1. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #315188 by Philip1978 on January 8, 2009 at 5:02 am
My own small congregation is just about to spend £1 million on redoing our building
2. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #315150 by Philip1978 on January 8, 2009 at 3:52 am
O, swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon, That monthly changes in her circled orb
Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
3. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314476 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 8:20 am
Allan
I am still curious as to what it will accomplish - is deadzebra actually that naive to think that by some miraculous turn of events all of us will suddenly turn around, in awe of the words from his holy text and convert on the spot?
I might do a blog on this, its quite interesting!
:)
4. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314466 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 8:00 am
deadzebra
I am curious as to what you hope to accomplish by quoting bits of the bible at us?
5. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314432 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 6:53 am
Wooter
Have you never heard of the concept of hell?
6. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions - 28th Dec 2008
Comment #314430 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 6:49 am
Wooter
Smile away old friend, they say its good for you.
Er sorry, can I clarify this, I would hate to be seen as dodging the question, you want to know how babies are made?
Do you really need me to explain sexual reproduction to you?
7. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314408 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 6:04 am
Richard Hughes
Have you ever tried telling any religious person that other religions exist and make the same ridiculous claims? I keep telling religious folk there are around 2,850 gods and rising but, no, according to them and their magic book, there is only one god and it is theirs!
I agree with you, it is all unbelievable!
:)
8. Milky Way 'bigger than thought'
Comment #314401 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 5:45 am
Ian
Utterly amazing, very good photos indeed.
Why do people want to assume that gods carry all the awe and wonder when simply looking at pictures like that can provoke a more positive and meaningful feeling of "cor blimey!"
Thanks for sharing that, keep up the good work!
:)
P.S Please may I have your permission to set the second one as my desktop background?
9. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314374 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 4:47 am
Arwen
You got it in one, yes that is a very typical argument tactic - there are always two gods for you to deal with - the god that they "know" and communicate with and the god that you could not possibly begin to understand the almighty wisdom of his ways.
Being two completely opposite paradoxical arguments is not an impossible thing for their god to be
Tough isn't it!
:)
10. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314366 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 4:36 am
Phatbat
A fine post sir, David is very good at conveniently forgetting that religion as a whole is one of the biggest causes of fear and misery in this world, since Jesus loves him he doesn't give a monkeys about suffering.
Of course, he only turned up to shit and run, as is his wont, I doubt you will get a reply from the evil little liar!
Irate has the right idea, quote Shakespeare at him!
“Do not, as some ungracious pastors do, Show me the steep and thorny way to heaven, Whiles, like a puff’d and reckless libertine, Himself the primrose path of dalliance treads, And recks not his own rede.
11. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314325 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 3:10 am
Blackbird
Sorry, just how did we arrive at Richard's eating habits when there is an atheist bus to discuss?
12. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314298 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 2:33 am
For all of you unfamiliar with David's attempt at a bus campaign, here is the link in all its glory!
http://richarddawkins.net/userComments,page3,25843
£87.50 (Of cheque that David knew might bounce) vs £135,000
No contest really - David committed fraud for Jesus and Ariane Sherine did this all legally!
13. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314264 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 2:02 am
Evilcor
Ok fine, I don't approve of your taste in men but that's your own business...
But...
If I find out it was YOU who suggested the Free Church padlocked up the children's playground on a Sunday, well .. I will do such things, what they are yet I know not, but they shall be the terrors of the Earth!
:)
14. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314259 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 1:56 am
David
I know, you are jealous, your church couldn't even muster enough for a coach ride, let alone advertising on the side of a bus.
But remember, envy is a sin and Jesus doesn't like it when you do that!
Of course he never existed so don't worry your pretty little head about it!
15. Atheists launch bus ad campaign
Comment #314218 by Philip1978 on January 7, 2009 at 1:13 am
Evilcor
I think a change is in the air, I think people like Richard have given a lot of people confidence enough to really start questioning the Jackleg big-mouths - I am seeing it more and more in the media - comedians, actors, writers, musicians etc are all coming out of the woodwork and saying no to religion and yes to reason.
