1. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #313973 by Corylus on January 6, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I'm liking the bus photo on the home page. Well done Josh.
*Sings The Wheels on the Bus go round and round... in a happy way*
2. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313968 by Corylus on January 6, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Meh. Ask Mike.
This dormouse needs her sleep :-)
5. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions - 28th Dec 2008
Comment #313316 by Corylus on January 6, 2009 at 2:49 am
I just saw on the front page the first line of a post..
Comment #313313 by Sarmatae1:
My wife thinks I'm in the bathroom this has to be quick.Not that type of site I thought!
6. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313309 by Corylus on January 6, 2009 at 2:26 am
Comment #313307 by Quine:
I have done Aikido for almost 30 years now, so you know I know you knowBook recommendation.
7. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313288 by Corylus on January 6, 2009 at 1:50 am
DG
Have you ever had to take charity? It’s not pleasant. Charitable giving is something that people are told they can do (and feel good about themselves for doing it); while the people that receive it are told they must accept and feel grateful in response.
The fun and the freedom are somewhat unevenly distributed. Maybe you don’t understand what the (proper) purpose of charity is.
It is simply this: to negate the need for its own existence.
Disaster relief is a good example of this – repairing a suddenly destroyed infrastructure so that that people can function again.
Giving money that supports people at subsistence level without providing ways for them to get out off their dreadful situations is not charity – it is self indulgence. It also has the side effect of allowing governments out of their responsibility to provide a basic standard of living for their citizens. This perpetuates the need for the charity. Personally, I think it better to fight for people's rights instead of their gratitude.
Thought experiment: If there existed a society where there was no need for charity would this mean that the inhabitants of it were living a “less good” life?
8. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313187 by Corylus on January 5, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Comment #313139 by jgirolamo:
nope, but I did not click on the link so all I know is what you said.When you come back I hope you will explain why you do not click on links. I don’t understand your position on this and I would like to. I can think of several possible reasons:
9. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #311749 by Corylus on January 4, 2009 at 5:37 am
Comment #311740 by Sarmatae1:
What a waste of time.Well I found reading your posts very interesting, so I don't think so.
10. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions - 28th Dec 2008
Comment #311743 by Corylus on January 4, 2009 at 5:30 am
Comment #311735 by Bernstein:
Perhaps the distinction is obvious but a fine one. The difference between not allowing certain parents to have a child and taking it away from them at some later point is analogous to denying some people the right to marry and denying it to them only if they actually wanted to get married.We are all aware of your views on all types of marriage.
11. The New Atheism, a definition and a quiz
Comment #311502 by Corylus on January 3, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Brian
I'm not sure how Clifford gets past the fact that we must act sometimes without evidence for beliefs.Sometimes we act without sufficient evidence certainly, but do we ever act without any evidence? Is a blank slate capable of action?
I know of no way to show them wrong (I'm pretty thick) except to appeal to the great edifice of science, which of course, is not showing the fundamental assumption of science is justified.So why not concentrate on the ethics rather than the epistemology?
12. The New Atheism, a definition and a quiz
Comment #311481 by Corylus on January 3, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Brian
Actually, you have sufficient evidence for saying that it is not safe - I believe I have mentioned on board the fact that I am extremely short-sighted.
With some situations it might be better not to look for affirmative proof, but instead look for a disproving observation...
13. The New Atheism, a definition and a quiz
Comment #311478 by Corylus on January 3, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Decius,
Brian's only playing, he knows I'm not gonna pull out a killer refutation to Hume out of my furry little butt - he is just making me work a bit :-)
Steve
This is why I think education can (and does) work against religious belief. Because most people do want to think that what they believe is reasonable.I agree, but I would add (personal hobby horse!) that some education in psychology in a school curriculum would be a good plan.
14. The New Atheism, a definition and a quiz
Comment #311473 by Corylus on January 3, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Brian
I thought Clifford's point was that all beliefs had to be evidenced.Close but no cigar :-)
Yes, you get the asked what is sufficient evidence, but you can make the point that; where the well-being of others is an issue; then the evidence should be pretty damn good.
It is wrong in all cases to believe on insufficient evidence; and where it is presumption to doubt and to investigate, there it is worse than presumption to believe. [my emphasis]
15. The New Atheism, a definition and a quiz
Comment #311467 by Corylus on January 3, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Brian
I understand where you are coming from. Our poor wee brains mess with us and all of our resolutions, including those on acting rationally, come to nothing.*
However this does not effect the general principle that we should always try to seek evidence for belief. In fact, modern day psychology; with it's understanding of cognitive bias; can help us (try to) control for our prejudices, and also keep us humble about what we consider to be factually true.
