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601. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #68271 by BillySands on September 6, 2007 at 3:16 pm

Zaphod,
Interesting about changing the laws of physics. So much for the fine tuned hypothesis. Perhaps Epeist could comment more on this.
Philip
Normally more than one isotope is used. I think JC posted this befrore:
http://www.asa3.org/aSA/resources/Wiens.html

Young earth creationists also have the problem that we have tree ring records going back 30 000 years and the oldest tree in the world is older than the date of the flood.
http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2007/07/oldest-organisms-on-earth.html

I trust Quetz won his game

602. Polling Data on Science and Religion

Comment #68266 by BillySands on September 6, 2007 at 3:04 pm

I've just been to see ken ham and I didn't think the night could get any more bizarre, but then I find devolved. Is that you running away again? Stop posting CMI junk and speak for yourself - show us that you actuallyunderstand what you are talking about, and stop lying, exon shuffling and gene duplication are not hotly debated. There is no debate, they do happen. Look up trypanosome vsg gene expression for starterd - i preume you can search for yourself - that way i'm of biasing you andI'm making you work for a change.

Do you start with the assumption that fairies dont exist?

found any dinosaurs?

Science actually tests things to see which interpretation is best. Creationsts ignore facts.

603. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #68249 by BillySands on September 6, 2007 at 2:07 pm

Hi SWRB,
PMs are personal messages. You can send them by loging in to the forum, or click on the name of the person you wasnt to send one to on a thread and click on PM

Hi Mark, the paper sounds interesting, I'll be in touch

Philip, Ken Ham was awful, I have never disagreeed with anything so completely in my life. There was no question and answer session, so I left after his first talk. Just the usual dishonesty and Darwinism being the work of Satan stuff - atheists have no morals and if there is no god there is no basis for morality. The usual stuff. It was "interesting" to hear what he had to say on the bible concerning the 6 days, but he offered no evidence against evolution and kept asking why people reject the biblical message. To him, science is something that has to be wrong if it disagrees with the bible. To the rest of us, the evidence of science is why we deny the bible, but he doesn't seem interested in being lead by the evidence. He even accuses people of wanting to follow science - personally I think most people follow the evidence. Suprisingly, he gives no evidence that the bible is right. Funny that he has double standardshere. He says we havent observed radioactive decay from the beginning of time to show that the rate hasn't changed. Strange, whe he wasn't around to seecreation take place, but that's not a problem for him - he needs no evidece, he has the bible - praise the lord" it takes a denialist attitude to argue that decay rates may have changed. There is no evidence that they do, despite trying to make them change. Not suprisingly, he abused 14C dating and implies sceintists use it for dating fossils - which is a lie).
I'm suprised I didn't walk out in disgust.

Never saw the flea. Strange, because he claims to be an evolutionist, surely he would want to see the truth represented. Mind you, given the disharmony in the free church, maybe the ministers there dont talk to him. Maybe if Scottish Geologist is reading, he can inform us.

604. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #68103 by BillySands on September 6, 2007 at 6:16 am

Found the tour dates for Ham

http://www.c-r-t.co.uk/events.htm

He may be near some of you guys at some point too

605. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #68100 by BillySands on September 6, 2007 at 6:04 am

Thanks Epeeist,
I've got something else planned for tonight, but might see if I can rearrange it. I heard he was comming and was wanting someone to debate. Iconsidered volunteering untill I remembered how dishonest creationists tend to be. I also thought that I shouldn't give them credibility, and creationists in Scotland are not too much of a problem.
Wouldn't want my words being twisted and taken out of context on the internet now.

606. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #68069 by BillySands on September 6, 2007 at 2:14 am

Hi Mark,
Suprisingly, I didn't think you would disagree with me on excavation.

we also have different views on the word rebuilt
I would like to know what you mean...


