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Comment #205527 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 7, 2008 at 12:15 pm
No, I think I'll wait until you've answered a few of the points I've left for you on previous threads instead of waltzing off to new ones and re-asserting your same old religiously unshakeable position.
2. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #205084 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 2:05 pm
On the subject of things that rile Muslim sensibilities, apparently Barack Obama's website does the same thing:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021641.php#comments
3. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #205083 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 2:01 pm
*nods* Thanks, Steve, I mean it.
If you can prove me wrong - on any of these issues or on any aspect of these issues - I'd be intensely grateful.
Thinking in terms of mass deportation, or the horrific alternatives, or of what may - what will - happen if CBN terrorism is used against the West, always feels unreal, like I'm trapped in some horror movie.
4. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #205073 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Steve I appreciate your comments on shariah financing.
Yet what I am referring to is the advocates of Shariah law to be law of the land, or even parts of it. Bonzai is right in describing it as a Total System. It's an integral part of Islam.
No interpretation of Shariah can ever override the Hadith, much less the Qur'an. This is why not one of the schools of jurisprudence rejects the death penalty for apostasy. Nor does any of them reject the murder for those who blaspheme against Islam.
Yes, of course, many Muslims don't know what it is they are advocating. At least, I don't think they do. That doesn't change the nature of the advocacy though. Even if they do not know it, they are, in fact and in reality, supporting murder.
5. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #205037 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I assumed we were discussing changing people's ideas, not defending yourself from actual physical attack.
6. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #205015 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 11:56 am
If Jihad Watch is something we should read, get it linked to from here - submit an article.
You can only use reason. There is no other choice.
7. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204989 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 11:23 am
In fairness, if Lord Phillips had tried explaining cross-jurisdictional rules, he'd still be there now and most of the audience would have died of bordeom.
8. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #204965 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 10:12 am
There are serious issues to be discussed here, but I don't think it is helpful to pick up on individual stories and try and generalize from them.
People need to be persuaded that their ideas are silly in a civilized way.
9. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204929 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 8:05 am
Rachel thanks for giving me the speech. It is a masterpiece of evasions, fog, and blur. Take this:
It was not very radical [of the Archbishop of Canterbury] to advocate embracing Sharia Law in the context of family disputes, for example, and our system already goes a long way towards accommodating the Archbishop's suggestion.
It is possible in this country for those who are entering into a contractual agreement to agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.
is no reason why principles of Sharia Law, or any other religious code should not be the basis for mediation or other forms of alternative dispute resolution. It must be recognised, however, that any sanctions for a failure to comply with the agreed terms of the mediation would be drawn from the laws of England and Wales.
10. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204897 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 5:39 am
My point was that *Phillips* should be more careful in the use of *his* language; if all he was advocating is that which Rachel Holmes and Eric Blair summarise.
11. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204883 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 4:26 am
The use of language is very important in all of this.
The use of language is very important in all of this. The term "Sharia" comes with a lot of baggage and stigma attached. If you strip away the misogyny, homophobia and use of violence contained within the Sharia, you are left with a skeleton that bears little resemblance to what you started with. Therefore, as with other terms that come with baggage - such as "coloureds" when referring to a race of people with dark skin - the term should be avoided at all costs.
12. Prayer refusal pupils 'disciplined'
Comment #204848 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 5, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Fanusi,
You just like to pick on me don't you?
I don't that it is at all fair to say that saying the Islamic religion is bad, is equivolent to saying all Muslims are therefore bad.
13. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204842 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Why am I not surprised that there is no level of dishonesty Vin isn't capable of?
C'mon, not even Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a victim of the nastiest and darkest side of the form of Islam that raises eyebrows even in "Khartoum", never resorted to using such language. Why should you? If you're THAT concerned then I'd rather not know about it !!
I think he has as much to learn from insiders as he has from those alien to the culture and dependent on biased journalism to nourish their intellect.
At least some of us know the language or have spent some time there
The raw power of ideas -- yes, because ideas exist independently of ideators and control people's actions without reference to their circumstances.
Last year, Parliament also passed a law to protect young women from forced marriage. It's not that one-sided.
14. Prayer refusal pupils 'disciplined'
Comment #204665 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 5, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Over on the Shariah thread many said that this was only private, like the Jewish courts, and there was no way it would spread, and had nothing to do with surrender, and it was never going to come into conflict with common law.
Well, here's a reason not to believe that. And I should like people to own up to it now. People like me were right - and it gives me no pleasure, none, to say that.