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*Unless we are cunning and set ourselves easily achievable goals. My personal New Year's resolution is to remember to moisturise and (barring the occasionally drunken flopping into bed with my make up on) I think I might just manage to keep this one...
16. The New Atheism, a definition and a quiz
Comment #311461 by Corylus on January 3, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Steve,
This essay be found here.
The language is a bit old fashioned, but the point it makes about us having a moral duty to seek evidence for our views (because we risk hurting people if we don’t) is still completely relevant.
In relation to private reason this point really does need to be made.
Paula I think you will like this too – if you haven’t already read it that is! It is pretty much what you were saying.
Thanks Quine I admit I do have a habit of recycling things ![]()
17. The New Atheism, a definition and a quiz
Comment #311445 by Corylus on January 3, 2009 at 11:42 am
Baron
Everything?
How about
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.I like that one :-(
Timothy 5:23
I feel less sure that I have in the past about the separation between public reason and private reason.I do understand where you are coming from. Yes it is true that beliefs inform actions in a variety of ways and countries are made up of individuals. Therefore worries about simple distinctions are justified.
18. The New Atheism, a definition and a quiz
Comment #311438 by Corylus on January 3, 2009 at 10:53 am
Bugger!
I have just spent some time writing out a mediating post about the distinction between public and private reason only to find that Steve and Paula have managed to settle their friendly disagreement without any help whatsoever from me.
It’s not needed now. Hmpf. Damn unreasonable, fundamentalist atheists :-)
19. What Will Change Everything?
Comment #311074 by Corylus on January 2, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Gustavus29
Why have I provoked such a hostile reaction?Most people on here appear to be laughing rather than hostile.
I have bought items from this website, as have my loved ones, and we have a right to know exactly what our money is doing to do the world.What would you do if I said that I didn't believe you and wanted to see your credit card statement as proof?
20. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #309798 by Corylus on December 31, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Happy New Year GT :-)
21. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #309790 by Corylus on December 31, 2008 at 3:35 pm
skb
I scarcely know where to start.
Let’s begin though with the simple misunderstanding. You appear to be labouring under the misapprehension that you are being told to engage in acts that you are not comfortable with.
I love women and i would rather spend my life with them than with a dude. It's just the way iam.Nothing could be further from the truth. Personally I don’t give a stuff what floats your boat, however, as a general principle I like to see other people happy and surrounded by people that care about them. This makes me happy. Were I to see you in a photograph with a girlfriend smiling and happy, I would probably smile in response.
I told you already Iam sorry for offending you personally, but im not sorry for not endorsing gayness. So accusing me of homophobia is just not plain right. It looks like everyone who doesn't support homosexuality is homophic to you.You are confusing support with participation. We are not forcing a lifestyle choice upon you. All that is being asked is that you extend the same sense of fellow feeling and care towards those with different inclinations that we happily and freely give to you.
It's funny you don't detect rudeness in your posts.I spent a moment sucking in my teeth in response to that one, but I have to ask...
Your believe system is not just scary, but also evil and depraved of morality. God has probably given you to uncleanness through the lusts of your own heart, to dishonour your own body between you and your homosexual friend. This is just too creepy and i am sorry you have found reasons to justify such sins are pornography, homosexuality and such. When and where did you come to settle the lie that gayness is a wonderful, natural behavior' I mean your welcome to believe whatever, but this sir is going too far with you... nothing i read from your post was informative except a justification for sin. I think with these signs of evil and men running away from the faith, we are nearing Armageddon, it's really a burden that you will cary to the lake of fire. And who told you homosexulity was not a condemned sexual deviance' have you been to the world lately' Most people hate homosexuality, it's a dumb thing only practiced by the low self esteemed.
22. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #309353 by Corylus on December 31, 2008 at 4:00 am
I enjoyed your Barbie story Titania.
If I had thought of that I would have saved by parents some money...
My sister and I were only ever bought one Barbie doll each and then given distinctly different types of toys.
I’m afraid I got into trouble for cutting off a large proportion of my one’s hair (I wanted a ‘punk barbie’ with a “Mohican” haircut). My sister got into even more trouble for getting over enthusiastic and literal minded when playing ‘doctors’ with hers (suture marks drawn on with indelible ink).
Ha. Thank heavens for little girls...
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Happy New Year All.
23. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #309345 by Corylus on December 31, 2008 at 3:34 am
Cartomancer Thoroughly agree. I going to make a small effort at education though.