It seem that you interpret rebuilt to mean built exactly the same way as it was before. This seems unreasonably constraining. No one would quibble over whether Clydebank, Coventry or London were rebuilt after the blitz. They stand today and are inhabited. As does Tyre.

607. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #67997 by BillySands on September 5, 2007 at 2:26 pm

You are of course right quetz. I have been very busy today and have not had enough Divine tea. I will try and get Mark a companion on this thread -Quetz willing of course.
It is good that you give your followers direct and unequivocal moral tutilage

608. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #67996 by BillySands on September 5, 2007 at 2:21 pm

More things to deal with in your posts Mark, but its been a long day, and I'm I'm lucky, JC is already writing them. Time for bed.

609. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #67989 by BillySands on September 5, 2007 at 2:09 pm

OOPs, didn't realise there was an extra page and I have repeated some of SWRB's post - Thats 2-1 Mark - we win by weight of numbers :-)

610. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #67987 by BillySands on September 5, 2007 at 2:06 pm

to define and set bounds on the possible behaviour, or design choices, of an all-knowing, all-powerful God! It seems to me that RD is concerned to define God in human-relative terms - God could only have certain possible characteristics


Isn't deciding that something must be designed not projecting your ideas of what design is onto a putative designer. On thing that evolutionists do is argue that life is reducibly complex. On a related not, I would like to ask Mark whether he is of the opinion that life is "designed" to point to evidence of god's existence or is something that is looked upon in faith.

You also have to do some proper archaeology, not rely on photos, but we also have different views on the word rebuilt.

To physically take away the remains and (to use your word) "dump" them in the sea would be stupid, pointless and a great waste of time and material. Who would do such a thing "normally"?


Tthat's not really evidence, and the Roman's did that to Carthage, so as improbable as you claim, it certainly is not without precedence.

Cant remember if we have been over this before, but the dumping in the sea happens before the destruction of the mainland. Also, what other city could be meant when it is said that it will become a bare rock - sounds like an island to me, and of course, Nebuchadnezzar never got his promised plunder.
You still haven't shown that these things were written about before the event.

611. In God we doubt

Comment #67643 by BillySands on September 4, 2007 at 5:27 am

One that I didn't get to raise with devolved (I was saving it for later) was the varves in lake Suigetsu.


Nice example. We also have a continuous sample of tree rings goning back some 30 000 years. There are even some living trees that are older that the supposed date of the flood.

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2007/07/oldest-organisms-on-earth.html

612. In God we doubt

Comment #67636 by BillySands on September 4, 2007 at 4:49 am

Thanks quetz,
It's all coming back now. Something to do with intra-chromosomal telomere sequeces for him to answer too, as well as a load of stuff by Robert and Epeeist too.

I think RD does not intervene because it would affect our free will. He could intervene, but that would be outwith his character. Why did god create syphillis?
Is this one big god Allah? isn't that the fastest growing faith?

613. In God we doubt

Comment #67629 by BillySands on September 4, 2007 at 4:13 am

Some believers are undoubtedly stupid (witness the creationists)


Welcome back Devolved. Can some one remind me what the latest series of challenges was that he ran away from?

Did you find any dinosaur fossils with humans during your break dude?

614. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #67623 by BillySands on September 4, 2007 at 3:39 am

Nice posts about the nastiness of the universe. I think a 6000 year old geocentric universe would be much better evidence for a creator. The idea that life is improbable and must be designed suddenly seems silly when we consider that an even more imporobable being must be in control of this immense universe, and mixing it about in the right way just to create us. If there is purpose out there, not only must every star be in the right place at the right time, but so must every atom, and each electron must have the right spin etc. How improbable is a being that can do that? He must have hand fashioned the exact size and shape of asteroid to wipe out the dinosaurs, as well as hitting the right target, which he had to prepare to be ready in time. This meant thhe right organisms dying in the right place at the right time to produce the limestone that would create the acid rain. He would have to set the earth spinning at the right angle to cause an oblique strike to optimise pollution to kill dinosaurs, but not our ancestors. He would have to arrange for the decan traps to spew out just the right ammount of lava etc. Any being who can do that is surely more improbable than a naturally occuring universe.
Mark, glad you had a good trip. What is your view on the dinosaur extinction event?

