501. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #172977 by Tyler Durden on April 30, 2008 at 8:12 am

seeker,

Since I believe I may be in the 99% majority on this one...

That's the Argumentum ad populum. Popular belief does not establish truth in matters, evidence does.

Not to mention the Argument from irrelvant statistics: Where exactly did you get that figure of 99% from??? Can I check it?

There was a time when the majority of people on this Earth thought it was flat - they were wrong! The evidence for a round Earth proved they were wrong.

I provided links earlier to the date of the Earth, and The Universe.

The Burden of Proof is still on you to back up your claim. Unless of course, you don't have any.

502. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #172959 by Tyler Durden on April 30, 2008 at 7:54 am

seeker_of_truth,

(An oxymoron if I ever read one!)

Enough with the "poor me" routine. Your "I am done responding to any of your posts until this time tomorrow." line was simply misread by people here (including me). Get. Over. It.

If you are of the opinion the Earth is at least 4,500 years old, please provide peer-reviewed papers and sources for this assertion.

503. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #172847 by Tyler Durden on April 30, 2008 at 6:06 am

Comment #172786 by seeker_of_truth

I believe both the universe and our planet are at least 4500 years old and beyond that, the sky's [and the theories are] the limits.

This isn't an answer, it's the fallacy of Ignoratio Elenchi. Not to mention Moving the Goalposts.

seeker,

Imagine you were asked by a government official, a prospective date/partner, or during a job interview how old you were. And you answered: "I am at least 10 years old and beyond that, the sky's the limits."

Talk about evading the issue!

Your "belief" is wrong. Sorry to break it to you. The planet Earth is at least 4.1 billion years old, perhaps up to 4.6 billion:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html

"The oldest rocks on Earth, found in western Greenland, have been dated by four independent radiometric dating methods at 3.7-3.8 billion years. Rocks 3.4-3.6 billion years in age have been found in southern Africa, western Australia, and the Great Lakes region of North America. These oldest rocks are metamorphic rocks but they originated as lava flows and sedimentary rocks. The debris from which the sedimentary rocks formed must have come from even older crustal rocks. The oldest dated minerals (4.0-4.2 billion years) are tiny zircon crystals found in sedimentary rocks in western Australia."

http://geology.wr.usgs.gov/parks/gtime/ageofearth.pdf

The Universe is at least 11 billion years old, perhaps up to 14.5 billion (some say 20 billion):

"The universe is 13.73 billion years old, give or take 120 million years, astronomers said last week."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/science/space/09cosmos.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/age_universe_030103.html

504. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #172772 by Tyler Durden on April 30, 2008 at 4:36 am

Comment #172763 by clearmind

Quoted from http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v18/i2/abiogenesis.asp

Says it all really.

Next!!

505. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #172769 by Tyler Durden on April 30, 2008 at 4:33 am

clearmind,

You never told me the name of your god.

If you do not answer, my god, Qwertyaszx The Almighty, will be very angry with you. It would be best not to piss him off, he's quite an angry god. I'll do my best to plead insanity on your part, but I'm sure he knows all about you and your posts.

So, what's the name of your god?

506. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171305 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Comment #171245 by DickDawkins

LOL, gays do turn me on. But only gays of the female type.

I don't want them dead I just want them to keep their sexuality discreet, I don't go around flaunting my sexuality.

Anyone see the contradiction in these two statements? So Dick, when you say "their sexuality" you mean gay men, but not gay women??

Dick, an example if I may: imagine if you were out on a date in a bar/cafe with your girlfriend, kissing, holding hands, smooching etc., and somebody asked you to stop doing it, what would you think? Would you stop? Is this what you define as "normal" so it's ok in public?

So, if you saw two gay men in the same bar/cafe, doing the same as you and your girlfriend, you would...? Enlighten us, please.

And if the couple were lesbians, that would be fine with you? Yes?

507. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171240 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 11:41 am

Cartomancer,

No fair, I'm trying to study here, laughing out loud in the library is just not on :-)

508. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171231 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 11:34 am

DickDawkins,

Why do you hate America?

You say that you have no issues with blacks, but you seem to have issue with gays? Or is that just gays in the military? How do you know you're not working with gays?

If I may quote some of Martin Luther King to make a point:

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

See? Equal. No discrimination. Gay. Straight. Black. White. Asian.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

See? It's their character you should be interested in, not their sexual preferences. What do you care who does what to whom in the privacy of their own home? Do you have a problem with lesbians too? If so, why?

