with Wooter",
Bored now. Can we have someone with something interesting to discuss instead? Or how about another game of Mornington Crescent, or some more baking recipes?
Clearmind clears: Hmm, I do not think that they can find love while arguing with me. But surely they can find LOGIC.

Clearmind clears: You can date someone since you can't find any argument against LOGIC. Since this web page turned into a dating web page.

Quetzalcoatl IS ON; Because it's hard to debate someone who thinks the answer to most questions is GODDIDIT!



Clearmindclears: No chances didit. Come on you are breaking blind blindwatcmaker's heart

RIANDOUGLAS: Do not piss off Calilasseaia.

Please rian just tell lasagna that we did not mean for it to happen. We are all shattered. Promise we will not make him angry anymore.


Dawkins is Schizophrenic?

Incredulous: Thanks for delivering this excellent response. I fear it is wasted on Wooter, though reading it is a very profitable use of my time.

Clearmind clear; Tell me about it. His comments became a homework assignment for my students:

Find out the illogical points that is put forward in the comment in terms of LOGIC. No worries when the results are out, you will see that.

Tyler: Tyler: (An oxymoron if I ever read one!)





epeeist: think this is where he needs to be pressed. We have provided links to a variety of evidence. As yet he has provided nothing at all. He needs to be pressed to provide references to empirical data.

Clearmind clears: YEP WE ALL READ THEM ABOVE.

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Comment #172771 by clearmind on April 30, 2008 at 4:35 am

Calilasseia

I AM SOOOO MUCH OVERWHELMED and IMPRESSED THAT after I read your reply I became speechless. Man? What am I gonna do now?

I know I will ask Mona Lisa's help again. Oh Man Mona Lisa is really tired of trying to keep Russell away from her, who is constantly looking for Da Vinci in her painting. Now colourisa joined him too.

18. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #172763 by clearmind on April 30, 2008 at 4:26 am

(Miller/Urey experiments on amino acids)

Let's see what the truth is
The Millerâ€"Urey experiments involved filling a sealed glass apparatus with the gases that Oparin had speculated were necessary to form lifeâ€"namely methane, ammonia and hydrogen (to mimic the conditions that they thought were in the early atmosphere) and water vapour (to simulate the ocean). Next, while a heating coil kept the water boiling, they struck the gases in the flask with a high-voltage (60,000 volts) tungsten spark-discharge device to simulate lightning. Below this was a water-cooled condenser that cooled and condensed the mixture, allowing it to fall into a water trap below.23

Within a few days, the water and gas mix produced a pink stain on the sides of the flask trap. As the experiment progressed and the chemical products accumulated, the stain turned deep red, then turbid.24 After a week, the researchers analyzed the substances in the U-shaped water trap used to collect the reaction products.25 The primary substances in the gaseous phase were carbon monoxide (CO) and nitrogen (N2).21 The dominant solid material was an insoluble toxic carcinogenic mixture called 'tar' or 'resin', a common product in organic reactions, including burning tobacco. This tar was analyzed by the latest available chromatographic techniques, showing that a number of substances had been produced. No amino acids were detected during this first attempt, so Miller modified the experiment and tried again.20,26

In time, trace amounts of several of the simplest biologically useful amino acids were formedâ€"mostly glycine and alanine.20 The yield of glycine was a mere 1.05%, of alanine only 0.75% and the next most common amino acid produced amounted to only 0.026% of the totalâ€"so small as to be largely insignificant. In Miller's words, 'The total yield was small for the energy expended.'27 The side group for glycine is a lone hydrogen and for alanine, a simple methyl (â€"CH3) group. After hundreds of replications and modifications using techniques similar to those employed in the original Millerâ€"Urey experiments, scientists were able to produce ONLY SMALL AMOUNTS OF LESS THAN HALF OF THE 20 AMINO ACIDS REQUIRED FOR LIFE. The rest require much more complex synthesis conditions.