I'm off to have some tea - Praise quetz, for he made sure that out of all the molecules in the universe, just the right water molecules with just the right energy was a t hand to brew the perfect cup

615. Gene regulation in humans is closer than expected to simple organisms

Comment #66718 by BillySands on August 31, 2007 at 5:39 am

It's not very new. We have known for some time that altered temporal and spatial regulation of Hox genes can radically alter body plan. That's a boot in the nuts for the creationists though. They seem to think you need massive ammounts of new DNA inserted into organisms to suddenly evolve an eye in a single step

616. Only secular schools will overcome sectarianism

Comment #65844 by BillySands on August 27, 2007 at 4:26 am

Billy what do you mean, 'popping up':-)?

There's a horrible thought.
I would be suprised if the flea comes on this thread given that many in his church think the pope is the antichrist and that the church of Rome is the whore of Babylon. Poor flea cant decide what he believes on this matter publicly. I haven't heard him call for the inflammatory WCF claim that the pope is the antichrist to be outlawed, so I can only assume he is at home singing no pope, derry's walls, the sash etc and ending all things bright and beautiful with "fuck the pope"

617. Only secular schools will overcome sectarianism

Comment #65836 by BillySands on August 27, 2007 at 2:48 am

SG, I guessed what whas going to pop up, but why couldn't I stop myself - AAARGHHH.

The problem is still there though. I sometimes hear vile comments on the bus to work in the morning.
On the subject of football, I think UEFA need to review their policies on handing out punishment. I would call killing referees worse than singing a few songs

618. Mother Teresa's '40-year faith crisis'

Comment #65645 by BillySands on August 25, 2007 at 10:00 am

I don't think she proved she can be good without a god, since it is debatable that she was good.


I was refering to the physical act of caring for the unwanted, but you are of course right, the catholic church is responsible for much suffering and the spread of HIV

619. Mother Teresa's '40-year faith crisis'

Comment #65603 by BillySands on August 25, 2007 at 4:30 am

It is sad that religios bullshit ruined her enjoyment of life.
However, she shows that you can do good without god

620. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #65393 by BillySands on August 24, 2007 at 2:57 am

Hurrah for quetz and his gift of Paracetamol laced tea leafed beverages

621. Scientists should unite against threat from religion

Comment #65186 by BillySands on August 23, 2007 at 5:38 am

I wonder if he was one of the unfortunate youngsters eviscerated by Dawkins at the Randolph-Macon seminar. I seem to remember one of them referred to himself as a "biology major".


Indeed he is. If I remember correctly, his real name is Ryan Tomlinson. A couple of us checked out his biology professor's publications. He only had about 12 in poor quality journals (all on Alhzeimers from what I remember). The ones I looked at were so bad, I would have rejected at the review stage.
Thse who can, do. Those who cant, "teach" at Liberty U.

622. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #65169 by BillySands on August 23, 2007 at 4:48 am

You're not suggesting that bible writers made a mistake?


Certainly not. A mistake would require that they were initially intending to convey the truth. An investigation of Messianic prophecy will show you that they were not.

623. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #65158 by BillySands on August 23, 2007 at 3:41 am

Concerning the decendant of David business. This is of course not possible because Joseph was apparently not his father. The genealogies of Matt 1 and Luke 3 strongly disagree with each other. Some try to claim that Lukes is the genealogy of Mary - read it and dream on! A major problem is that we have Paul saying that he is the decendant of David, but luke has the wrong son of David. The messianic line is to come through Solomon, not Nathan (2 Sam. 7:12, 1 Chron. 22:9-10).

624. Scientists should unite against threat from religion

Comment #65153 by BillySands on August 23, 2007 at 3:13 am

Which "college"?


