601. Mozart doesn't make you clever

Comment #32438 by Yorker on April 17, 2007 at 4:31 am

I agree that Mozart won't make you smarter, but listening to and understanding his music, will surely enhance your life. He's a little on the light side for my taste but undoubtedly a musical master. For me, nobody comes close to Beethoven, pure genius of the highest order. Ludo's music encompasses the entire range of human emotion and experience, the Newton of music; a one-off; his like will never be seen again.

To not love Beethoven, is not to be alive! Indeed, I credit him for never having had a headache or a day's depression in my life. At times of loss or sadness an hour's worth of Ludo fills me with strength and appreciation of the beauty of existence.

Both my kids once told me that the best thing I ever did for them was to raise them on a diet of Beethoven. If I sound like an evangelist for Ludo, then you're right, I am. If you need converting, just listen to his only violin concerto, if you're musical and human, it will change your life.

End of sermon!

602. The Age of Darwin

Comment #32303 by Yorker on April 16, 2007 at 7:34 pm

20. Comment #32249 by Fishpeddler

"Maybe 'Mexithentic' and 'Mexicrappy' would work."

I'd go for 'Mexicrappy' but with reference to Mexico; I've had better so-called Mexican food in the USA than I ever had in Mexico. It's like Indian food here in the UK, it's very popular and much better than the Indian food in India! And it's not just a question of being accustomed to our Western version, the general quality here is far superior.

603. The Age of Darwin

Comment #32301 by Yorker on April 16, 2007 at 7:18 pm

23. Comment #32262 by Retha Pretorius

'Stellar evolution has nothing to do with evolution in biology. Astronomers and biologist just use the same word for two completely different process.'

Yes, I agree. However, if you want to attach a biological "feel" to stellar evolution, it would be the ongoing rebirth of one creature; the phoenix.

604. Against God

Comment #32036 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 10:17 am

"And that's the main problem for atheist evangelisers: just because something isn't true doesn't mean it's not real."

Poppycock!

Problem? What problem? Sane people reject falsehood and embrace truth whether they like it or not.

605. Kadra attacked in public

Comment #32029 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 9:59 am

The subjugation of women is one of the best indicators that religion is an invention of man.

Barbaric scum like these men should be cast out from society, dump them on an island somewhere, preferably a hot one with no natural resources. TV companies could make a dumb-ass reality show of it - viewers could vote on how long Allah would take to put them out of their misery.

606. Nisbet and Mooney in the WaPo: snake oil for the snake oil salesmen

Comment #32028 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 9:35 am

Logicel

This will be my last "good cop" word on this issue, probably to your relief. I have only two things to say.


1. When you were young or perhaps new to a subject, I suspect you would've felt better and learned more from constructive rather than destructive criticism of your thoughts upon it.

2. For various reasons, some people don't fare well in confrontational situations, I'm not surprised therefore that MIND_REBEL doesn't reply to comments that are almost exclusively negative! Not all of us enjoy a confrontational exchange, others of course, thrive on it.:)

I bid you good day and hope your internal resistance is still low enough to allow your cell to hold a full charge! :)

607. Nisbet and Mooney in the WaPo: snake oil for the snake oil salesmen

Comment #32004 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 7:33 am

3. Comment #31890 by MIND_REBEL

"PZ is awesome."

I'm sure many here would agree with you.

"It's about time that REAL scientists stood up for science, rationiality, and social progress."

I'm sure most scientists would consider themselves real and they do stand up for science.

"If you're not with us, then your against us"

I know what you mean, your heart's in the right place but in the real world, that statement is seldom true, you should allow for shades of gray.

"Theism had it's chance-it failed"

Yes, you're clearly correct!

"Now it's our turn to turn the tables and fix all the problems that religion has created."

I'd certainly agree that religion has created many problems and like you, I hope we can turn the tables and at least do a better future job than religion has done in the past.

Keep posting my friend!!

608. Nisbet and Mooney in the WaPo: snake oil for the snake oil salesmen

Comment #32001 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 7:17 am

Ahh... how I love the smell of confrontation in the afternoon! :) :) :)

609. Nisbet and Mooney in the WaPo: snake oil for the snake oil salesmen

Comment #31999 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 7:13 am

34. Comment #31991 by Logicel

"A passionate belief based on evidence does not dogma make."

