1. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #205527 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 7, 2008 at 12:15 pm

No, I think I'll wait until you've answered a few of the points I've left for you on previous threads instead of waltzing off to new ones and re-asserting your same old religiously unshakeable position.

What points? I have answered every one of your points.

Do you mean when I discussed the fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam? I've said my piece, and you still haven't refuted that. But even if you had, you still have not answered one of my points about Islam, despite the torrents of evidence that pour in on the news every day.

2. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #205084 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 2:05 pm

On the subject of things that rile Muslim sensibilities, apparently Barack Obama's website does the same thing:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021641.php#comments

3. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #205083 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 2:01 pm

*nods* Thanks, Steve, I mean it.

If you can prove me wrong - on any of these issues or on any aspect of these issues - I'd be intensely grateful.

Thinking in terms of mass deportation, or the horrific alternatives, or of what may - what will - happen if CBN terrorism is used against the West, always feels unreal, like I'm trapped in some horror movie.

4. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #205073 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 1:22 pm

Steve I appreciate your comments on shariah financing.

Yet what I am referring to is the advocates of Shariah law to be law of the land, or even parts of it. Bonzai is right in describing it as a Total System. It's an integral part of Islam.

No interpretation of Shariah can ever override the Hadith, much less the Qur'an. This is why not one of the schools of jurisprudence rejects the death penalty for apostasy. Nor does any of them reject the murder for those who blaspheme against Islam.

Yes, of course, many Muslims don't know what it is they are advocating. At least, I don't think they do. That doesn't change the nature of the advocacy though. Even if they do not know it, they are, in fact and in reality, supporting murder.

5. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #205037 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 12:22 pm

I assumed we were discussing changing people's ideas, not defending yourself from actual physical attack.

We rightly charge someone who has incited murder with murder. You know my views on the deportation of Shariah supporters, because what they will bring to the civilised world otherwise.

I appreciate the point you are making, and the line can sometimes seem difficult to draw. Yet support for Shariah, by definition, is incitement to murder, rape, paedophilia etc.

6. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #205015 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 11:56 am

If Jihad Watch is something we should read, get it linked to from here - submit an article.

How do I submit an article again? Sorry, didn't know that was possible. Tell me, and I'll get right on it.

You can only use reason. There is no other choice.

I don't see why. If a maniac breaks into your house at three in the morning, you don't waste time jawing with them, you call the police. Similarly with murderers, thieves and other riff-raff. Force is the only thing that works against them.

7. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204989 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 11:23 am

In fairness, if Lord Phillips had tried explaining cross-jurisdictional rules, he'd still be there now and most of the audience would have died of bordeom.

Which is a problem in and of itself. If you look at the great lawgivers throughout history, right back to Hammurabi, you see a clean directness that we would do well to emulate. It is a very small step from incomprehensible law to non-objective law.

8. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204965 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 10:12 am

There are serious issues to be discussed here, but I don't think it is helpful to pick up on individual stories and try and generalize from them.

Steve may I make a suggestion? If you go over to Jihad Watch and read the archives for a while, especially on the subject of creeping Shariah. This isn't 'just a few stories' it's something alot more sinister.

People need to be persuaded that their ideas are silly in a civilized way.

What if they can't be? We are talking about people willing to kill their own children for offenses against honour, or apostasy, and those that flat out say they don't want freedom of speach. How the blazes do you persuade people for whom reason isn't a value?

9. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204929 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 8:05 am

Rachel thanks for giving me the speech. It is a masterpiece of evasions, fog, and blur. Take this:

It was not very radical [of the Archbishop of Canterbury] to advocate embracing Sharia Law in the context of family disputes, for example, and our system already goes a long way towards accommodating the Archbishop's suggestion.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing, that we are already 'a long way'? No answer. What family disputes? Forced marriages? Honour killings? Apostasy? Or do they mean ones like divorce - where the wife has no rights to it, but the husband can gain a divorce by saying it three times.

It is possible in this country for those who are entering into a contractual agreement to agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.

Which 'those'? Jewish courts? But do they specify anything contrary too English law? If not, then how are they not governed by it? No answer.

is no reason why principles of Sharia Law, or any other religious code should not be the basis for mediation or other forms of alternative dispute resolution. It must be recognised, however, that any sanctions for a failure to comply with the agreed terms of the mediation would be drawn from the laws of England and Wales.

If that's so, why do we need these laws in the first place? What mediations are you talking about - lashes for alcohol, for example? If common law is supposed to override this, then why do we need it in the first place?

Anway, anyone else want to take a shot at this monstrosity?

10. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204897 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 5:39 am

My point was that *Phillips* should be more careful in the use of *his* language; if all he was advocating is that which Rachel Holmes and Eric Blair summarise.

