651. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104486 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 3:57 pm

Corylus

hmmm # 4....well, I am a hopeless cook...!

*Runs for cover and hides*

Philip :)

652. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Dinesh D'Souza

Comment #104473 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 3:11 pm

http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,904,Dinesh-DSouza-says-I-dont-exist-an-atheist-at-Virginia-Tech,Mapantsula-Daily-Kos,page3#33997

Here you go al-rawandi, my apologies for getting this late to you. Please read what D'Souza writes first, look at how he thinks he is so self righteous in what he says and then read what that utter hero Mapantsula, one of the Virginia teachers who was left to help the kids, has to say.

D'Souza makes me sick to the core about how arrogant and self congratulatory he is because he is a man of "Faith" and so therefore better than everyone else. I don't know if you have noticed from my posts I am usually a happy easy going man, but D'Souza is one I will always make exceptions for for all the uncaring and evil things he has done.

Mapantsula on the other hand is a true reminder of what is right and good about this world when it comes to caring about others in need. A real hero and one heck of a good man, I can't say enough about how much I respect him.

I hope that helps

Philip

653. Debate between Christopher Hitchens and Dinesh D'Souza

Comment #104238 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 7:33 am

al-rawandi

And his greatest sin. He slept with Ann Coulter.

No, his greatest sin is when he wrote that evil article after the Virginia Shootings claiming Atheists were not there to help, he is a sick, evil individual who I have no time for

Philip

654. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104214 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 5:50 am

liddlefeesh

Excellent first article, I think went on about tea too much in my first! :)

the best support our new church would offer was to "pray"

Sounds so true and I am sorry you and your wife went through that but more than glad you got out of it. "Pray!" It sounds so disingenuous yet has such an effect on some people that it sounds like a proper answer. Just confuses me as to how the person who told you that had the balls to say it to you, I could not live with myself for being so callous.

Were you part of a big community at the time?


Philip

655. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104203 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 5:18 am

You could always quote back, "If you think you know Quantum Physics, you dont know Quantum Physics!:)

Well, cheers and a pint of beer to you (or cup of Tea if its too early where you live!), I think I know where you are coming from a lot more so I wont wiffle on any further but would like to say thanks for the chat!

I sometimes wish discussions like this with the religious were as easy going, cheers a lot!

Tally Ho

Philip

656. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104195 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 4:35 am

DasSquid

I've been an atheist all my life, probably realised it when I was 8 but properly around 12 or so, I too cannot fathom the religious mind in anyway shape or form, nutters! :)

I have no nasty experience of having it forced upon me, I just told people who questioned me that I didn't and could not believe in gods, they seemed to get that in the end.

I was curious as to what it felt like and some people on here have given me very good explanations as to why they did what they did. Billy Sands described this as mental slavery which I think is a great analogy - its the sort of circular arguments spinning in your mind where your end answer is always God and your trust in him.

Others have described how they went to the vicar or pastor etc and told them about their nagging doubts that were really affecting them psychologically - guess what the answer was- go and pray or read the bible passage which might correspond to your problem to help you keep believing.

Its sheer turmoil all the way when people start doubting themselves and their beliefs, its so much simpler to carry on. There is a whole community around you, the school you go to, your parents look after you, if you get married it will be to someone equally brainwashed.

Then bang, the doubts come, the guilt presses on you - especially if Hell is a factor, imagine being terrified of Hell! Hell to me is nothing, but its a nasty torture device if you want to get something out of the credulous.

Reminds me of one chap who came on this site looking for advice as to how he was having doubts but his love for his wife, kids and community kept him in constant turmoil, he really was not happy. He had nearly lost all his faith and had no idea how to deal with it - it was heart breaking talking to the guy, I hope he is ok

I hate all this psychological warfare, I hate the way people like the Pope or these evangelists pick on people and end up ruining their lives so they can hold on to a power that they don't deserve.

Grrr!

Philip

657. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104186 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 3:53 am

Though I guess that it's another tactic of these nutjobs. Give 'til it hurts, then come to us for help.

Think you got it in one there!

I guess my point of view stems from my experience of meeting people who have been in horrendous trouble and keep turning to their tormentor for help.

They do know of other options, I agree with you here but I think Professor Dawkins summed this sort of behaviour well in The God Delusion - The whole part about how kids listen to adult figures early in life because the adult is supposed to be there to protect them, help their struggle for survival. I reckon the religious figure on TV telling folk to give till it hurts is similar to that, the immediate recognition of an authority figure telling them to essentially jump off a cliff or let me be slightly extreme here and compare it to someone told to go fly a plane into a building.