According to the dictionary, a passionate belief based on evidence DOES dogma make. You forced me to check; one of the meanings is:

"a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle."

Adding "passionate" does not change the meaning of dogma or allow you to redefine its meaning to suit your own purpose. Sorry if I appear pedantic, but as users of the English language, we have agreed the meaning of words in order to understand each other, personal redefinition is not allowed. I think you must concede this point.

You're clearly not of a mind to help MIND_REBEL or to make any allowances, but your recalcitrance has convinced me that I should perhaps encourage and offer assistance to this person…yes indeed, I shall adopt this posture.

MIND_REBEL

I hope you don't mind my defending you, and perhaps offering future constructive comment.

610. As Religious Strife Grows, Europe's Atheists Seize Pulpit

Comment #31992 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 6:37 am

49. Comment #31874 by Bremas

"...I'll take free markets anyday."

So would I, if they existed. That's what my countryman Adam Smith had in mind, unfortunately it hasn't happened, rampant greed is ruining the world but it won't last much longer, self-destructiveness is built into that morally bankrupt doctrine.

611. Nisbet and Mooney in the WaPo: snake oil for the snake oil salesmen

Comment #31989 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 6:18 am

Logicel

In response to my request in defence of MIND_REBEL you said:

"But I also have noticed that he/she seldom if ever replies to the wonderful thought-out responses to her/his staccato barrage of predictably dogmatic comments. Mind_Rebel is dogmatic in her/his atheism, and it is very unpleasant to behold. Dogma sucks. PERIOD."

Normally, I find myself in agreement with your posts but on this occasion I have to say; bollocks!

Firstly, responses to Mind_Rebel are seldom "wonderful" - they don't need to be. I also disagree that dogma sucks, in fact, dogmatism applies to most of us here. Dogma only sucks if it's doggedly held to be true when it's most likely wrong. The common meaning of the word is pertinent to the tenets of church doctrine, but it also means "an established belief". My belief in atheism is very well established so I must therefore label myself dogmatic, I would go so far as to say that dogmatism when correct, is precisely the preferred behavioral mode! The main thing wrong with our friends' comments is that they're occasionally inaccurate, bald, and lacking in background knowledge, enough to berate one for if they try to defend such comments. Mind_Rebel makes no such defense hence the reason for my slack-cutting suggestion, while not expecting general agreement, the fact that you saw fit to further attack him/her, surprised and slightly disappointed me.

612. Nisbet and Mooney in the WaPo: snake oil for the snake oil salesmen

Comment #31962 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 4:04 am

10. Comment #31919 by Veronique

Like you, I found PZ's response pleasing, but I'm starting to refrain from commenting against these silly articles because it's a little boring - heard it all before.

"My cynicism is ever enhanced by the tele-marketers that bedevil my phone line."

Play a little game with them. Pretend interest and ask them to hold a moment, then place a radio playing obnoxious music by your phone then pour yourself a drink or something, they're paying for the call so they won't hold long!

I play games with all these people who annoy me, door-knockers like JW's, Mormons etc. are all welcome visitors. Always invite them in and say that you'll give them 15 mins. to present their case if they give you 15 mins. to present the case for atheism. Most will shy away surprised but I've had a few "take the atheist challenge", it's great fun watching them squirm when you get your turn. Make them sit while you stand, pace back and forth talking loudly in a professorial manner, after only a short time they'll be begging to escape. Hopefully, you'll gain a reputation as a nutter amongst local religites and they won't bother you again. There seems to be a kind of "inter-denominational bush telegraph" operating within these godite factions, it's been a long time since any have visited me!

Now I have to go shopping and finish that book.

613. Nisbet and Mooney in the WaPo: snake oil for the snake oil salesmen

Comment #31950 by Yorker on April 15, 2007 at 3:30 am

8. Comment #31909 by Tim Marsh

I understand your reasons, I, and I suspect others, sometimes find the comments of MIND_REBEL somewhat wanting. I have never commented negatively as you do, for two reasons:

1. He/she might be a young person still developing.

2. We atheists need to unite, not alienate each other.

I've noticed that MIND_REBEL does not attack anyone here personally, even when attacked! I suggest therefore that we all cut him/her a little slack, allow this person to perhaps learn and gain experience.