Okay, thanks for clearing it up. However, I just think that Rachel Holmes and Eric Blair are absolutely wrong. This means what it says: the beginnings of Shariah law.

He shouldn't be ashamed because of his language - in fact, I am glad he phrased it clearely, not in some weasel way like "taking into account the diversity and pluralism of our modern day society, it is my view that there should be legal alternatives to our current institutions for those who do not share the traditions on which they are based, but come from other, equally valid, traditions". At least he's being honest.

What he should be ashamed of is suggesting this at all.

11. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204883 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 6, 2008 at 4:26 am

The use of language is very important in all of this.

Agreed.

The use of language is very important in all of this. The term "Sharia" comes with a lot of baggage and stigma attached. If you strip away the misogyny, homophobia and use of violence contained within the Sharia, you are left with a skeleton that bears little resemblance to what you started with. Therefore, as with other terms that come with baggage - such as "coloureds" when referring to a race of people with dark skin - the term should be avoided at all costs.

Wait a second - this discussion is about the introduction of Shariah law, and we can't use the term Shariah? By what standard does that make sense?

This is about the use of Shariah - in whatever format - amongst Muslim populations. Yes, it's an unpleasant term, but that is because Shariah is an unpleasant thing. Because some knuckledraggers will 'use this wrongly' or whatever, we should avoid clarity and accuracy?

I am reminded of how superstition ridden people in the Middle Ages wouldn't name the Devil, for fear that he would appear. Seriously - do you think that if we do not discuss this, it will dissapear?

I find myself baffled.

12. Prayer refusal pupils 'disciplined'

Comment #204848 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 5, 2008 at 11:26 pm

Fanusi,

You just like to pick on me don't you?

Actually not. You just had a very distinctive profile pic and as a result I saw your comment on this before anyone else's. Which was that this isn't exactly what it looks like: our dhimmicrat overlords crawling before Islam

No, I don't have it in for you in particular, thewhitepearl. But since you ask, could you explain something to me, something Mark Steyn brought up originally: Why is is that right wingers such as myself are the ones who keep speaking up about this issue? I'm a 'social conservative'. When the Mullahs take over I'll grow my beard out, get a couple of wives, and keep my head down. It's the gays and the feminists who'll have a rougher time of it.

I don't that it is at all fair to say that saying the Islamic religion is bad, is equivolent to saying all Muslims are therefore bad.

Well, I'm the official loudmouth Islamophobe extrodenair on this forum and I don't say that. The trouble is that enough believe in some really nasty stuff, and most of the rest are unable to oppose it because of their religious solidarity. And even those who do want to stop it are completely ineffectual, becuase the Jihadis and the Shariah lovers have the whole of the Islamic canon on their side. So the division between Muslims is roughly those who support Jihad and Shariah, those who do nothing to stop those, and those who are completely ineffectual in doing anything.

13. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204842 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm

Why am I not surprised that there is no level of dishonesty Vin isn't capable of?

C'mon, not even Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a victim of the nastiest and darkest side of the form of Islam that raises eyebrows even in "Khartoum", never resorted to using such language. Why should you? If you're THAT concerned then I'd rather not know about it !!

You know damn well that that comment has nothing to do with what I want to see, but what I think we will see, if we have CBN terrorism here in the West. It's similar to my points about parties like the BNP: they are on the rise because of Islam.

I believe Sam Harris made a similar point in The End of Faith.

As regards your comments about Khartoum, this is the first point where you are changing the subject like that. You never were able to answer a single one of the sources I cited, nor are you able to answer them now. I think this says it all.

I think he has as much to learn from insiders as he has from those alien to the culture and dependent on biased journalism to nourish their intellect.

What, you mean insiders like Ibn Warraq? Ali Sina? Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Wafa Sultan? Walid Shoebat? Let me guess: they don't count (though they all seem to know a great deal more than you).

At least some of us know the language or have spent some time there

You know, sixty or so years ago, there were many Germans who had 'spent some time' in Germany, and 'knew the language', and were shocked, shocked I say!, to find out what was going on at Buchenwald and Auschwitz. So don't try to play that card. Your record of dishonesty is too long. Remember when you held up the Ninth Sura as an example of Qur'anic tolerance?



*reloads*

The raw power of ideas -- yes, because ideas exist independently of ideators and control people's actions without reference to their circumstances.

NakedCelt are you really that much of a fool? Ideas do, in fact spread, and once they have begun to spread, it is only a matter of time before pople act upon them. There is no need for a 'conspiracy', there is just the spread of those ideas by all sorts of means.

And, gee, are the ideas and tenets of Islam being aggressively spread by all sorts of means? Yes, in fact, they are.

And finally, NC, would it kill you to read my previous criticisms of this Khalid chappy? Or my point that our politicos are so gutless that they surrender even when it isn't necessary?

