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501. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161805 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 5:39 pm

But, that is not the line of this thread either. Is there an answer to the original question founded on facts available?


Try here for some evidence:

www.expelledexposed.com

I just tried the link and it does not seem to be working right now.
Sorry.

502. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161795 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Yes, you got that out before I finished typing.

I am very impressed.


Edit:

I showed

1559. Comment #161510 by Diacanu

to a guy I work with. We had a good laugh.

You are a judicious F-bomber.
Double O Diacanu.

503. Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss

Comment #161793 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 5:17 pm

Goldy,
I also have a predilection for self-worship.
I think it is my humility that most impresses me about me.

504. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161784 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm

BIH4U, I will get to your comments in a moment.

To regular posters here: Please play nice.


Comment #161771 by bringingithome4u


If science and the scientific theory of investigation are to be accurately applied in order to "discover" truth, it must be done with equal measure and always with an eye to keep open speculation on every possibility until such time as one theory is determined by proven facts to be the truth.


I think you will find that the 'theory' of evolution is a fact just as the theory of gravity is a fact.
If you have read through this thread I think you will find that what the ID people do not do is put forth any evidence of their claims. There is a mountain of evidence to support evolution from a number of different scientific areas. Scientists do research, write up papers, submit those papers for peer review, and then they are published in science journals for the scientific community to comment on.

The ID people do not generally take part in this process. They don't publish papers or do much research. They have no evidence to support their claims. This is not the case with evolution.

That's it for now. You may get other responses from those more knowledgeable than myself.

Thanks for contributing your questions.

505. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161761 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 4:09 pm

Diacnu wrote:

Heh, the women are great too.
All cuties, and best of all, anti-bimbos, every single one.


Don't tell her, but I have a mind-crush on Benway.
She makes my neurons go 'Schwing'!

506. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161745 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 3:30 pm

Comment #161721 by al-rawandi

Dude. It was a race of interstellar masturbator donkeys that flew on their dildo shaped space ships to earth and germinated the place


Isn't that what Dawkins proposed in Expelled?

I think it was. It must be true.
The great man said it.

507. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161707 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 2:17 pm

al rawandi,
No dictionary, just what I believe the word means. Just as you believe cotton is itchy:)

To take the point a bit further: It could be the case that God is using evolution for some purpose. God created the universe and the notion of allowing random mutations to occur so that a process of evolution can happen was developed by Him. Okay. It could be true. It could also be true that there are pink unicorns, fairies, etc.
There are lots of things that could be true but we don't believe they are true. And it is not without good reason that we do not believe in these things.
It is not sensible to believe that random mutations are part of a grand plan.

508. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161693 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 2:08 pm


I am saying that it is not logical to suggest that randomness implies lack of purpose.


I think you are wrong.
Doesn't random mean without purpose?

509. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161677 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 1:52 pm


The fact that mutations are random, or even the likely randomness of natural disasters, do not in any way imply that the process of evolution cannot serve some larger purpose.


But why would you assume otherwise? The randomness does suggest there is no purpose. Random, arbitrary, purposeless.
To suggest random mutation implies a larger purpose seems to me completely without foundation.

Sorry this is not on reincarnation but there are no posts here on that topic. Perhaps in another life?

510. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161634 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 1:13 pm

Evidence that all atheists are not alike:
I don't get Radiohead.
I have some on my iPod and whenever it comes on I get annoyed. I look to see what it is I am listening to and feel disappointed that I don't get it. I know Radiohead is big with a lot of people and it may just be me not listening carefully but it does not do it for me.

Other than that I am a nice guy.

511. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161619 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 1:03 pm

al rawandi and his concept of purity does not make sense.
Cotton = itchy?
You are obviously not talking about MY cotton.
Maybe you are wearing one of those banned (Leviticus) blended fiber pieces of clothing.

512. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161610 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 12:57 pm


Okay, why is everything suddenly in boldface?



I thought it was just my computer and then just as I read your post it went away.
A miracle!

Edit:
I hit submit and it is boldface again.
Sorry, no miracle.

513. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161603 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 12:50 pm


What is the smallest fraction?

What is the biggest number?

I am beginning to suspect that you might be a stoner.


That made me laugh as much as this:


"Dash those piffling theists".


And then there is this:

And God Bless ALL of you! Someday, when each of you begins to turn back towards God, he WILL accept you and bring you home! See ya there!!!!!


With 5 exclamation points!!!!!

Somebody is high. High on Jesus, man.

514. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161587 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 12:32 pm


What if your wrong?


What if my wrong what?

What if you're wrong?

515. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161572 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 12:14 pm


Flipping heck


Steve, I am shocked and dismayed at such language. We have standards. I may have to mark that comment as offensive.




BTW :)

516. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161560 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 12:08 pm

Hey navyjake95,

Just a guess here as to where you are going with this but:

Does your notion of purity include homosexuals?
What about wearing clothes of mixed fibers?

517. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161539 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 11:43 am


You really think an omniscient all-seeing Gawd would be fooled by G-d and @sshole?


Exactly!

It is so silly.

I can't understand how one could get to this point in their life. Or, if once there, not take a step back and look at what they are doing. At that point, if they don't come up with a giant "WTF was I thinking?", well, then we part ways. You have left the rational behind.

518. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161516 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 11:05 am

From Strength:


Show some respect is all I'm saying


Beneath contempt.

519. School bars same-sex partners at formals

Comment #161473 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 10:30 am

Although I am not entirely in favour of same sex I really have no option. I try new things but my wife keeps asking me what I think I am doing. *Sigh*

Seriously, we had a situation like this in Ontario a few years ago.
I just looked it up. It was in 2002.
Here is a link:
http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/advocacy/marc_hall.htm
It makes for interesting reading.

EDIT:
http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/advocacy/marc_hall_injunction_decision.htm

The decision was the boy could go to the dance with his partner. The judges decision is again, interesting reading.

520. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161460 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 10:10 am

Quine


Yes, there are Jewish law restrictions about this.


Whenever you are not allowed by God or G-d or your holy book to do certain things that would otherwise be okay you have a problem.
Although it is sort of a silly reason, having to wear certain headgear or clothing because it is part of your religion, got me turned off the whole notion of religion.
Why would God care what I wear?
Of course moderates would not say that you have to wear certain articles of clothing to get in His good books but there are many people who believe this. I had a neighbour whose son could not believe that my daughter was a girl because she wore pants.
Once you start down the road of believing things that are contrary to the rest of the world as you know it, then almost anything can be accepted.

521. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161435 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 9:41 am

Strength,
It is unfortunate that you do not know the love of Jesus.
You have a lot of hate there.
Maybe the Buddhist way should be explored by you.
May the love of our common humanity be with you all the days of your life.

522. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161427 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 9:32 am

kardashovel,
I skimmed through your posts on this thread to figure out what you were trying to talk about. Was this the topic?:


Has the topic of Dr. Ian Stevenson's research into reincarnation ever been discussed in this forum?


If so, it has certainly strayed.
I am trying not to be rude. Disrespectful? I just can't understand how a seemingly intelligent person can believe what you do. I don't think that is being disrespectful.
I am trying to step inside your head to try to understand what you believe. I think I get it intellectually but I don't believe it.
That is why I bring up the Scientology analogy. It makes sense from within the confines of its worldview. But if you step outside and compare the beliefs to the rest of what you know/believe to be true about the world you realize that it doesn't match up. There are contradictions.
In some ways it is a simple 'if this is true, then this cannot be true' type argument.

Sorry, I may have to pull a number 10. Lunch hour is over.

523. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161405 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 8:59 am

From strength:


Atheists and darwinists are whinning like a bunch of little hoes because a good quality film has been released which exposes their baseless hatred and arrogance. All of you atheists are just bitter, angry, narrow minded @ss holes



Thank you for your post.
I am convinced.
Where do I sign up for the ID?

524. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161403 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 8:56 am


Frankus thinks I'm trying to start the next Scientology and trolling for converts.


No. I was just making a comparison between the fantasy of Hubbard and yours.
I don't mean to demean but because you will not share what exactly the voice said to you that you could not have otherwise known we have no reason to believe that your voice was anything other than you. The reason I believe this are for reasons that Tyler stated in an earlier post.

Is it possible that the reasons for your voice are the ones we suggested? I know you are committed to believing that it was actually God that spoke to you but can you admit the possiblity that you are wrong?

525. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #161340 by Frankus1122 on April 15, 2008 at 7:26 am

Hi Kardashovel,
I will second Irate's post 1465.