Miller 2
Miller's research has, for the reasons discussed above, helped us to better understand why life could not have emerged naturally. In a summary of the famous Millerâ€"Urey origin-of-life experiment, Horgan concluded that Miller's results at first seemed to
'… provide stunning evidence that life could arise from what the British chemist J.B.S. Haldane had called the "primordial soup." Pundits speculated that scientists, like Mary Shelley's Dr. Frankenstein, would shortly conjure up living organisms in their laboratories and thereby demonstrate in detail how genesis unfolded. It hasn't worked out that way. In fact, almost 40 years after his original experiment, Miller told me that solving the riddle of the origin of life had turned out to be more difficult than he or anyone else had envisioned.'48
MILLER EVEN WAS A CONSCIOUS GUY WHO PREPARED ALL THE CONDITIONS BUT YET FAILED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, THOUGH, HE FAKED WITH THE SCREAM 'EURAKA'

Quoted from http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v18/i2/abiogenesis.asp

MILLER EVEN WAS A CONSCIOUS GUY WHO PREPARED ALL THE CONDITIONS BUT YET FAILED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, THOUGH, HE FAKED WITH THE SCREAM 'EURAKA' LATER CONFESSED HIS FAILURE AND FAKING.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TCWM3TqwcBw&feature=related

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Comment #172762 by clearmind on April 30, 2008 at 4:23 am

Let's see what we have today in delusional evolution;

REVEREND:(You cannot have my mother's phone number.)

I wish I could. You are always using bad words. I was planning to complain about you to your mother.

Seriously, I am happy that your parents are still with you. Mine passed away.

Reverend says silkworms do not make silk.
(Silkworms (Bombyx Mori) don't actually produce silk 'the most expensive fabric on the earth'. Silkworms produce a coccoon to protect and insulate their chrysalis stage during metamorphosis. It was humans, some 4,600 years ago that started using this material to create cloth)

Primary school students even know that silkworm make the silk. Are u all right reverend?
http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/silk.asp

Reverend bubbles up: The silkworm now exists through unnatural selection;

Natural selection:?

And

Unnatural selection:?



IS INTELLIGENCE A THREAT TO EVOLUTION?

Inconsistence is a THREAT TO EVOLUTION?

20. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #171988 by clearmind on April 29, 2008 at 4:22 am

(No, I don't believe in Yahweh due to it's contradictory nature and the contradictions in the books supposedly inspired by it.)

1. Contradictions are in the way people think and interpret not in the creation of God and in the truth.
2. I respect all holy divine religions and their prophets since they were sent to deliver the truth.
3. But conflictions and assumptions and chain of assumptions are totally full of in evolution. One assumption follows another and another assumption follows another. Since the first assumption is totally illogical, then, there is a break in the evolution.


sane1
(oh no - clearmind has been here too. Of all the IDiot silliness that has been found on this site, clearmind's is surely the most IDiotic, as much for its inarticulate expression, as for its plain uninformed stupidity.)

You are here too. You know what? What stupidity mean is that millions of creatures with different structures just came from a worm that happened by luck and chances through amino acids that came out by chance again by getting in right(!)order by unexplained randomness and blind watchmaker and again amino acids dropped down by chemical rains from planets which we do not know how the planets came out. The story goes on like this and never ends.

So let's hear what Forest Gump says Stupid is as stupid does.

21. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #171953 by clearmind on April 29, 2008 at 3:19 am

Dear reverend,

Can I get your mother's phone number?

22. Interview with Dan Dennett

Comment #171047 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 9:13 am

Brian says :Evolution isn't chance, it's incremental selection of chance mutations.

Bravo. You are almost there.What about this?
You need a medicine and that medicine is ready and you asked the pharmacist whether the medicine is realiable or not?
The pharmacist said, he did not SELECT ANY SPECIFIC ingredients to make your medicine. By chances and luck, the correct ingredients with correct amounts came together on the floor and there it is, your medicine is out.

Selection mutation and FRUSTRATION.

As for silkworms, labeling how they make it is God's creation. I am asking how silkworms eat leaves and make silk and became a moth in a short time, surviving natural selection, getting lost in the evolution tree, So any other frustration?

23. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #171033 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 8:57 am

Epeeist

Evolution has got another problem now. More important than blessed water. Silkworms? moth, and evolution do not match.

24. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #171032 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 8:55 am

Tyler

I never swear your ideas like Evolution idea is stupid Dawkins is Moron, Dennett is a clown because I respect them and I will not do that because bad words belong to the mouth it pops up, Would you do the same thing not to swear people's belief. If you want to discuss something then, it is okay but if swearing is making you relax and feel that evolution is true, then get a room all alone and start swearing without being offensive.

25. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #171025 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 8:48 am

Rian

How do you explain the following statements?

You dodged it or you will pretend that you did not get it?


Connection, cooperation and harmony between
Chlorophyll AND sunlight
Soil And rain
Vegetables and fruits along with vitamins AND our body
Photosynthesis, oxygen AND humans' breathing
Animals' products, honey, milk, eggs, silk AND human beings' needs
Animals' skin and products AND human clothes and accessories
Our brain AND controlling parts of the body
Lungs AND oxygen
Spinning of planets and our earth AND days and nights for humans to work and to rest.
Carbon dioxide AND trees
AND HUMAN BEING AND THINKING
heart and faith

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Comment #170924 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 6:31 am

Sorry reverend
It will be 'they eat leaves and produce SILK.

Rian

Do you believe in God or Allah or Yehowah?
Or Do you believe in any creator?

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Comment #170920 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 6:28 am

My Atheist pal, reverend,

You are at it agaain with lots of vocabulary, slang but yet no satisfying answers to :

Why is that silkworms change into moth in a very short time that evolution goes crazy along with Darwin and Russell?

It was not milk as you are a smart guy, you can guess, it is SILK they produce - mine was a typo because if writing too fast-
How is that possible? Eat keaves and produce silk, the most expensive fabric on the earth?

And how silkworm survived from so called natural selection?

Take care reverend, still I pray for you. I hope you can see your mother in your dream. And you can see the truth.

28. Interview with Dan Dennett

Comment #169897 by clearmind on April 27, 2008 at 4:03 am

A Challenge to Mr Dawkins and his horse men

An open letter with a brief question:

Are silkworms another threat to Evolution? How come a silkworm changes into another structure in a short time? How come they eat leaves but produce silk? How do they do that?

(If)Any scientific argument is welcomed?

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Comment #169778 by clearmind on April 26, 2008 at 6:51 pm

To markG

(Are you aware their are other creatures that eat leaves and produce milk? Cows, goats, sheep, humans, etc?)

This is another amazing thing before our eyes we can think about it? So what do you think? Each animal is designed to serve. This is the question to evolution!



To Clintspark
(can't help it,Are you human?)

Me too. I am clearmind.
ARE YOU REVEREND?


riandouglas
(interpret dreams as the actions of my mind while I'm sleeping.)
I am sorry to ask; your mind has got the eyes?


(If your mother appeared to you, and said "Allah is real, please clearmind believe in Allah", what would you do?)

I do not need to see such a dream. I believe in God already.

(Do you ascribe supernatural character to them, such as messages from God? If so, are all of your dreams messages from God, even the naughty ones you occasionally have? If not, how do you tell the difference? Do you only get "God" dreams after you've stopped taking your meds for a period of time?)

I explained it already. But let me put it another way:

Dreams are the reflections of our daily life, our beliefs, fears, loves, likes dislikes; They are like a mirror which reflect what we are what we do and we have in our minds; Divine dreams are the true ones which God helps us if we are doing something wrong.

If your mother says, Rian, please believe in God or Allah. Please I am begging you. Or in your dream, you died and they put you in grave and they left. Suddenly you noticed that you are not dead and your soul leaves your body dress and go up to heaven to face God. Suddenly you woke up. It was a dream and you just said abruptly "THANK GOD it was a dream."

Each of us have faith in our hearths but a few of us just buried it with some illogical ideas and we can't revivify it.


To MAXD
Why should we take anything from dreams too seriously?

Dreams can be divided into three categories;

1. Divine ones that can help people to lead to the truth
2. If you think of something deeply in a specific day, then, you can dream something about that thing which boggled your mind all day.
3. That depends on person's state of mind; some people can have bad dreams because of their abnormal psychology and mental state of their mind.

Yours go for item 2.

I know that atheists avoid talking about spiritual; based conceptions but dreams are true and we see our dreams WHILE OUR EYES ARE CLOSED. How is that possible? Because our eyes are the windows of our souls.