Rachel Holmes,

Last year, Parliament also passed a law to protect young women from forced marriage. It's not that one-sided.

Thanks for this; I appreciate it. However, I can't shake the feeling that this is not going to be enforced. Honour killing has always been illegal and a blind eye has very much been turned to avoid dealing with the problem.

14. Prayer refusal pupils 'disciplined'

Comment #204665 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 5, 2008 at 1:16 pm

Over on the Shariah thread many said that this was only private, like the Jewish courts, and there was no way it would spread, and had nothing to do with surrender, and it was never going to come into conflict with common law.

Well, here's a reason not to believe that. And I should like people to own up to it now. People like me were right - and it gives me no pleasure, none, to say that.

But I doubt that any acknowledgements will be forthcoming. For example, here's thewhitepearl's response:

I don't think this article is telling the complete story..I have a feeling that there is more to this.

15. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204410 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 11:53 pm

Just to add another doomsday scenarion, by twenty-fifteen in seven years time, Russia's army will be majority Muslim.

Welcome to the end of the world.

16. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204405 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 11:28 pm

"The majority of British Muslims want to live only under British law and they would reject anything that means they are treated differently.

"What Lord Phillips and the archbishop are discussing is something that is completely outside their area of understanding."

Of course, NC. There is something going one where Europes politicos and media busybodies have some sort of perverse competition to see who can be Islam's lead prison bitch.

And this is leading them to make concessions even when there is no reason to do so.

I wonder how Mahmood fits into Fanusi's global Islamic conspiracy?

Okay, when exactly did I use the phrase conspiracy? That isn't what this is about at all. People who believe in conspiracies do so because they don't understand the raw power of ideas.

If you honestly think that a small group of radicals cannot cause massive damage, then you have learned nothing from the blood soaked history of the twentieth century.

Steve

So, Fanusi, are you intending to be a BNP supporter?

No. I am not about to support a party that has Nazi antecedents.

But that doesn't mean it won't rise anyway. I've been pointing out for a long time that the choices in Europe are bad and unthinkable.

Vin

I still live in the Muslim Middle East and can see which stereotypes are true of the average Muslim and which are a bit over the top. I'd like to share my first-hand experience to allow us to collectively make an informed (as opposed to a "reactionary") decision on how to tackle this nightmare.

Ah, you mean how informed you were about slavery in the Sudan? Informed like that?

I guess if 'reactionary' means a concern for human rights, then I am reactionary.

BTW, I can back up my points with a stack of research that Certain People have never been able to refute.

Rachel Homes

What Lord Phillips said was not a message of our weakness.

You may think so, but how do you think it's seen in the mosques of London? Everytime the Muslims cause serious trouble, we fold. We folded during the Rushdie affair, we folded over the cartoons - Europe seems hell bent on surrendering, so is it

Please, not all liberals are politically-correct, multi-cultural hand-wringers. I'm a "liberal" and I *despise* this naïve, defective take on things.

Of course not, but it must be obvious that liberals like you and Sam Harris are the minority. By and large, liberals hold the views that are the problem.

17. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204398 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 10:59 pm

I know I should resist, but there is something perversely enjoyable in being able to lower the guns to deck level and load them with grape.

LGS is a particularly vile specimen. Yes, Styrer, he is the same guy who routinely denigrates Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Those who sneer at greatness only reveal their own smallness.

Vin you may have noticed is trying to appear reasonable by playing the "I live in the Middle East so I know stuff card". Well, I could throw that one straight back, since the UK is now a hotbed of jihadism. And it would be a little more believable if he had not continually denied the slavery in the Sudan.

As a direct result, of course, he's scuttled off somewhere else

18. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204275 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 2:51 pm

First of all, Rachel Holmes, the absolute last thing we want is to send the Muslims yet another message of our weakness. Period.

And yes, if racist BNP types want to settle a dispute by asking the biggest thug among them to give his verdict, why not? The fact that Lord Phillips would never say this indicates how pointless and misguided his statement was, though

Okay, let's talk BNP. If this goes on, who do you think people will turn to? A point that was made rather well in the Spectator:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/811021/whoops-someones-goosestep-is-showing.thtml

Currently the political choice is the BNP or Shariah for all of us. there's still a chance to get another choice, but that chance keeps diminishing.

19. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204237 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 1:14 pm

Styrer, you said it.

There is no way to appease Islam. There is no way to do right by it. Don't even try. You're an Infidel, a kafir - something lower than an animal. Believing you can make nice to it is to be trapped like those Jews in Art Spiegelman's Maus who believe they can appease the Nazis. It's a terrible, tragic error.

But we're all jews now.

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UPDATE: I am not surprised that Vin is once again spreading nonsense and misinformation - and, if he really is a former Muslim, actually lying.

