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501. War in Heaven: Hitchens Meets D'Souza on Home Turf

Comment #81099 by BAEOZ on October 24, 2007 at 4:50 am

EarthChild, how goes it?
You forgot the Catholic supported genocide in Rwanda, the whole totalitarian purge of Constantine.....etc etc ad nauseum. But this is a content argument. Christianity is false, claiming morality is stupid.

502. War in Heaven: Hitchens Meets D'Souza on Home Turf

Comment #80993 by BAEOZ on October 23, 2007 at 9:19 pm

First!
If this doesn't fire up the "Hitchens is a drunk who damages the atheist cause" meme I'll be surprised.
Sigh. This D'Souza might be the king of the non-sequitur.

503. Catholic condom ban helping AIDS spread in Latam: U.N.

Comment #80951 by BAEOZ on October 23, 2007 at 4:33 pm

Kristian Z:

Doesn't he know that the Poop is infallible? Whatever the Poop says about condoms, the universe or rock music, is absolute and undeniable truth.

I'm probably wrong about this but, the pope can say anything as guidance for catholics to use but not be bound by. It's only when he speaks "ex cathedra" (from the poppy chair) that all catholics have to accept it as infallible work of god. I think that's the deal with a silly old fart in Rome ruling a billion odd lives.....

504. Catholic condom ban helping AIDS spread in Latam: U.N.

Comment #80921 by BAEOZ on October 23, 2007 at 2:01 pm

More medieval cult of misery logic! Sex is against sky fairies rules! Use of condoms to avoid aids means licensing sex outside marriage! Sex should be between married couple, who will raise their hundred kiddies catholic! If the Cardinals and ecclesiastics can't have sex*, they are gonna make sure the believers have a warped sex life......

*Except with an altar boy.

506. Devil of a problem

Comment #80701 by BAEOZ on October 22, 2007 at 4:58 pm

Mero, I believe there is speculation that the loggers killing wallabies (not rabbits as the article suggests) with 1080 poison helped mutate the gene causing the cancer. The devils are mostly carrion eaters, and poisoned wallabies are very available due to logging, they are too uncoordinated to catch anything that isn't at the point of dying or dead.
This is speculation, but if you ate food laced with mecury from 1080 on a regular basis you may experience deleterous effects. The trouble is studies are needed and the governments don't see it as a priority. Logging gets votes and largesse for politicians. The cute devils (they are hilarious when you see the move about and squabble) don't get votes or kickbacks as Tasmania is a backwater that isn't high on the agenda of latte sipping or macmansion buying voters in Melbourne, Brisbane and Sydney.....Pulp a few trees, poison a few macropods, loose a few species. Profit!


[EDIT] Russell, at least you give a rat's arse about issues and think them over with your latte. I'm no better than others, I love latte :), but I thought if we could raise a bit of consciousness about their plight, especially at election time, who knows?

507. Interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Comment #80509 by BAEOZ on October 22, 2007 at 3:00 am

Russell, I have to concur (I'm in danger of being a Russell Blackford sychophant, please forgive), I think there are secular values that are non negotiable. But killing or waring with people who are not out to war with us and want secular values is madness. Assuming that is what we are talking about. I often get it wrong :)

508. Debate between Michael Shermer and Dinesh D'Souza

Comment #80449 by BAEOZ on October 21, 2007 at 10:05 pm

Dr. Benway:

Did you know Jesus made my dick bigger than everyone else's? Surprising, but true. Praise His name.

Of course you have empirical backing for this claim?

The claim that Jesus exists....

509. Egypt's fight against female circumcision clashes with tradition

Comment #80448 by BAEOZ on October 21, 2007 at 10:03 pm

Poor buggers. It may not be religious in origin, but religions that treat women as property will encourage or at least turn a blind eye to practices that they believe will stop women "straying" because of their supposed insatiable lust......sick.

