Comments by irate_atheist

701. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188350 by irate_atheist on June 4, 2008 at 2:13 am

851. Comment #188345 by AllanW -

I'll admit I was wrong.

I have suggested that appleby is an ignorant, bigoted, misogynistic, racist, homophobic cunt on this thread. I apologise unreservedly for not including the words 'rank hypocrite' in the list.

I can only hope that you, my good friends, will find it in your hearts to forgive me. I am so ashamed of my omission in this matter.

I'm so, so, sorry.

702. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188142 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 9:08 am

758. Comment #188139 by Appleby -

Comment #188134 by esuther

I just might. I'm not getting any real answers to my questions anyway.

A real answer being one that agrees with your ignorant worldview?

703. Ben Stein 1, Yoko Ono 0 in 'Expelled' copyright spat

Comment #188078 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 7:48 am

The Judge is clearly a twat.

You use my image or my intellectual property in your film, you'd better get my permission for it.

704. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188076 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 7:46 am

715. Comment #188073 by Appleby -

A lion does not ask a gazelle for it's consent prior to hunting and eating it. Do you think it should? Or that, as consent can't be given, that it should do it anyway?

705. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188075 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 7:43 am

713. Comment #188071 by Appleby -

I was pointing out, without quoting you out of context, that you are a liar as you asked no such question before epeeist asked it of you.

706. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188072 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 7:40 am

711. Comment #188068 by Appleby -

Yet, we do much worse to animals (hunt, slaughter etc.) without their consent and think little of it.

Bullshit. We have laws governing animal husbandry and mandating methods of slaughter.

I have some trouble with the fundamental idea of "consent" being the basis for sexual relations. It is quite reasonable between humans (we cannot force people to have sex) but when applied to animals, it seems to have an automatic ruling.

Why is it quite reasonable between humans but not reasonable between humans and other animal species. Justify your assertion.

Edit: The underlining was added, because, well, sometimes you just have to.

707. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188066 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 7:33 am

698. Comment #188045 by Appleby -

Comment #188042 by epeeist

I am not aware of anyone here who would condone bestiality.

As to justification - are you claiming that there is some objective moral value that forbids such an act?

Then what is our basis for not condoning it?

701. Comment #188053 by Appleby -

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Comment #188047 by epeeist

Actually I asked the question first (refer Comment #188020 by Appleby).

And I don't have an answer. I'm trying to see if any of you, especially the homosexuals, do.

Comment #188020 by Appleby on June 3, 2008 at 6:53 am

Comment #187973 by Bonzai

I am simply trying to establish whether or not homosexuals view themselves (and consequently their rights) as somehow different from those who practice bestiality. If so, I would like to know what criteria they use and if these criteria have any basis in science, for one thing. The reason for this is because similar criteria could then perhaps be used to make the distinction between heterosexuals and homosexuals. I'm not looking for an excuse to discriminate against homosexuals but I think this line of reasoning and its unfortunate conclusion would be logically consistent. But please, correct me if you think I'm wrong.

So, precisely where did you ask the question why do we condemn bestiality?

It is plain to see that you asked: "I am simply trying to establish whether or not homosexuals view themselves (and consequently their rights) as somehow different from those who practice bestiality. If so, I would like to know what criteria they use and if these criteria have any basis in science, for one thing."

Or, more succintly to put in terms even you might grasp: 'Why do fags think they're any different to sheep shaggers?'

Which is not the same as (abbreviated): 'Why do we think it's wrong for me (Appleby) to fuck my cat?'

Answer epeeist's question.

Edit: Edited for clarity.

708. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188046 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 7:17 am

696. Comment #188043 by Appleby -

Comment #188035 by Peacebeuponme

One example would be unadopted children: I think homosexuals should be allowed to adopt in these circumstances.
And in other circumstances?

Or perhaps, in context:

Homosexual 'rights' do not come in to it,decisions must be made in the best interests of children. One example would be unadopted children: I think homosexuals should be allowed to adopt in these circumstances.

709. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188013 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 6:44 am

Quetz -

Plinth.

710. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188009 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 6:39 am

Quetz - No, this is a different Appleby.

711. The Challenge of the New Creationism

Comment #188006 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 6:37 am

50. Comment #187921 by epeeist -

Comment #187767 by thewhitepearl
I'm going to politely ignore the comments about my avatar

Why? If that is a picture of you then you are a beautiful woman...