Liberty "University" I'm affraid. It's interesting that he is trying to gain credibility by claiming to be a "biology major", because that works!

625. Scientists should unite against threat from religion

Comment #65146 by BillySands on August 23, 2007 at 2:40 am

Hey Bizzaro,
You never answered the chicken question again. Last time you lied about the explanation befor running away.

Um, I think you're only telling one half of the story. Did you ever think to check up on him AFTER his honeymoon?


Um, what other side is there? It abstainence him a great deal of trouble. What does his wedding night have to do with that? By the way, he became a lot calmer after finally clearing his custard.

More straw-men. I never went so far as to say that it sex outside of marriage was wrong, only that abstinence is much safer than sex with a condom.
Ah the failed deflection strategy. You do believe it is wrong though, so dont be a slippery little weasel, it just makes you look bad.

My brother used to go to a state university where the STD rate was about 50% of the student body.

Ah, solid anecdotal evidence based on a sample of one. They obviously have high standards at Liberty. Also. who said that everyone having sex was using a condom. Try Di Vincenzi 1994 New England Journal of Medicine Vol 331 no6. Condoms work!

sex is encouraged in the Bible within the right context.


It certainly is, and it appears that rape is one of the right contexts. Have you read Numbers 31:7-18?

"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves ."

626. Scientists should unite against threat from religion

Comment #65022 by BillySands on August 22, 2007 at 4:46 pm

It has been going on for nearly a year. Sigh.

I suppose it helps him keep his hand out of his chastity belt

Goodnight

627. Scientists should unite against threat from religion

Comment #65003 by BillySands on August 22, 2007 at 3:35 pm

Toronto Tim
Rest assured that question was not intended to be homophobic. From previous comments, Bizzaro has shown himself to hold homophobic beliefs which is why I only enquired about women. It is a bit of an unjustified leap to go from not being attracted to women to being Gay.

Dazzjazz

I wonder what made Collins surrender to Jesus instead of one of the many other 'offerings' on the celestial smorgasboard? Perhaps the waterfall had frozen in the shape of a cross and was melting tears of blood?


Apparently it split int three parts and that reminded him of the trinity - Conclusive proof I'm sure you will agree

628. Scientists should unite against threat from religion

Comment #64950 by BillySands on August 22, 2007 at 1:20 pm

One of my friends stayed celibate till his wedding night, but it was drove him nuts. It is not healthy or normal. If thats the way you want to live, fair enough, but dont tell others they are wrong. Especially if you are a 20 year old virgin who has hever got his sausage wet

and dangerous, sometimes does motivate a few sex starved people to blow themselves up to get a-lot-a-vagina in the after life.

Lets not forget sex crimes committed by some catholic priests either

629. Scientists should unite against threat from religion

Comment #64943 by BillySands on August 22, 2007 at 1:05 pm

Now I've heard it argued that people will have sex either way, so it's better that they do it with a condom. Baloney. I'm a 20 year old guy, and I've had more than a few opportunities to let my hormones do the thinking. Thankfully, humans are not animals. We can choose to repress our instincts. I'm still a virgin. Sure, it hasn't been easy, but I've chosen to wait until I am married. And trust me, if a 20 year old male can do it, anyone can do it ;-).

What rubbish. Humans are animals. Are you really implying that we should all live the way you say? Another problem is that you are only in charge of your own sexual activity, and not that of your partners. Do you think the "faithful" should suffer for the "sins" of others? What a truely retarded way of thinking. Have you considered the possibility that you are not attracted to women?

I'm still waiting to hear how you explain chickens with teeth

630. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #64613 by BillySands on August 21, 2007 at 2:34 am

Hi Lee,
Concerning Judas, the Gospel of Judas gives a different side to that story. He planned it with Jesus. If you look at the so called prophecies concerning Judas, they are not prophecies at all (more later if you wish).