Shariah law can mean anything

No, it cannot. No school of Shariah overrides the Qur'an or Hadith. No school recognises Infidels as equal to Muslims. And no school demands anything other than death for apostasy.

This is the reason for my fury at the likes of Vin. Spreading this kind of disinformation and deceit is terribly dangerous.

Sorry, Vin, but some of us proud kafirs are capable of actually reading for ourselves what Islam teaches, and what the Shariah means.

20. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204231 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Styrer it's a terrible thing to absorb. This is real 'forbidden knowledge', something that it is very difficult to live with. I mean that literally - there have been times I thought of killing myself to avoid the darkness ahead.

But if I'm going to die, I might as well do so fighting Islam.

As regards Vin, I have this feeling he might have some filial loyalty to Islam, and doesn't like facing the truth; hence his denial of slavery in the Sudan.

Bonne chance, Styrer, in the days ahead.

21. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204185 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 10:21 am

I don't see it matters if the article is full of tired apologetics. That was not the point I was trying to make. It was that we have potential muslim allies. I do understand the points you are trying to make, but your sweeping generalisations may, I feel, do more harm than good.

Steve Zara you may have a point. I think we have Muslim allies in this struggle, especially amongst the non-Arab muslims who have suffered so terribly at the hands of the Arab imperialism inherent in Islam.

I just don't think that we have many - or even any - allies in those populations we have in the West, since those populations themselves are the problem, what is pushing some of the oldest nations in history to extinction.

Now the reason I get irritated by such asinine apologetics is that they help confuse the picture when clarity is needed most of all. And the reason I get furious at the likes of muslimlady and the rest is that we have been nice to them for far too long. If this nonsense had been stopped at the start we'd all be alot safer, and I have no patience - none - for those apologists, sympathists, cowards and moral cretins who keep acting as the Jihad's footsoldiers, consciously or not.

Which brings me to the subject of Vin. You'd think this guy would get it, wouldn't you? You would think he would learn that whenever he asserts something, I blast it out of the water in five minutes. But no, he keeps having to go back into the water.

*cue the music as the great beast rises towards the helpless dimwit*

I happen to know that study that Vin cites. It says that only seven percent of Muslims, absolutely, and without question, support the 9/11 attacks. Relax people! Only 91 million supporters of the Jihad!

Now, let's leave aside that this is far more than Hitler was able to count on. Consider how that poll is actually structured. It asked: Do you support the 9/11 attacks, with 1 being totally against, and 5 being totally for. Now, originally Esposito was going to count 4 and 5s together. Then it transpired - surprise surprise - that these numbers were even higher than such notorious Islamophobes as Daniel Pipes had estimated, namely that there were as many 4s as 5s: i.e. a total of one hundred and eighty two million supporters of those attacks. And top that figure up with another three hundred million who thought the attacks were in some way justified.

So, Vin, four hundred and eighty two million who in someway support the 9/11 attacks. Tell me, are you ever going to learn your lesson and quit wading into the water? Or am I going to make you fetch sticks until the end of time?


You can see a full review of that poll here:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/066chpzg.asp?pg=1

*its attack completed, the beast returns to the abyssal depths until the next unwary interloper*

22. Sharia law 'could have UK role'

Comment #204166 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 9:10 am

hungarianelephant and others: get real. Do you really think it will stop there? Do you think for even a second that they will not enforce the full horrors of hudud punishments? Hell, we already have the horrors of honor killings and the murders of dissdents and apostates, not to mention genital mutilation.

And so the slide towards Eurabia continues, with the enlightened progressives only interested in greasing that slide.

23. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204086 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 5:40 am

Steve

Sorry, but you are sounding increasingly like a conspiracy theorist, dismissing anything that counters your views as irrelevant.

I appreciate that, But how does that article counter my views? Notice it says nothing about the oppression of non-Muslims at the hands of Islam. And it is loaded with the most fatuous apologetics that I am tired of. It's just so much white noise in terms of analysis and prescription.

24. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204057 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 4:36 am

Brian English noted, but this is nothing compared with what the Muslims want. I wouldn't be too sure about the education in faith destroying secular civilization. I had RE as a kid and I'm an atheist. Europe maintains state religions, and that's destroyed faith completely.

The point I was making is that hiding behind this sort of equivocation is nonsense.

25. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204050 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 4:28 am

Alibi-Brown is a muslim.

I noticed. Blah-blah-blah. Does this person ever mention that the root of these problems is Islam? And where exactly are these Christians, Jews, and Hindus who want to demolish the secular state?

No. This is one more bit of obscuritanism. Another long-winded apology by someone who can't face up to the truth.

hold my faith dear, and am wary of anti-religious bigots, but religions should not be allowed to dictate policy and politics, nor make ghettoes.