There is still a very long way to go but I do think something good has been started - if you had asked me before The God Delusion came out the same question I may not have been so optimistic, but I say things are looking up.
Yes it could all go tits up, but I for one thing feel more empowered to take on the religious and will not stop or falter in my valiant quest till I have made each one of them have a decent cup of TEA!
16. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions - 28th Dec 2008
Comment #313524 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 8:41 am
Wooter
My dear chap, I am so glad you are having as much fun as I am, I would hate to think you were feeling set upon in any way!
You seem confused about why I would take someone like Oystein's ideas about the workings of the universe to yours - Oystein has a PHD in Astrophysics and is very good at explaining things to idiots like me.
What possible qualifications do you have that could possibly be better than a PHD?
I freely admit I am no expert, but I trust 21st century experts over 1st century thinking any day of the week because they have done a lot of work, starting from a position of doubt, to prove what they say is viable or not.
I am not stuck old friend, I think it is you who are stuck in the mud of religion, but hey ho, carry on and don't let me stop you!
Tally Ho!
17. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313502 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 7:55 am
Irate
Very true, I think I will be forever curious as to just how any person can just use such arguments as "I know in the end it all points to God"!
It sometimes sounds like I am really extracting the urine but my mind cannot cope with this idea that anyone can make that colossal leap from the list of 2,850 gods and just assume there and then that they are right.
No expert advice can penetrate, no logic or reason will ever make it through - it just simply IS that particular deity, no more questions need to be asked or answered.
Am about to start reading Pascal Boyer's Religion explained hopefully sometime soon and perhaps I might have more of an idea but I am still magnificently boggled at this way of thinking!
:)
18. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313491 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 7:38 am
Quetz
You might need this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense#Chewbacca_defense
19. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313488 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 7:35 am
You cannot aquit - Chewie never lived on Endor!
HA!
20. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313484 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 7:21 am
jgirolamo
Do you know there have been over 2,850 created down the ages by human beings?
Epeeist kindly provided a link to a site, but you will not go to it so I will not provide it.
1 of these religions, created by humans around the 1st or 2nd century AD, was Christianity.
In the 21st century it has become apparent that there are 33,000 denominations of Christianity spread amongst its 2.2 Billion believers.
33,000 different ways that believers cannot agree on what their deity wants of them, how is anyone supposed to find out which one of them is the correct one?
You claim to know your god - well, so do a heck of a lot of others and they would vehemently disagree with you about what it is your god wants of you and what you consider truthful.
How can you then make claims you know what this particular form of Christian god wants of you? How come this god has told believers in what is supposed to be the same religion a multitude of different things that he wants?
It doesn't make any sense at all.
21. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313456 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 6:27 am
jgirolamo
I have seen and read of multiple religions and I fail to see the difference between what you believe and what a Muslim, Jew, Norse God worshipper or Sceintologist believes is the truth.
22. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313415 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 5:27 am
*Looks Innocent*
If read in the right way that sentence could show you that I think that all the quiet people are pacifists....
Is that ambiguous enough Laurie? I would hate it if Wooter didn't get his comeuppance...
Oh dear, TAXI???
23. Does Religion Make You Nice?
Comment #313401 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 5:09 am
There I was thinking Laurie was a pacifist...its always the quiet ones I tells yer! :)
24. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions - 28th Dec 2008
Comment #313298 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 2:05 am
Evilcor
Yes, they do unfortunately - Wooter is a special case and regularly scores a good 60 to 100 Hovinds with his posts.
I am in awe of how utterly daft he is, I am usually against feeding the trolls but I get such enjoyment out of seeing him try and thrash away at people far more knowledgeable than he is AND actually thinking he is doing a good thing!
The stupidity and way of thinking is fascinating, its like trying to understand gravity - I will bet there is an answer, there has to be, science may one day find that answer but until then you have to sit back in fascination as he tells people who have been studying subjects longer than I have been alive that they are wrong and that he is right.
:)
25. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions - 28th Dec 2008
Comment #313284 by Philip1978 on January 6, 2009 at 1:46 am
Cool
I see Wooter cannot even fathom that he was once himself a single celled organism that developed into something more complex, nice one mate, keep taking the pills.