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Comment #169777 by clearmind on April 26, 2008 at 6:49 pm

To riandouglas

(clearmind, I don't know if anyone has asked you this before. English is not your native language, correct? What is?
It's obvious a lot of people here have trouble following your logic, and it is either due to language or because you're unable to explain the brilliance of them to such simpletons.)

Hmm Let's see:

1. Okay get a Rubik's cube and try to set it without touching it. But you can use some external powers, like wind, water, etc which are all unconscious, and then if you set the cube right, then I will believe that amino acids will went for the same way in the first place!

2. A Challenge to Mr Dawkins and his horse man

An open letter with a brief question:

Are silkworms another threat to Evolution? How come a silkworm changes into another structure in a short time? How come they eat leaves but produce milk? How do they do that?

(If)Any scientific argument is welcomed?

OR
3. Welcome to the club, "I do not understand since i can't beat clearmind's logical analogies so I play clueless so that insulting him can help me relax". No worries my analogies are well understood by intelligent people not for the people who is supporting a web page where no intelligence allowed.

What part is confusing you? You can use some online dictionaries for ENGLISH WORDS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, or my students can explain them to you?


To riandouglas 2

(I'm new here, so I'm sorry if you've covered it previously.
What is this connection between things?
What does it do?
What is the mechanism behind it?
How do you know of it?)


Now you are catching on, right? Or you are conflicting with yourself?
Connection, cooperation and harmony between
Chlorophyll AND sunlight
Soil And rain
Vegetables and fruits along with vitamins AND our body
Photosynthesis, oxygen AND humans' breathing
Animals' products, honey, milk, eggs, silk AND human beings' needs
Animals' skin and products AND human clothes and accessories
Our brain AND controlling parts of the body
Lungs AND oxygen
Spinning of planets and our earth AND days and nights for humans to work and to rest.
Carbon dioxide AND trees
AND HUMAN BEING AND THINKING
heart and faith


I can give you more examples but it will do it. Everything was created by only one single creator who knows our needs very well and created all necessary things for us. That is why in universe and on our earth, everything is connected and cooperated with each other to only serve HUMAN BEINGS.

31. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #169344 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 7:41 pm

reverend

When I write to you i always use my divine feelings and prayings that one day you will believe in God but you don't. My mother passed away and yours too, i guess. I see her sometimes in my dreams. Now my question is that if you see your mother in your dream and says "the truth is that God exists, please reverend believe in God." What would you do? This is another sincere question of mine.
And how do you interpret dreams?

32. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #169341 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Epeeist:
(I take a bottle of water, don't have it blessed and put a spoonful of salt in it. That dissolves too. Now, I don't have a deductive-nomological explanation of why the salt dissolves. However, what I have done is show that your conjecture is false.)

We cannot limit God's creation into a bottle of or glass of water. All creations and creatures are all wisely connected to each other from sun and and sunlight to plants and vegetables or from soil to rain.

Blessed water or other miracles of God requires to have faith in God so if you don't have one how are we gonna discuss it?

33. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #169335 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 7:27 pm

A Challenge to Mr Dawkins and his horse man

An open letter with a brief question:

Are silkworms another threat to Evolution? How come a silkworm changes into another structure in a short time? How come they eat leaves but produce milk? How do they do that?

(If)Any scientific argument is welcomed?

34. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #169331 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 7:23 pm

To riandouglas

Hi nice too meet you. Welcome to the club, "I do not understand since i can't beat clearmind's logical analogies so i play clueless so that insulting him can help me relax". No worries my analogies are well understood by intelligent people not for the people who is supporting a web page where no intelligence allowed.

I donna wanna say you are talking gibberish because bad words belong to the mouth it pops up. When you wanna talk something someting scientific or logical you can leave that club and go up to the intelligent level of logic, the, you will see us.

35. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #168423 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 6:18 am

To Mbee
(must say you are an interesting character.)
Do I have to say thanks?
(you speak semi english,)

Well, thanks God then,- I wrote more than 400 hundred pages argument in English and I got the so-called answers in the same way. So hmm â€" If I were native speaker, this web page would be closed down. I guess it is gonna be a little longer.
(trying to antagonize people)

Nope. People are trying to offend LOGIC and logic defends itself.