I understand (sort of) what you believe about God. You must be able to understand that the majority of people here think you have created a fantasy and taken it for the real thing.
In a way this is what L. Ron Hubbard did. Although I am not sure he actually believed what his followers came to believe. For him it was all part of a science fiction story he created and then others (perhaps at his prompting or because of his manipulations) came to believe the fantasy as reality.
I hope you understand how we, or at least I, believe in regard to your beliefs. We/I regard your beliefs as fantasy. Do you have any evidence other than your voice (which again, you have to admit is not convincing to us/me because of the reasons stated many times) that would be convincing to a skeptical person.
I think you know we are willing to be convinced but we require something more.

526. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160698 by Frankus1122 on April 14, 2008 at 9:45 am

Kardashovel,
Don't go.
I am nearing the end of my lunch hour so I don't have much time but reading through the last few pages of posts I am struck by something.
I was listening to a radio program that was talking about the Dali Lama. He said he did not want people to convert to Buddhism. He felt people should explore what is good in their own religious cultural traditions. He read Biblical scripture to a group of Christians and tears welled up in his eyes as he read some of the more beautiful passages that explored compassion. He is a defender of the goodness that can be found in Islam. He is a supporter of science and has participated in scientific investigation into the benefits of meditation.
I kind of like him more after hearing this radio program. He is a vegetarian who ocassionally eats meat. He likes to laugh and joke around a lot. I get the sense that all the mystical stuff that is associated with Buddhism is not all that important to him. What is important is that we treat each other decently.
What do we mean by "decent"? What is right and what is wrong? How do we determine this without God? Dr. Benway has suggested that we already do this without God. If you need God to help you figure this out, well, okay. We are all at different points in our development and understanding.
I think what worries a lot of people on this site is the fact that many people believe they do have absolute answers when the evidence proves otherwise.
Sorry, I have to go now.
I did not express myself very well but it is all I can do for now.
You can be good without God.

527. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #159899 by Frankus1122 on April 13, 2008 at 11:18 am

Comment #159893 by Corylus

I have noticed myself throwing out the odd 'get of jail free' card to people when I feel sorry for them - or I think they are being swamped. Anyway, I always test out ideas by looking into the opposite position. *shrugs*


I too feel this is a good habit to get into. If you ask how a person could believe what they believe you can sometimes get deep into the thought process and get to the real nub of the problem.

528. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159896 by Frankus1122 on April 13, 2008 at 11:11 am

But then only idiots would think a hack and a tenth rate writer like Ayn Rand was a genius.


I find a lot of people go through an Ayn Rand phase but get older and grow out of it.

As Diacanu said:

No man is an island.

Humans are social animals, and to fight against that is the definition of sociopathy.

As for government, when you start with the philosophy that government can do nothing but evil, government is never going to work.


As you live more life you begin to see the intricacies of social interactions. Black and white one-size-fits-all philosophies do not work.

Societies are hugely malleable. As societies we are very much followers of the established norm. The established norm can be the result of the efforts of a few individuals.

529. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159891 by Frankus1122 on April 13, 2008 at 11:00 am

Toad, your link did not work. Was this what you were trying to link to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y

530. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #159855 by Frankus1122 on April 13, 2008 at 9:03 am

What to do about all this?


Well, if everyone was like me we would have no problems whatsoever. Can we try that?

Seriously, try to remember the Golden Rule. At least to begin with. Dealing with obstinate willful ignorance is another matter.
Nasty vitriol should not be the the default position or the first volley. IMHO.
What happens when the name calling starts is that it reflects badly on the person doing the name calling. It also dirties the pool. To stick with this metaphor, it is like we are at a public swimming pool and we have a couple of guys pissing in the water. Most of the people around you are not appreciative of this and want you to stop. We say so. You don't have to. But nobody likes you because of your behaviour.

531. Expelled Overview

Comment #159849 by Frankus1122 on April 13, 2008 at 8:48 am

Jon,
I don't think you are making any sense. clearmind has your number. Why don't you just admit defeat? Sign up for the ID with me.





Sorry, I just like to make myself giggle sometimes.

532. Expelled Overview

Comment #159669 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 6:52 pm

C = cookie.


Are you getting hungry again?

533. Expelled Overview

Comment #159663 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 6:42 pm

clearmind,

Thank you for your post. I am beginning to get it now. It is like the scales are falling from my eyes. The elephant of ID is way more sensible than the EVILutionists mouse ideas.

ID = LOGIC AND INTELLIGENCE.
It way more better and make me not from a rock. Hahaha. Who laugh now, eh?

You a goodest god of the people.

You rock man!
I want to sign up for ID.

534. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159661 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 6:33 pm

From Dr. Benway:

Not fifteen minutes into the service, I was miserable. It all came back to me, the feeling of being a restless kid looking out the window at a beautiful day. Oh, the agony.


As I young child I hated the mass just as you did. I was not very well behaved.
The only way I could stand it as a young teenager was because of the cute girls. I spent my time thinking about things that would extend the length of my next confession.
Which was another thing I absolutely hated. I wonder now if the man behind the screen got off on the stories of me getting off.

535. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #159564 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 2:19 pm

tron 22

Basically, this is tantamount of saying: "I may have misremembered the details of our exchange, in which I told you I would be at your house to pick you up at 7:00pm, but I VIVIDLY remember your admonition to arrive at your house at 7:00pm so we could get to the ballgame on time."

Doesn't add up. Doesn't stack up. Actually, these outpourings crumble under the weight of duplicity and aversion to responsibility for your own actions/words.


I wanted to quote this argument to point out some flaws in the analogy used and the meaning of what Dawkins said.
He said:
I may have misremembered the details of our exchanges, by eMail and by telephone, but I vividly remember his reassuring me, over the telephone, that he was on the side of science, and he made no attempt to distance himself from my sarcastic jokes about 'Intelligent Design'.


The difference between this and what your rebuttal suggested is this:
One can have a conversation and get a distinct impression of another person's beliefs on certain matters. Dawkins' impression was that Mathis was not a follower of ID belief. This was evidenced by his lack of objection to Dawkins' "sarcastic jokes."
So it is true that one may not remember all the details of all conversations and emails with a particular person to come away with a general impression of that person. That happens here on this site and in your daily life and correspondence with people.

536. Fleabytes

Comment #159474 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 9:03 am

Here is a really good short talk by Steven Pinker on Reason that you may find enlightening:

http://www.bigthink.com/faith-beliefs/1132


I will be gone for one hour. Must listen to Quirks and Quarks. I need my weekly dose of scientism.

http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/

537. Fleabytes

Comment #159471 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 8:54 am

But I am not sure if the very idea of a palace of reason,--the worship of "reason",--is that reasonable and rational at all.


Do you arrive at this conclusion by using reason?

538. Fleabytes

Comment #159468 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 8:50 am

You can have an intellectual understanding of the world as you believe it really is based upon evidence that confirms your belief. 'Scientism' is flexible. If evidence appears that contradicts my current understanding of the world my scientist way of thinking will adapt to accept that new evidence and new understanding.
Science is committed to rational thought.

An authoritarian belief system is not.
There can be beliefs that completely contradict everything else we know and believe about the world but they must be accepted as truth because...well, because God said so. God's truth is beyond what we can rationally understand.
The problem with this is you need to have some rational basis for believing it.

My mind is not fettered by scientific thought. I can use patterns I see in the world around me and alter and combine them into fantastical creations. I do not believe the creations of my mind (or others as seen in works of fiction) are real.
There is nothing limiting my fantasy.
"Scientism' may limit my ability to believe my fantasy is reality.
I don't think that is cruel.

539. 'Expelled' ripped off Harvard's 'Inner Life of the Cell' animation

Comment #159446 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 7:59 am

Comment #159280 by commonhumanity,

Thanks. I really enjoyed that.

I teach a class that tries to integrate visual art and media technology with other subjects such as history, geography, language, and science.

Could I use your poem for my class?

540. Fleabytes

Comment #159431 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 7:25 am

Upon further research I find this:

Genethil Talenye
50th level Elf Enchanter
Savant

This is taken from some sort of game (?) The Dark Age of Camelot.

People here are weird.

I include myself in that characterization.

541. Fleabytes

Comment #159429 by Frankus1122 on April 12, 2008 at 7:15 am

I do learn a lot here.
Had to look up Albert Tatlock. I avoid Coronation Street. I've seen parts of it on the CBC but I am usually not that bored to sit through it.

As to 'genethilic', I also am stumped. My dictionary does not contain that word.
So I will abstain from using it in my birthday well wishes for Geoff.

EDIT: With a little further research- could be the case that Cartomnacer is wishing 'girlish'? birthday greetings?

542. 'Expelled' ripped off Harvard's 'Inner Life of the Cell' animation

Comment #159218 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 5:05 pm

Thanks Quine.

543. 'Expelled' ripped off Harvard's 'Inner Life of the Cell' animation

Comment #159195 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Dr. Benway,
Did you edit the second image?
I could have sworn they were identical a minute ago.
Also how do you embed an image in a post?