No matter who much you want to bellow at these people and say "for fecks sake what are you doing listening to that bastard, he only wants your money and he gets off by screwing you for it!!" they wont listen. The woman in this article, it never occurred to her to stop paying the bastards - no, she borrowed to feed her addiction.

Ah well, enough of my mischief, sorry if I repeated myself a bit, just felt like a good chat!

Tally ho

Philip

658. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104173 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 3:32 am

Incredulous

I still reckon your punctuation and syntax is far better!! :)

Philip

659. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104169 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 3:25 am

DasSquid

I would still have to blame the religion for making them that way, I would go so far as to compare it to the beaten wife or girlfriend who refuses to leave the one thing that they should have left well alone.

Its Stockholm Syndrome, its credulous people being manipulated to a disgusting degree - have you ever seen Derren Brown's Messiah before? Utube it, he does a "message from the dead" session in a church, its frightening, it really is.

Or look for that superb documentary Professor Dawkins did called Enemies of Reason, great example would be the Dowsers who even after they were proved to be completely rubbish at locating water started finding excuses to convince themselves they could still do it.

This is religious brainwashing, these people are not thinking straight, they think they are doing something right. A religious figure has promised them something - God's love - Entry into heaven- ANYTHING to get them to believe and part with their money - Especially through fear of going to hell or have God's punishment inflicted on them in some way.

Its like those stupid chain letters hurtling around the internet - if you don't send this to 5 or more people you will be dead by 12 o clock - people are susceptible to it and will do as they are told. No matter how many times I tell my friends not to send me the messages, some still do out of fear.

These people have no will power, religion has done away with it and I for one do feel sorry for them and I am completely disgusted at the people who are doing this to them

Philip

660. 'Gospel of wealth' facing scrutiny

Comment #104132 by Philip1978 on December 28, 2007 at 12:56 am

How odd that they only started realising this now, you would have thought with all the millions of people who give money to these evil people that it would have bitten them sooner.

aquilacane - are you sure she got what she deserved? I promise I am not having a go, I just think this woman was practically brainwashed into giving this money like all the rest. Religion can do this to people- they honestly believe this can help them, the Bible practically encourages it with all that guff about rich people not being able to get into heaven. But if you give up all your goods and be as poor as you can - well Jesus says that's virtuous! If people are prepared to believe in invisible sky gods, they are prepared to give out money blindly when told to by a religious figure.

This woman was definitely suckered into this - its a bit like alcoholism, they don't know its going out of control until its completely out of control. Why these idiots who keep shouting "in the name of the lord" for this money are not arrested I don't know... well, actually I do know, anything in the name of religion is automatically above the law because its "holy".

I am glad this is getting more media attention - people will hopefully become more aware that religion does not work and these evilangelists will get what they deserve

Philip

661. Top Ten Stories of 2007

Comment #103818 by Philip1978 on December 27, 2007 at 12:24 am

Chin up Ed-words, the F word aint that bad!

Personally I am with Stephen Fry on this one, if you want to express your complete dissatisfaction about something, there is a word for it. Diacanu is correctly using the word - if he said it simply for Fuck's sake, then even I would tell him off!! :)

Duff, brilliant summary, proud of you!

Diacanu, completely with you there mate, I too am sick of hearing about people like Falwell getting the praise they dont deserve. Its like the Pope, I can't see why these people have not been arrested for their crimes against humanity - but no, its religion so therefore they are Holy and its right. It doesn't matter how much they beat their wives up or how much crystal meth they fart about with - Noooooo they are great people for what they do for the world, it is quite sickening

Being the optimist I am I wont let these bastards get me down too much, can't let them win can we?


Philip :)

662. Chasers war on everything: Evangelicals

Comment #102957 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2007 at 3:31 am

Steve + V

My only advice for folk travelling to Oz is to NEVER go in the Woolshed Pub in Cairns when you have something important to do the next day like catch a plane or in my case go scuba diving :)

I know many people who knew they had to do something the next day but thought "a couple of beers" would go down well

I went there, got very drunk, got to bed at 4 to wake up at half 6 to catch the minibus. I remember filling out the forms and one of the questions was "have you had any alcohol in the last 24 hours? well no, last 2 hours hehehe! (I tell you what that scuba tank cured my hangover, brilliant stuff!)

I loved OZ, tis a beautiful country with some mad people there!

I love this video too, very funny!