(If you ever open up and tell people about yourself and why you believe what you do,)

I am bit of everything. But I would say I am a teacher. I am married and I have a daughter who recently has been observing the amazing creation in silkworms' job.

(I'm afraid you are getting no where!)

I do not think so. I am write in the human level in creation while Russell and Darwin looking for amino acids in the little pond. Indeed, my argument is very simple. Nothing can be existed by itself or other unconscious things like luck or chances; you can refer to my wooter or clearmind comments to see logical analogies.

Second if you wanna judge my comments, you have to ask each of the person who reads my arguments, then, you can say something. Otherwise assumptions will not make me look bad since it is based on I lose so I attack by insulting which is the worst sign of losing a battle.

The arguments I put forward need a very high IQ to understand; Example, I give the Rubik's cube an analogy and I got the answer how blessed water becomes blessed? There is a very big IQ Gap between what I write and what I get as reply.

Check it out!
Me:
Okay get a Rubik's cube and try to set it without touching it. But you can use some external powers, like wind, water, etc which are all unconscious, and then if you set the cube right, then I will believe that amino acids will went for the same way in the first place!

Epeeist:
You take a bottle of water to a priest and ask him to bless it. He does so and turns it into "holy water". You then take a spoonful of salt and put it into the water, it dissolves. Your hypothesis is that it is the blessing that causes the salt to dissolve.

I take a bottle of water, don't have it blessed and put a spoonful of salt in it. That dissolves too. Now, I don't have a deductive-nomological explanation of why the salt dissolves. However, what I have done is show that your conjecture is false.


Incredulous
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(Is religion a threat to rationality and science? I rest my case.}

Clearmind.
You see what I am saying? These are the answers they are able to. Now what?

36. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #168059 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 1:42 pm

To DINAH

('clearmind's' mind seems about as clear as thick oxtail soup or a mud-filled ditch. I have to confess that most of the time I have no idea what he is on about. Is this a common problem, or is it just me?)

Okay get a Rubik's cube and try to set it without touching it. But you can use some external powers, like wind, water, etc which are all unconscious, and then if you set the cube right, then I will believe that amino acids will went for the same way in the first place!

If you don't understand my question above while my students DO UNDERSTAND, and some of them here as well, hmm let me think, yeah it is just you.

Still you don't get the Rubik's cube analogy and amino acids, you better get someone to explain it to you. No worries intelligent guys understand what I am talking. Take it easy. Don't blame yourself.


To: Enlightenyouagain

Sieve is a term that Mr Dawkins popped up first. You can ask him. Accordingly I figured out reason sieve that means evolution ideas cannot get through the cirle of reason. I feel funny when I explain these simple conceptions. No intelligence allowed is the best term that fits in

37. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #167629 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 8:18 am

Mr Dennett

My favorite pal, reverend say, and i hope and pray for him one day, he just saw the truth and became a believer and he started writing against evolution and he is writing so well that nobody can refute his comments? What will you do with him?

Sorry reverend. Just an example to make it clear what truth is indeed about the reaction toward the converters:

I was blocked two times from this web page, a cencorship in the 21st century. So are you different, Mr Dennett? Blinkering ideas are not helping to save evolution.

38. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #167623 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 8:12 am

(Newton's law's of gravity explain the orbits of the planets)
Sorry to correct you: Newton did not/cannot create that law; he just found it. The one who finds it and the one who creates cannot be mixed up.
(random mutations.Natural selection, a non-random)
So where does silkworm fit in on this random mutations, natural selection and non random chances?
1. What makes Intelligent Design science?
2. What predictions does it make?
3. How can these predictions be tested and falsified?
4. What tests have been conducted?
5. What were the results of the tests?
Okay get a Rubik's cube and try to set it without touching it. But you can use some external powers, like wind, water, etc which are all unconscious, and then if you set the cube right, then I will believe that amino acids will went for the same way in the first place!

39. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #167501 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 5:33 am

Sorry Mr Denyit - sorry dennett

Your attacking on religions and their some practices will not make evolution theory true. Religion is the manual and handbook of humans if some they interpret it wrongly, that does not mean that God does not exist. If you take it wrong and fail to interpret it according to the time an circumstances, it has nothing to do with religion and accordingly evolution delusion. Your attempts are like the same as a little boy whose delusional toy is proved that it is delusional, having frustrated, attacking on real toys of other kids who are unable to use their toys properly and they damaged them.

40. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #167493 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 5:25 am

Dan Dennett VS Reality

Are silkworms another threat to evolution delusion?

Silk worm: Okay guys let's do our job. Make the silk for humans.

Dennett: Hello little fellas

Silk worm: Hello dear! What's up?
Dennett I am just curious. Why are you so hard-working. Take it easy. Lie down. Relax.
Silk worm: Sorry we are created to serve humans. We gotta work.

Dennett : Created? You are not. You came from the worm million years ago?

Silk worm: we were not gone through NATURAL SELECTION?

Dennett :You know too much.

Silk worm: Yep. Like all the other animals, we are all designed and heavenly inspired to serve people.

Dennett :Prove it. Come on prove it.

Silk worm: Are you blinded or deluded? What are we doing now? Silk right? How do we do that? Who taught us to make the most expensive fabric in the world? What kind of proof do you still want? How come we eat green leaves but we make white silk?
Dennett :Evolution?

Silk worm: Excuse me did you say frustration?
Dennett :I did not say frustration. Evolution is not frustration. Look! All animals happened by evolution, chances and unexplained luck, okay?
Silk worm: And you are saying that we, unconscious creatures like silkworms, bees, chickens sheep and cows, produce amazing things for conscious humans by chance and luck?

Dennett :Evolution cannot be explained because it is too complex to explain! Thus complex things are evolution because they can't be explained.

Silk worm: Yeah when we look at the evolution ivy creeper, it says all itself what it is.
Sir, what you say is totally not referring to logic and intelligence. And also, between science and evolution, there is an unbridgeable gab which cannot be filled by anything even with playing words.
Look, we are really busy and we have no time for chit chat. But we saw two guys named Bertrand Russell and Darwin around LITTLE POND, LOOKING FOR SOME AMINO ACIDS, YOU CAN HAVE A CHAT WITH THEM. BYE.

41. Interviews with Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer

Comment #166523 by clearmind on April 23, 2008 at 9:35 am

Incredulous
Incredibly incredible incredulous
SAYS
'Intelligent people are supposed to fall straight into line.'

If I were you I would be extremely careful about your wording while you are supporting an unintelligent theory with intelligent mind, which proves otherwise.
You are telling us that YOU came from worm by chances and unexplained randomness and luck yet you have no clue how the universe existed in the first place, and still claiming to be intelligent calls for the title, "no intelligence allowed." I don't know you but we all creatures have been created by God through wisdom and explainable the curtain of reasons and causes.


To Epeeist
How do explain the earth and other planets' rotation and spinning around themselves, their relation between them and the creatures on the earth by sky evolution? (Sky evolution ?) Or again unexplained CHANCES?

First I asked it and no dodging my question, please!


(things cannot be questioned" )

Do not cut out my sentences to twist my meaning. Here is the whole sentence:

(Indeed, the existed things cannot be questioned how they are made since they are already existed. It is more important to ask WHY RATHER THAN HOW?)

Your questions' answers lie in the answers â€" you are supposed to give but you dodged them again to my question, "If you leave a Rubik's in public and wait for it to be set by itself or chances, selfish genes, menotthinking, blindwatcmaker, etc (each cube like an amino acid) then if it is set, then I will give up"

Testing testing can you hear me?

Indeed my question is simple; since I proved that evolution has nothing with logic, who is the creator of creations which require a creator?

Mr Dawkins vainly jumped on other planets looking for aliens for evolution topic. He is like looking for the designer of a huge building who cannot find him in the first room, now he is looking for other rooms? Alas, he is having hard times. And if Ben Stein is movie has not so much influence on Public, why is he pissed off that much?

42. Gods and earthlings

Comment #166516 by clearmind on April 23, 2008 at 9:33 am

Quetzalcoatl
(Let me spell it out. The picture is of a TROLL. You are a TROLL. Your contributions are of less value than the greenish residue in my handkerchief following a particularly vehement nose-blowing.)