Then we have this little beauty: (Matt 19:28)

"And Jesus said to them (the disciples), "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones , judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
Apparently including Judas.

Saw some guys from Judas Priest support Iron Maiden a few years ago. It was strange watching them head bang without hair

631. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #63589 by BillySands on August 15, 2007 at 2:38 am

Have a safe trip Mark

632. These preachers of hate must be exposed

Comment #63588 by BillySands on August 15, 2007 at 2:32 am

PS. When I wrote my second post I had initially written after the first sentence - so please leave the questions about the Pope, Billy. But then I removed that because it was facetious and I thought silly. Not even Billy would manage to bring the Pope into a discussion about this wonderful documentary! I was wrong (again!). All questions on the Pope etc will be answered (as they have been) once again on the other threads - when I get a chance....


Now Now david. You lie about answering. You have been asked many many times about whether your belief that the pope is the antichrist fuels religious hatered, and you fail to answer. We can of course guess why, which leads us to its relevance to this thread - teaching of religious hatred. One thing I cant stand is a self righteous religious bigot who is happy to snipe at others, but goes about doing his own bit to fuel hatred between catholics and protestants.

And I don't think see the need to bite David every time he says anything, even when it's reasonable.


Had he said anything reasonable I would agree, but we get

then in order to fight it, you are going to have to give up, what seems to be one of the central tenets of the atheist faith,


and

Christians don't kill those who disagree with them! (And yes the exceptions do prove the rule!)


The exceptions prove the rule? What rule? Are you saying the crusaders, the UDA, IRA etc were not christians? or do you believe in apparent salvation through deeds and not faith. The only thing an exception proves is that there are no rules.

633. These preachers of hate must be exposed

Comment #63405 by BillySands on August 14, 2007 at 4:52 am

Come David, dont deny that your church has been involved in bad deeds. I really want to hear your opinion on whether your oath that the pope is the antichrist fuels sectarian hatred.
You still justify some bad doctrines based on the bible, despite what you say.
Have you checked out the comments on the other thread since you got back? where your arse was kicked over wilberforce?

(not a real Moslem/Christian/Communist, delete as applicable).

I remember someone on David's site saying no true christian was a homosexual

634. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #63369 by BillySands on August 14, 2007 at 3:17 am

And here is the philosophers song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WRFJwGsbY

635. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #63366 by BillySands on August 14, 2007 at 3:09 am

Lee,
The Bruce sketch has redeemed you.
Here is one of my favorite pieces of Aussie comedy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLz5KgBTqPY&mode=related&search=

636. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #63242 by BillySands on August 13, 2007 at 4:03 pm

Concerning the timing of Jesus' return, Matt 24 gives some insight.
Important verses are 33-34 "33Even so, when you [the disciples]see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened .

I suspect this failure to return is what lead "Peter" to write
"3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 peter 3:3-9)

The author needs to explain why Jesus has not returned yet. It is reasonable to assume that the audience were expecting it (justifiably). The excuse says that God has changed his mind That seems unlikely given that his plan is perfect etc. By delaying, I would think many more people would be born than would be condemned. This both raises the possibility of pre-destiny and denies it at the same time - it seems somewhat inconsistent.
I also have a problem with the idea that we apparently deliberately forget the flood. This is a good verse to use on those who say the biblical flood/6 day creation is not meant to be literal - I presume mark may back me up here :-)

637. Amnesty to defy Catholic church over rape victims' abortion rights

Comment #63156 by BillySands on August 13, 2007 at 9:27 am

So the vatican is trying to use its power to tell its followers wghat to do - like good little sheep.

tigerbalm You are a truely wonderful example of compassion - not. You must lead an empty existence. I suggest you learn how to love others

638. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #63130 by BillySands on August 13, 2007 at 7:37 am

I think he means that the only functional set is the insect set ie the butterfly's actual eyes.

I see (was that as bad a Lee's effort?)