Philip

663. 'Atheistic fundamentalism' fears

Comment #102951 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2007 at 3:08 am

Fundamentalist Atheist?

Someone who beats the shit out of people for not agreeing 100% with the Anthropic Principle?


Nutters!

Philip

664. Blair converts to Catholicism

Comment #102929 by Philip1978 on December 24, 2007 at 1:50 am

I have asked many people on this site what it is like to believe in a god because I have never believed at all. I kind of understand that bit now, sort of...

But how does someone change Faiths? What did Bliar do one morning to change his mind? How can someone justify it all, its crazy!

"Anglicanism...nah its all lies...bit sissy as well...whats next, aha, one of the more dangerous and unfathomably nasty religions in the world, thats what I want, I'll give Darth a ring, he can help!"

Ring ring...Yes, is that the Pope?... Hi Darth, can I join the Dark Side please? Exxxcccelllent!

Tis bollocks I tell you!

Philip

665. For the Love of Christ

Comment #101933 by Philip1978 on December 21, 2007 at 7:48 am

Jack Rawlinson

Jesus is a zombie remember - nails are not going to work this time, go for the head!

"Have you sinned in the last 24 hours? Have ya?! HAVE YA?

Yes, I just blasphemed and I am very proud of it!

Philip

666. For the Love of Christ

Comment #101927 by Philip1978 on December 21, 2007 at 7:31 am

Nighttripper

I would rather tell Jack Bauer that Fatica said something about his mum and that he also knows the location of a bomb that will blow the CTU building up... that should do it shouldn't it?

Philip

667. Do the laws of God trump those of man?

Comment #101887 by Philip1978 on December 21, 2007 at 4:31 am

"Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make messes in the house."

That's me buggered then, I am rubbish with numbers! :)

God/Quetz obviously designed my body to cope with Shakespeare better!

Philip

668. 2007, a bad year for God squadders

Comment #101775 by Philip1978 on December 21, 2007 at 12:50 am

Bollocks!

My goodness, its as if the writer of the article didn't even read the first half of it - the bit about people doing incredibly stupid things on behalf of religion!

I really can't understand the mentality of it all - its like saying " Well, I know the sky is not an amusing shade of the colour purple but I still want to believe it, after all it is Friday!"

Tis still a mad world my masters!

Glad I am completely sane, beep!


Philip the Badger!

669. Borders Tags Atheist Book with 'O Come All Ye Faithless' Cards

Comment #100688 by Philip1978 on December 19, 2007 at 5:57 am

Hmm found this, what do folk think?

http://www.jesuspolice.com/common_error.php?id=2

I think its hilarious!


Philip

670. Borders Tags Atheist Book with 'O Come All Ye Faithless' Cards

Comment #100685 by Philip1978 on December 19, 2007 at 5:36 am

Dog Boots

In the church where I sing every sunday and my dad plays the organ, I hear it every December 24th. He always plays this particular song after each of the 3 services with 2 trombones and 2 trumpets besides the organ.

Good grief, how many arms and mouths does that guy have? Thats bloomin impressive!! hehehe :)


I too love the way these guys are frothing over something that they don't own the intellectual property rights to!


Philip

671. God rest you merry atheist

Comment #100009 by Philip1978 on December 18, 2007 at 4:04 am

HEY V!!

Gotcha! You posted again didn't you!! hehehehe

Happy Mithras my dear!



Philip

672. World History

Comment #99600 by Philip1978 on December 17, 2007 at 6:52 am

Fides, you seem to have missed a lot of what I was saying

More specifically, on the subject of that young girl. You seem to be blaming the Church for what happened to her.

I am indeed, prove to me that wasn't the Catholic Church's fault in anyway shape or form that they thought traumatising a 13 year old girl was better than helping her come to terms with the nightmare that she has to live with.

The callous church you speak of is just not reality.

Huh? Didn't I make it clear enough? The Vatican's effect on this planet is horrific, I am annoyed that they are doing good and bad things in God's name- why not do just good things? The doctrine clearly states it, the Pope clearly states it ALL abortion is wrong, all contraception is wrong and people are DYING because of it - how much more proof do you need?

"it's merely a reflection of media portrayals of some people and some events.

Er no, media had nothing to do with it apart from reporting it

You also pay no attention to any psychological damage that she might suffer as a result of her own child being killed.