510. Devil of a problem

Comment #80437 by BAEOZ on October 21, 2007 at 8:35 pm

Woohoo! Thanks Josh! Hopefully some pressure can be put on the Federal & State governments to fund saving this Aussie treasure instead of tax money going on middle class welfare.

512. The greatest debate

Comment #80354 by BAEOZ on October 21, 2007 at 12:23 pm

How do you get an article put up on the site? I sent an article about the vulnerability and possible extinction of the Tassy Devil to contact@richarddawkins.net but like all the articles I've sent it hasn't appeared. If that's editorial policy, so be it. But maybe I used the wrong email address. Anybody know how this is done.


Good article, but I worry more about the Tassy Devils here in Aus than RD toning down his necessary work.

513. Christopher Hitchens at AAI 07

Comment #80211 by BAEOZ on October 20, 2007 at 6:43 pm

Totally off topic, but I think we need to start a petition or something to save the Tassy devil. I posted this link to Josh, hopefully he'll put in a unique thread.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/in-depth/devil-of-a-problem/2007/10/20/1192301096591.html

515. God's honest truth?

Comment #79809 by BAEOZ on October 18, 2007 at 3:21 pm

Bonzai I had a look at that link you posted for V. The bit about being ancephalic and still being able to think cracked me up! I guess that explains creationists :)

516. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath

Comment #79668 by BAEOZ on October 18, 2007 at 5:40 am

Rtambree:

Thanks for these corrections. I'll incorporate them into the next version AMDG 2.0 :)

Thanks for being so kind in your reply. I'm not sure what AMDG is? Does the DG represent our most prolific troll?

517. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath

Comment #79655 by BAEOZ on October 18, 2007 at 5:05 am

I'm gonna get burnt for this but (I can't help myself after 9 stubbies)....


Use of passive voice e.g. "what I would like to say..." Take a sip.

Use of conditional - passive: It is/was/will be said...


Use of double passive voice e.g. "what I would think I would like to say" Take two sips.

Future conditional? - double passive: It is is/ was was/will be will be said

Use of triple passive voice e.g. "what I believe I would think I would like to say..." Take three sips.

Idiot voice (future future conditional) -
Triple passive: It is is is....

518. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #79598 by BAEOZ on October 17, 2007 at 10:43 pm

This thread seems to have died of over posting, so I shouldn't reanimate it. But! This cartoon sums up xtianity perfectly I think:
http://russellsteapot.com/comics/2007/So-simple.html

519. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath

Comment #79574 by BAEOZ on October 17, 2007 at 7:28 pm

bluejway:

Who cares about the ideas anyway?

We do. McGrath doesn't appear too though.
The burden of proof is upon the person who proposes an idea. McGrath proposes god exists. Thus he must demonstrate god exists. We are proposing nothing, thus we have no burden. We await proof, until then god has the same truth status as the tooth fairy.

520. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath

Comment #79554 by BAEOZ on October 17, 2007 at 4:53 pm

Alovrin, I'm not sure about the metaphor. You are probably right about the battle.

521. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath

Comment #79480 by BAEOZ on October 17, 2007 at 11:43 am

Fides you really are sad and silly.
AM doesn't deal at all with Hitchens and doesn't even say what he believes. Just another liar for god. Like you.

Just in case you've forgotten. It has been demonstrated to you the logical incoherence of the Trinity of your religion. You still hold that it makes sense, thus you're a liar.

522. Help Counter the New Atheist Crusade to 'Evangelize' America!

Comment #79470 by BAEOZ on October 17, 2007 at 11:19 am

Elli:

Doesn't the word evangelize literally mean to convert someone to christianity? to describe atheists as seeking to evangelize is just plain idiotic.

I think so, and doesn't the word Crusade have the same relationship to cross that escapade has to escape? Christians really do think atheists are a faith, and share their world view....Liars think that everybody else is a liar too I guess.

523. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath

Comment #79307 by BAEOZ on October 16, 2007 at 8:39 pm

Alovrin:

Caesar Augustus didnt cross the Rubicon till after the battle was won.

Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon, the border between Cisapaline Gaul and Rome, thus violating a law that prevented Roman armies marching on Rome. With that he declared war on Rome. It wasn't a battle site as far as I know.
Caesar Augustus (the first one) didn't do this. He was Julius Caesar's nephew, I believe.

524. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath

Comment #79291 by BAEOZ on October 16, 2007 at 6:24 pm

Thanks Russell. I think that was sort of what I was getting at, but from a different angle. The moment someone says fine tuning I think of the sentient puddle. The point being that we see fine tuning as designed for us, but instead, we were "designed" by fine tunning (or the symetry of 4 dimensional universe) or whatever Victor Stenger thinks :)
Reminds me of people who say proof of god is that love exists in the universe! Fuck me, that's only proof that we describe various neurological processes by a common idea isn't it?

525. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath

Comment #79281 by BAEOZ on October 16, 2007 at 5:20 pm

Russell Blackford:

"Well, Mr Hitchens, what's your contrived explanation for the fact that Planck's constant is just right? What about the amount of dark matter in the universe?....

Rhetorically good, but I'd never thought you'd argue that because we're ignorant that means god exists....;)
By the way, isn't the fine tuning argument defeated by the understanding that most universal constants are only units of measurement and the few that really are constant have to be that way because of the breaking of symmetry of a universe with 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time? That of course can for part of deism I suppose.....

526. Deep in the Sea, Imagining the Cradle of Life on Earth

Comment #79048 by BAEOZ on October 16, 2007 at 1:48 am

Humpf! Science! How can this compare to a petty middle eastern sky god an his little concerns?

527. Report on Hindu god Ram withdrawn

Comment #79021 by BAEOZ on October 15, 2007 at 10:50 pm

C. Montgomery burns:

It was the best of times. It was the blurst of times... You stupid monkey!

528. Report on Hindu god Ram withdrawn

Comment #78990 by BAEOZ on October 15, 2007 at 5:06 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama%27s_Bridge
Looks cool in the photos on wikipedia. I'm not sure dredging a small channel in one of the parts that is already 30ft deep would destroy whole structure, but I'm not an expert. Only studied geology for a few years.........

529. Richard Dawkins receives the Deschner Prize

Comment #78779 by BAEOZ on October 14, 2007 at 10:55 pm

Giordano Bruno:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

Well done Richard. You finialized your tour of Australia yet? (hint :)

531. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #78093 by BAEOZ on October 11, 2007 at 7:19 pm

Nite Revcort. I wasn't attacking you, just trying to have fun with the arguments of free will and evil and all that.

532. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #78087 by BAEOZ on October 11, 2007 at 7:10 pm

Hi Revcort, how's it going?

But does that mean our attitude should be, "Well, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't!"? Not at all. How do you know that God is not using the very things you are enduring to reach out to you?

Let me get this straight. God has already decided our fate. But, we suck up to god because, oh wait, because he might be reaching out to us to tell us what? He's already decided. It doesn't matter if I kill a million puppy dogs, god has already decided if I go to heaven or hell. There is no free will. It's god's fault that I killed those puppy dogs. God is powerless too, because he's already decided and can't change. Further, he's an evil fellow who decided we're all bad because one person made an error, and he's punishing the lot of us. Nasty person this god.

533. Muslims tell Christians: 'Make peace with us or survival of world is at stake'

Comment #78074 by BAEOZ on October 11, 2007 at 6:19 pm

Did I just see four horsemen riding by?
There'll be some fundy chrisitians who love this letter.....Sad

534. Why Christians should take Richard Dawkins seriously

Comment #78061 by BAEOZ on October 11, 2007 at 5:32 pm

I support the move to put up a standard rebuttal page to trolls' arguments as suggested above. The trolls will be back when they need to feed their narcisistic egos.....