I seriously doubt that he will look at it my link but it is worth a try, if only for lurkers rather than the individual himself.
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skb here is a little story for you to read about what’s wrong with gay sex.
If you are going to argue the morality of such things it might save us all some considerable time if you realise how the arguments have been addressed before.
24. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #309316 by Corylus on December 31, 2008 at 1:43 am
Wosret
Fun fact. It is not only a question of dummy drug only working a bit or a lot. They can actually make you feel worse. See the lesser known nocebo effect for an explanation.
Moral of the story – don’t read the side effects leaflet you get with any drugs.
It is a strange mind that of this species of primate. I am constantly amused, shocked, amazed, thrilled, saddened, awe-struck, and disgusted.Yep. Nothing like the noggin for messing with you.
25. Darwin shouldn't be hijacked by New Atheists - he is an ethical inspiration
Comment #308763 by Corylus on December 30, 2008 at 11:36 am
David Roberston
The fact that your 'rebuttal' of it begins by nitpicking over the title of the book, and offers no substantive rebuttal, is perhaps indicative that Bunting is quite right.Is it nitpicking to note that when someone gets the title of a book they are discussing wrong, then this is indicative of someone whose research skills are lacking?
Comment #308151 by Corylus on December 29, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Always a difficult period - that gap between Christmas and New Year.
The bonhomie wears off and all you are left with is the feeling of nausea that arises when you perceive the unpleasant fruitcake left on the sideboard.
Arh well. It wouldn't be Christmas without it.
27. God: Philosophers Weigh In
Comment #307511 by Corylus on December 28, 2008 at 5:10 am
Brian
Was it not a faint memory of the pre-rational Hazel's experience that lead you after all if you don't count the pre-rational by what rational reason would you bother?I am sure that there is an element of that – we don’t approach family situations de novo after all.
I imagine you'd do it for reasons that come down to human nature or am I being a tad empiricist?You want to talk empiricism, now!? Dude, what time of the night is it for you??
I'd go as far to say that I trust all people (in proportion) who have not given me reason not to trust.Sounds reasonable... if not rational ;-)
28. God: Philosophers Weigh In
Comment #307501 by Corylus on December 28, 2008 at 4:52 am
Brian
Which totally ignores the question of what you did when you were too young to choose and that's who you were stuck with. Did you she earn that trust?Can the pre-rational conceptualise trust in the adult manner that we are both talking about? With no notion of betrayal is trust a word that can be used in this context?
P.S. Sorry, I'm having fun arguing as you might notice with my trolling of Dianelos.Yes, I know :-)
29. God: Philosophers Weigh In
Comment #307491 by Corylus on December 28, 2008 at 4:34 am
Brian
did your mother earn your trust?Yes, everyday. That's one of the reasons I love her :-)
To me this is why a statement that trust is earned seems not correct in some, probably the most important, cases.However, I do understand where you are coming from Brian, so I think it is important to clarify further.
30. God: Philosophers Weigh In
Comment #307467 by Corylus on December 28, 2008 at 4:07 am
Bernstein
And your solution is simply to privilege theirs over mine? How I would act and the decisions I would make depend on a lot of things; not just cold and hard "rationality". In a simplified universe, perhaps; but not the one we live in.I am sure that Steve will correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me that he is advocating impartiality not ‘cold and hard “rationality”’ (whatever exactly you mean by that). You appear to be presuming that he is taking a much stronger position than he actually is.
But we take the accreditization organization on trust in any case.Yes, but this point is valid insofar as you talk about organisations and not individuals. With organisations we have recourse to legislation after breach of trust (self-interest does seem act as a guarantor of better behaviour :-) with individuals we very rarely do.
31. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #307407 by Corylus on December 28, 2008 at 1:46 am
Skb
But the thing is that what pascal said is still in need of consideration to this day.Hmm - I take it you don't agree with the conclusion that the proper response to Pascal's Wager is that...
32. God: Philosophers Weigh In
Comment #307129 by Corylus on December 27, 2008 at 8:42 am
Tom Morris
It's sad that there is so much anti-philosophy rhetoric here.
33. Jimmy Carr on Richard Dawkins
Comment #306255 by Corylus on December 24, 2008 at 8:43 am
Mitchell
Is that you being a bad boy??
Comment #306249 by Corylus on December 24, 2008 at 8:24 am
Dear me, why do morons always want to play at meta-ethics?
GBG
Now, do you believe that what these Nazis did to thse Jews was wrong? I'm not asking whether you empathise but whether you think it was morally wrong. Or is it just a matter of opinion?