Fine. Hold it dear. And here's the price: no freedom of speech, no freedom of conscience, no rights for women, no human rights, no progress, no art, no music, nothing but an endless stagnation. Got a problem with that? Take it up with your Prophet and his book, and quit trying to blame 'anti-religious bigots' or 'the extremists of all religions' or any other of this fatuous nonsense.

26. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204045 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 4:16 am

Goldy I don't give a hoot what about precious Muslim feelings about how people react when Muslim words and actions are noticed. We have levels of antisemitic violence in Europe unmatched since the days of the Third Reich. In France Jewish children can't go to many schools for fear of harassment, beatings or worse, and there's a bunch of graffity of the likes of 'Send the Jews to the Gas Chambers'. And 30% of the Muslims in this country want a system of law every bit as tyrannical as those of the Reich.

So the hell with Muslim opinion, the hell with Muslim complaints, the hell with the whole damn lot of them. They've never done anything to oppose what their co-religionists routinely do to kafirs such as you and me worldwide. People don't trust them? Too goddamn bad. They've given us no rational reason to trust them. If they don't like Europe they are entitled to piss off to Arabia and take their damn Prophet and his book with them.

27. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203927 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 4, 2008 at 12:45 am

*dryly* Steve, I was being deeply sarcastic. The fact that I was citing IMAO was something of a clue.

As regards the question of why the article was posted here perhaps you can enlighten me? Maybe there is a burning interest in Dundee on RD net or just maybe this was seen as another opportunity to remind the followers how Islam is stupid/evil and therefore all religion is stupid/evil? You tell me....

Perhaps it is because there are many who still do not get how large and how terrible this problem is. And until we get a critical mass of Infidels educated about Islam, about what it is, what it teaches, what it's effects are, civilization will remain in terrible danger.

Got that? That is what this is about. Nothing more, nothing less.

28. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203732 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 1:02 pm

Yestreday a man in Jerusalem murdered three people while screaming 'Alahu Ackbar'. I notice alot less consternation about that then about the Daily Mail.

Steve Zara I respect you, which is why I added some facts that showed that this was not a bogus story.

On the other hand, I've had to deal with Akheiloios's like way too often. I am fed to the teeth with this cretinous idea that you can dismiss any criticism of Islam as just being the product of the 'right wing' (a term that has been broadened to include not such genuine wingnuts as myself but also Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders etc. Yep, we're all right-wingers).

And since I'm on the subject, I'm tired of such wishy washy publications as the Daily Mail being called right-wing insanity. Excuse me, but they're nothing of the sort. Now this is what I'm talking about:

"By Any Objective Measure, Islam Is For Losers"
http://www.imao.us/archives/006130.html/#comments

(kick 'em while they're down ah say".

29. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203694 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 11:26 am

This example, and the response here, also seems to be less and less about religion, and more about social tensions over the integration, or lack thereof, of immigrants, many of whom happen to be Muslim.

This is like saying, the mass death during the dark ages has less and less to do with the plague, and more and more to do with deaths at the hands of a disease that just happens to be Yersina pestis. You can't drop the essential fact from this equation.

Which is also the problem with this comment:

Basically muslimlady is making a valid point - are we overreacting to a bunch of muslim windbags who represent nobody but themselves.

That might, possibly, be right if this happened in a vacuum. But it isn't. I am fed to the teeth with the entitlement mentality of Muslims, this asinine belief that they have a right to get what they want with no concern for the cost to others, that everyone should accomodate them, and never do they ever seem to ask themselves what they have done in return.

I have had it up to here with the Muslim attitude towards kafirs.

Akheilios do you feel all nice and morally superior about being able to condemn the Daily Mail? Does that feel good?

But I get the feeling that you aren't going to say a peep about the next Muslim crime (just wait five minutes), or do anything about the endless list of horrors committed by Islam. I get to recognise a certain type.

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Prankster better believe this is growing. Just read thereligionofpeace.com

The thing is that I used to be sanguine about Islam. Just one religion among many, I thought. No big deal, I thought.

Then I learned about it. Then I studied the Islamic jihadists, what they said, and how it was justified and demanded by the fundamentals of Islam. I learned about little Aisha, about the Ninth Sura. I learned about what the Muslims did in India. I read Ibn Warraw, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Robert Spencer.

30. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203645 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 9:44 am

Prankster here is a list of things that fuel Muslim extremism:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013525.php

Bottom line, don't even try to get on with this crowd. You can do no right by Islam. Don't even try. It's as futile as trying to get along with Communism or Nazism or Fascism.

31. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203642 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 9:40 am

The way this article looks is it makes all Muslims look bad

Oh, no, muslimlady it is Muslims who are making all Muslims look bad. With their eleven thousand plus deadly terror attacks since 9/11, with their huge support for those attacks, with the denial of basic rights to women, their fourteen hundred year history of genocide and aggression, with their sanctioning of rape, murder, theft, paedohilia and deceit, with their abject mental stagnation that they seek to impose on the world, with their racism, with their arrogance, their petulance, their bullying, their whining, their basic failure to operate except in one of two modes: useless thug and spoiled brat.