Actually, it just occurred to me, the function of the eyespot if for predator avoidance. Mark, what is your view on Death and the fall? Why was the butterfly "created" this way if there was no predation before the fall?

639. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #63124 by BillySands on August 13, 2007 at 7:11 am

Hi Mark,
Never knew about the smaller eyespots. I may have misunderstood you, but none of them are functional eyes

Quetz: let's see you make one of those!

Don't put Quetz to the test :-)
Actually, I could Really make one of them that glows in the dark. There is a nice jellyfish gene for a protein called green fluorescent protein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_fluorescent_protein There are also other colours, like red and yellow fluorescent proteins too. If you know enough about tissue specific gene regulation in butterflies, you could make different bits glow different colours

640. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #63078 by BillySands on August 13, 2007 at 4:35 am

Quetz, not having a bible handy is no longer a problem http://www.biblegateway.com/

641. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #62964 by BillySands on August 12, 2007 at 3:16 pm

Hi Mark
Sorry To hear about your mum.

Needless to say that I disagree with your answer to Lee. The cucial thing is that Jesus is implying that some will be dead before his return. They were all alive at the transfiguration some 6 days later. There is also no judgement or rewards either. I believe we previously discussed matt 26:64 where Jesus tells the high priest that he will see him return, and how this is incompatible with the Revelation account of the return and resurrection.

Take care

Billy

PS is it an owl butterfly?

642. The Out Campaign

Comment #62229 by BillySands on August 9, 2007 at 2:15 am

Hi Philip
28 on monday, 29 today, by net week you will be in your mid thirties. I hope you took plenty of Quetz's elixior of tea.

One of the weaknesses of christian counseling is that you get different answers from different people - like me and J for example, but we both recognise each others case. If god was a source of absoulutes, you would expect to see that in a unified respone (that is clearly defined in the bible) to issues like suffering.

643. The Out Campaign

Comment #62116 by BillySands on August 8, 2007 at 8:14 am

Epeeist,
I have to worry about Jesus's ability to deal with crosses though.

Also wonder why Rangers had so many injuries when they had Marvin "the faith healer" Andrews in the team. Strange he couldn't heal his own cruciate and never played in the world cup, then got paid to leave and joined a team 2 divisions below. So much for displaying the healing power of god. Just another example of the folly of not seeking proper medical help.

Know any cuddly animals that are docile enough to accept Jesus?


Not cuddly, but what about a jesus christ lizard? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ_Lizard

on no wiki! If the bible is on wikipedea, does that mean wee flea will become an atheist?

Actually, I bet the lizard could beat jesus in the 100 m water sprint - Well, it doesn't have holes in its feet for starters

644. Eight-million-year-old bug is alive and growing

Comment #62106 by BillySands on August 8, 2007 at 7:32 am

They actually have a geology visitor centre at Assynt
http://www.knockan-crag.co.uk/index.asp

http://www.see.leeds.ac.uk/structure/assyntgeology/phpgallery/image/classic/knockan/rockseq

SG are you based in St Andrews at all?

645. Eight-million-year-old bug is alive and growing

Comment #62045 by BillySands on August 8, 2007 at 2:33 am

I'm sure I read about cambrian bacteria being resurrected once. Can anyone confirm this?

646. The Out Campaign

Comment #61966 by BillySands on August 7, 2007 at 3:45 pm

very true J At least amputees can devote more time to their god and less time on all that training christian athletes do. No false gods for Timmy from south park. Once read a book called messy spirituality, on my ministers recommendation, as I was starting to doubt. There was a bit where the author was talking about a bunch of students (one of whom was in a wheel shair) suddenly one of them was possessed by the spitit and they all started dancing with joy - even the guy in the chair was doing wheelies because god was so great. I couldn't help but think that a true show of greatness would be to give this guy his legs back