But I doubt that any acknowledgements will be forthcoming. For example, here's thewhitepearl's response:
I don't think this article is telling the complete story..I have a feeling that there is more to this.
15. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204410 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Just to add another doomsday scenarion, by twenty-fifteen in seven years time, Russia's army will be majority Muslim.
Welcome to the end of the world.
16. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204405 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 11:28 pm
"The majority of British Muslims want to live only under British law and they would reject anything that means they are treated differently.
"What Lord Phillips and the archbishop are discussing is something that is completely outside their area of understanding."
I wonder how Mahmood fits into Fanusi's global Islamic conspiracy?
So, Fanusi, are you intending to be a BNP supporter?
I still live in the Muslim Middle East and can see which stereotypes are true of the average Muslim and which are a bit over the top. I'd like to share my first-hand experience to allow us to collectively make an informed (as opposed to a "reactionary") decision on how to tackle this nightmare.
What Lord Phillips said was not a message of our weakness.
Please, not all liberals are politically-correct, multi-cultural hand-wringers. I'm a "liberal" and I *despise* this naïve, defective take on things.
17. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #204398 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 10:59 pm
I know I should resist, but there is something perversely enjoyable in being able to lower the guns to deck level and load them with grape.
LGS is a particularly vile specimen. Yes, Styrer, he is the same guy who routinely denigrates Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Those who sneer at greatness only reveal their own smallness.
Vin you may have noticed is trying to appear reasonable by playing the "I live in the Middle East so I know stuff card". Well, I could throw that one straight back, since the UK is now a hotbed of jihadism. And it would be a little more believable if he had not continually denied the slavery in the Sudan.
As a direct result, of course, he's scuttled off somewhere else
18. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204275 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 2:51 pm
First of all, Rachel Holmes, the absolute last thing we want is to send the Muslims yet another message of our weakness. Period.
And yes, if racist BNP types want to settle a dispute by asking the biggest thug among them to give his verdict, why not? The fact that Lord Phillips would never say this indicates how pointless and misguided his statement was, though
19. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204237 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Styrer, you said it.
There is no way to appease Islam. There is no way to do right by it. Don't even try. You're an Infidel, a kafir - something lower than an animal. Believing you can make nice to it is to be trapped like those Jews in Art Spiegelman's Maus who believe they can appease the Nazis. It's a terrible, tragic error.
But we're all jews now.
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UPDATE: I am not surprised that Vin is once again spreading nonsense and misinformation - and, if he really is a former Muslim, actually lying.
Shariah law can mean anything
20. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #204231 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Styrer it's a terrible thing to absorb. This is real 'forbidden knowledge', something that it is very difficult to live with. I mean that literally - there have been times I thought of killing myself to avoid the darkness ahead.
But if I'm going to die, I might as well do so fighting Islam.
As regards Vin, I have this feeling he might have some filial loyalty to Islam, and doesn't like facing the truth; hence his denial of slavery in the Sudan.
Bonne chance, Styrer, in the days ahead.
21. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #204185 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 10:21 am
I don't see it matters if the article is full of tired apologetics. That was not the point I was trying to make. It was that we have potential muslim allies. I do understand the points you are trying to make, but your sweeping generalisations may, I feel, do more harm than good.
22. Sharia law 'could have UK role'
Comment #204166 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 9:10 am
hungarianelephant and others: get real. Do you really think it will stop there? Do you think for even a second that they will not enforce the full horrors of hudud punishments? Hell, we already have the horrors of honor killings and the murders of dissdents and apostates, not to mention genital mutilation.
And so the slide towards Eurabia continues, with the enlightened progressives only interested in greasing that slide.
23. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #204086 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 5:40 am
Steve
Sorry, but you are sounding increasingly like a conspiracy theorist, dismissing anything that counters your views as irrelevant.
24. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #204057 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 4:36 am
Brian English noted, but this is nothing compared with what the Muslims want. I wouldn't be too sure about the education in faith destroying secular civilization. I had RE as a kid and I'm an atheist. Europe maintains state religions, and that's destroyed faith completely.
The point I was making is that hiding behind this sort of equivocation is nonsense.
25. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #204050 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 4:28 am
Alibi-Brown is a muslim.
hold my faith dear, and am wary of anti-religious bigots, but religions should not be allowed to dictate policy and politics, nor make ghettoes.
26. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #204045 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 4:16 am
Goldy I don't give a hoot what about precious Muslim feelings about how people react when Muslim words and actions are noticed. We have levels of antisemitic violence in Europe unmatched since the days of the Third Reich. In France Jewish children can't go to many schools for fear of harassment, beatings or worse, and there's a bunch of graffity of the likes of 'Send the Jews to the Gas Chambers'. And 30% of the Muslims in this country want a system of law every bit as tyrannical as those of the Reich.
So the hell with Muslim opinion, the hell with Muslim complaints, the hell with the whole damn lot of them. They've never done anything to oppose what their co-religionists routinely do to kafirs such as you and me worldwide. People don't trust them? Too goddamn bad. They've given us no rational reason to trust them. If they don't like Europe they are entitled to piss off to Arabia and take their damn Prophet and his book with them.
27. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203927 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 12:45 am
*dryly* Steve, I was being deeply sarcastic. The fact that I was citing IMAO was something of a clue.
As regards the question of why the article was posted here perhaps you can enlighten me? Maybe there is a burning interest in Dundee on RD net or just maybe this was seen as another opportunity to remind the followers how Islam is stupid/evil and therefore all religion is stupid/evil? You tell me....
28. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203732 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Yestreday a man in Jerusalem murdered three people while screaming 'Alahu Ackbar'. I notice alot less consternation about that then about the Daily Mail.
Steve Zara I respect you, which is why I added some facts that showed that this was not a bogus story.
On the other hand, I've had to deal with Akheiloios's like way too often. I am fed to the teeth with this cretinous idea that you can dismiss any criticism of Islam as just being the product of the 'right wing' (a term that has been broadened to include not such genuine wingnuts as myself but also Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders etc. Yep, we're all right-wingers).
And since I'm on the subject, I'm tired of such wishy washy publications as the Daily Mail being called right-wing insanity. Excuse me, but they're nothing of the sort. Now this is what I'm talking about:
"By Any Objective Measure, Islam Is For Losers"
http://www.imao.us/archives/006130.html/#comments
(kick 'em while they're down ah say".
29. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203694 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 11:26 am
This example, and the response here, also seems to be less and less about religion, and more about social tensions over the integration, or lack thereof, of immigrants, many of whom happen to be Muslim.
Basically muslimlady is making a valid point - are we overreacting to a bunch of muslim windbags who represent nobody but themselves.
30. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203645 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 9:44 am
Prankster here is a list of things that fuel Muslim extremism:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013525.php
Bottom line, don't even try to get on with this crowd. You can do no right by Islam. Don't even try. It's as futile as trying to get along with Communism or Nazism or Fascism.
31. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203642 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 9:40 am
The way this article looks is it makes all Muslims look bad
32. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203443 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 12:03 am
8teist
Religion the opiate of the credulous
33. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203439 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Philloph1978 a good way to understand the three monotheisms is to think of them in terms of human personifications. Judaism would be the quiet geek everyone hates and ends up succeeding ridiculously well. Christianity is a middle-aged guy who keeps switching between trying to pander to todays youth and complaining about 'kids these days'. And Islam? A big, drunken, beer-bellied lout, who's never had a job in his life, with tattoos crawling out of his sleeves, who responds to even the most cursory and involuntary glance with "WHAT'RE YOU LOOKIN' AT?"
34. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203436 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 11:29 pm
decius it's worth remembering that Vin over here still denies that there are slaves being taken in the Sudan, never mind what the international criminal court and Amnesty and so on have to say. He also said the West should mind it's own business about the Sudan, which it has done, so that the Janjaweed could finish off killing everyone.
This 'racist' smear, not to mention the smears of Jihad Watch cannot ever be substantiated, nor can they be supported. It's just a way to avoid the problem. A way of rationalizing moral cowardice.
Not all Muslims are wahabis
BTW, I'm not asking this as a challenge or trying to be insolent. I'm just genuinely curious as to where their thorough knowledge of islam comes from.
35. Obama Wants to Expand Role of Religious Groups
Comment #203253 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Is it wrong for me to enjoy seeing the expressions as people twig to what the Obamessiah really is? Not that it wasn't patently obvious right from the start.
"Obama - he will heal divisions by giving us the worst of both worlds!"
The religious insanity of the right combined with the cowardice and pusillaminousness of the left.
Whoopee. Now, for the record, there is an actual war going on. With Iran building nukes, Obama's election would be a catastrophe.
36. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203244 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 1:56 pm
*claws out*
?And anyway hasn't there been enough articles about muslims already? What more evidence do we need that their religion makes them do depraved things like the story of that teacher in Afghanistan whose limbs were pulled apart by being tied to motorcycles and whose crime was teaching to girls? There is lots more going on in this world and I'd certainly to read about it.