535. The New Atheism: An Interview with Mitchell Cohen

Comment #78058 by BAEOZ on October 11, 2007 at 5:21 pm

I liked this interview alot. There are some smart, lucid buggers out there.

No. The question presumes that scientific research is the epistemological equivalent of religious belief. The starting point of any scientist is that he or she can be proven wrong.

What a comeback! Scientific research != religious belief!

V. I got Lilla's book last night. Have to study for exams so won't get to read it in a hurry. I've bought heaps of books on philosophy and science lately that I'll be spending most of the free time I have between the end of semester this year and start next year reading. My ambitions outweigh my reading potiential!

536. How China Got Religion

Comment #78054 by BAEOZ on October 11, 2007 at 4:58 pm

This does demonstrate that the political correct who say we must tolerate other points of view and truth is relative help pernicuous world views to germinate and prosper in the west. It's also insulting to the people being tolerated that they can't be told the truth because it will upset them.
Scrap that last paragraph. It's entirely too serious for my persona on this website. Probably wrong too. :)

537. Why Christians should take Richard Dawkins seriously

Comment #77824 by BAEOZ on October 10, 2007 at 6:04 pm

Steve99, I'm not knocking you man. You, and many others have far greater knowledge of science and logic than I. If you think it's necessary to counter Danielos, that's what you should do. I just put my point of view across.

538. 'Dirty War' priest gets life term

Comment #77814 by BAEOZ on October 10, 2007 at 5:01 pm

Just to further demonstrate the nasty morality of the catholic church uses:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/pells-hell-liberal-catholics-out-for-a-quack/2007/10/10/1191695993810.html
I sent the link to Josh, not sure if he'll post it.

539. Why Christians should take Richard Dawkins seriously

Comment #77812 by BAEOZ on October 10, 2007 at 4:50 pm

If you feed a troll, he'll return. Operant conditioning (B.F. Skinner and all that). Danielos thrives on the argument. He doesn't need an answer, he just wants engagement. I suggest we ignore the troll no matter what thread he pops up in. If this can be done, he'll get no more reward (continued pointless debate) and go....

540. 'Dirty War' priest gets life term

Comment #77807 by BAEOZ on October 10, 2007 at 4:32 pm

A tragedy for the people involved. Nothing new here as far as the catholic church is concerned. It aided and abetted the Nazis, helped along los Reyes Monarcos in the inquisition, Spain under Franco, similar stuff in Rwanda etc ad nauseum.
I think the church is quite happy to help dictators and those who'd control. It gives them a say in how peoples lives are run.

541. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #77610 by BAEOZ on October 9, 2007 at 8:41 pm

recort:

how in the world have I not been labeled a troll yet?

Coz you're cute and cuddly?

Oxytocin, I get my biases mixed up. I'm just a biased kind of guy. I study them for exams, but they slip after a few months without thinking about them :)
Don't cry, I'm sure your good behaviour will allow you to stay on this site, but with much less prestige of course.

542. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #77604 by BAEOZ on October 9, 2007 at 8:22 pm

Oh bugger, oxcytocin I accidently clicked the page and hit offensive on one of your posts. Sorry! Hope they don't think you're a troll.

543. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #77603 by BAEOZ on October 9, 2007 at 8:19 pm

I use the availably heuristic to attribute my love of beer to the fact that it's readily available here in OZ.
Just kidding. I know people who think their life is cursed. They only ever notice bad things and when good things happen ignore them. I guess revcort is doing the same, ignoring the misses and recording the hits as it were.

544. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #77601 by BAEOZ on October 9, 2007 at 8:15 pm

Goldy it all makes sense now. I've never thought that I'd doing anything extravagantly successful in my life. I don't mean I wouldn't have a successful life, just that I'd be one of billions who go about life and make what they can of it, eventually to pass away and soon be forgotten as those who knew me passed too. So, that explains why I. God has no use for me, I'm mediocre. Nothing great happening 'round here. :)

545. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #77597 by BAEOZ on October 9, 2007 at 7:57 pm

Revcort, how you going? Just reading your last post.
In it you appear quite egotistical. God did all these things for you but meanwhile millions suffered and died. It would seem you're quite special and your god capriciously cruel or you want to feel like your life has meaning. Anyway, that's what I got from reading it. Probably says a lot about me too. :)

546. Ayaan Hirsi Ali: abandoned to fanatics

Comment #77563 by BAEOZ on October 9, 2007 at 5:15 pm

I still need an explanation why she, while protesting against Muslim extremists, worked for Christian extremists, American Enterprise Institute?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend perhaps? Seriously, political motives require people to get down amongst the less than perfect to get out a worthwhile message.

547. Interview with Richard Dawkins

Comment #76933 by BAEOZ on October 7, 2007 at 9:35 pm

Robert Maynard:

Has anyone else heard Jeff Wayne's musical rendition of War of the Worlds? Richard Burton narrates the story.

Yes. I have it at home. Always liked Richard Burton's voice. I went to see the live concert (with some different singers for obvious reasons and the animated head of Richard Burton) and was underwhelmed. Sound problems made it suck a bit. Anyway....

548. I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer

Comment #76698 by BAEOZ on October 6, 2007 at 6:42 pm

Richard, you mammal. Man, haven't seen a pair of mammaries like that, in well, in a long time. I see you've also had work done on other parts of you physiology. A name change may be in order.

549. I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer

Comment #76628 by BAEOZ on October 6, 2007 at 1:15 pm

BaronOchs:

does catholic teaching actually insist the creation of a new organism must be impossible?

I honestly have no idea. Catholics are good at accommodating science whilst maintaining that god somehow did it (I was raised a catholic, so I have some idea but an not an expert.)
I could easily imagine them saying that god "inspired the hand" of a scientist who created a new organism. Problem solved.
Other Christians might say Satan "inspired the hand" and new life would be the devils work. In any case, I'm pretty sure it can be accommodated into a theistic world view.

550. I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer

Comment #76619 by BAEOZ on October 6, 2007 at 12:58 pm

smartypants:

Wait and see how another goal-posts is going to be moved by the religious to accommodate this.

GBG:
No doubt we will get some bizarre rationalisation from the religious that allows them to carry on believing primitive myths in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary.


Found this:
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/10/06/ciencia/1191695534.html?a=c403d05e1c6dd3cf6cfc9ea3c16ab680&t=1191699915

CIUDAD DEL VATICANO.- "Lo que ha logrado -John Craig Venter- es un organismo genéticamente modificado de algo que ya existía, no la creación de un nuevo organismo", ha explicado el genetista católico Angelo Vescovia a Radio Vaticano, preguntado sobre el polémico anuncio de la creación del primer cromosoma sintético del científico estadounidense.

"No ha descubierto absolutamente nada de nuevo", señaló Vescovia, del 'Istituto San Raffaele' de Milán. Según el genetista italiano, este avance no se trata de un descubrimiento "que abra nuevas perspectivas para hacer cosas actualmente impensables".


Oh you want a translation? Only if you pay me.....


Vatican City. - "What he's achieved - John Craig Venter - is a genetically modified organism of something that already existed, not the creation of a new organism", the catholic geneticist Angelo Vescovia explained to Vatican Radio, when asked about the polemic announcement of the creation of the first synthetic chromosome by the American scientist.
"He absolutely hasn't discovered anything new", signaled Vescovia, from the 'Institute of San Raffaele' in Milan. According to the Italian geneticist, this advance is not a discovery "that opens new perspectives to create unthinkable things right now."


So there you have from the Vatican: Steady as she goes. Could someone please rearrange the deck chairs? They seem to be transubstantiating into water.