614. As Religious Strife Grows, Europe's Atheists Seize Pulpit

Comment #31873 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 7:42 pm

47. Comment #31868 by Bremas

The Republicans do it also, they're just more sly about it. When it comes to running the country, there's probably not much to choose between them, just different factions of the same overly-capitalistic party.

615. As Religious Strife Grows, Europe's Atheists Seize Pulpit

Comment #31866 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 6:51 pm

I must say that American religious republicans were the least compassionate people I've ever met anywhere. I remember remarking to my colleagues that I would gladly donate $10 per week to a national health scheme, almost all the Democrats agreed, but no Republicans did. I then made myself popular with them by asking how a sane, unselfish person could vote Republican? I rubbed some salt in by likening Republicans to carnivorous dinosaurs, outdated monsters living in the past whose asteroid had not yet come their way. Their reaction tickled me pink!

616. As Religious Strife Grows, Europe's Atheists Seize Pulpit

Comment #31786 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 9:35 am

14. Comment #31776 by cheshirecat

"Modern America is very religious and has a higher standard of living than Europe."

In ten years of life there, that wasn't my experience. It's true that some Americans have a higher standard of living than most people but they are a small minority. I saw more poor people in the USA than any European country I've been in. Just look at the UK, many Brits can afford a two or three week foreign holiday every year, most Americans can't, indeed, I never saw any American worker take more than a week off at any time! Many of them have to work two jobs to keep going, that's not what I'd call a high standard. Often students generally "work" their way through college doing menial night-time jobs.

The USA is a land of extreme wealth and extreme poverty, sometimes in close proximity, extreme poverty however, is much more common than extreme wealth. I'll put it this way, if I had to choose a country to go broke in, I'd take a European one any day!

617. Coming out as atheist: Noel Gallagher & Gabriel Byrne

Comment #31782 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 9:10 am

12. Comment #31751 by Rtambree

"It's a failing of language to pigeonhole, but I suspect that the basis for it is cognitive efficiency: i.e. it allows easier manipulation of abstract concepts."

Well put, and I agree.

618. Medical 'Miracles' Not Supported by Evidence

Comment #31755 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 5:09 am

20. Comment #31750 by Rtambree

Here's a few more from an ex-Yank!



American word – British equiv.

Cookie – Biscuit
Biscuit – Scone
Chips – Crisps
Fries – Chips
Gas – Petrol
Tire – Tyre
Hood – Bonnet
Trunk – Boot
Wrench – Spanner
Vacation – Holiday
Sidewalk – Pavement
Pavement – Road
Heighth (yes, the "th" sound) – Height
Nukular (only a Bushism) – Nuclear
Etc. (eckcetra) – Etc. (et cetera)

The list goes on…:)

619. Coming out as atheist: Noel Gallagher & Gabriel Byrne

Comment #31749 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 4:29 am

6. Comment #31734 by Rtambree

Dawkins could probably give you a good summation of Winston, they've discussed the god issue. Personally, I'd characterise Winston as one of those "compartmentalisers", although I don't like the term and I'm not convinced that's what it is - still working on it.

620. Medical 'Miracles' Not Supported by Evidence

Comment #31747 by Yorker on April 14, 2007 at 4:22 am

11. Comment #31701 by Veronique

"...I have always used it as a disparaging term for wanky medicinals.

Be careful with that word "wanky" Veronique, is that Ozzie for "wonky", meaning unreliable or untrustworthy? Over here "wanky" is related to something entirely different! :)

621. For God's Sake

Comment #31639 by Yorker on April 13, 2007 at 3:19 pm

37. Comment #31609 by The Spaghetti Monster

"BTW….. I don't click on links…… sorry."

How did you get here? Magic? Divine guidance?

...arghhh

622. Einstein & Faith

Comment #31592 by Yorker on April 13, 2007 at 11:49 am

21. Comment #31515 by briancoughlanworldcitizen

I have a small technical tip for you regarding your video efforts.

