1. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195728 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 6:03 pm

To All

Before I leave, do any of you have any prayer requests? My group is praying for your repentance and salvation.

God Bless

2. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195724 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 5:56 pm

Apathy personified

I understand you are just defending your claims, but mine are just as justified. You choose to believe that anything which supports a designer has been disproved and not valid. We both know this is not the case. If you choose to argue your point making untrue scientific statements, then I would rather not keep this discussion going. Things that might provide better conditions? You can't debunk the fine tuning of our solor system. Try again. You can destruct living things and their components on Evolutionary terms bacause they were constructed by inferences on Evolutionary terms. Again, talking in circles.

3. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195718 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 5:48 pm

Styrer

I have put up. Sorry if it is not good enough for you.

When it comes to design, I never said that I did not belive in mutation. The process of life is very complicated and it is logical that mutations and deformaties exist. What does that have to do with design?

4. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195713 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 5:43 pm

Brian English

This arguement is not even worth discussing. Almost everything is based on inference or being apparent. Even Macroevolution is based soley on inference. You are talking in circles.

My logical reasoning allows me to make this inference of apparent design. This is very justified to me. This is a very logical leap that most of society makes.

Regarding the dam. If I saw a rock roll into a stream, then by observation, I would reason that it was just a rock that rolled into a stream naturally creating a dam. But if I hadn't seen it rolling into the stream, and upon closer inspection I saw certain mechanics, systems and processes within the rock then I would logically reason that is was designed as a dam.

5. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195705 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Styrer

You said:

Worried about morals? Plenty of us do good stuff without thought of reward in heaven or punishment in hell

What morals are we talking about? What is good stuff mean to you?

6. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195703 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Apathy personified

Here goes again. I will explain my logical reasoning which leads me to conclude life had a designer. Like I said before, my reasoning and logic tells me that if I see something that looks designed I can make a inference that it is. I do not have to witness or see the designer. In my logic and reasoning a design takes a designer.

We choose to disagree, but I observe design in many places; in the complexity of life, the fine tuning of our solor system, in addition to many others. These observances are support for a logical reason that there was a designer of life.

I don't know much more to say. May be this is not logical reasoning to you or we may have a different definition of what constitutes logic and reason.

To infer a designer is much more logical in my mind then any other inference. Most of society agrees. It can't be proven otherwise.

7. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195677 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:59 pm

To All

Do any of you talk to Dawkins. I heard through some very reliable sources that he is starting to question himself and might even be contemplating making a public statement in regards to his uncertainty of Macroevolution.

Any sources on your side?

8. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195673 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Frankus1122

Proved my point.

9. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195670 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:51 pm

To All

It seems apparent that this discussion is way over your head. You are so narrow minded that you have lost all logic and reason.

At this point, my theory is, you are either playing with me or really that stupid. There is no other theory.

10. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195664 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Apathy personified and Styrer

I do not need to tell you what any psychologist would answer if posed this question.

"What does it imply, when in a discussion, people resort to critiquing someone on their spelling and grammer."

11. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195657 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:38 pm

To All,

If you are so blind to not see, and not infer that our world, the complexity of the cell and all of nature, is designed just because you can't see the designer then you are making a conscience choice to be ignorant. You accept an unproven inference to the Evolution of life but refuse to use logical reasoning that a designer exists.

Yes, you will claim this is not scientific, but you have no scientific theory of the origins of life. The origins of life, a designer, is the only logical reasonable answer.

Your views are so set in stone, scientifically, that you lost all reason and logic in any area beyond the constraints of science.

This is sad.

12. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195643 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:22 pm

To All

Due to my suggestion, there are many people observing this forum. I must tell you, they are dumbfounded of the idiotic banter between you guys. That you actually believe each others deception. Keep going. You are making a mockery of yourselves. It's very entertaining.

13. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195635 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Apathy personified

Dito on your side. You are incredible. All you have for Macro evolution is inferences and then you state I have no case for ID due to it is inferences of design which leads me to a designer. What a stupid arguement.

14. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195631 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:13 pm

To All,

It's so funny that any references you use, to support your claims, is of the highest academic caliber but all ID sources are worthless. Criticizing the source versus the info just shows how set in your ways you are. If God came to you, proving without a doubt that he is the Creator of life, you would still find some analogy to discredit him.

15. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195624 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Apathy personified

Your opinion. Can you support it?

16. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195621 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 4:04 pm

Brian English

Are crop circles designed or just a design of nature?

17. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195610 by ReceivedTheGift on June 18, 2008 at 3:47 pm

To All



http://www.conservapedia.com/Intelligent_design

P.S. I'm sure all of your data and info for defending the non designer opinion of the origins of life come exclusively from pro evolutionary sites and materials.

18. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194861 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:40 am

Kardashovel

You would. Are you really that gullible?

19. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194858 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:38 am

epeeist

Are you the same epeeist, making a comment on another forum, in which you state you are starting to question Evolutionary theory, but are afraid to openly discuss it due to the liklihood of being ridiculed?

P.S. The picture sure does look the same.

20. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194856 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:35 am

To All

Have you read the papers? There has been an influx of scientists turning to Creation as the real truthful answer to life. I am talking record numbers. Either humble yourselves and admit defeat or run to the hills. Your evil ways are going to be short lived. You will be held accountable for your actions.

21. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194849 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:30 am

Quine

Flood?

flood:NOUN

An overflowing of water onto land that is normally dry.
A flood tide.
An abundant flow or outpouring: received a flood of applications. See Synonyms at flow.
A floodlight, specifically a unit that produces a beam of intense light.
Flood In the Bible, the covering of the earth with water that occurred during the time of Noah.

Hope this helps.

22. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194845 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:28 am

Why are all of you such bitter people? It is so obvious that you have no happiness in your life. Your hearts are empty. Jesus can fill this void. Just trust in him. There has been something done to you in the past that is not enabling you to trust and have faith in a loving and all powerful God. Overcome this. You can do it. You have the free will to change your life today, for the better.

23. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194842 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:24 am

severalspeciesof

RIGHT!

I have pointed this out to you. Respond to me.

24. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194838 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:18 am

hungarianelephant

Easy. If you admit defeat, in that Evolution theory is dead, you are left with only one choice. A designer/creator. It's that simple. The end. What don't you understand about this?

25. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194835 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:15 am

It is only a matter of time. Get your apologizing speech ready now. You will be held accountable for all the evil and deceiving you have perpetuated in regards to the Evolutionary myth.

26. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194832 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:11 am

"Darwin's Black Box" is the scientific masterpiece of mankind. It is turning the Evolution proponent community upside down. All ready this year, there has been hundreds of Evolutionary scientists, from all fields, which have openly admitted that in the "behind the doors" conversations, Evolution theory is dead. Only the honest and humanitarian proponents will have the integrity to come clean. How about your integrity? Come clean now before you are exposed and "Expelled".

27. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194824 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 10:04 am

advocatus_diaboli

Because you refuse to open your eyes and reason. It's there for all to see. You are choosing ignorance in accepting the immpossible vs. the unthinkable.

28. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194807 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 9:48 am

hungarianelephant


Carl Sagan? He's a has been. Nobody believes in his works anymore.

Now Behe, he's the new kid on the block. Very impressive. You all should read his work. You might learn the truth. Or is the truth too much to bear?

29. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194801 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 9:45 am

I am assuming a lot of you are British. What happened to the cooking gene in your evolutionary process? That alone proves that evolution is false. British food kills all. You all should be history by now.

30. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194800 by ReceivedTheGift on June 17, 2008 at 9:41 am

Now that you all had some time to think about what I have presented, are there any questions you would like to ask me in regards to Creation. Or should I have you educate yourself like you asked of me?

31. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194535 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 11:04 pm

Brian English


And spontaneous life makes a case? I did not know that the insane asylum gives access to the internet.

32. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194532 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 11:01 pm

Brian English

You just refuse the only other logical answer, a designer, that you are willing to believe in a spontaneous life theory as an alternative. Truly amazing. To make such idiotic claims and intentially illogical statements, just to avoid the chance of a designer, shows you are suffering from some form of deep emotional issues.

33. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194528 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:55 pm

Brian English

Do you study any of this nonsense you choose to believe in, or just take the word for it from a few science whackos?

34. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194524 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Brian English

Listen to yourself. Have you been brainwashed to the extent that a logical explanation is spontaneous life? Take a moment and think.

35. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194523 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:50 pm

Brian English

This dialogue is turning into a sitcom. Spontaneous life? Spontaneous life.? Am I not reading this correctly?

36. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194521 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:47 pm

Brian English

Spontaneous life? Are you for real? May be spontaneous life in which one then can grow wings and fly away. Talk about fairy tales.

37. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194519 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Steve Zara

Showing signs of defeat. Did I stump the Dr? Avoid my questions and call me names to hide your inability to make a logical come back. I think the judge would throw this one out of court for the incompetence of the jury.

38. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194515 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Steve Zara

And you accuse me of being in LaLa land? Talk about faith.

39. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194514 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Brian English

No. What you claim as lack of imagination is reality. You choose to be in denial. The FACT is, if we are going on the assumption that Macroveolution is not a valid theory, through process of elimination, we can deem, with what science has discovered, the only option is a designer. Are you implying that the original starting cell, which you base the Evolutionary theory process began from, was not complex?

40. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194509 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:23 pm

Brian English

I gave you my case. As in Evolution, it is all based on a logical opinion. Your theory is also an opinion. My opinion makes more logical sense then the opinion of Macroevolution with what science has discovered. You claim that if Macroevolution is falsified that Creation would not be the only other theory available. I beg to differ. There is only two outcomes. Either chance or design.

41. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194504 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:18 pm

Steve Zara

Double talk. Dawkins statement of "no need for a designer" would then also be an opinion. He has no proof that a designer was not needed, thus no logic.

42. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194501 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:15 pm

In addition, until the theory of Evolution makes more progress, in closing the gaps of the excessive circumstantial inferences, I accept that the most complex machine ever known to mankind, the cell, is logically and mathamatically the result of a designer. I can't and will not accept that Macroevolution is a result of what you define as Evolution.

43. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194495 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Brian English

I already gave you a logical answer. What science has shown in the microbiology field, the complexity of life, in addition to seeing the wonders of the world, enables me to logically accept a designer.

44. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194492 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:05 pm

Brian English

It is very apparent that you do not have the education or intelligence to know what you are talking about. There is no need for you to respond to my questions. Your answers are worthless.

45. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194489 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 10:02 pm

I already explained that I can't prove, scientifically, of a designer because your definition of science does not allow it. It would be futile.

46. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194487 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 9:59 pm

My question was to Steve.

47. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194483 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Steve Zara

How come so many mammals give birth to offspring that are not self sufficient? Would it not make sense for Evolution to be true that "the survival of the fittest" scenario would have evolved offspring which are self sufficient?

48. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194479 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 9:49 pm

Brian English

Got you on that one. Didn't I?

49. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194477 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 9:46 pm

I assume that since there is no mathamatical equation for the theory of Evolution that it can never be considered a scientific law, thus only a theory based on far reaching inferences.

50. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194441 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 7:56 pm

Anyone want to tell me what the difference is between a scientific law and a scientific theory?