Comments by BillySands

Comment #147691 by BillySands on March 21, 2008 at 6:11 am

So tell me: what gives you jaundice, loss of appetite, fever, tenderness in the upper abdomen, nausea, urine that is black, and ISN'T hepatitis in an area where it is rife, and just after that person's "insurance" from gamma-globulin had run out? Come on: yellow fever? Bilharzia? What? Or was Alistair (and others) somehow FAKING?

Yellow fever could be a candidate, but you still have no diagnosis - you cant say it was hepatitis. A concurrent Schistosoma haematobium infection (or any of several possible concurrent infections) could account for some of the other symptoms. Did you rule out schisto by looking for eggs in urine or faeces?

NO diagnosis, no miracle I'm affraid

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Comment #147682 by BillySands on March 21, 2008 at 5:53 am

As this was the Sudan/Ethiopia border I think we have to dispense with any idea of seeing a qualified, western-educated MD. (Kind of why these workers/teachers relied on local "expertise" in the first place. does that seem logical to you?)

So are you saying that you did not have a proper viriological diagnosis then?

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Comment #147678 by BillySands on March 21, 2008 at 5:51 am

Often these kind of questions are side issues which distract from the main purpose of the thread - and usually they are no more than accusation just picked up from Wikipedia or an atheist apologist website (the approach Billy takes). However in your case these are real questions and really important issues and so I don't want to avoid them.

Hey sad sack, which part of mixmaster doing a theology PhD were you unable to understand.
I do not get my stuff from wiki - does that somehow pass as a refutation of my points?
Lets take your the earth was different before the fall idiocy - I happen to have studied zoology, geology and chemistry at univerity, so I guess that makes me a little more informed on the subject than someone who believes the bible actually has something to say about the pre- human earth - You really are pretty sad if you cant see that. It must be great thinking that statement passes as a refutation - you must be in a constant ignorance induced coma of bliss.

Now, explain to us all how asking how reliable the bible is is not CENTRAL to your case?

Now where did you give a substantial argument against his case in your patronising tirade?
At least you realise the bible is dodgy - honestly, claiming he did not have a proper background - you make me laugh - not in a good way. If only we all were as perfect as you - eh Dave?

Personally, I would like to know, where was god when all this "bad " teaching went on - out having a chug?

As a historian I would have been very suspicious of four separate accounts that were all the same! The differing four accounts ironically make more sense

Cough! bullshit! They are not reconcilable. Why dont you tell us in your own words so we can all see. Remember you told me to check out Ramsey's book concerning quirinius - it was well dodgy, and when I refuted it, you got abusive and threw your toys out the pram.

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Comment #147652 by BillySands on March 21, 2008 at 4:30 am

One example of epigenetics I have always found interesting is distinctly Lamarckian - the transmission of patterns of cilia on the surfaces of single-celled organisms such as Paramecium. Existing cilia act as templates for the formation of new ones, so there is reproduction of an important structural feature that does not directly involve DNA.

Ah yes, should have remembered that one.

There are a whole load of epigenetic modifications that can alter expression or transcription rates of genes, including methylation/acetylation/ubiquitylation of the histones too. I think it is a fertile area of investigation.

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Comment #147646 by BillySands on March 21, 2008 at 3:59 am

One man who is a top research scientist told me that I could not use his name because of the harm it would do to his career - but that as a leading biologist there were aspects of evolutionary theory that he had doubts about.

Would this be the paranoid creationist biochemist that you know?

Without a name we cant even tell if he is indeed a top scientist - so you cant even use it as a fallacious argument from authority.

Maybe he should read matt 10:33 ""But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven."
Just a thought.
Why dont you get him to appear on site - he can use a pseudonym like paranoidcreationist, or since he is puting his career before jesus, how about hellboundcreationist.