Sorry, I have a real hard time telling a 13 year old rape victim that instead of being able to abort the baby of her attacker that she must in fact have it because God insists. What is so wrong with the morning after pill in that situation? Does quality of life somehow not matter here? She is 13 years old, traumatised beyond belief for being raped - something that will never leave her for the rest of her life and you think its right to grow up with a kid that is unplanned and forced upon her in the most horrific circumstances? I don't want to think you would be that cruel - I know the Catholic Church would, its written in their doctrine, not the media.

Whilst we are on the subject of abortions, you do know that about 50/60% of pregnancies abort without women realising they are even pregnant? Plus there are the horrible misfortune of mis-carriages which accounts for about 30%, plus babies being born with diseases that end up killing them very shortly after birth so the list of women aborting for other reasons is very slim indeed and I feel the Church's opposition of this is quite frankly pathetic and highly unjustified

Stop justifying the actions of the Vatican - unless you can prove to me that they don't commit global atrocities that would have had them locked away had they not been religious then I am sorry, I will continue to call for their arrest.


Philip

673. Creationists plan British theme park

Comment #99518 by Philip1978 on December 17, 2007 at 12:49 am

'It will be a halfway house for youngsters,' Jones said. 'Today all they do is binge drink. We will be able to offer them an alternative.'

Sorry, but I would rather kids binge drink!!

On television today there is so much sex and violence, it is no wonder our youth are binge drinking

huh?

Sex and violence on the TV has bugger all to do with binge drinking, I haven't met a single kid whose motivation to go out on a bender was thinking to themselves "Well, after a good day's watching sex and violence that's it, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOZE!"


I hate it went religious folk do this, making sex out to be wrong etc when we are talking about a bloody theme park? (Well, ok the Bible does contain scenes of graphic violence and shed loads of sex - I take it nobody has pointed that out to them?) I hate this thinly disguised message that has nothing to do with the actual message they are wanting to put out, like as Diacanu said, stuff that undermines science and prods us back towards the dark ages - We don't want kids actually learning anything valuable!

Perhaps if kids had something better to do than hear all this drivel they might actually learn to stop binge drinking because of the dangers involved?

Now, where's that wine, its 8:48 in the morning :)!


Philip

674. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #98677 by Philip1978 on December 14, 2007 at 3:00 am

Diacanu

Ruht hasn't pissed me off, I wont let him, he just disappointed me- if I was pissed off he would know about it!

Philip

675. World History

Comment #98632 by Philip1978 on December 14, 2007 at 12:55 am

Missed the point? Exactly what point did I miss Fides?

I basically outlined why I thought the Vatican have been and will continue to be a bunch of accessories to murder. I was asking you why the hell you stick up for them? All this over sex or "souls" - you saw what Goldy posted- there are people like that all over the world, why can't you see what I am getting at?

This is psychological genocide - credulous people letting themselves die or spread disease all because of a doctrine of an evil book whose words have been twisted and turned into what you see today. What have I got to do to show you the impact the Catholic Church has over people - you might have rejected some of the bigotry and I am proud of you for that but there are others in this world needlessly suffering and you need to realise this, I think its so important

So here are my questions, this is all to do with what I have been wanting to discuss with you

1. I have heard countless stories but I will use one to make my point - 13 Year old girl, living in Ireland, walking home one early evening when she gets grabbed into an alley, beaten and then raped to within an inch of her life. She is found and taken to hospital where she slowly recovers and the doctors perform the usual tests. They find out she has been made pregnant by her attacker - what was the Catholic Church's view on this? She should have the baby, no doubt about it

She had to go to England to have it aborted in the end which cause no end of hassle.

Why did the Church act like this - this poor girl has to grow up with the psychological torture of being raped, something that never leaves rape victims and there were a bunch of men telling her that she is to have her attacker's baby

How cruel is that?

2. HPV virus, am sure you have heard of it - it has links to sex and can cause cervical cancer - its pretty nasty. A new drug was brought out with NO side effects and it was 100% effective - called Gardasil- What was the Catholic Church's response - Absolutely not happy with this drug because it encourages women to have sex more and promiscuity is out of the question - Again, there is this obsession with sex being bad and that human life is completely superfluous.

How cruel is that?

See, here is what I getting at Fides - The Catholic Church should not be having this influence over people - religion shouldn't have this effect over people, its not just yours that's at fault. I am sure you have seen recently on here the awful stories about Jehovah's witnesses refusing blood transfusions and then dying - it all equates to the same thing.

People are dying for no GOOD reasons - piety and subservience to some god is not going to help this world cure disease - knowledge, education and prevention will cure it.