Ok, I see what you are doing again, I love this -
Ok here are two full stops ..
Here are two more full stops ..
Combining them will show 4 full stops ....
Right, so what you are essentially doing is saying there is a mythical other full stop that you cannot see, that I never typed, but you claim it is still there to make that total 5, this is silly.
From all the available evidence there are 4 full stops there, that is all we know, that is all we can prove without guessing. I can say in all truthfulness that I only hit the full stop button 4 times, I never intended for there to be a 5th when adding 2 full stops to another couple of full stops. There is no good reason why you would want to do this.
You are assuming there is another full stop and you are making a total prat of yourself but are guided by the age old practice of repeating it enough to yourself that you think its actually there and that we are all crazy.
We could get a fully qualified punctuation expert and a PHD Mathematician to explain this very thing to you but you would still argue that its there.
I don't suppose you are seeing the similarity between that and your ridiculous ideas about evolution are you?
:)
26. Atheists Sue to Get Prayer, God Out of Obama's Swearing-In
Comment #310787 by Philip1978 on January 2, 2009 at 2:31 am
Only just read this, so forgive me if someone else has said it but I am all for the President being sworn in.
"I do solemnly bloody well swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Frackin' Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my goddamn Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, no bastard is going to fuck with me."
See, its all about the delivery! :)
Oh dear, I see people are channeling David - just be careful you lot, messing with that stuff, you might start channeling McGrath and then we are all in trouble as we will be here forever!
Happy New Year to you all!
Comment #306100 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 4:52 am
Diacanu
What have I told you about turning Richard into a deity?
You know the trouble that causes, now, be a good boy and turn him back into a mild mannered Professor!
:)
I am off Ladies and Gentlemen
I want to wish you all a very naughty xmas and new year, if I hear about your antics on the international news then you get a prize when I return!
Tally Bally Ho!
Comment #306087 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 4:43 am
You are quoting that despicable oaf De Souza, are you fucking mad?
Comment #306083 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 4:41 am
Ok
Which one of you started "believing" in Richard in the same way that gimlibengloin has faith in his god?
Come on, out with it, which one of you was it?
gimlibengloin
Richard is not a god, he is a highly intelligent human being with whom I happen to agree with on certain subjects after looking at the evidence presented.
I refuse to ask him to suspend the laws of the universe just for my own selfish needs - I do not worship him, I have no "faith" in him.
Stop making stuff up
30. Jimmy Carr on Richard Dawkins
Comment #306076 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 4:35 am
Take it easy steve. You are out of my League.
Comment #306062 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 4:27 am
Well, if we going to be quotin' today I bring forth the musings of the mighty Hitchens from http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070606_christopher_hitchens_religion_poisons_everything/
That’s easy. Hitler never abandoned Christianity and recommends Catholicism quite highly in “Mein Kampf.” Fascism, as distinct from National Socialism, was in effect a Catholic movement.
Stalin—easier still. For hundreds of years, millions of Russians had been told the head of state should be a man close to God, the czar, who was head of the Russian Orthodox Church as well as absolute despot. If you’re Stalin, you shouldn’t be in the dictatorship business if you can’t exploit the pool of servility and docility that’s ready-made for you. The task of atheists is to raise people above that level of servility and credulity. No society has gone the way of gulags or concentration camps by following the path of Spinoza and Einstein and Jefferson and Thomas Paine.
Comment #306044 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 4:17 am
Brian
See what I mean, the old mind is making me paranoid - you are all out to get me - LOCK THE DOORS, I NEED TO HIDE, THE ATHEISTS ARE GOING TO EAT ME!
I think I need some beer, that will solve the problem!
:)
Comment #306039 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 4:13 am
Brian
Oops
Too much coffee, not enough Tea, you are right indeed.
Comment #306031 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 4:04 am
gimlibengloin:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Hitler did not give up his faith, he, like Stalin, manipulated the teachings to his own advantages.
Hitler used the example of artificial selection to promote his eugenics drive, it had bugger all to do with Darwin and more to do with breeding practices known well way before Darwin turned up.