It's actually a picture of me, although it bears no resemblance to me whatsoever. Why thewhitepearl insists on using a misrepresenation of myself as an avatar, I simply can't fathom. It makes no sense.

712. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187987 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 5:37 am

658. Comment #187981 by epeeist -

I might amend my statement to say that he argued in a juvenile manner.

...whereas I'm still happy to stand by the statement I made some moments ago.

;o)

713. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187980 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 5:26 am

652. Comment #187970 by Appleby -

Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies.

Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain.

For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston.

And so nevermore shall we see you again.

714. When two worlds collide: threat of class warfare over faith-based schooling

Comment #187975 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 5:14 am

40. Comment #187971 by Healyhatman -

It is - as you quite rightly point out - a crock of shit.

715. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187972 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 5:07 am

652. Comment #187970 by Appleby -

Time of death: 12:02 GMT

Cause: Being a cunt.

716. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187933 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 4:18 am

615. Comment #187928 by Appleby -

How many times do we have to remind you of the baselessness of your misogynistic, homophobic, racist bigotry?

717. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187906 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 2:33 am

602. Comment #187905 by Appleby -

We are discussing adoption you fuckwitted troll.
No one has suggested that adoptive parents who rape their children are better than foster homes.

No one has suggested that adoptive child abusers are better than well run care homes.

No one has suggested putting children in the hands of adoptive child abusers is a great idea.

You said we said anything.

You are a liar.

718. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187903 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 2:21 am

600. Comment #187899 by Appleby -

LIAR!!!!!!!!!

You are only looking at the adoption problem and think that anything is better than the kids remaining unadopted.

At no point has anyone on this thread suggested that anything is better. Anything? Child rape? Abuse? Daily whippings?

By my calculation, if we gave Appleby an enema, he could be buried in a matchbox.

719. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187894 by irate_atheist on June 3, 2008 at 2:05 am

594. Comment #187890 by Brian English -

Baaaaaa!!!

720. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187579 by irate_atheist on June 2, 2008 at 10:23 am

437. Comment #187568 by Appleby -

To which, I would add, you're clearly a cunt.

Good evening all.

721. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187525 by irate_atheist on June 2, 2008 at 9:27 am

46. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187150 by Appleby on June 1, 2008 at 11:29 am

Comment #187145 by MaxD

I think homosexuals are better off living in communities of their .own. They'll be more comfortable there. I don't mind having them as my neighbour. I would prefer a straight person, though.

Some statements just need underlining.
Edit: tag typo

722. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187507 by irate_atheist on June 2, 2008 at 9:13 am

396. Comment #187504 by Appleby -

It's considerably after lunch now.

The evidence is in.

The jury have deliberated.

Result?

Fucktard

Edit: Flag your edits, you supercilious prick.

723. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187433 by irate_atheist on June 2, 2008 at 6:18 am

350. Comment #187431 by Appleby -

Comment #187429 by AllanW

You *do* realize you are calling me prejudiced (several times now already) based on my personal feelings about homosexuality, don't you? Are you sure you want to continue?

Given that you are a self-confessed homophobic bigot, we will wait and see what he writes.

724. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187390 by irate_atheist on June 2, 2008 at 5:01 am

314. Comment #187381 by Appleby -

I could replace 'fucking cats' with 'homosexuality' almost word-for-word in your post (refer Comment #187371). And that's my point. You essentially have no reason to stop people from fucking cats (or any other animal for that matter) because of your support for homosexuality.

One word: consent.

And if I have to explain to you why a society where men fuck exclusively women is better off than one where men fuck other men...then you clearly have some twisted ideas.

Spot the bigot contest. No evidence, personal prejudice.

Guilt has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. All that remains is that I pronounce sentence on this miserable individual.

Perhaps after lunch.

725. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187343 by irate_atheist on June 2, 2008 at 2:16 am

6665. Comment #187341 by Peribolos -

I am not my brother's keeper.

726. Richard Dawkins interviewed by John Humphrys on Cardinal Murphy O'Connor

Comment #187339 by irate_atheist on June 2, 2008 at 2:09 am

192. Comment #187331 by hcaroe -

I like Cardinal Murphy O'Connor.

That's never a good start.

I think the only reason any of you listen to Richard Dawkins is because he is a big bully (listen to the tone of voice he uses) who is setting himself up as God, and to be worshipped.