Get it? Some of us have had it up to here with your damn religion.

I believe that someone already made this point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5-wgtoqFrk

Goldy on the subject of taxes, Muslims are disproportionately highly represented on the welfare rolls (as they are in other areas such as criminality, drug dealing etc.) for the simple reason that they see it as their due Jizyah.

Anyway, returning to your point that "Islam is only a religion" - no, no it isn't. Islam is way more than a religion the way we understand it. It's a Total System of Life, a regulatory framework that crawls into every nook and cranny of your life and privacy. It's totalitarian right to the root.

32. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203443 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 3, 2008 at 12:03 am

8teist

Religion the opiate of the credulous

I prefer,

"If religion is the opiate of the masses, Islam is the crack!"

33. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203439 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 11:48 pm

Philloph1978 a good way to understand the three monotheisms is to think of them in terms of human personifications. Judaism would be the quiet geek everyone hates and ends up succeeding ridiculously well. Christianity is a middle-aged guy who keeps switching between trying to pander to todays youth and complaining about 'kids these days'. And Islam? A big, drunken, beer-bellied lout, who's never had a job in his life, with tattoos crawling out of his sleeves, who responds to even the most cursory and involuntary glance with "WHAT'RE YOU LOOKIN' AT?"

34. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203436 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 11:29 pm

decius it's worth remembering that Vin over here still denies that there are slaves being taken in the Sudan, never mind what the international criminal court and Amnesty and so on have to say. He also said the West should mind it's own business about the Sudan, which it has done, so that the Janjaweed could finish off killing everyone.

This 'racist' smear, not to mention the smears of Jihad Watch cannot ever be substantiated, nor can they be supported. It's just a way to avoid the problem. A way of rationalizing moral cowardice.

Not all Muslims are wahabis

True, Goldy but the problem isn't the Wahabis - it's Islam itself. Mainstream, orthodox Islam is an abomination.

As regards Islamic art, come on. If you look at that google image search, you find a couple of mosques, some arab writing, and, surprise surprise, a bunch of guys with rocket launchers.

Islam really hasn't produced anything new or original. The Mosque design they are so proud of is just copied from Byzantine cathedrals. "Arabic numerals" and the Zero originated in India.

Meanwhile Islam has been strangling the minds of over a billion people, destroying the classical heritage of Persia and Afghanistan, and generally trying to drag ever people back to the seventh century. The sooner this evil is eradicated, the better.

BTW, I'm not asking this as a challenge or trying to be insolent. I'm just genuinely curious as to where their thorough knowledge of islam comes from.

RamziD I can't speak for al, but mine comes from reading about Islam for the last three years (and pretty much exhausting the subject, which should tell you everything you need to know about the intellectual content of it - oh sure, there is this and that minutae, but the broad strokes of this fascist doctrine is easily glossed).

If you want to find out for yourself, just start with what I did: Read sites like jihadwatch.org, thereligionofpeace.com, faithfreedom.org. Check out Ibn Warraq's essay 'Islam, the Middle East and Fascism'. You can also try reading the Muslim apologetics, which I did at the start, the various 'reform' movements, like Irshad Manji, reform muslims, and so on. You'll very quickly find that there's no there there.

Seriously. It's not hard to find out this stuff. Read it for yourself.

35. Obama Wants to Expand Role of Religious Groups

Comment #203253 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 2:05 pm

Is it wrong for me to enjoy seeing the expressions as people twig to what the Obamessiah really is? Not that it wasn't patently obvious right from the start.

"Obama - he will heal divisions by giving us the worst of both worlds!"

The religious insanity of the right combined with the cowardice and pusillaminousness of the left.

Whoopee. Now, for the record, there is an actual war going on. With Iran building nukes, Obama's election would be a catastrophe.

36. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203244 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 1:56 pm

*claws out*

?And anyway hasn't there been enough articles about muslims already? What more evidence do we need that their religion makes them do depraved things like the story of that teacher in Afghanistan whose limbs were pulled apart by being tied to motorcycles and whose crime was teaching to girls? There is lots more going on in this world and I'd certainly to read about it.

We need more, MANY more like this, until everyone begins to understand what Islam is and what the threat from it is.

If it were another article about some evangelical neanderthal, would you object? I doubt it. Let's see, why might that be? Hmmm... could it be because opposing Islam involves a modicum of risk? Requires knowledge of actual morality, not just vain posturing? Am I getting warm, Jiten.

And that item was verified when even a Muslim community leader of Scotland said that people getting irritated by this was ridiculous.