I want you to acknowledge the barbarity and needless killing that stems from what the Vatican has caused over the centuries and what it is still doing now. I have referred to Billy Sands phrase mental torture many a time and I want to again - people are psychologically damaged by religion, its not enough that people have disease or have to see loved ones die, its the fact that religion is adding to it.

Please think about this - the reason I am picking on the Vatican here is because its the religion you follow. I could plough into any religion and expose the needless damage it does and will keep on doing if people don't wake up to this.

What is the point of it all? Why do people have to infect each other with a disease all because the Catholic Church says contraceptives are evil? It makes the Vatican look so callous and cold blooded - the value of human life over religious nonsense. If it was anything else other than religious reasons these madmen would have been arrested and brought to justice a long time ago - why does religion deserve this special treatment? They are getting people murdered or psychologically tortured for nothing more that belief and faith.


Does that make any sense to you Fides or am I just wasting my time? I dont for one second think you are callous, cold blooded or stupid. But what does really confuse me is why you support it?

Philip

676. World History

Comment #98188 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 8:21 am

No Fides, its that bloody stupid message that the Catholic Church keeps pounding in to the credulous that contraception is a bad thing, you must of heard that Archbishop saying that the AIDS virus was actually on the condoms - did you hear the Pope condemn him?

All the stories of rape victims being denied abortions, all the women who are dying of cervical cancer because of stupid idiots voting against a drug that could cure it- the list goes on, its all wrong! What don't you understand about the effect the Pope and his cronies have on this world?

The message that contraception is a sin and that abstinence is the key to a moral life is quite frankly monstrous -PEOPLE ARE DYING BECAUSE OF THIS CRAP! Its The Vatican who helped make this crap up - They and the Pope are very responsible, they are the ones with death on their hands - yes other factors are involved and its not just them but for goodness sake they could do something about it!

They could do some good in this world and all they bring is death - how they live with it is beyond me and why you stick up for him is a mystery - what the hell is so wrong about saving lives in face of such dangerous beliefs?

If the Pope stood up tomorrow and announced he was sorry and actually pledged himself to helping with the problems, I would applaud him, I really would- but he does nothing except advocate it and I am sick of it

Philip

677. World History

Comment #98166 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 7:10 am

Also interesting that the Pope has apologised for most of the actions describes above

Yes, very good, now if he could also apologise to all the AIDS victims whose death is on his and the Vatican's hands would be a great start. Then he should tell the people in all the countries that have been lied to so far about how wearing condoms is a sin and that actually they can significantly reduce the spread of AIDS, perhaps I might give His Holy Father a bit more respect.

I know I keep bleating on about this but until I figure out why you like that man I will keep reminding you of just how much of an evil man the Pope is.

Philip

678. An Open Letter to Richard Dawkins

Comment #98088 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 4:06 am

FatherMike

Interesting views but I think Steve has hit the main point- browse through this site and I can confirm that there is, as Steve says, no single route to Atheism.

You ask some here and they will tell you that they believed just as much as you do now, if you ask me I can tell you I have never had a religious experience in my entire life. My path to it was simple - at 8 years old I discovered prayer did not work so I gave up on it all - it meant nothing to me, there was nothing that my reality could not explain better.

I came to this site and discovered that non belief does not create that "Identity" that you could probably identify with your church - I think I might be brave here and say that there are a lot of things about your religion that define you and your congregation as that religion you follow. I don't want to assume things here, so correct me, but I think you are identifying your religious practices to that of Atheism. There is no set practice, tradition or procedure to being an atheist - non belief in gods couldn't ever have a correct "path". I for one don't do things because I am an atheist -

I will see if I can explain better, last night I helped a disabled person by carrying his shopping to his car, I didn't automatically think about my lack of belief in gods - I did it to help that person, it put a smile on his face. I would imagine, again assuming a lot here, there are certain things you do in life that requires thoughts about your God - that you might be doing something in his name? Does it not define you as an Anglican in some way that there are certain religious practices that coincide with your interaction with people. Perhaps when you are talking to grieving people or talking about marriage - possibly advice on sex or drinking habits etc A lot of what you believe in adds to the way you live your life.

Atheism is not like that, it does not have rules or practices that define one from the other - yes we don't believe in gods but it holds no light to how we live our lives or act.

Does that help explain things a bit? I am probably wiffling as per usual but I thought I would have a go at it! :)

Philip

679. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #98020 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 2:01 am

Tyler,

Ruht started it!

Philip

680. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #98016 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 1:54 am

Verylee,

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the singular intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.[1] It often has a broader meaning referring to any shady trouble making Internet activity.