Please do not call me dull minded just because I disagree with you
Comment #306009 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 3:44 am
gimlibengloin
Hehehhe that's so funny!
I mean, Hitler was a Catholic and Stalin modelled his dictatorship on the religious antics of the Czars who had claimed they were gods!
So in fact Catholicism and Russian Orthodox Christianity were "responsible for the greatest genocidal atrocities of the twentieth century"
Hahahahahhaha, teh funnies, I haz them!
Stop making stuff up, there's a good boy!
Comment #305994 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 3:27 am
Brian English
You will notice in that story that not even old Yahweh picked up a stone to hurl at that woman, tells you something about God doesn't it - SINNER!
:)
37. What do atheists do at Christmas?
Comment #305975 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 2:56 am
gcdavis
Its so refreshing to see an atheist finally proving that without a god guiding them through life one can live a perfect moral existence on this Earth!
I salute you, well done!
:)
38. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #305961 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 2:30 am
skb
I admire your enthusiasm and good nature and I am happy to exchange ideas as long as you know that any blasphemies I utter are of no direct wish to insult you.
Ok, I will give as short a summary of the Bible I can to give you an idea as to why I don't trust its teachings.
First off the Bible that you have in your possession is certainly not the true version of the Bible that was eventually created in 331AD by the order of Constantine to Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea Palaestina and also the "canonised" version of Athanasius of Alexandria in 337 AD.
In 325 AD Emperor Constantine, or Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus for short :), summoned what was to be called the First Council, or Synod, of Nicaea. This was called because of the on going problems of a civil war that was to last centuries between the ideals of the Cathars and the Arians - they fought this war over a difference in opinion, that of the divinity of Jesus. Arius, the leader of the Arians claimed this
"A creation," said Arius, "is less than its creator. The Son is less than the Father that 'begot' him. In the Beginning was the Creator God and the Son did not exist.
39. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #305928 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 1:01 am
skb
I have indeed studied parts of Hitler and Stalin's rule, they were very cruel and disgusting men indeed.
Need I have to remind you that Hitler was a Catholic?
Need I also remind you that Stalin modelled his rule on that of the Czars, who made the Russian population believe that they were gods and not just Czars?
But please can you get back to the question at hand, I asked you to explain why it is so impossible to find your god and how improbable it is that he is the one and only god that the rest of us should worship.
We can get on to the history lessons later, if I am right you are trying to steer the conversation towards people acting upon their "atheism" as an excuse for doing bad things. That would not help you in the slightest, I could drum up a lot of things people have done because of religious motivations that are extremely horrifying - the difference being is that being an atheist has nothing to do with one's actions, you can be a good or a bad person, atheism has nothing to do with it.
So please can we talk about this God deity of yours, the one also known as Yahweh, formerly known as El or Elorim? I want to know why it is so hard for him to back up what you say about this being you claim exists.
Comment #305924 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 12:47 am
David
Merry Xmas to you too.
Oh, yes, your book - I do hope you have now found out that Jesus never grew up in Nazareth because it was a graveyard for the nearby town of Japha up until AD 67 when Emperor Vespasian utterly destroyed the place whilst on a Jew killing rampage.
Before I also forget, have you finally found out that false prophesy in Matthew 2:22:23 - you know the one about the Nazarene being mistaken for the word Nazirite which can be found in found in Numbers 6, Judges 13, Judges 16 and Amos 2. The only prophesy being made is in Judges 13 and as a man claims to have been reading the Bible for the past 25 years you will know that the prophesy there is for Samson.
Further more I hope you have found the evidence that the Nazarenes were in fact a split off sect of the Jewish nomadic tribe the Essenes? They have nothing to do with Nazareth of course, which I am sure through your research you will have found.
If you need any more help with finding out Jesus never existed, please by all means ask, I am here for you!
:)
41. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #305915 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2008 at 12:04 am
skb
I think you are mistaken - you asked what I thought was a good enough reason not to believe as you do in the god that you believe in - I gave it. I asked you to produce the god that you claim exists - this god, if he exists, should have no trouble in backing up whatever claims you make of that being. All that I am asking is that this being prove himself - I am not angry at you, I am merely asking for evidence.
