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Comment #215600 by bitofinger on July 22, 2008 at 7:16 am
This interview is why I treasure men and women like Richard, Christopher Hitchens, Sue Blackmore, Barry Lynn, et al and try to support them and talk them up whenever I can. The sheer nerve of Richard to be patient and kind and observant and listen and not to be condescending (Hitch is out on this point, but he gets triple credit for knowledge and understanding of history and events) or irrational.
How much patience is required to deal with the incredible ignorance of so many believers? How many times must the stupefied babble of ancient prophets be dispelled for the obviously manufactured fraud it is? How difficult is it to answer the same mind-numbing and inane questions over and over and over ad nausea? How much determination does it take to repeatedly state the most obvious, most intelligible, strongest argument for human existence ever postulated when nothing else compares? I don't know how they do it.
My sincere hope is that we are on a learning curve, albeit a protracted one. Go back 100 years and countless fantastic discoveries in modern science disappear. I am in total agreement with Richard on this. Science is in fact necessarily the enemy of belief and does pose a great and fantastic threat to established religions. What a wonderful day to look forward to when human minds are free from the oppressive chains of fear and ignorance.
And if some people are afraid of what might happen in the meanwhile, that some great mushroom cloud will appear on the horizon before the pious will give up their power, then so be it. Maybe natural selection will get a second chance to continue what it started without arrogant meddling.
Thank you, again, Richard.
2. Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss
Comment #174164 by bitofinger on May 1, 2008 at 7:39 pm
ASMarques,
Your spinning has gotten out of control.
...the alleged gas chamber and epicenter of the "Holocaust" where at least hundreds of thousands are supposed to have been gassed non-stop -- are not there...
"Today, these four small holes that connected the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys cannot be observed in the ruined remains of the concrete slab. Yet does this mean they were never there? We know that after the cessation of the gassings in the fall of 1944 all the gassing equipment was removed, which implies both the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys. What would have remained would have been the four narrow holes and the slab. While there is no certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the hole and thus restore the slab."
...since the holes are not there and no refilling can be detected, what do you make of the eyewitness stories about the alleged gassings that require the holes in the ceiling for the introduction of the Zyklon B? Are they true or are they false?
...burning to know whether I hate gays (?) or women (?), or whether I believe "in the ethical and responsible stewardship of the environment" (?) and hold "the whole of nature as equal and deserving, subject to checks and balances" (?)...
Here are the first words of an interesting new text by French intellectual Alain Soral -- yes, there are still a few survivors in Voltaire's country.
"When with a Frenchman, a Zionist Jew, you start to say that maybe there are problems that come from you. Maybe you might have made a few mistakes. It's not systematically the other person's fault, totally, if no one can stand you everywhere you go. Because that's their general history, you see. For 2500 years, every time they've settled somewhere, within fifty years they get themselves beat up." (Broadcasted on the French television channel France 2 on September 20, 2004)
"Homosexuals have nothing to do with the Gay Pride ideology. An ideology which involves, to [Soral], promotion of the 'Gorgeous Guy' model, youth, parties, drag queens in order to obscure the reality of homosexuality, of aged or working-class homosexuals."
Alain Soral distinguish two sorts of feminism, those of the "flippées" (freaked-out) à la Simone de Beauvoir and those of the "pétasses" (sluts) à la Elisabeth Badinter."
Alas, no reply forthcoming from the excited posters...
The obsession with "main-stream ideas" is yours, not mine. I for one couldn't care less about main-stream ideas...
"Every German, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the Jew personifies and for what persists in the Jew. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead."
Hateful stuff? Right. But, of course, it's a false quote. The true one comes from Elie Wiesel the Talmudic Jew himself: just substitute Jew for German and German for Jew.
3. Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss
Comment #172607 by bitofinger on April 29, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Al-rawandi,
Thanks for the heads-up.
I checked out some of the sites and people that ASMarques bandies about like bad gossip as if they were actually part of main-stream ideas, and you were absolutely right. Turns out one of the people, Alain Soral, is not only anti-semitic, but appears to be anti-homosexual and anti-woman as well. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Soral
Note in particular the passage in which it appears bad behavior was on both sides of the aisle. "The association Act Up rounded on his publisher, the éditions Blanche, whom they claimed, through books like those of Alain Soral or Éric Rémès spread negative prejudices towards homosexuals and even, hate. They asked the director of publication to stop publishing these two authors and they vandalized the bureaux of the publisher. The head of the editions Blanche claimed the members of Act Up physically assaulted his executive assistant and threatened to press charges. Act Up denied such accusations. And be it as it may, no legal action have been intended."
But of course this will be dismissed as another Jewish attempt to hijack reality. Then see for yourself at
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.alainsoral.com/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search?q=alain soral&hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS251US251
One of the sites referenced by Marques makes radical and inflammatory statements such as "May 6, 2007, France enslaved to the Israeli-American Empire" regarding the date Sarkozy was elected. This site in particular was full of alarmist propaganda such as a picture of Sarkozy with American and Israeli flags behind him and the words "The Axis of Hate" emblazoned across the bottom of the photo. As you can imagine, the pages were in no way lacking exclamation points.
I'm not saying it is impossible the Holocaust was a tremendous hoax. I'm saying the possibilities of it being a hoax are akin to a giant tea pot floating out in space somewhere between Mars and Jupiter. Yet I cannot disprove it. I have not, much to my discredit, circled the aforementioned area in my spaceship, tracing all possible orbits for said tea pot, therefore I cannot ethically with 100% certainty deny its existence. I have only listened to opinions of main-stream, reasonable scientists and formed opinions based on my estimations of probability.