(Go on admit it Dick, you've watched some lesbian porn, and liked it, who doesn't, it's fantastic - go on admit it, we're all adults here. Share with the group)

Or is just gay men you have a problem with? Hmmm, interesting. Dr Freud, patient for you...

509. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171160 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 10:42 am

DickDawkins vomited:

What do liberals and atheists know about war and sacrifice?

Dick, try reading a newspaper:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,2510,Soldier-Sues-Army-Saying-His-Atheism-Led-to-Threats,NY-Times

Soldier Sues Army, Saying His Atheism Led to Threats

Reposted from:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/us/26atheist.html

FORT RILEY, Kan. When Specialist Jeremy Hall held a meeting last July for atheists and freethinkers at Camp Speicher in Iraq, he was excited, he said, to see an officer attending.

But minutes into the talk, the officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, began to berate Specialist Hall and another soldier about atheism, Specialist Hall wrote in a sworn statement. "People like you are not holding up the Constitution and are going against what the founding fathers, who were Christians, wanted for America!" Major Welborn said, according to the statement.

Major Welborn told the soldiers he might bar them from re-enlistment and bring charges against them, according to the statement.

Last month, Specialist Hall and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group, filed suit in federal court in Kansas, alleging that Specialist Hall's right to be free from state endorsement of religion under the First Amendment had been violated and that he had faced retaliation for his views. In November, he was sent home early from Iraq because of threats from fellow soldiers.

510. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171151 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 10:38 am

Vile Hatred Spewed Forth by DickDawkins:

I'm allowed to convey my hatred for anything and anyone just like most atheists convey their hatred for Xtians and theists.

Evidence, please. Have you met "most atheists" in order to find this nugget of information?? Did you take a poll perhaps?? How do you know this??

And I don't hate Chtistians or theists, I just pity them.

DickDawkins, you can say whatever you like... all it shows is you for what you are. Keep on talking, but remember, the empty can rattles the most.

511. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171134 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 10:26 am

Karda,

Having read your posts for quite a while now, and in particular on this thread, if you ever tire of your current profession, I'm sure you would excel as a cherry-picker extraordinaire!

"You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

512. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #171035 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 8:59 am

Comment #171032 by clearmind

clearmind,

I have no idea what you just wrote, could you please try again: what exactly are you trying to say??

513. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171022 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 8:44 am

MPhil,

I'd much rather trust a native German than you...

Now that's timing :)

514. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171014 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 8:37 am

Comment #171005 by Kardashovel

No two theists believe in exactly the same god, since the belief is something in themselves and not an attribute of God.

The No True Scotsman fallacy.

Karda, does your god know you think like this? Of course he does, he's omniscient, silly me!

It is unlikely that simply believing in Jesus will put you in that book because over a billion people believe in Jesus with all their hearts.

And as we all know, if you believe in something with all your heart, that'll make a huge difference!

So Christians should be a little more curious about what will happen to those not on the short list...

I'd be a lot happier if these Christians were more curious about the real world around them, and not the one they make up in their own mind on a daily basis.

515. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170987 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 8:08 am

DickDawkins,

I'm an atheist, not a satanist. You do know there is difference, yes?

I don't believe in gods, any of them - therefore I also don't believe in satan (or lucifer, or the devil). Do you see where this is going?

Think first, type second. Thanks for playing.

Good day!

516. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170957 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 7:25 am

According to Douglas Walton's superb book Informal Logic, arguments have four distinct stages:

http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521379253

1. Opening Stage - State your case, but moving the goalpost is not allowed.

2. Confrontational Stage - What type of dialogue is to be used (Locution, Dialogue, Commitment, Strategic), but no change in agenda.

3. Argumentation Stage - Equal time to put, and answer, all questions, BUT:
3.1 Not making a serious effort to fulfil an obligation or provide Burden of Proof is bad strategy.
3.2 Shifting the Burden of Proof to the other person is not allowed.
3.3 Appealing to external sources without supplying sources is not allowed.
3.4 Failure to reply to questions that have been asked, or being evasive, is not allowed.
3.5 Equivocation is to be avoided.

4. Closing Stage - Both parties agree dialogue is closed, without one party opting out illictly.

If we combine this with the "3 strikes and you're out/ignored" rule, perhaps we might finally get some answer from any visiting theists?