Al and Fanusi are usually spot on, if Fanusi is a bit too trigger happy with his incitement to violence and extreme measures, I can only assume it is because has a knowledge on Islam rivalled by few (one of the few being Al) and realises is potential (and actual) menace.
37. Obama Wants to Expand Role of Religious Groups
Comment #203122 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 11:39 am
"Aaaand - another one down, another one down, another one under the bus."
Geeez - for someone who's supposed to be post-racial, he's lost any inhibition about showing his true colours.
38. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat
Comment #203093 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 11:11 am
Cue the Muslim fake outrage machine, and our elites crawling on their bellies to apologise. Collection of dhimmis, the lot of them.
The regime change that's really necessary is in Europe.
39. It can be right to discriminate against the religious
Comment #202430 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 1, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Are there all these bigots out there saying, "I hate those Muslims ' but I love Sikhs?"
40. CFI-UN Hamid Karzai Letter
Comment #202134 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Usually I find myself in agreement with your necessarily forthright condemnation of Islam, but your above comment seems to go against your excellent '7 point plan' outlined on the McEwan thread, wherein you explicitly dismissed the 'military warfare' you are now defending and proposing here.
Anyway, think what your reaction would be, if massive Muslim armies attacked and occupied your country - would you say "Oh, I was wrong and you have shown me the light"? Doubt it, so why would you think Muslims would do so?
What, like Afghanistan? Somalia? Like the notice one sometimes sees in a shop - if you break it, you buy it. We have bought Afghanistan - we can't just leave it in the corner hoping it will fix itself. We need to spend big to get it going again. Germany had the Marshall plan - not sure what the Soviets spent in the east but I am assuming it was less than the West (US) spent in the west. Same with Japan.
41. CFI-UN Hamid Karzai Letter
Comment #201992 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 2:42 pm
I don't disagree with any of that. But the problem is you are left with little choice other than mass genocide, and I don't use that term with any negative connotation, but be aware that is what you are advocating.
42. Stephen Hawking's explosive new theory
Comment #201932 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 12:37 pm
With respect - how the hell would they prove this? I know and you know that a theory is only a theory if it has testable predictions.
43. CFI-UN Hamid Karzai Letter
Comment #201930 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 12:34 pm
al I was making apoint about the terrible power of Islam and the fanatacism that allows it to endure. If you want to defeat that kind of fanaticism, you need to utterly destroy the creed at it's root. Nothing else will stop this.
It is also a mistake to assume that we can, ever, do right by Islam. Not a chance, not now or ever. We're Infidels - they will never tolerate us.
After tearing out the Taliban, after supporting Afghanistan in all kinds of ways, after spending infidel lives to liberate it with the absolute minimum of casualties to the native populace - after all that, they still will not respect the most basic of human rights.
Either destroy Islam, or at the very minimum annihilate it's political ambitions, or don't be surprised if this comes boiling out.
Here's a very good article on the subject:
No Substitute For Victory
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-winter/no-substitute-for-victory.asp
44. CFI-UN Hamid Karzai Letter
Comment #201914 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 12:04 pm
And this is the great liberation of Afghanistan. This is the result of the cretinous idea that 'freedom is the desire God planted in every human heart.
Might be time for Plan B: turn Afghanistan into rubble, smash it down to it's foundations and extirpate this evil at the root.
It worked against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan (both theocracies).
Comment #201604 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 29, 2008 at 10:06 pm
I knew that two million Christians and animists had been killed, I just din't know what the proportions were. But this comment by Vin really takes the cake:
Bitter as it is, the country is struggling to keep the fragile peace between North and South so just do us a service and keep your nose out of our business.
Comment #201210 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 29, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Why does that scare you? Christianity has befriended Islam, let Christianity deal with the beast it helped create.
I've never heard a single apology from anyone of status in the Muslim world for the nearly 5000 servicemen and women who have died at the hands of the radicals of Islam.
47. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #200823 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 28, 2008 at 9:26 am
Holocaust denial is not necessarily racism
48. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #200307 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 27, 2008 at 9:33 am
advocatus you are now lying through your teeth. You said that there wasn't much to choose from between the glories of Western Civilization and Islamic barbarism. That is what you said. Period.
49. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #200271 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 27, 2008 at 8:18 am
Your comparison is so completely ridiculous, it is making it hard to take you seriously
50. God hates Mars
Comment #200243 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 27, 2008 at 6:39 am
I appreciated this post. It's easy to forget just how insane some of the Christian perspective is.