Steve

Have you come across much in the way of epigenetic inheritance of characteristics? It's something I've not really looked into, but saw some interesting results concerning inheritance of human morphological changes in relation to famine that were thought to be epigenetic.
Obviousy, genes still ultimately control this, but it may allow for subtle changes to occur - it may even partially acount for rapid morphological changes like the species flocks of lake victoria.

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Comment #147636 by BillySands on March 21, 2008 at 3:22 am

Hey David,

Do you think your children should be taught islam and forced to observe ramadan - like we were forced to pray, or do you really mean freedom to be taught your dogma alone?

How about making students opt into all sorts of prayers, rather than having them opt out?

Infact, how about keeping religion out of school? Lets let your lot indoctrinate them?

Some how, I think you really mean you want your brand alone FORCED on children.

Dont forget all those other challenges to you now - we want to see those arguments that we cant handle.

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Comment #147376 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 8:43 am

To wit, irate_junior.

Is he a little peeved?

Please, no. Don't tell me there's more bible to come!!!

Grandson of bible - This time its total bollocks!

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Comment #147369 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 8:27 am

Are you suggesting it's complete bollocks from end to end? Surely not?

In the words of the Henry the mild mannered janitor "could be".

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Comment #147363 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 8:11 am

150,000 textual variations of which only 400 alter any meaning in the passge but none of them change a belief.

Try the Johannine comma

For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1 John 5:7-8

The bold part does not appear in the earliest manuscripts and only appears in some latin translations. It is the main trinitarian verse of the bible.

(IE why does God in the OT seem cruel even by our standards)

Is this an admission that you dont see him as the wonderful god that robertson does?

However, the "by our standards" bit is interesting. Does it highlight a presupposition that he must be just? What is your evidence for this? How do you know that he is just not truly evil in a way that is beyond human understanding?

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Comment #147296 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 6:01 am

slightly off topic, but this account of healing by Vespasian is relevant to the idea of witness reliability and the gospels

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2008/03/historical-reliability.html

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Comment #147283 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 5:35 am

Ok, I will delete my post then. :) Since Billy quoted mine he may want to edit that part out.

I'll remove mine too

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Comment #147282 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 5:32 am

Not that I'm trying to add fuel to the fire or anything, but he also said that science will NEVER be able to explain consciousness without God.

Yeah, it must be in the "Being a fundamentalist for dummies" handbook. Another argument from ignorance for the ignorant by the ignorant.

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Comment #147279 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 5:26 am

Tyler,
what a splended idea. He certainly needs it. He hasnt got a clue. Have you read his pish that the planet was a different place before the fall - no nasty tsunamis or erthquakes etc. What an embarassment to believe such feeble minded drivel because you need to conform to a religios view - and in his case one that relegates humanity to something corrupt.

David, the next time you take a walk, look to the 400 million year old volcanic plug that is Dundee Law.

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Comment #147259 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 4:51 am

David, say thankyou to Dr Nev.

See, atheists do care about the less fortunate

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Comment #147253 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 4:39 am

Tyler,
we can only hope that this site helps him see his need for help, but with the table analogy, and his admitted ignorance of biology, he is perhaps too far gone.

David, did you know the bible says that you have inherited a meme?

Proverbs 22:6 2Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, HE will NOT depart from it.

Presumably women are different. So, your beliefs are a meme brought about by indoctrination - it says so in the bible - and you cant disagree with that - oh, but wait a minute, it says you will not depart from it. Hmm, there's a problem - all those people who have left it - yet you have. to believe it is true and deny the obvious.

Yep, too far gone

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Comment #147239 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 4:11 am

Getting annoyed. Time for another break.

He is more to be pitied than scolded. The world must be a very confusing place for someome who needs to have an invisible friend to cope with it.

Ignorance and compartmentalisation are two big reasons why people believe in the invisible sky zombie.

Anyone know where David can get some help?

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Comment #147234 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 4:02 am

Hey Quetz, I wonder if "Ian" on your blog was actually David.