Well, we can but hope :)

517. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170947 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 7:02 am

shinewithjoy,

Did you also know that global temperatures have risen due the lack of pirates in the world today?

http://asecondhandconjecture.com/index.php/2008/04/04/more-correlation-between-pirates-and-global-warming/

Damn those pirates! :-)

Any luck with the actual sources for your assertions?

518. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #170936 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 6:44 am

clearmind,

I believe in Qwertyaszx The Almighty, a very powerful God, that would kick Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah's ass and steal his lunch-money.

I know Qwertyaszx The Almighty is real for I feel his presence in my heart, and in my soul. I just know he exists and loves me. But please, don't ask me for proof or evidence, he's sneaky about revealing himself.

Which god do you believe in?

519. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170930 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 6:35 am

Steve,

Was that t-shirt ever worn by Adam Savage on "Mythbusters"? :) It looks familiar.

520. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170908 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 6:15 am

Comment #170891 by el Heffe

I am here looking for answers and RD didn't have them.

Have you read any of the articles on this site with regard to evolution by natural selection, or the origin of life on Earth? (Please note, they are two different propositions)

The "interviews" in the movie "Expelled" were edited and taken out of context. If you are looking for Richard Dawkins's opinion on a particular subject, why not pick up one of his books and find out. Or email him? Or check the web links on this site?

Go to the source itself - not a 3rd-party, pro-creationist, anti-evolution "movie" like "Expelled".

521. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170867 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 5:39 am

Comment #170864 by shinewithjoy

How is it that rates of depression, violent crimes, teenage pregnancies, and STI/STD's have risen dramatically since prayer was taken out of school?

shinewithjoy, do you have any evidence for this assertion, or is it just your opinion?

Where did you source this information from? Can you provide the website(s) or books so I can investigate this further.

Thanks.

522. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170862 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 5:33 am

el Heffe,

The real irony here is that you think you're actually making a cogent argument, when in fact you're quite insane!

Can you explain to me who exactly is the "intelligence" behind "Intelligent Design"?? Thanks.

523. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170849 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 5:13 am

Comment #170843 by riandouglas

Shouldn't have gone with the budget ticket, but you know Yahweh!

Are we to assume that Jesus could allegedly walk on water, rise from the dead, and ascend bodily into heaven - but couldn't teleport around the Earth to announce his existence?!?!

Superman did it in "Supeman II" - teleport, not ascend bodily into heaven :)

524. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170839 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 5:02 am

Comment #170833 by ForestMist

And why did Jesus only appear in Israel and not turn up in other continents to make sure that everyone knew about him at the same time?

Becuase he had a lousy agent and terrible PR manager? :)

525. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170825 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 4:16 am

Adam,

Many thanks for your apology. Stick around, you'll find some of the topics discussed here very interesting. If in doubt, ask questions, there are more than enough people here eager and able to help with any of your enquiries.

On a side note, can you have a quick word with our friend Remnant :-)

526. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170805 by Tyler Durden on April 28, 2008 at 3:24 am

Comment #170479 by melissajoy1234

Hi Melissa,

Welcome to RD.net

If I can make just a few comments on your post:

I do have one piece, you may take it or leave it. I was blessed enough to be raised in a Christian home with a long Christian heritage. However, my grandfather was not a Christian in his early years. He was a good man, served his country in the US Army during World War II earning a purple heart, but didn't come to faith in Jesus until his thirties. A man he worked with died suddenly, and it was at his funeral that my Pappaw realized something in his life was missing, and that his last day could be any minute. He heard the message of Jesus at this man's funeral, and right then and there accepted it.

Argumentum ad misercordiam - an appeal to pity or emotions: This is a touching story, but does not count as evidence as would be used in the scientific method.

He no longer was an alcoholic

Sorry, Melissa, as the child of alcoholic parents, I can tell you that alcoholics remain alcoholics for all their lives, it's a disease, there is no known cure. While your Pappaw may have been a recovering alcoholic i.e. he never drank again, he most certainly was still an alcoholic.

And again, this is not evidence for your god, merely Wishful Thinking on your part. My mother kicked the habit for 3 years before it finally killed her.

Would you take my word for it, based only on my personal experience, that your god does not exist, due to the fact that my mother died due to liver cancer? Well? I don't think so. This is why arguments from pity and personal experience are fallacious, and inherently weak. You'll need to do better than that to convince me, and many other here.

and he started going to church and being kinder to his family. He raised four children and had nine grandchildren.