1. Bad words belong to the mouth it pops up. So Nice to meet you Mr TROLL, t_r-o-l-l right? MY NAME IS CLEARMIND.
2. Insulting will not help evolution come true. And insulting is a bad sign of losing the battle
3. Just give up insulting but if it will relax you or give the impression that you are saving your hurt pride, then, continue, but it is not good advertisement for you while Irate is setting a bad example for evolins and leaving his name card in the end with capital letters.

43. Interviews with Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer

Comment #165704 by clearmind on April 22, 2008 at 4:24 am

lievemebe
(How can such an obvious circular fallacy contribute to intelligent discussion? And, what is this nonsense about circle of reason and logic surrounded by circle of faith?)

Nonsense means something that does not make sense because it is not logical. So if I say millions of creatures came from a worm that came from a cell that came from amino acids' UNEXPLAINED CHANCER AND LUCK(Dawkins) mixing up, those amino acids came from the chemicals rains from planets and those planets

Incredulous
(How do you know this, clearmind)

84 per cent of world population stick to their faith because they are rational and see the things through logic and reach the conclusion that perfect things require perfect design and a designer.

(So the only way to faith is through logic? You are prepared to publicly demonstrate this, yes?)

Even you use your mind and logic to set Rubik's cube right, how come you ignore your mind and reason to set the creation right? And you say Rubik's cube is set by itself or CHANCES OR UNEXPLAINED RANDOMNESS?

If you leave a Rubik's in public and wait for it to be set by itself or chances, selfish genes, menotthinking, blindwatcmaker, etc (each cube like an amino acid)
Then if it is set, then I will give up!


(I take it this is the difference between cultural religion and true faith. I guess what you are saying is that if your prayers are not answered then clearly you do not have true faith. Yes?)

My prayers, most of them are answered:
God answers the believers' prayers and if the things they ask are good to them, God will give them right away or later or in heaven.


(What's boggling my mind is that you actually have the capacity to operate a computer!)

If you explain us how your computer-like brain works by evolution from worm, unconscious, mindless creatures, to conscious, reasonable, thinking human beings? Is it enough boggling for evolution?


Darwin's shitsu
(there are mountains of evidence for evolution but don't take my word for it, look it up, go on i dare you.)

Well, mountain of evidence is in terms of semantics or reality since we do not see any?
I have got another amazing animal which will cause another problem for evolution?

44. Gods and earthlings

Comment #165689 by clearmind on April 22, 2008 at 3:38 am

Let's see what we have in evolution menu today:

(This isn't a difficult puzzle.)

I got one puzzle already. Please help me out which one is which? Which came from which and How?

http://www.google.com.hk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dhushara.com/book/evol/trevol.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dhushara.com/book/evol/evol.htm&h=150&w=104&sz=784&tbnid=WK3hQdYPAFsJ:&tbnh=150&tbnw=104&prev=/images?q=evolution tree&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

Sorry about the length. You know when the topic is evolution tree, the related web page is even getting complicated.

And please tell us where that picture, half human and half monster that describes evolution best takes place in the evolution â€" I donna wanna say tree since tree is something that is in order, let's say it CREEPER EVOLUTION/ evolution creeper.


EEPIST
How do explain the earth and other planets' rotation and spinning around themselves, their relation between them and the creatures on the earth by sky evolution? (Sky evolution ?) Or again unexplained CHANCES?


Reverend;

I am worried about you, man long time no reverend;

I am so sorry about uppercase. Speaking of coherence and coherent, how do you interpret these two concepts in terms of evolution? Is there any coherence and consistence in evolution creeper? Very lately, some guys keep saying mountain of evidence for evolution? I guess they mean ALIENS OR EARTHLINGS OR SOEMTHING ON DELUSION ISLAND?

As for logic, Logic has done its job already with Stein's movie. And there will be more. Even if Dawkins write millions books or keep insulting or write dozen of articles a day, he is unable to wipe out the refuting of evolution because we human being think and act reasonably and rationally and this is what Ben Stein movie did it openly; no intelligence allowed in evolution.

Take care reverend, please think and think about what evolution brings to your logic!