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Comment #147231 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 3:53 am

Missed this gem

You do not get life from non-life. Not one of the New Atheist writers even attempts to answer the question - how do you get life from non-life?

Erm, ever heard of the theory of abiogenesis - dipshit!

I wonder if David is deluded enough to think that if he hasn't read about it, it hasn't been written.

Here is a question I guarantee David wont answer (or am i double bluffing him - or triple bluffing....)
How Do you know you cant get life from non life?

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Comment #147222 by BillySands on March 20, 2008 at 3:33 am

Can you feel the love? Imagine what Billy would write if he did hate me!

Sorry if you think I should tolerate your lies and abuse, but that ain't going to happen - you are clearly more deluded than I realised!

Yet again you fail to rise to the challenge set to you.

Please point out in the rambling bollocks above where you actually provide your arguments.

Also, please explain why you said RD equated religion to sexual abuse of children, when he very clearly never said that

This makes me laugh.

1. Mark
2. He is.
3. Three years.
4. No.
5. Yes. But unnecessarily

Are these the weighty arguments that we can't handle? What a fucking joke

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Comment #146728 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 10:15 am

I want you to know many of my christian friends are finding it difficult to follow your slippery, confusing, (their words) interlocution. I pointed out that interlocution didn't seem to be your goal. They agreed. Things are not adding up to them. It's the re-interpretation of your previously made points that is frustrating them.

One of mine used the word muppet to describe him. This was in response to DR saying there was a witch hunt in the UK directed at creationist biochemists. Guess what my friends occupation is, and what his views on creation are david.

Tough question for you I know, so here is a hint: rearrange these words Biochemist and creationist.

DR is not behaving in a very christian manner - iis he?

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Comment #146576 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 7:50 am

MLF,

How do you know ancient ways of memorising things were more accurate than chineese whispers? There wer plenty of others gospels, so obviously the jesus myth was diverging and evolving - interestingly, if you look at the cannonical resurrection accounts, the stories become more fabulous the more recently they were written.

There is also nothing in any of the gospels that actually I dentify the authors as the assumed authors- how did they get those tags.

Doctrine played a part in the cannoisation - hence why the apocrypha are excluded

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Comment #146449 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 5:16 am

"If someone asks me where the evidence is, then I would immediately ask them to explain what they mean by evidence".

You mean he doesn't know?

This is of course an evasive response. He is the one making the assretion, so he has to present that which he thinks is evidence.

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Comment #146430 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 4:43 am

Still he is lying for Jesus.

And Peter Sutcliffe killed for Jesus. David, was he right?

Someone like Billy on stage to not so much whisper 'Bollocks' as point it out with neon and claxons.

Thanks for the vote of confidence _J_. I never had that chance when he was in Glasgow. It is a tricky one, as the evidence for evolution is there regardless of the bible. Being a purist, I dont encourage including god in evolution when there is no evidence for him (in particular the christian one).
A book of myths adds nothing to the theory.

On the other hand, Ham is another liar and a bigot and I dont like liars or bigots, but how do you argue with someone who believes that genesis is a witness account of the flood and needs no further validation?

I think the evidence has to be presented in a nontheological way - at least that way, some YECs may deconvert.

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Comment #146414 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 4:19 am

Quetz,
How stupid was his table comment! Lets leave a bath full of water for a billion years and lets see if there are any fish in it - actually, in his complete ignorance, he probably thinks that is a good point too.

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Comment #146116 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Yes it is!

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Comment #146109 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 4:05 pm

I think this is where David learned how to "argue" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM&feature=related

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Comment #145854 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 8:16 am

Do you think that because of his beliefs he can be so knowingly unpleasant and deceptive and still believe he is doing good?

Well, he does think that the baby eating - puppy drowning god of the old testament is "a God of mercy, justice, beauty, holiness and love, a God who cares passionately for the poor, for his people and for his creation"

Padded cell for robertson!