Al and Fanusi are usually spot on, if Fanusi is a bit too trigger happy with his incitement to violence and extreme measures, I can only assume it is because has a knowledge on Islam rivalled by few (one of the few being Al) and realises is potential (and actual) menace.

Thanks Thoughts. Though it's not hard to find out: start with reading Jihad Watch and continue from there.

37. Obama Wants to Expand Role of Religious Groups

Comment #203122 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 11:39 am

"Aaaand - another one down, another one down, another one under the bus."

Geeez - for someone who's supposed to be post-racial, he's lost any inhibition about showing his true colours.

38. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203093 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2008 at 11:11 am

Cue the Muslim fake outrage machine, and our elites crawling on their bellies to apologise. Collection of dhimmis, the lot of them.

The regime change that's really necessary is in Europe.

39. It can be right to discriminate against the religious

Comment #202430 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 1, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Are there all these bigots out there saying, "I hate those Muslims ' but I love Sikhs?"

As a matter of fact, yes, yes there are. Even the racist BNP is trying to make nice with the Hindus and Sikhs.

Also, those decent politicians who get it about Islam - Pim Forturn, Geert Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali - have no problems with any other immigrant group, probably because no other immigrant group wants them dead.

It's nice to see people, albeit slowly, get it. It isn't nice to see them feeling forced to dress it up in all this nonsense.

40. CFI-UN Hamid Karzai Letter

Comment #202134 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 11:46 pm

Usually I find myself in agreement with your necessarily forthright condemnation of Islam, but your above comment seems to go against your excellent '7 point plan' outlined on the McEwan thread, wherein you explicitly dismissed the 'military warfare' you are now defending and proposing here.

Styrer you are partly right - I sometimes have trouble controlling my ire. Why do you think I'm so active on right-wing blogs?

But the point isn't a contradiction. I still advocate the points I outline. And one of my reasons for supporting that program, instead of the neoconservative one, is that, in order to sort out Muslim states militarily, that is what would be necessary.

We have neither the resources nor the political will to do that.

So the sad conclusion is that there is no real way to sort out places like Afghanistan. My own advocacy of cultural imperialism will work best against those who have a long, non-Islamic history and culture, as well as those that have suffered hideously under the Arab supremacism of Islam. That's why Iran is such an excellent target. The Kurds too, as well as the North African Berbers.

I'd include the blacks of the Sudan except for the minor fact that, people like Vin were listened to, and his countrymen have now killed them all. It's too late there. They're all dead. So, Vin, out of the two of us, one is an enabler of genocide, and it isn't me.

Back to the point of Cultural Imperialism: it will be a very long, very slow process. Short of something much nastier, it will take decades to complete.

Anyway, think what your reaction would be, if massive Muslim armies attacked and occupied your country - would you say "Oh, I was wrong and you have shown me the light"? Doubt it, so why would you think Muslims would do so?

Of course not. But if you ask if 'massive American armies attacked and occupied...' I would say, yes, yes indeed, they have shown us the light. Because that is actually what happened with my country. I don't hold a grudge over the mass bombing of civilian centers, or the incineration of Dresden, or the torpedoing of civilian red-cross ships. I really don't, because I know what that spared us. That's war.

My point, to repeat, is that people are just underestimating what it would take to break this evil by military means.

So, the best possible option at the moment seems to be ensuring that Afghanistan doesn't house yet another centre of gangsterism: destroy any terrorist camps and anything used to support them.

What, like Afghanistan? Somalia? Like the notice one sometimes sees in a shop - if you break it, you buy it. We have bought Afghanistan - we can't just leave it in the corner hoping it will fix itself. We need to spend big to get it going again. Germany had the Marshall plan - not sure what the Soviets spent in the east but I am assuming it was less than the West (US) spent in the west. Same with Japan.

You already know which parallels I have cited. But have we the resources? At this point we need to knuckle down and seal ourselves off against the Muslim world. This war isn't going to be over by the end of my lifetime, nor yours. Do we have the resources for such an undertaking - the material, political, and ethical resources?

41. CFI-UN Hamid Karzai Letter

Comment #201992 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 2:42 pm

I don't disagree with any of that. But the problem is you are left with little choice other than mass genocide, and I don't use that term with any negative connotation, but be aware that is what you are advocating.

Not really. The utter destruction of Japan and Germany and the extirpation of the evil of those societies did not involve the annihilation of the entire race or people inhabiting that area. And a damn good thing too, given the treasures of Japanese art and of German literature. That would have been horrific beyond imagining.

Similarly, I am convinced that there are ways to break the terrible hold of Islam on the people, even in Islamic states.

However, while this does not entail genocide, it also doesn't entail this infernal 'softly, softly' approach. The state needs to be utterly broken destroyed to the point that the people realise that they are defeated beyond question. There can't be a situation, like in Weimar Germany, where they can say 'we were betrayed'. Nor can there be any hesistation in saying their defeat was just. The peaceniks have completely abolished any hope of that latter point; if this crowd had been around in the Second World War we'd be fighting Nazi insurgents and Imperial remnants to this day.