You will have noticed that no matter what colours you choose, text over images always results in at least part of the text being difficult to read. My tip is you can improve things hugely by using drop-shadowed text, or better yet, use cutout text. For example, black text with a thin white cutout around all edges will always be legible, you'll see that professional videos use these techniques.

623. Sex, Love, and SSRIs

Comment #31285 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 10:17 pm

I've been trying to find that video of the psychiatric conference but it seems to have gone. I noted some points at the time however and saved them.

They admitted the following:


1. There are no medical tests to determine mental illness of any kind.

2. No psychiatrist can claim to have "cured" a patient.

3. Some psychiatric drugs have proven to be downright dangerous to physical health.

4. The Freudian and Jungian basis for psychiatry is seriously flawed; the case sample sizes used were far too small to be statistically and/or scientifically significant.

Point 4 is basically what Feynman said.

624. Sex, Love, and SSRIs

Comment #31284 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 10:03 pm

Another Feynman quote:

"Anyone who wants to visit a psychiatrist should have his head examined."

625. Sex, Love, and SSRIs

Comment #31282 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 9:54 pm

Here's another one from "The Meaning of it All", by Richard P. Feynman

"The witch doctor says he knows how to cure. There are spirits inside which are trying to get out. You have to blow them out with an egg, and so on. Put a snakeskin on and take quinine from the bark of a tree. The quinine works. He doesn't know he's got the wrong theory of what happens. If I'm in the tribe and I'm sick, I go to the witch doctor. He knows more about it than anyone else. But I keep trying to tell him he doesn't know what he's doing and that someday when people investigate the thing freely and get free of all his complicated ideas they'll learn much better ways of doing it.

Who are the witch doctors? Psychoanalysts and psychiatrists, of course."

626. Sex, Love, and SSRIs

Comment #31280 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 9:44 pm

I suspected my comments on psychiatry would be challenged, so let's go.

Firstly, Feynman didn't say it was bad science, he said it wasn't science at all! This was in response to a psychiatrist who tried to "vet" him for his Los Alamos job. Feynman told him that both Freud and Jung had tried to build something from data that were totally insufficient to allow meaningful conclusions to be drawn. It's in one of his books, I can't remember which; simple research will uncover it. I said "bad science" because psychiatry tries to give that impression that it's a branch of real science-based medicine - it isn't.

Here are some quotes:

Dr. Norman Sartorius, former president of the World Psychiatric Association said: "The time when psychiatrists considered that they could cure the mentally ill is gone."

"There is no science to psychiatry - just abuse, greed, betrayal, pretended authority, misappropriation, graft."
Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)

There are many well documented examples all over the web about children dying from the use of psychiatric drugs to treat invented conditions. The problem is that psychiatry is opinion-based, there are no biological tests for any so-called disorders; that's unscientific. The DSM, a kind of psychiatrists bible, gets bigger every day with new invented disorders that someone picks a pill for.

Sadly, psychiatric drug sales exceed $80 billion per year, so I suspect practitioners won't be quitting anytime soon.

627. Hey Mom, I'm an Atheist

Comment #31217 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 2:44 pm

103. Comment #31181 by Logicel

Ok, I'll play.



"a rabble of religites"

or

"a flock of fundies"

or

"a gaggle of godites"

628. Sex, Love, and SSRIs

Comment #31215 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 2:29 pm

18. Comment #31207 by Karl Christensen

Thanks Karl, I'd never heard of SSRI's so my question was simple and valid, I had no hidden agenda as one comment seems to suggest. It looks as if they're also prescribed for depression and that psychiatrists prescribe them - that means I'll never have to worry about these drugs since I'll never be seeing a psychiatrist, my thoughts on them are the same as those Richard Feynman held - it's basically bad science.

A few years ago at a psychiatric conference in New York, several shrinks were interviewed and all admitted they'd never cured anyone of anything ever. However, I guess I'm a lucky person, like most people I've suffered sadness but have no idea what it means to be depressed.

629. Sex, Love, and SSRIs

Comment #31144 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 6:24 am

Interesting. Can someone please explain to me why these drugs are prescribed in the first place?

630. Religious bias colors doctors' views: survey

Comment #31140 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 6:00 am

13. Comment #31119 by jeepyjay

"Dr Farr Curlin! Can that really be his name?"