Compliments of Wikipedia!

Philip

681. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #98015 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 1:51 am

Huh?

Ruht, I think I was civil enough to you back there, don't I get an answer?

You say that about the tooth fairy - well that's how I feel about God - people invented the tooth fairy, made a silly ritual about leaving your teeth under the pillow so you would get money in the morning. When in reality it was people's parents sneaking in and putting money there. For children it makes the whole thing a bit magical - because they don't know about the parents actions they are more than convinced the tooth fairy exists. Ask any small child who participates in this ritual and they will be more than convinced - you and I know this is not the case and perhaps when explaining it to them later on in life they also become aware the tooth fairy does not exist


Does that not sound at all familiar to the situation you are in? If not, how does it differ exactly?

Philip

682. Voyager 2 probe reaches solar system boundary

Comment #97994 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 1:11 am

I am with Dr B on this one, my parents had a fridge that they bought in 1976 I think it packed up earlier this year - they dont make em like they used to!

Seriously, this is an amazing achievement and I am also very proud to be human - from the amazing photos we get from Hubble to the outstanding distance the Voyager probes have gone, just a testimony to the things the NASA boys and girls are great at!

BRAVO!

Philip

683. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #97990 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 12:54 am

You are a very great evil.

Pot calling the kettle black?

There you had Deuteronomy in all its glory posted in front of you, every nasty, evil, vicious, dangerous word about how you should rape women, hold them captive, shave their heads etc and look at you defending it all and telling us we are a great evil?

LOOK AT YOURSELF! For goodness sake stop this nonsense

So I take it that a "troll" to you bigoted totalitarian darwinists is anyone who refuses to bow to you and your beliefs, anyone who has a mind of their own and doesn't back down.

It seems to me you don't have a mind of your own and that you are a slave to a god that doesn't exist, a slave to a religion that was created by some very evil men who wrote such horrible things in that book you quote from. Look at yourself, frothing away at everyone who happens to disagree with you.

I have a mind of my own thanks very much and I dont have any beliefs in gods, tooth fairies, pixies - though I am still waiting for confirmation of small blue furry creatures from Alpha Centauri!


Just go, sit down and think about what you are typing before just quote mining the Bible to death, I have been as civil as I can with you, if you want an intelligent discussion about your beliefs, fine, we can do that here. But like Quetz said, stop hurling the fire and brimstone because you are not scaring anyone but yourself.

If not then just wallow in your anger and hate, see what happens or go for a more positive approach to things - its your choice. I suggest you take the more positive approach and see where it gets you for a change, we are not your enemy, in fact I would say YOU are your greatest enemy and your religion is not helping.

Stick to petty name calling and false threats and you will be chucked off this site - enough people have trolled you already and I dont think you will last long if you carry on.

Apologise, calm down and invite proper discussion about your beliefs- then hey, I will chat to you about it- no problem

The choice is yours

Philip

684. U.S. Congress Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith

Comment #97980 by Philip1978 on December 13, 2007 at 12:15 am

Whereas Christians identify themselves as those who believe
in the salvation from sin offered to them through the sacrifice
of their saviour, Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
and who, out of gratitude for the gift of salvation, commit
themselves to living their lives in accordance with the
teachings of the Holy Bible

Yes, I can just imagine a load of Christians even standing up to this one saying " But that's not MY religion, you got that ALL wrong!"


This is pathetic - I guess now it really is "One Nation under God"

Oh well, at least my Prime Minister is not pathetic....oh balls! :)

Philip

685. Functional Neuroimaging of Belief, Disbelief, and Uncertainty

Comment #97446 by Philip1978 on December 12, 2007 at 5:10 am

Naah. It is clearly sideways cleavage.

You have a one tracked mind young man, I am very proud of you! hehehe!

Philip

686. Functional Neuroimaging of Belief, Disbelief, and Uncertainty

Comment #97365 by Philip1978 on December 12, 2007 at 1:00 am

I thought it was a sideways boner

You have a one tracked mind young lady, I am very proud of you! hehehe!

Truth may be beauty, and beauty truth, in more than a metaphorical sense, and false propositions might actually disgust us

I always knew Keats was right! (Well, apart from that un-weaving the rainbow stuff..guess he was only human!)

Philip

687. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #97358 by Philip1978 on December 12, 2007 at 12:17 am

Ruht,

Just for your information, around 50% of abortions are natural, ie the pregnancy never gets noticed, I would say about another 25% or so are horrible painful miscarriages- do you really think that atheism is responsible for that? I am sorry but who is the biggest abortionist here? If your God exists then who is doing that aborting - Richard Dawkins? Me?