Frankus1122
Tell us how God and Jesus did it.

Indeed, the existed things cannot be questioned how they are made since they are already existed. It is more important to ask WHY RATHER THAN HOW? You are already given a lot of blessings and you want to see how and if you don't want to see how you are created, then you deny it because you did not see God in a lab creating entire university. Does it make sense to you? If you watch an unborn baby's phases to happen, you see the miracle of God openly.

45. Gods and earthlings

Comment #165151 by clearmind on April 21, 2008 at 6:10 am

(by Quetzalcoatl on April 21, 2008 at 4:00 am

Excellent, Clearmind has posted. That gives me an opportunity to use this: )

wOW THE PICTURE IS THE EVOLUTION OR BEFORE MONKEY OR AFTER MONKEY,. MAN. RVOLUTION HAS GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS ON EVOLTION TREE. WE CANNOT FIND THE SPOTS FOR THE MONSTERS ALREADY, NOW YOU ARE SENDING ANOTHER MONSTER LIKE HUMAN OR MONKEY OR DNA ACCIDENT OR SELFISH GENE IS NOT SELFISH ENOUGH, MUTATION IS NOT COMPLETE OR MENOTTHINKING FAILED AGAIN. nOW TELL ME WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TIS EVOLUTION PICTURE? sEND IT TO BEN STEIN TO MOCK EVOLUTION. oH MAN

46. Interviews with Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer

Comment #165122 by clearmind on April 21, 2008 at 5:02 am

(If you look at the evidence for evolution, then still deny it,)

What evidence and what army?


(So I would say that religious belief is all about emotion, not reason!)

Circle of Reason and logic is surrounded by the circle of faith. When the reason's border is finished, the border of faith starts and ends in heaven. In other words, reason and logic is the initial step to have faith in God's creation. Creation requires logic and reason, and logic and reason verifies creation of God. Some people in any religion have the faith as a custom, and some people have the faith deeply. Otherwise whatever you pray will not go further an exercise or body tiredness.

As for you, Layla, I just asked some muslims guys that whether whether Muslims quit their religion or not. I was told that this is a very rare situation in Islam religion.

Why are you here? (Who are these people?" I wondered, "...and why do I keep coming back to their site?")

a. You quit your religion.
b. You are atheist and you are trying to prove that Evolution is true because you are giving a helping hand to Dawkins after the battle of intelligence with Ben Stein
c. You are an attention seeker?

Now If I would say, I would not be surprised if some more believers popping out of nowhere claming that they became atheists to try to save evolution and atheists face along with Dawkins, " Nah, but I wouldn't. I do not think that evolution is so hurt by Stein's Movie? Then question is boggling my mind; why is Dawkins overreacting?

47. Gods and earthlings

Comment #165096 by clearmind on April 21, 2008 at 4:00 am

(Moderationmuse
And farewell.)

No intelligence allowed.

48. Gods and earthlings

Comment #165093 by clearmind on April 21, 2008 at 3:55 am

flying goose
(But why should apparent design imply a designer? Any way why would God be a designer?)

So you are saying that a watch and a solar system, both of which are designed with specific calculations â€" tilting of the earth, the sun's perfect distance to the earth, earth's spinning around itself and around the sun to make us days and nights, do not need a designer? Or do not imply a designer?

This is where atheists or evolinn get stuck. They do not want to deal with logic or reason while they put their evolution idea forward, or they go with Dawkins' UNEXPLAINED DODGING.

Dodging logic is not a way to prove something which one claims that it is logical

49. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163611 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Al rawandi

Ignorant is coming from ignorance. Anyway, having no answer to logiocal arguments requires to insult to save the evolution. take its easy and give the kids an explanation why is that evolution does not fit in Logic?

50. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163608 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 3:51 pm

clearmind:
(As a linguist, I'm saving your comments to help me teach syntax. Your name is also very good evidence that reasoning skills (in case your mind is as clear as you claim) are totally unrelated to language use.
Also, in your post you mention "being in denial" several times. I really think you should listen to yourself)

No worries; I use the comments here in philosphy lesson as the examples of how illogical arguments come out. They love it. Specially the monkey and Monalisa parts. Way to go jack, way to go.