Sorry, I don't get this, what is the relationship between this doctor's name and a range of distant Scottish mountains?

Naeone, you soond like a Scot, can ye mak heid or tail 'o yon?

631. Religious bias colors doctors' views: survey

Comment #31138 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 5:47 am

Veronique

The book arrived this morning, my normal practice is to blast through quickly getting the gist and looking for anything new, then I go back and digest the most interesting passages. So far, I like it and found only one technical error, not bad since I'm half through it.

I'll PM you when I'm done. I'll probably do an Amazon review, it doesn't have any yet.

Sorry, I just realised my bad manners to general readers, I'm referring to the book "Unintelligent Design: why God isn't as smart as she thinks she is" by Robyn Williams. Veronique suggested I might like to read it, I'm glad she did.

632. Religious bias colors doctors' views: survey

Comment #31136 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 5:32 am

7. Comment #31052 by libby02

In my experience Libby, doctors do a good job of neutrality, I've yet to meet one who gave any sign of religiosity or the lack thereof. The closest to it was an American doctor who took care of me during a hospital stay there, he saw me reading one of Sagan's books and remarked he was a fan of Sagan himself. Not an admission of atheism of course, but I'd make a small wager on it.

If a doctor ever said to me "it's in God's hands", I think I'd reply, "Pity, I'd rather it was in yours!".

633. On Desire

Comment #31129 by Yorker on April 11, 2007 at 5:04 am

10. Comment #31102 by Logicel

I don't know about "a dirty old lady", perhaps your sexual awareness has always been high and you haven't lost it, nothing wrong with that!

I think you're right about Corcoran fancying Fisher but I saw no reciprocating indication from her.

9. Comment #31036 by James Carroll

That's a remarkably mature attitude for a young lad your age James, I commend you on it. When I was your age I would have done a fur coat...come to think of it, I'm sure I did!

12. Comment #31111 by Philip1978

Well Philip, at 28 I'd been married (the first time) for 4 years and was realising I'd got married for the wrong reason and felt about women as you do now.

634. On Desire

Comment #31020 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 4:36 pm

7. Comment #31017 by ksskidude

Compared to me you are a young guy, I'm 63 and you didn't tell me what you thought of her. It's just that my perception of women has changed as I age and I wanted to see if young guys today feel as I did. I'm like RickM, I think Helen is attractive but "hotness" doesn't play a big part for me now, as a young man I liked all kinds of women but the older I got the more emphasis I placed on intelligence. Nowadays, I much prefer intelligent women to "pretty" women -- they're ten-a-penny, but "beautiful" women in the fullest sense of the word, are a much rarer and valuable breed.

635. Birds Do It. Bees Do It. People Seek the Keys to It.

Comment #30993 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 2:26 pm

6. Comment #30967 by ghostbuster

"Rape could also be explained as a guy unlikely to ever get a chance to mate and pass on his genes--loser's last chance."

Much more to it than that I think. In all honesty, I, and every man I've ever discussed it with has at some stage in life, contemplated rape. Of course, the vast majority of men never carry out rape fantasies but they do have them.

Purely from a Darwinian standpoint, rape must be considered a natural act, passing on one's genes is paramount. As humans, we are able to resist such brutal imperatives so most men never become rapists. Thinking about it makes one normal, doing it makes one a criminal, but neither is a loser.

636. Religious bias colors doctors' views: survey

Comment #30989 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 2:11 pm

2. Comment #30977 by Phaderus

I thought you were going to say they'd hassled you about the vasectomy, didn't they try to talk you out of it?

637. On Desire

Comment #30986 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 2:06 pm

1. Comment #30975 by ksskidude

You're evidently a young guy, tell me, what did you think of Helen, the lady in the video, was she "hot"? I'm not being facetious, I have a reason for asking.

638. On Desire

Comment #30982 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 1:58 pm

Her T-shirt thing reminded me of a more interesting TV experiment broadcast here in the UK.

Three women were asked to select the most desirable partner from a group of three men, they had to judge on looks alone. One guy was a handsome film-star type, one was just an average guy and the third was sadly, plug-ugly.