Oh yes and thanks for not apologising about your views on rape - I can now safely label you a troll for that without thinking, I don't see the point in discussing anything with you because quite frankly you have no idea what is going on in this world.

My best friend was raped and it breaks my heart to know that I can do nothing about it except be there for her for the rest of my life if she ever needs my help. You seem to think she deserved it and you have the audacity to call everybody else evil and not realise the hurt and damage you have caused just by saying that.

Atheists are the most foolish, vile, hate-filled, dishonest people on the planet

No Ruht, YOU are the most hate-filled and dishonest person around here so far, primarily because you refuse to admit it to yourself.

I am very disappointed in you

Philip

688. An Open Letter to Richard Dawkins

Comment #96942 by Philip1978 on December 11, 2007 at 6:12 am

Brian,

I replied to that here is my response:

What utter rot, how on Earth can you say that it was Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens who made this man do the awful thing he did?

Sorry, which God gave this woman her steely resolve? Thor? Allah in disguise, Mars? Prove to me your God had any hand in it - why the hell didnt he simply have a quick word with the gun man or take the gun away from him- basically God could have intervened in much better ways but somehow He didnt!

You dare blame atheism for this man's actions, he was mentally unstable and angry possibly due to a difficult upbringing, who knows what suddenly happened inside his brain but it wasn't his atheism "telling" him to do it - ATHEISM IS NOT A BELIEF OR CONTROLLING FACTOR!

Islamic fundamentalists or the Pope can justify their actions because they are deluded enough to think their god told them - atheism is just a lack of belief in gods, that's it - get over it!

Are you telling me that should you lose your faith, thats it, its baby killing time?! Its simply amazing that in all my 29 years I have never done such a thing!

Hang on, I see some Christians - I am off to bludgeon them to death for their non atheist ways! Mwwwwwwhahahahaha!

Evil Philip :)

689. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #96866 by Philip1978 on December 11, 2007 at 2:57 am

It is the unsaved in need of a physician.

I say physician heal thyself

690. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #96831 by Philip1978 on December 11, 2007 at 1:52 am

Ruht

That was not an apology, you just quoted the Bible back at me

This really sickens me that you can be so cold and absent from real life, I gave you the chance to apologise and you just spat some Biblical phrases at me that mean nothing.

Really, when your best friend is raped and that you could do nothing about it I think you may be in a better position think about just how offended I am by your suggestion that I am not "saved" or "born of God".

I am not usually one to say bad things about people, I always see if I can look for the best in them, but you I will make an exception for, there is nothing good in you at all

Philip

691. Why Science Will Triumph Only When Theory Becomes Law

Comment #96171 by Philip1978 on December 10, 2007 at 5:32 am

So the Bible says things like

Deuteronomy 22:13
" 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.


Or Judges 19 where its ok to rape women - especially virgin daughters - rather than your male house guests

Word of God? No, horrible words of vile and disgusting men who didn't know any better

What is this for goodness sake?

"Sounds like women were property to me."

That's because your 'ears' do not 'hear' properly, apparently.

One, you seem to know nothing about rape so stop talking about it like you do

Two, treat women better than that

Three, stop using the Bible to justify it, capital letters are not helping either, if you happen to agree with what disgustingly vile books like Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Judges, Genesis etc then I don't have much hope or respect for you

Please tell me I have got this all wrong about you, I don't mind admitting I am wrong or even apologising for perhaps getting the wrong end of the stick, but you wrote some things I found very offensive and I wont stand for it



Philip

692. Mitt Romney's Faith In America address (as prepared for delivery)

Comment #94986 by Philip1978 on December 7, 2007 at 5:36 am

USA_Limey
I'm wondering what the equivalent of the yellow star will be that I will have to sow on my clothing

Why not just get an Out Campaign T- Shirt? :)

Dear old Mit, what can I say?

"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation's founders

Ermmm am I reading this wrong or is Mit thinking that the founding fathers didn't want to separate religion and state?

These radical Islamists do their preaching not by reason or example,

Oh but you do huh Mitt? Preaching is not reasonable in a any religion as far as I remember

Incidentally, I wonder what a radical Mormon would do- I MUST MARRY MORE WOMEN, I WILL, GOD SAYS IT SHOULD BE LIKE THIS, INFIDELS MUST LET ME HAVE THEIR WOMEN, I'LL MARRY THEM ALL MWWWHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This election is a bad one kids, my sympathies are with you - at least we have a good Prime Minister over here to keep the future American President in check if over steps the mark....oh balls!