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Comment #145843 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 8:09 am

it's always fortunate when God's plan for you coincides so perfectly with what flatters your ego.

Or nurses your intolerance and phobias

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Comment #145836 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 7:51 am

Al-Rawandi

Muhammad lost to God in the last round.

I couldn't get my special fire attack to work.

I only got it to work once - by accident though. Mohammed was the one I found to be the best to fight with.

Fedlar

Sorry, David, I really don't know what you're talking about here.

I think he is being mildly racist here

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Comment #145770 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 6:02 am

Anyone waiting on David, can spend their time repeatedly punching jesus in the loin cloth here

http://flashgamesite.com/play2085game.html

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Comment #145733 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 4:07 am

You are certainly dishonest.

Yeah, and I dont think he has explained why he tried to rip off a bus driver with a dodgy cheque

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Comment #145723 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 3:38 am

I almost fell for the spoof - Pathfinder thinking he was possibly the 'Billy' of fundamentalist Christianity.

Awww, that's not very nice David. Don't you love me? That's not very christian of you is it? Do you think you reflect Jesus? He must be an ass hole too then if you are his ambassador - why would we want to know him?

Now it turns out he is just part of the CFA. Sadly it is too close to the bone - there are actually people in the Christian church who are that dumb.

More Ad homs David, thought you said you didn't indulge in that.
Dumb Christians - we might be on to something here.

Still interesting that you have now added another way to avoid discussing my arguments.

Ahem! I asked for your best argument - where is it? (any pshychologists care to analyse David?)

And still waiting for this evidence of my being a liar.

Appart from the constant streams of evidence, how about psalm 116:11 "All men are liars" (a favorite passage of a hate fulled christian I know). Don't you believe the bible? That's not very christian of you!

PS, this alcoholic communion wine of yours - that's not being sensitive to any alcoholics in your congregation- is it? I'm begining to think that christian means ass hole!

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Comment #145465 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 3:51 pm

Besides which most of my posts are serious and raise numerous points for discussion. But you refuse to do so. Why? I know the answer - I am mentally ill/evil/unchristian/an unbalanced fruitcake. But I suspect that although some may genuinely believe this - it is almost, dare I say it, a delusion - because in reality some cannot handle the points that are being made.

Believe I issued a challenge you ignored - which just showed you to be a liar - not really a challenge.
You have been challenged frequently, you could prove us wrong, but I'm guessing there is a good reason why you havent.

Come on, give us your best argument. You know, one of those ones we cant deal with - I'm on the edge of my seat.

AL-Rawandi

I think we should pull a Robertson and write an article where we take all of Pathfinder and Wooter's posts and hold them up and say: "See what theists think, this sums it up".

Lets not forget our favorite little creationist Devolved too.
What ever happened to him? Maybe he is allergic to chromosome 2, toothed chickens, ALX4 genes and Archaeopteryx,

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Comment #145137 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 9:56 am

Irate, did you see that thing on BBC2 on saturday about the "lost" gospels - very interesting stuff - some denied Jesus's humanity, suffering and death.

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Comment #145131 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 9:42 am

Fiction inspired by fiction, eh?

Fiction inspired by fiction, inspired by fiction - how else did they convert people from all those similar pagan beliefs?

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Comment #145108 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 9:10 am

Styrer - Don't be too disappointed but you do realise that J K Rowling is a practising Christian (a member of the Church of Scotland) and that she recently stated that much of Harry Potter was inspired by the Bible - and especially the last book - with its theme of resurrection?

Hey David, What about the very tolerant fundie in your church that cancelled their subscription to your comic because you were endorsing Harry Potter and witchcraft?

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Comment #145102 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 9:01 am

Number one matey, I do not HATE anyone, not even you - I am disgusted and appalled by you plus I don't trust you, but I cannot hate you.

Good on you Philip. I know plenty of hate filled christians.