Indeed. He is well known for threats of violence and eternal damnation for those who do not follow his non-creed. [/sarcasm]

Look at the photos at the top of the page!

What? The one with O'Connor in a dress? Surely some mistake.

Surely you have better things to do than hanging around here, being bitter.

Unlike the Murphys, I'm not bitter.

Maybe try praying.

Ceiling Cat sez, srsly? I goen fishin and I not ansa yur prerz till friday. lol! Yo wastin yo tiem wiv dat. kthxbai!

727. Scientists rally against creationist 'superstition'

Comment #187011 by irate_atheist on June 1, 2008 at 4:35 am

24. Comment #186973 by clearthinker -

I write as someone who went with an open mind, looking to be convinced and presented with the evidence

No you didn't. You went as someone with their brain hanging out. You are a wilfully ignorant religious bigot.

P.S - Written any dodgy cheques recently?

728. How to reconcile Richard Dawkins?

Comment #186690 by irate_atheist on May 31, 2008 at 4:35 am

644. Comment #186674 by epeeist -

To wit, next on the list: Adam Crozier?

729. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #186356 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 7:53 am

Fucktard.

She's better off without him.

730. Senate bill allows display of Lord's Prayer, 10 Commandments

Comment #186353 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 7:51 am

The slippery slope just got slippier and a bit steeper.

The descent into the maelstrom continues.

731. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #186324 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 6:41 am

199. Comment #186322 by al-rawandi -

Perhaps it's a case of 'better the devil you know' for both of us on this one.

Stil, when peak oil really starts to bite, all bets are off anyway...

...*ducks*

732. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #186318 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 6:23 am

196. Comment #186307 by al-rawandi -

I see two major concerns you raise in the 'free' versus 'free market' healthcare debate:

1. Quality of treatment.

2. Cost of treatment (through tax/insurance) to the patient.

These are both valid points - and important.

I am adding the 'fairness' concern. The trickiest of the lot...

I suppose my approach in life is to tend towards 'fairness' at the slight expense of, well, expense. Unlike FF, I'm pleased my tax pays for the treatment of people I may well never meet. (Yes, I am narked by how some of the money is spent, but no system is perfect). Society as a whole - of which I am part - benefits.

I am of the opinion that access to healthcare should be based on clinical need and not cost (to the patient). Others may have a different opinion.

733. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #186274 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 3:23 am

125. Comment #185980 by FightingFalcon -

You say that you and your sister are happy with government-run health care - I just hope you don't require a highly technical surgical procedure that puts you on a waiting list where you will never see a doctor. Are you also happy knowing that the amount of money that you give to the government in additional taxes could have easily paid for a private insurance program that would have been much more efficient?

1. Replacing aorta - not a tricky technical procedure? Is that why she's being operated on by one of the UK's top heart surgeons in a specialist unit?

2. More efficient - maybe, maybe not. How much of the 'efficiency savings' turn into 'profits'?

734. Flea of the week

Comment #186269 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 3:16 am

epeeist -

Doubt it, after all I sometimes agree with Al-Rawandi.

Then I am obliged to question your judgement...

:o)

735. Flea of the week

Comment #186260 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 2:57 am

epeeist - Are you sure you're not my long-lost twin brother? Seperated only by an accident of birth and about 20 years?

736. Flea of the week

Comment #186256 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 2:49 am

Vaal -

Uh huh.

737. Altruism in social insects is a family affair

Comment #186253 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 2:45 am

11. Comment #186243 by Neal -

The really interesting thing was, however, that when each team was asked to select a team member to remove, all but one of the teams selected the devil's advocate.

(Sorry, I can't remember which book it was)

Probably Leviticus.

738. Flea of the week

Comment #186252 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 2:43 am

88. Comment #186247 by epeeist -

I came across this site recently - http://www.godchecker.com/

2850 deities and counting.

Including or excluding Clapton?

739. Flea of the week

Comment #186249 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 2:40 am

87. Comment #186246 by Corylus -

As a former Scout myself, I recall no Gods or gay-bashing being involved. Just a lot of games of 'Bulldog'.

740. Flea of the week

Comment #186242 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 2:33 am

85. Comment #186240 by scottishgeologist -

Blair is clearly a fucktard. A danger to all he deals with. The man can't even recognise truth, let alone tell it. Dire, dire, dire. Why did no one spill the beans on this cretin years ago? Religion Poisons Everything.