42. Stephen Hawking's explosive new theory

Comment #201932 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 12:37 pm

With respect - how the hell would they prove this? I know and you know that a theory is only a theory if it has testable predictions.

43. CFI-UN Hamid Karzai Letter

Comment #201930 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 12:34 pm

al I was making apoint about the terrible power of Islam and the fanatacism that allows it to endure. If you want to defeat that kind of fanaticism, you need to utterly destroy the creed at it's root. Nothing else will stop this.

It is also a mistake to assume that we can, ever, do right by Islam. Not a chance, not now or ever. We're Infidels - they will never tolerate us.

After tearing out the Taliban, after supporting Afghanistan in all kinds of ways, after spending infidel lives to liberate it with the absolute minimum of casualties to the native populace - after all that, they still will not respect the most basic of human rights.

Either destroy Islam, or at the very minimum annihilate it's political ambitions, or don't be surprised if this comes boiling out.

Here's a very good article on the subject:

No Substitute For Victory
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-winter/no-substitute-for-victory.asp

44. CFI-UN Hamid Karzai Letter

Comment #201914 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 30, 2008 at 12:04 pm

And this is the great liberation of Afghanistan. This is the result of the cretinous idea that 'freedom is the desire God planted in every human heart.

Might be time for Plan B: turn Afghanistan into rubble, smash it down to it's foundations and extirpate this evil at the root.

It worked against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan (both theocracies).

45. Evangelical grunts

Comment #201604 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 29, 2008 at 10:06 pm

I knew that two million Christians and animists had been killed, I just din't know what the proportions were. But this comment by Vin really takes the cake:

Bitter as it is, the country is struggling to keep the fragile peace between North and South so just do us a service and keep your nose out of our business.

After what has been going on in the Sudan and Darfur, he has the nerve to say this? About sixty-seventy years ago, there were people who said similar things in my own Fatherland; I've always wondered what kind of minds they must have had - and today I know.

But don't worry Vin. This time the US decided to let you mind your own business, and do it the UN way, and send inspectors, and hold negotiations, and give you all the time in the world - and you know what? It's too late. They've all been killed.

So I hope that every UN fetishist, every fool like Vin, every single member of the 'peace' racket, every person who has done their damndest to deligitimize the only power in the world capable of stopping such monsters and to get them to bow to groups like the United Nations - I want every one of these to realise what they have sanctioned, and what they have allowed.

So, congratulations, Vin, you've been left to your own business, and we see what that's done.

46. Evangelical grunts

Comment #201210 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 29, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Why does that scare you? Christianity has befriended Islam, let Christianity deal with the beast it helped create.

TeraBrat excuse my frankness, but have you taken leave of your senses? Do you really imagine that we would escaped unscathed? Do you really think that Islam only has it in for Christians?

Sweetie, I have news for you. We're all in this. Like it or not, in a war like this, we're all involvde.

And can you really say that you don't care about the, what, million, million and a half Christians murdered in the Sudan? Or the persecuted Christians in Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq?

On this point, all kafirs and Infidels have to stand together. Period.

I've never heard a single apology from anyone of status in the Muslim world for the nearly 5000 servicemen and women who have died at the hands of the radicals of Islam.

Christopher, you said it. We're also not going to hear any apology from this lot.

Get home safely and send alot of those jihadi bastards to oblivion in small pieces.

47. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #200823 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 28, 2008 at 9:26 am

Holocaust denial is not necessarily racism

Technically true. Travelling India I met a nice young lady who had never been taught anything about the Holocaust. She wasn't being antisemitic, but I have my views about her teachers (especially since we were often advised to haggle, but haggle honourably "not like jews").

However, Holocaust denial in the West, where the knowledge of the Endloesung is common, is a little different. Technically, you could not be anti-semitic and not think that the Holocaust never happened. But let's get real, shall we? In practice, what is the more likely scenario - someone just happening to think the Holocaust is wrong, or someone saying so out of rather nasty personal views?

One thing it is not possible to be is an honest Holocaust denialist.

48. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #200307 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 27, 2008 at 9:33 am

advocatus you are now lying through your teeth. You said that there wasn't much to choose from between the glories of Western Civilization and Islamic barbarism. That is what you said. Period.

49. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview

Comment #200271 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 27, 2008 at 8:18 am

Your comparison is so completely ridiculous, it is making it hard to take you seriously

I wouldn't even try, al. This guy is obviously out there in cloud cuckoo land.

50. God hates Mars

Comment #200243 by Fanusi Khiyal on June 27, 2008 at 6:39 am

I appreciated this post. It's easy to forget just how insane some of the Christian perspective is.