544. 'Expelled' ripped off Harvard's 'Inner Life of the Cell' animation

Comment #159087 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 12:29 pm

From Dr. Benway:


Note the emphasis in this thesis upon people rather than papers.


Good point. I made a similar one on some other thread (hence the praise).

IDers complain that no one will listen to them, that they are "not allowed" to have their ideas heard. But that is not the case from what I can tell. Any science they do (and there seems to be very little) has been shot down because it is bad science. I have read refutations of the irreducible complexity arguments that make sense to me.

They may have a point on some level however. It is like what happens here. Someone posts an opinion and is asked to back it up. They don't. They post more unsubstantiated opinion. We ask them to back it up. They don't. They post the same nonsense again and again. At some point you do refuse to listen. It is like the boy who cried wolf complaining that no one will listen to him. That may be true but there is a reason for that behaviour.

If any real science is done then the scientists can go through the process Dr. Benway listed above.

545. Reviews of Expelled

Comment #158969 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 9:07 am


Listen to the Mathis Podcast (thanks Frankus).

Thank Sossijj who first posted the link.

I am astounded by the singularity of purpose which blinds him to the truth of what he is doing.
If there is a case for Intelligent Design, make it.
As the SA guys said, that would have made a better film.
I don't think that ID has a case. It isn't even the case that they are being ignored. From what I have read all of their claims about irreducible complexity and the like have been answered. But there is a failure to see this on their part.
It is kind of like David Robertson posting on here that he has been banned from posting.
If we can hear you say, "You won't listen to us."
We've heard you. So instead of saying that tell us what your evidence of ID is.

546. Scientists take drugs to boost brain power: study

Comment #158963 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 8:53 am


Since this was an "informal online survey", who's saying these people are, in fact, scientists?




The survey shows only the behavior of those who answered it


This kind of thing really bothers me. Why are such surveys even conducted? The results cannot be considered accurate so what is the point?
People/news media pick up the 'results' and go from there. But the 'results' may or may not be accurate so they base opinions on ... what?

Maybe these scientists should take more performance enhancing drugs to actually design experimentts that will produce some worthwhile, accurate results.

547. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158955 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 8:29 am


but Nooooooo! He has to get complex.


I think Borges is taking the piss out of Christian certainty. Although it is hard to tell; he writes in a manner that leads you down paths only to double back and confuse you. (Well, me at any rate).

The certainty with which Christians claim the infalibility of their interpretations is shown up by Borges. There are multiple interpretations of the nature of Jesus from the thousands of Christain sects. He plops down a few versions of Judas; one of which is that he was/is God incarnate. The delightful thing is that he backs up his claims with scriptural reference and 'sound theological' reasoning.

I recommend a reading of this or any other Borges work.

548. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158947 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 8:00 am


I actually see Jesus as a very sympathetic figure, a man-god who betrayed genuine human emotions. In some way he was supposed to encapsulate the fate of man, with all his humanity and vulnerability.


Jorge Luis Borges wrote a short story called The Three Versions of Judas. The killer idea in it was that it wasn't Jesus that was the Word incarnate but someone who would suffer and be despised for the history of humankind; Judas.

549. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158942 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 7:55 am


Who wouldn't want to hang with him?


I mean 'hang' metaphorically, of course.

550. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158939 by Frankus1122 on April 11, 2008 at 7:50 am

As I said before, he had his good moments, but don't we all? He could also be a complete jerk. Again, so can we all. What I'm driving at is that many Christians (if I remember correctly, David Robertson is one) claim that it is the personality of Jesus that convinces them that he was/is God. I simply don't find that remotely persuasive. There is a myth that Jesus as shown in the NT was some sort of outstandingly wonderful character. I really don't find him that special.


Jesus,if you let him into your heart, is there with you 24/7.

Here is a quote from one of my favourite websites:

I've hung with too many people who want to give me this bunk that Jesus only hangs in the church, or when you petition him in prayer. They might think he shows himself in some really touching, special moment, like when your mom calls to tell you she loves you when you've been feeling lonely all afternoon. Or only sticks his head in when shit gets deep, like when you're gripping on some intense situation and whichever way you turn it looks like you're gonna get busted.
Well, that isn't what they taught me in Sunday school! Jesus is with me 24/7. There is no shaking the guy. Isn't that cool?

I posted this on another thread:
http://widerquist.com/hangnwithjesus/jesus.htm

There are some cool pictures of Jesus being a regular guy. Who wouldn't want to hang with him?

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