I know lots of people who do exactly the same but who do not believe, or feel the need to believe in your god. Melissa, your confusing emotions with evidence.

The proof I have of God's existance is this: on my Pappaw's last day on this earth, he (whose brain was eaten up by Alzheimers and who the day before didn't even know who or what God was), was able to actually speak normally (which he hadn't done in months) and could NOT stop smiling. He told us what he was seeing: crystal clear water "look at that water! Beautiful water!" he kept saying, he saw other Christian people in his life "There's Douglas!"
he said, who was his brother, and "Cecil!" who was his father-in-law, he saw apple orchards, and described everything, begging for us to come with him. That moment in time, that one day, was a gift from God to our family.

This is not evidence, this is Wishful Thinking on your part. You have no way of corroborating this account with actual facts. Your Pappaw could have easily been hallucinating all of this. Was he on any medication at the time?

God allowed us to see a glimpse of heaven from our Pappaw's eyes. That was all the physical proof I will ever need.

Do you claim to know the mind of your god? How do you know this? Seriously, evidence for this... or is this just your assumptions showing??

Stryer: You asked me to prove God's existance without quoting my "Biblical fairytale." I think the paragraph above was a good effort. It's enough for me, at least.

Argument from Personal Bias. This is not evidence as it cannot be independently corroborated.

We are ALL guilty. All of us. None of us are innocent.

Melissa, being only 38 years of age, I wasn't actually around 3,000 years ago, or whenever the "Adam and Eve" fairy tale was supposed to have taken place, therefore I am guilty of nothing.

Sin entered the world through the deception of Satan to Adam and Eve. I don't resent Adam or Eve for that. They are human, just like us.

"Adam and Eve" is a fairy tale, taking the discussion of morality any further based on that is pointless. Next!

RolandF: Evolution is hard for me to believe, just as the Bible is hard for you to believe. We'll just leave it at that.

False Dichotomy - a misleading account of the available alternatives. Melissa, perhaps you don't understand evolution? It's a process, it's how science explains the origin of the species here on Earth. It's not about "belief" as you seen to think, but facts. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, check out your local library, bookstore, or some of the web links here on RD.net

Or if you have questions about evolution, feel free to ask anyone here. There is nothing wrong with not knowing something, however, compounding that ignorance by not accepting scientific evidence and facts for evolution (or a round Earth, or gravity etc) is somthing else. "The beginning of wisdom is to admit your ignorance" Socrates

Why did an all-powerful and all-knowing God do that? I don't know, but I accept it with an open and glad heart. I thank Him for loving and caring about me that much. And this one DOES deliver. . .eternal life with God, your creator, in paradise forever. Is forever boring? I've heard people say that. . .eternity would be boring. YOU WILL BE IN THE VERY PRESENCE OF GOD! Nothing boring whatsoever about that!

Another appeal to emotion, no facts, no evidence, just your opinion. Melissa, I don't really care what is "in your heart", or what you "feel is true", what I am interested in is what you can prove, thru evidentiary means, testable, predictable, quantifiable. Warm, fuzzy feelings are not evidence.

Everyone will be given the opportunity to accept or reject. Therein lies the free will of man. God knows who will and who won't reject Him beforehand, yes. But we don't. Does that mean we are chosen? Maybe. Maybe not. That's something only God knows. And I trust that He's just in ALL that He does.

Melissa, I've read your bible (I was brought up Catholic before finally seeing sense) and studied it thoroughly, still do to this day, so let me say this: if your god exists, ands is the same god from the bible, that same sick, twisted, murdering, homicidal maniac - then I reject him. Completely. That is my free will. If your god cannot accept that, then he can move on and leave me alone!

527. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168901 by Tyler Durden on April 25, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Dr. Benway,

It's also the Cognitive dissonance that theists show on a daily, no, hourly rate, that really gets to me. No matter what you can show them through evidentiary means, they will somehow manage to twist it around, or simply ignore it, in order to hang onto their beliefs.

All the while keeping their head in the sand, or in the clouds.

528. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168886 by Tyler Durden on April 25, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Shaden,

Well, I suppose one of us was imaginary, but it certainly wasn't me!! Might've been Helena Bonham Carter :-)

529. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168854 by Tyler Durden on April 25, 2008 at 12:03 pm

Remnant,

A quick question on homosexuality.