35. Jimmy Carr on Richard Dawkins
Comment #304601 by Corylus on December 21, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Onanism
36. Secularists' vital war on religion
Comment #304585 by Corylus on December 21, 2008 at 11:32 am
Anvil
His [Grayling's] short collection of essays - Against All Gods - is my choice of present for family waverers:
37. Jimmy Carr on Richard Dawkins
Comment #304579 by Corylus on December 21, 2008 at 11:02 am
Comment 66 above, is completely uncalled for and evidently written by an exceedingly nasty individual.
Not well named though as I he doesn't appear to have any.
38. Is Yahweh a Moral Monster?
Comment #304494 by Corylus on December 21, 2008 at 5:39 am
Well I waded my way through it. I always keep an eye out for the inevitable denigration. It comes on page 9.
The new atheists seem to resist the notion of Yahweh's rightful prerogatives over humans precisely because they seem uncomfortable with the idea of judgment in any form.Yep – we throw out the moral injunctions of the bible not because the fictional Yahweh acted abysmally, but because we want to get on with our sinful practises without being stopped.
39. Turkey bans biologist Richard Dawkins' website
Comment #304066 by Corylus on December 20, 2008 at 8:57 am
Comment #304040 by heretic_anatolian:
Im also Turkish atheist. We are suffering from islamization of Turkey during AKP islamic party.Small consolation, but this is being noticed and reported upon.
40. Hitchens Debates Rabbi Wolpe on God
Comment #303831 by Corylus on December 19, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Comment #303816 by Steve Zara:
Personally, I'd told him to stick his holly where the sun don't shine, but that's just me.
As it is Christmas, I'll give you a present you don't deserve. A reply.
41. The Latest Face of Creationism in the Classroom
Comment #302410 by Corylus on December 17, 2008 at 2:38 am
Brian, if Hume were alive he would be beaming with pride :-)
42. Warning: A Truckload of Stupid
Comment #301914 by Corylus on December 16, 2008 at 3:41 am
Ivan
"But in reality belief in God does not require a divorce from science. It simply requires faith in something that cannot be proven."Echoes of Hebrew 11 in that one.
WTF?
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ... 3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.As you say WTF??
17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son.Yep – atheism as faith that really works. [/sarc]
43. Orangutan's Spontaneous Whistling Opens New Chapter In Study Of Evolution Of Speech
Comment #301522 by Corylus on December 15, 2008 at 3:14 am
Van Youngman
My first question is when would homo sapiens have started to whistle.In response to tuition from Lauren Bacall.
44. Tiktaalik: The Music Video
Comment #301253 by Corylus on December 14, 2008 at 8:07 am
Bluebird,
PM for you.
45. How to stop creationism gaining a hold in Islam
Comment #301123 by Corylus on December 13, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Steve,
You (and Roger) have taught me new things and I would be very sorry to see either of you go.
46. Hitchens Debates Rabbi Wolpe on God
Comment #301121 by Corylus on December 13, 2008 at 2:43 pm
anyegin
I have to respond before leaving you all.
47. Hitchens Debates Rabbi Wolpe on God
Comment #301118 by Corylus on December 13, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Worset,
Dianelos is a bloke. I recall him saying some time ago. Not that gender makes any difference to the questions being discussed, of course, but I thought I would just save you some of the s/he him/her ing :-)
48. Vatican tightens in vitro opposition
Comment #301116 by Corylus on December 13, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Comment #301112 by Metch:
Do humanist organizations respond to these Vatican statements?Yep. You might enjoy the Center for Inquiry’s recent press release on this.
49. Richard Dawkins interviews Derren Brown
Comment #300767 by Corylus on December 12, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Swordmaiden
Hope I haven't lost all credibility on this site with my last post....be gentle with me!Why would you lose credibility by being honest? :-)
Those are interestings statements.
...In all other ways my ex was "normal"; not a depressive or anything (other than being an arrogant arsehole) which is why I left him many years ago.
...saying how wonderful he was when I knew he was a git, but a seemingly clever git...
...my ex was such a selfish bastard most of the time...
50. Here Be Dragons - The Movie
Comment #299774 by Corylus on December 10, 2008 at 11:27 am
Skep
I am not going to get draw into a long discussion on what is a small matter blown out of all proportion,however, as you asked me a direct question I will answer.
Well, the use of the term 'we'll' for a start. This indicated that this was unrelated to comments made on here, which are made in an individual capacity.
Tell me, why don't you, how that comment is wholly unreasonable based on Roger's post, and why.