741. Flea of the week

Comment #186239 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 2:23 am

83. Comment #186235 by Vaal -

The late Lord (Roy) Jenkins did say Blair had "...a first class political temperament but only a second class mind."

Given Bliar's stupidity as regards the Iraq war and other debacles, Lord Jenkins may have been only half right...

742. Religion's Real Child Abuse

Comment #186233 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 2:01 am

RD - This article is spot on. I could tell you stories that would make your ears bleed.

And as for the interlopers:

8. Comment #18400 by kwirth -

Fuckwit. Another pathetic attempt at emulating Pascal's Wager.

25. Comment #43987 by ronhende -

End to end bollocks. No True Scotsman writ large.

33. Comment #89694 by rddbug -

...I believed that when I died I would simply disappear

That is correct. You cease to experience anything as your brain is no longer active. Big deal. An Appeal to Emotion, nothing else.

Today I am not in the mood for taking prisoners. It is, after all, a Friday. And I go 'tard hunting on Fridays.

743. Hitchens and Boteach Debate on God

Comment #186230 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 1:45 am

160. Comment #130085 by The Bishop -

In response:

Luke 19:27 - "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me."

Matthew 10:34-39 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

Nice bloke, eh?

Nothing like Jim Jones or David Koresh in any respect. [/sarcasm]

744. Flea of the week

Comment #186228 by irate_atheist on May 30, 2008 at 1:34 am

Delusion alert:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/may/30/tonyblair.religion

'I can't cope with reality and the pressure of my (chosen) career so I need an imaginary friend' is what it boils down to.

Really pathetic, to be honest.

745. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #185979 by irate_atheist on May 29, 2008 at 9:40 am

123. Comment #185975 by al-rawandi -

That's no excuse. Pull your finger out man.

Currently I'm working on a cure for Bill Gates^TM and hope to find a solution in the next few weeks.

746. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #185972 by irate_atheist on May 29, 2008 at 9:25 am

120. Comment #185968 by al-rawandi -

Those who can't afford health care should have it subsidized by the government.

Ah, but what should and what should not be subsidised. Who should and who should not be helped? Are we talking about a sliding scale of financial assistance or are there cut-off points?

P.S - Put your strawman away. Gasoline might be expensive, but I can still afford a gallon or two of the stuff and a lighter to go with it :)

P.P.S - Pah!! Windmills are for Dutchmen. We aim lower in the UK, usually heading for the gutter and hoping we'll hit the pavement on the way down.

P.P.P.S - Edit [fucking typos]

747. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #185965 by irate_atheist on May 29, 2008 at 8:52 am

117. Comment #185963 by al-rawandi -

Hmm...forcing provate companies to insure people at a potential huge loss perhaps? With no funding from the state to support it?

Is that a lead balloon I see before me?

748. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #185964 by irate_atheist on May 29, 2008 at 8:50 am

116. Comment #185962 by al-rawandi -

When people get really really sick, anywhere in the world, they fly to the united states for treatment, not belgium

In some cases, perhaps. In other cases, perhaps they can't afford extortionate American fees and die. Those who live in free at point of use systems - that are world class - need not fly anywhere or bankrupt themselves or their families and also live.

Sometimes, just sometimes, your pseudo-arrogant one-tracked pro-americanism grates. It really does.

749. That's it. Texas really is doomed.

Comment #185961 by irate_atheist on May 29, 2008 at 8:41 am

114. Comment #185958 by esuther -

Here in the UK, if a governemt introduced legislation so that a Doctor's visit - or visit to the Doctor - were chargeable, well, I wouldn't bet on them being re-elected. Free at point of use medical services in the UK were a hard won universal right that was opposed by the Doctors themselves. Why? Because they could previously charge extortionate amounts - and if you couldn't afford it and died as a result, it was tough shit.

There's a lot of BS on this thread about how bad universal healthcare is. Try being uninsurable - through any provider, and requiring a replacement aorta due to an untreatable genetic disorder, before you start bullshitting on this subject. My sister's quite happy for things to be just as they are, thank you very much. And funnily enough, so am I.

750. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #185959 by irate_atheist on May 29, 2008 at 8:32 am

75. Comment #185879 by JuxtaMonkey -

I read the article. What a bunch of brain-dead tossers they are. Pathetic.