According to Leviticus: I should kill my room-mate who's gay

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)

as well as his friend, who both stayed over at last night and slept together. In the same room. In the same bed.

When I go home tonight, should I kill them both then or wait for your god to do it.

Yours,
Confused in Dublin.

530. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168843 by Tyler Durden on April 25, 2008 at 11:51 am

Remnant,

Is that your cake I smell burning? :-)

On a more serious note: how old do you consider the Earth to be:

A) 6,000 years old
B) 4.6 billion years old
C) Somewhere in-between

531. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #168006 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 1:17 pm

Diacanu,

Are you saying that TheTruthID actually believes in evolution?

Cool, we can all go home :)

Maybe it's just RD playing games with us?

532. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167989 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 1:09 pm

I get the distinct impression that TheTruthID wasn't accidentally dropped on his head as a baby - he was actually thrown!!

533. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167972 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Al,

Forget Jesus as a role model, I'm taking Batman as mine.

Orphaned as a youngster and look what he made of himself, that's who we should be teaching kids to be like. That Jesus dude made a lot of speeches, went walking a lot, and made some fish sandwiches, and was a fecking zombie - whereas Batman has a cape, ran a business, and had lots of cool gadgets!!!

Not to mention the fact that Batman has had far more decent movies made about him, whereas Jesus can't seem to catch a break at the multiplex. I blame Mel :)

(With due respect to comedian Dylan Moran :)

534. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167949 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Comment #167930 by gr8hands

Tyler Durden, it appears that your prayers to Qwertyaszx the Almighty were answered, and your prayers to jehovah were ignored. What ritual of praise to Qwertyaszx will you do now?

I will drink a beer in honour of his mighty power, as is the custom in these parts. All hail Qwertyaszx the Almighty :)

Always knew that Jehovah guy never existed.

535. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167869 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 11:45 am

Comment #167825 by Remnant on April 24, 2008 at 11:08 am

Well kids, It has been a blast. Gotta go for now.
See you later.

Remnant,

I will now pray to my God, Qwertyaszx the Almighty, that you return safely to this forum.

I will also pray to this God, Jehovah/Yahweh, that you seem to think exists, asking that you never return to this forum.

Let's see which God answers my prayers...

536. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167599 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 7:46 am

seeker_of_truth,

Anyway, of all people, I find the arguments of Chuck Norris interesting in this regard as he reviews the movie, Expelled

Not that I take any notice of the "career" of Chuck Norris, but has he suddenly started teaching constitutional law at Harvard, or reviewing movies for the New York Times?

If he hasn't, why in the world would his opinion on teaching religion in the classroom be of any interest to you? Or is it just because you agree with his opinion?

As for the Tenth Amendment: didn't the Dover trial blow the idea of ID in the classroom out of the water?

537. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167593 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 7:28 am

Comment #167576 by Remnant

God created man to have fellowship with Him.

Awww, is your God lonely? Or just bored?

Got any evidence of this, or do you claim to actually know the mind of your God??

How do you know your God did not "create" humans as some kind of sick experiment? We could all be just ants in his giant ant-farm.

You're simply using Wishful Thinking to make your "case". You don't have any evidence for what you say or posit, nada, zip, zero, so you simply type what you hope is true.

Are you 12 years of age?

538. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167581 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 7:19 am

Comment #167556 by seeker_of_truth:

Anyway, of all people, I find the arguments of Chuck Norris interesting in this regard as he reviews the movie, Expelled

With regard to Chuck Norris (wow, never thought I'd be typing that sentence on this particular website, but I digress...)

He uses the logical fallacy of "Begging the question" in his quote:

If America's Founding Fathers espoused openness to religion, creationism and the Bible being taught in schools, then it beckons the question, Why don't we?

Although he phrases it as "beckons the question" which I assume is his "down home" country style of "begs the question".

By commiting this fallacy, his "argument" falls apart. He simply wants "creationism and the Bible being taught in schools" and uses the Founding Fathers to make his point. But that wasn't their point - so he also makes another fallacy, that of ignoratio elenchi, or Missing the Point.

EDIT: I see epeeist got there before me :)

539. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167484 by Tyler Durden on April 24, 2008 at 5:14 am

*peeks out from behind the sofa*

Is he still here?
Answered any questions yet?