And being that I have not, most likely to the disquietude of ASMarques, time-traveled back to Nazi Germany during WWII to see for myself that there were no gas chambers, no
"plan, no written orders at any level, no assigned method of mass murder or bureaucratic control, leaving it to the imagination of a whole bunch of telepathic improvisers who then came up with mass execution by steam, electrocution, non-toxic Diesel exhaust, Zyklon B insecticide, lime train car, pedal-driven brain-bashing machine (all attested to in the Nuremberg trials), and no remaining vestiges in any of the precisely located alleged murder sites"
...the vast German conspiracy to secretly exterminate an entire race in the hope future historians would be at a loss to determine what had happened to them,
4. Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss
Comment #172221 by bitofinger on April 29, 2008 at 11:02 am
. Comment #170347 by ASMarques on April 27, 2008 at 4:46 pm
My point is not ambiguous at all, it's as straightforward as you can possibly imagine. It's simply this (count the words): the alleged "Holocaust" of the Jews by the Germans (extermination, homicidal gas chambers, approximately 6 million murdered Jews) never happened.
It may be the impression you get from the fact that I consciously avoid replying to insulting or vulgar comments from childish adversaries in like fashion.
Why the constant need to address the man or woman (or thing, as one of our friends on this forum suggested by using "it" in addition to your own "he" or "she") instead of the arguments?
Your comparison looks to me like an easy way out of the frustration...
...of not being able to argue some matter you attribute great importance to.
I wonder what might that be. Some peculiar bit of religious humbug, perhaps?...
5. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?
Comment #168900 by bitofinger on April 25, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Winston of Dennett:
The problem with his interesting views of the possible evolutionary basis of religious belief is that he seems unable to treat the beliefs and feelings of believers seriously. Might not God disapprove of this much more?
Religion is built into human consciousness and there is plentiful evidence of it being a cohesive force. Apart from the survival of our prehistoric ancestors, in recent times there are powerful examples of how a notion of the transcendental has spurred humans on in desperate situations. Viktor Frankl, in the midst of the extreme deprivation, dehumanisation and despair of Auschwitz observes how, in his assessment, only those with some spirituality - not necessarily a belief in God - survived the depravity of the camp.
Like many of my brilliant scientific colleagues, he conveys the notion that science is about a kind of certainty.
The problem is that scientists now too frequently believe we have the answers to these questions, and hence the mysteries of life.
But, oddly, the more we use science to explore nature, the more we find things we do not understand and cannot explain.
In reality, both religion and science are expressions of man's uncertainty. Perhaps the paradox is that certainty, whether it be in science or religion, is dangerous. The danger of Dennett's relatively gentle brand of certainty is that it increases polarisation in our society. With inflexible positions on both sides, certainty surely is the biggest threat to rationality, and to science.
6. Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss
Comment #166347 by bitofinger on April 23, 2008 at 7:21 am
Comment #161853 by DasSquid on April 15, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Is it just me, or did ASMarques post make absolutely no fucking sense at all?
Comment #162265 by 7Fred7 on April 16, 2008 at 1:18 pm
No, it's not just you.
7. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher
Comment #165201 by bitofinger on April 21, 2008 at 7:51 am
This was really a non-interview and very poorly conducted. I'm usually a big fan of Maher. This piece, with its canned audience responses and nervous, contrived laughter from Maher, looked more like a promo for the book - which I am fully enjoying - but there was nothing substantive here except a scientist and a comedian discussing another scientist's opinion of the validity of a talking reptile, of which neither were sure.
8. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled
Comment #159073 by bitofinger on April 11, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Comment #158996 by iBELIEVEinJESUS on April 11, 2008 at 10:03 am
I'd like some feedback on this... I truly believe that religion is going to bring about the demise of humanity (maybe civilization is a better word). What is the atheist/evolutionist's proposed solution to what I believe will be the primary cause for the destruction of mankind on a massive level?
Is it limited to an aggressive educational campaign?
9. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled
Comment #158937 by bitofinger on April 11, 2008 at 7:44 am
. Posted by: EvidenceOnly on April 10, 2008 at 10:12 am
Religions claim patent rights to morality and truth but make stuff up and spit out an endless stream of blatant lies.
It' not ignorance. It's much worse: massive organized deceit.
10. Get out of here, atheists!
Comment #156693 by bitofinger on April 8, 2008 at 6:41 am
. Comment #156346 by RainDear on April 7, 2008 at 11:16 am
Once again, trying not to offend our American friends but ---
How is it possible for these idiots to get elected? What the hell is wrong with your country?
11. Happy Birthday, Richard Dawkins!
Comment #150362 by bitofinger on March 26, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Bappy Hirthday Richard!
With any luck at all, one day you will be discovered as a transitional fossil!
12. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #149213 by bitofinger on March 25, 2008 at 9:12 am
Richard,
Thank you for your effort to confront this film and a hundred times over for your continuous efforts to bring science and reason to a new Age of Enlightenment.
Although I'm sure of your description of the factual errancies in the film and of the dishonest, manipulative nature of its producer, I think you should have left film critiquing to the film critics.
Your frustration and impatience are apparent in your review, and you may well be giving people like Mathis the precious oxygen for which they so desperately starve by describing the film as "whiny, paranoid -- pathetic really." These are not adjectives a serious or really even a casual film audience would regard when considering whether to see it or not - though I did love the Lord Privy Seal reference.
I trust you trust in me to trust in you that yours is the highest, most noble of pursuits (couldn't resist a little obfuscation).
All tolled, it was a genuine article. ;)
13. Two More Fleas
Comment #146842 by bitofinger on March 19, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Has anyone provided a proof of God's inexistence?
Not even close.
Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here?
Not even close.
Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life?
Not even close.
Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought?
Close enough.
Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral?
Not close enough.
Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good?
Not even close to being close.
Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences?
Close enough.
Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational?
Not even ballpark.
Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt?
Dead on.