Philip

693. Sherri Shepherd needs to go away now

Comment #94673 by Philip1978 on December 6, 2007 at 8:25 am

Cheers Tyler
Me nice? What a concept, it will be a struggle, but needs must I suppose!


Philip :)

694. Sherri Shepherd needs to go away now

Comment #94672 by Philip1978 on December 6, 2007 at 8:23 am

Barbara,
Don't be embarrassed to admit to being American, it just so happens that in a mahooosive country like that there are bound to be some Sherri-like beings and also crap TV! I am enormously proud to be English yet my country has spawned Chavs! (Google if you need to!) I guess I am a true optimist! :)

I Ad Hominemed earlier, am I being a bad influence again?

Philip

695. Fox: 'Atheist Outrage' over holiday 'Tree of Knowledge'

Comment #94661 by Philip1978 on December 6, 2007 at 7:32 am

Despite that you still get religious leaders on tv saying 'people forget what the real meaning of christmas is' and i wonder just what that is????

I am with Bart Simpson on this, its the birth of Santa!

Philip

696. Sherri Shepherd needs to go away now

Comment #94601 by Philip1978 on December 6, 2007 at 3:30 am

Has anyone got Sherri's email? Or is she too thick to use the internet? (Philip, behave!)

I want to send her this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7124969.stm


(Nicked from Quetz's magnificent site, I hope thats ok oh mighty one?)

67 MILLION YEARS OLD SHERRI, NO CHRISTIANS ABOUT THEN DARLING


Oh and by the way

http://www.southbaymobilization.org/newsroom/earth/USFromSpaceWithStars1024.jpg

THATS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!

(Or possibly this

http://www.ithadtobeyou.net/carpe/turtle.gif)

I know I am a complete and utter Tea drinking lunatic whose outlook on life is far more weird than most of you can muster but this is just diabolical!

Oh dear look, I Ad hominemed! BAD ME! :)


Philip

697. Fox: 'Atheist Outrage' over holiday 'Tree of Knowledge'

Comment #94583 by Philip1978 on December 6, 2007 at 2:33 am

"Do you feel that intimidated?" Downey asked. "Do you feel so intimidated by our presence? Do you feel so intimidated that you can't even allow us to participate as a fellow citizen?"

"So many people who I work with on a daily basis, who are really struggling with faith, look and say, 'You know what? I'm embarrassed,'" said Morris.
"Because you're an atheist, you're trying to say therefore we're going to sabotage what is a holiday, a religious holiday.

This says it all for me- People are struggling their faith we need to brainwash them some more, how dare you give them ideas and the right to think for themselves?!! Oh and why are you insulting MY religion, it deserves more respect cos its HOLY!

BAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Thank you George! (Stephen Fry, Blackadder goes Forth)

Philip

698. Bad Faith Awards: Vote for the winner now

Comment #94562 by Philip1978 on December 6, 2007 at 1:42 am

Random_Interrupt

But wasn't he taking orders from the Pope? The Pope laid down those guidelines and told his evil henchmen to go off and spread the message. I don't doubt the archbishop deserves punishment, but the Pope sent him there to do it.

Philip

699. Bad Faith Awards: Vote for the winner now

Comment #94548 by Philip1978 on December 6, 2007 at 1:20 am

I went for the Pope, out of the lot of them, he is the biggest cause of fear, misery and death on a global scale

Chuck, Dinesh, Dawkins(!) The General, Westboro - It would help their popularity and egos too much and I dont want them to have the credit, especially that miscreant Dawkins! :)

The religious idiots are only technically taking orders from "on high" and Joyce Pratt is just plain stupid and is too small scale

The pope is large scale, his ego would not be boosted and I think it disgraces him more than it would the others, so please don't let Dinesh win, he would love it and lord (laud- gettit?) it too much

Philip

700. Fear of censure deflects The Golden Compas

Comment #94228 by Philip1978 on December 5, 2007 at 3:59 am

"On a scale of 1 to 5 rate your agreement with the following statements. Where 1 is totally agree, and 5 totally disagree.

I loved "his dark materials".
I have almost always considered myself an atheist.
I used to be an enthusiastic fundamentalist theist."

3 (havent finished them yet but am enjoying it thanks to my new Daemon Fox, Androne!), 1,5

Philip