Dont you love the way he is tring to demonise you.

I dont hate David either - I just think he is a slimy, lying arse

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Comment #145092 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 8:36 am

Does your pity end when the attempt is unsuccessful?

Well, he is actually told to move on
"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. (Matt 10:14)

Yet, he ignores the bible and keeps coming back! Not very christian of him, is it?

Don't you feel pity for all of those people you believe are going to burn in hell for eternity?

Nah, he thinks we deserve it, because we apparently dont want to gullibly swallow his non evidence

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Comment #145083 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 8:25 am

I posit psychosis. All the signs are there.

I was thinking more along the lines of psychotic spacktard myself

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Comment #145016 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 7:15 am

This backs up previous work which has shown African Americans may be more susceptible than Caucasians to infection, such as the gum disease bug Porphyromonas gingivalis.

Lets not forget that native americans were more susceptible to small pox than christian European conquerors too

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Comment #145012 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 7:11 am

The leader of thr First Church Of Satan wrote

Yes - I can back up my arguments. And I think there is plenty evidence. Although what I find interesting here is that when I respond on this website with lots of arguments, evidence etc it just gets met with the standard responses (Robertson is an idiot, we are so clever and lets talk about anything except the subject)

Go on then, what about isaiah 7:14, micah 5:2, the census of quirinius, paleopathology and the fall, moral absolutes?

You have not backed up a single one!

Stop lying!

BTW, this LXX that Jesus supposedly read, that wouldn't happen to be the one where methuselah survived the flood - would it? Oh and what about differences with the Masoretic text?

I expect silence of abuse over all of the above - eitherway, readers will see that you are lying about arguments

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Comment #144944 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 4:40 am

Is this your secret plot to get at us Fundamentalist Quetzalcoatlists back for all this tea business?

I thought we were Quetzalcoatalans. We better ask for His ruling on the matter. I'm glad he is real and gives clear instructions to his followers - unlike that yahweh myth.

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Comment #144587 by BillySands on March 16, 2008 at 11:25 am

Sorry, THEORY??????????

Wonder if his doctrate was actually in radiochemistry - doubt it some how

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Comment #144578 by BillySands on March 16, 2008 at 11:09 am

Hey David, hope you enjoyed the football. I thought it was funny a guy called David Robertson missed a penalty - wouldn't be the first time someone of that name failed to make an impact - eh? :-)

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Comment #144447 by BillySands on March 16, 2008 at 5:08 am

Here is orgasmatron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnSaNfG9tV4

I also quite like dear jesus by jesse james http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mQcHm2SDZk

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Comment #144348 by BillySands on March 15, 2008 at 5:10 pm

whatthe

Stop reading christian rubbish and read some proper science books if you really want to understand evolution.

By the way, try antibiotic resistance as evidence of evolution (rolls eyes in disgust at fundies)

Time to hit the malt.... (and maybe a peh or two, Billy, you join me?)

Make mine a double

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Comment #143910 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Pure peh-tastic SG. It almost hike I'm in the wrong end of tannadice again when Rangers are 4 up.

Quetz, why dont to get DR to mention his evolutionary beliefs - might turn the fundies against him :-)

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Comment #143884 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 2:44 pm

Where does DR arrive at the conclusion that Dawkins doesn't like to debate.

My guess is the imaginary pixies he keeps in his butt.

SG, nore woman know your place stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lrJg8NMsFw

:-)

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Comment #143710 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 10:08 am

wonder about the difference between animals that truly pair bond for life and those (like us) that are less prone to permanent bonds.

Interestingly, the field and meadow voles are either monogomous or polygamous (cant remember which is which at the moment). It appears that part of the vassopressin promoter controls this, and by swaping them around, you change them to the other type of beheviour. Search for the matt ridley talk on this link if you are interested.

http://www.princeton.edu/WebMedia/lectures/

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Comment #143687 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 9:56 am