:-)

540. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166856 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Comment #166839 by TheTruthID

Digital,

Do you really think your analogies make sense in comparison to beginning of life and evolution?

Ah, so you do see the difference between the "beginning of life and evolution".

Finally, a lightbulb moment. Eureka! Insight at last. Perhaps we can all go home now :)

541. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166848 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Comment #166797 by TheTruthID

Tyler Durden,

More gibberish. These concepts might be different but are at the utmost relevant to each other. How life began is the ultimate question. Stir things up? Please. That's the biggest problem with evolution THEORY, the fact that how it all began is so relevant that evolutionists need to ignore it to remain sane and try to sound intelligent.

Oh boy!

Just because you don't understand something does not make it "gibberish". That's the Argument from Personal Incredulity.

You're confusing two different concepts, evolution and abiogenesis, I merely pointed this out to you. Your ignorance on the matter is your problem, not mine.

Try reading up on the subjects at hand before posting.

542. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166808 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Comment #166798 by Remnant

God created man in His image.

Evidence, please.

Does your God also have an appendix he doesn't need, or a blind spot in his eye? Why?

Are you saying your God has a tailbone?

Or are you being metaphorical??

543. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166792 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 12:34 pm

MPhil,

No fair, you used logic and rationality - Remnant will never understand all that :-)

544. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166782 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Comment #166765 by TheTruthID

Evolutionists are calling into question the education and professions of many in return. And you consider your theory serious. You can't even explain how life originated in the first place.

TheTruthID,

Perhaps you are not aware of what Darwinian evolution by Natural Selection actually posits? Do you?

You are confusing Darwinian evolution by Natural Selection i.e.the origin of species, with Abiogenesis i.e.how life first began on Earth.

These two concepts are completely different. Darwin was not concerned with how life first emerged on the Earth approx 3.6 billion years ago, but how it had evolved once it had begun.

Do you see the difference? Are you looking to learn the difference? Or are you just looking to stir things up here?

545. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166710 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 11:47 am

Comment #166694 by Remnant

With a creator God, your slime plus time theory of evolution leaves you captive to chemical responses that have "evolved". You are a slave to chemical reactions. You have no free will to make any choices. You become a robot.

Not so. Everytime humans use contraception, we are defying these "chemical reactions" that would have us reproduce.

The ironic thing is that without God, there is no free will.

Huh? I live my life without your "god", yet I have free will. Wrong again.

And Remnant, can you please answer my quesion with regard to your appendix, eye, and tailbone? Why are you avoiding the issue? Please explain why you have them and their uses.

Thanks.

546. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166580 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 10:12 am

Remnant,

As you are still here, can you please answer my questions with regard to your appendix, eye, and tailbone?

Why do you have them? What are their uses? Why did your God design you that way?

Thanks.

547. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166568 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 10:01 am

Comment #166560 by TheTruthID

The only conclusion science evidence draws is a designed universe and life.

This is simply your assumption. And it's incorrrect.

The actual scientific evidence says different. What evidence are you refering to? Please quote examples... and sources.

548. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #166554 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 9:52 am

Comment #166543 by TheTruthID

I am stating the fact of a supernatural designer of life derived from the scientific evidence.

And this evidence would be...?

Sources, please.

549. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166478 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 9:08 am

Comment #166450 by Remnant

The fall of man and the resulting deterioration of DNA

Not sure you've answered my question. The so-called "fall of man" is a fairy tale, but I'm actually looking for scientific, logical answers.

Please explain what you mean by "deterioration of DNA". Is that a technical term? Which chromosomes do you refer to? Are you refering to base modifications or actual mutations in the chromatin structure itself?

I'll ask again:

Do you believe that your God designed your appendix, the blind spot in your eye, and your cocycx (tailbone)?

If so, why?

Why is your God punishing you for something that didn't happen, and even if it did, was before you were born and so beyond your control?

550. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166436 by Tyler Durden on April 23, 2008 at 8:45 am

Comment #166411 by Remnant

I feel that the holes, and they are numerous in this UNPROVEN THEORY, should be presented and discussed openly...

Hi Remnant,

Can you please point out, in your own words, some of these "holes" that exist in Darwinian evolution by Natural Selection.

If they are "numerous", can you list them for us?

I understand there are a multitude of websites out there that attempt to cover this (yet fail miserably), but I'm more interested in your findings.

Do you have any?