Of course, the handsome guy won; now comes the interesting part. The guys were each given a T-shirt to wear for 24 hours out of sight of the women. Next day the women were given the shirts and asked to select the most desirable by smell alone, they didn't know which shirt was worn by which man. All the women chose the same shirt - it was the one the ugly guy had worn.

639. Hey Mom, I'm an Atheist

Comment #30971 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 1:31 pm

31. Comment #30970 by Glacian

Yes, I smelled a setup also, who would video such an event if it were real? Maybe one of his siblings if they had correctly gauged the mother's reaction beforehand and wanted to capture it. That's possible I suppose.

640. Hey Mom, I'm an Atheist

Comment #30969 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 1:22 pm

27. Comment #30962 by ghostbuster

That's an interesting point ghostbuster, we constantly hear that atheists are America's most distrusted group whose members could never run for office.

It wouldn't be a huge surprise to me if a majority of Americans WOULD prefer a good catholic mafioso candidate!

641. Hey Mom, I'm an Atheist

Comment #30966 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 1:16 pm

4. Comment #30928 by Logicel

"She sounded incredulous as she thinks her child turned atheist overnight."

Yes, but a thoughtful mother who knew and paid any attention to her son, would realise that his confession was the result of long, cumulative experience. Only an insensitive, uncaring mother would think it could happen overnight, such a mother is a failure in my view.

642. Hey Mom, I'm an Atheist

Comment #30963 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 1:08 pm

23. Comment #30956 by briancoughlanworldcitizen

"I'd say on balance, and conscious that we have little to go on, the kid looks more like an adult than his mother, or his gutless wonder of a father."

Er...shouldn't that be gutFULL wonder of a father Brian?

Actually I was dying for him to chime in with something like:

"Well now honey you're alone here, ya see I think the same as the boy, this Jesus deal just takes too much believin'"

It would've been nice to see her explode or perhaps collapse in god-befuddled tears.

643. Hey Mom, I'm an Atheist

Comment #30958 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 12:49 pm

16. Comment #30941 by Corylus

"…Maybe it didn't fit??

Nice one Corylus! She certainly was a lard-ball.

I thought the video from your link was a lot more shocking and mentally damaging to kids than the main article. What kind of things go on in the lives of a family like this? Such behaviour makes them seem like aliens to me -- not of the same species.

644. Is God poison?

Comment #30948 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 12:24 pm

67. Comment #30943 by simplemind

Aha, makes them curious does it? :)

645. Is God poison?

Comment #30947 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 12:20 pm

62. Comment #30915 by Rtambree

Thanks fot the link, I'll take a look.

646. Is God poison?

Comment #30945 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 12:13 pm

63. Comment #30916 by EntropyGuardian

Oh, that one. It's here, just look at the past entries, there's no video, audio only.

647. Birds Do It. Bees Do It. People Seek the Keys to It.

Comment #30942 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 12:07 pm

3. Comment #30871 by Luthien

It's calm, quiet, non-threatening and almost always correct, the more you verify him, the more you like him.

648. Is God poison?

Comment #30912 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 9:47 am

54. Comment #30905 by Rtambree

Yes, Jonathon Miller is a good guy, I like his opera directing in addition to his other attributes, I've tried for some time to get "Miller socks" but failed, they must be custom made.

Shermer is usually right and entertaining with it!

Rama sometimes leaves himself open to attack.

I confess an ignorance of Robert Sapolsky, I must research him.

649. Is God poison?

Comment #30903 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 9:28 am

Last one, I promise.

"Except, perhaps, for Hitchens, who seems to be the only one who admits to having religious friends, the atheists' own dirty little secret -- their contempt for moderates -- is never far from the surface of their books."

Hey Bethune, I'm pissed off at these pathetic lies you spin, perhaps your lazy readers will buy this crap without checking the veracity of your bullshit, but you won't get away with it here!

Atheists don't have any "dirty little secrets", if you'd made even a half-assed attempt at following the arguments of Dawkins and Harris, you'd be well aware that both have been outspoken about the role moderates play. But then you already know this - you are just a liar.

650. Is God poison?

Comment #30901 by Yorker on April 10, 2007 at 9:13 am

49. Comment #30896 by WilliamP

I hope you infer innocently William...


Holy shit, I must stop this, I've overtaken Logicel as "post hog"!