647. The Out Campaign

Comment #61962 by BillySands on August 7, 2007 at 3:26 pm

I believe I saw an interview with Kaka once where he said god helps him score goals. Strange that he would take away the keepers free will to save the shot. i've always found it strange that god helps sportsmen (and women) beat other (often christian) sportsmen and women, but he never makes an amputee grow a new leg so they can play sports

648. The Out Campaign

Comment #61955 by BillySands on August 7, 2007 at 2:54 pm

There are usually two prongs that christians use to deal with suffering. One is god is never wrong and that we always deal with it in the wrong way. One of this things that disgusted me about this was the fact that I used to know it was true. I told needy people this shit myself and I think that just made matters worse for them. Often the fact they get no answer from god concerning what it is he wants them to change about themselves makes matters even worse. On top of the fact you are in a bad place, I've seen people start to think that they must be so sinful that even god ignores them. Of course it is the christian response that this is satan speaking - so like the bibles tells them, they order him away in the name of jesus and nothing happens. Yhey now think that god really hates them. Hardly a positive life enhancing experience - then jesus never said it was going to be easy - except he did:


It is the liberals, not the fundamentalists, who are the true renegades from biblical Christianity.


I've heard similar things about jesus being an infidel unto god and it is the murderers, rapists, slave traders, racists, war mongers, homophobes and misogynists that are the true followers of yahweh - always a conversation stopper when you meet christians at a barbeque

we've had too many Christians here and precious few other faiths to argue with...


Yes we wouldnt want to earn a reputation for discriminating against people for following the wrong imaginary god.

Goldy, lets not forget to donate to the buy benny hinn a private jet campaign - now that is a real evil mother f*cker who rips off vulnerable people and gives them false hope.
Can we call in Dr Benway to use the "C" word on him?

Kandel congratulations on reaching no 666 - another great song! I found it took time to come out to those closest to me. No point doing it before you are ready though. Good luck
always wondered what ode to joy would sound like if motorhead did it

649. The Out Campaign

Comment #61876 by BillySands on August 7, 2007 at 8:32 am

I think the most positive thing is actually breaking free from the faith trap and realising you have a lot more control than you previously thought. It is annoying that people are told to deal with crippling problems this way when something more realistic is in order

Billy! Have some tea and marvel


I prefer semi skimmed milk :-)

650. The Out Campaign

Comment #61849 by BillySands on August 7, 2007 at 6:03 am

That was a good idea J I would like to offer another answer based on what I have heard, been told or told others in the past. It too is deeply dissatisfying and keeps the victim in a state of emotional torture

Sometimes in our pain we find it all too easy to lash out at God. We must not project human values on to him or judge him by the actions of others who claim to follow him. The only one who can truly reflect the nature of god is jesus himself, and it is to him that we should look in our times of trouble. Jesus himself was no stranger to abuse. He died in one of the most horrible ways imaginable and he therefore understands our suffering more than we know. Remember, God works to the good in all things and uses it to make us more like jesus. Painful as it is, your friend now better understands his suffering – that he faithfully and willingly endured for us- and as a result knows how much he loves her. Perhaps god is using this experience in order that your friend may be better equipped to minister to others unfortunate enough to be in a similar situation.
God wants us to trust him, especially in our darkest moments. That is when his power is made perfect in us. That is when he disciplines us and brings us to a closer understanding of him. It is then that we throw off the worldly and let his spirit in to do its transforming work in us.
Your friend may suffer now, but god has all eternity to play with and knows what is best. He never puts us in a situation that we can not handle and uses it to refine our faith which is precious to him.
I will pray that the lord touches your friends heart – there is nothing more loving we can do for anyone than ask the lord to take a personal interest in their lives.


That actually made me very uncomfortable writing that. It is clearly no way to deal with your problems. It gives no answer and leaves the victim expecting god to do something, or puts pressure on them to "change". The best advice is to leave the abusive husband. I Feel quite angry and disgusted now.


PS Happy birthday Philip

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