You seem to think that there is only one god - there are way more than that, they have either been forgotten or re-invented - last count was around 2,500 gods created by humans down the ages.
I must assume you are a Christian and so therefore I would have to ask why there have to be around 33,000 denominations of that religion - how come your version of your god is better than the 2,500 other gods and also the correct one for the 32,999 others?
I am a, albeit very amateur, historian, I have studied bits of the history surrounding Christianity and I am not impressed by the sheer lack of evidence, contradictions and outright lies that can be found in the claims of the Bible from where you derive your religion from.
Do you even know the history of the Bible? Do you know how it actually finally came to be the book that you read in the 21st century? I could show you a little if you want, but I am convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that a supreme being that could have been called Elorim or El instead of Yahweh that you now call God had absolutely no part in creating it.
Only humans did.
They voted on it, corrected it, monks doctored it, things were lost, burned, there were mistranslations, there is evidence of outright plagiarism and it is full of some amazing contradictions.
If I am to have "faith" in something that destroys the whole point of understanding anything - faith is belief without evidence and so therefore subject to complete misinterpretation, I would rather know the facts before I blindly accept what is not true.
42. Hitchens Debates Rabbi Wolpe on God
Comment #305514 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 6:00 am
Hehehe
Titania, I will put that to the test one day!
Though I remember coming home one evening after a few pints of good Hobgoblin Ale and started posting - oh boy was that an interesting read the next day!
:)
43. Hitchens Debates Rabbi Wolpe on God
Comment #305512 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 5:53 am
And now you produce a post that is both technical, lucid and, just as important, bereft of all the verbiage that has been produced by another writer on this thread.
44. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #305460 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 3:39 am
Steve
I am sure one of the Mitchell brothers never even had a proper beard - it is my firm conviction that after reading the Bible that it is a written pre-requisite for God to have long hair and a beard in accordance with the rules of a being a Nazirite.
Ok Phil had a sort of prototype beard for a while but he and Grant suffer greatly for their lack of long hair! :)
Lurving them is all very well and good, but they are both very naughty boys and therefore not allowed to be messiahs :)
However, should I wish to, I am sure I can open a means of communication up with both men and at the moment they have the one quality that Elorim is severely lacking in.
45. Dawkins Delusion (3rd article, Same Stupid Title)
Comment #305455 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 3:23 am
Irate
Rest assured, I'm here too and am feeling superbly merry!
skb
I think one of the most compelling reasons for not believing in your god is that you cannot ask him to come out from where he is hiding in order to back up whatever you say about him. If your god can't prove himself, if there is no proper means of communicating with this being and you claim it is so important to do so, how come it's so difficult to find this being?
For a supposedly perfect deity, you have to admit that is a colossal flaw.
46. Jimmy Carr on Richard Dawkins
Comment #305436 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 2:58 am
Well that's me out the running for the Evil award then - I only said he might want to check if he was mistaken, I said nothing about him being a liar...yet Mwahahaha - Oops, cat out the bag again - ODIN, get back here now! :)
47. Jimmy Carr on Richard Dawkins
Comment #305426 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 2:28 am
Brian
I am still trying to work out if it is your new avatar that has scared Wooter off rather than your 6ftness and stupidity.
48. Jimmy Carr on Richard Dawkins
Comment #305420 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 2:12 am
Laurie
I am a scary man aren't I - evil in my language and deeds!
Being 6ft tall and a Tea drinker will do that to a man!
Mwahahhahahhahahahha
49. Jimmy Carr on Richard Dawkins
Comment #305405 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 1:41 am
Salexc
That's more like it, short but descriptive language!
:)
I thought your post was rather good actually, if you are looking for decent tangents, wait for Wooter's reply!
:)
50. Florida Woman Says Former Church Plans to Make Her Sins Public
Comment #305347 by Philip1978 on December 23, 2008 at 12:24 am
Oh happy days, religion is such a convivial and mirthful thing, bringing the community together and talking about love - awww aren't they soo sweet!