801. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171651 by Goldy on April 28, 2008 at 4:45 pm

Brian, maybe the rest of us have a mild form of ADH? I know this Mike has difficulty in doing more than just skim reading of anything (he generally writes under the name Goldy, I believe).
Even long posts are hard work for me! I can't get all that information in. It made my finals a bit of a nightmare - had to really do all my revision about 2 weeks before the exams as I had spent months before trying to read but only managing to skim...

802. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171641 by Goldy on April 28, 2008 at 4:34 pm

Etymology
The accepted etymology for "chav" is that it derives from the Romani word "chavi", meaning a child.[4] Related words derived from the same source include "charva" meaning prostitute (used in north-east England in a similar sense). In modern Spanish "chaval", "chavo" or "chavón" means "lad" (eg: El Chavo, a Mexican television comedy whose principal character is a street orphan).[5] "chavvy" is also a gypsy term for young person, or child as in "me lil chavvy". The term is known to have migrated into the local dialects of Dorset, Somerset and Wiltshire, in the post war years, coming into common usage in the late 1940's.

Many folk etymologies have sprung up around the word. These include backronyms such as "Council Housed And Violent" and "Council House Adult Vermin".[6] It has also been suggested that pupils at Cheltenham Ladies' College and Cheltenham College used the word to describe the younger men of the town ("Cheltenham Average").[7] Similarly, it has been thought to originate from the Medway Towns where it was used to describe people from the town of Chatham ("Chatham Average").

Edit - from Wikipedia

803. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171640 by Goldy on April 28, 2008 at 4:34 pm

Goldy do you know the etymology of Chav? In Spanish, a word for lad or young man is Chaval. I wonder if there's some link......

Not 100% sure but some reckon it's from Romany. It was just starting to appear in the UK when I left 6 years ago.

804. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171633 by Goldy on April 28, 2008 at 4:28 pm

Omnipotent? No.
Omniscient? No.
Benevolent? Generally.
Personal? Yes.
Transcendent? Not as such.
Interventionist? Yes, as it serves Him.

Impossible? No.
Improbable? Everything is improbable.

And we only have your word for that.
As for everythign being improbably, not so. Place a bottle of vodka in the same room as a chav and it is not improbable that it will be drunk (as will chav).
;-)

805. Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier

Comment #171620 by Goldy on April 28, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Kyrie, what about that article? Abused children taken away for presumably their own safety. What's the difference between these Mormon kids and the Iraqi girl above?

806. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171564 by Goldy on April 28, 2008 at 3:10 pm

That is what atheism is supposed to mean but the way Dawkins and many others treat is that religion is evil, god CANNOT exist and all theists are deluded and less intelligent than atheists.

Dunno about less intelligent - I read it mainly as deluded in that theists are backing the wrong horses. Look around you - for all the wonder you see, there is something dying and being eaten and rotting - all of it recycling in a closed system. For anything nice, there's something rather not nice. For all the little Bambis out there, there's a full wolf full of baby deer.
Religion is evil in the way it legitimises excesses, such as killings and slavery. yes, there is good in religion - but then there's good in all things, even athiesm. At least athiesm does not provide an excuse for evil. It shows evil and good laid bare for all to see. religion will disfigure good and mask evil if it was for (insert deity of choice).
And as your discussion with Elli shows, what you know of gods is all dependent on what other people tell you. Not one of you Christians here know anything about God or Jesus bar what you have read and been told. You know nothing at all and have nothing to base your religion on other that what other (presumably men) have told you. Hell, you don't even have all the gospels to hand to try and de-Paulinise Jesus. The most religious scholars in the land will let their own prejudices and cultures taint any message any god can give, as will their scholars and so on. No one knows anything about any god, yet they still presume to tell us.
Melissa (assuming you're still visiting), you said way back when what god intended for us, how good he is, how belief in Jesus will save us, how we are born in sin, etc, etc. You don't know any of this for sure. You cannot tell us that from your heart because it was not revealed to you by any god but by men intent on maintaining their power over a congregation.
Odd - people rail against repressive regimes, scream at torch bearers because of the Chinese Communist Party, yet willingly let some stranger talk to them on days of worship and accept the same injunctions that the repressive regimes give - only this time willingly! AND (damn, sorry for those capitals) tell others to accept them too!
As it is, I have recently had a baby (and another on it's way - assuming nothing goes wrong) and I can assure you, there was no sin in her at birth. None. Those who spout that line are, to me, the most evil people I can think of. To say that is to admit you'd kill your child and feel nothing but joy at their "salvation". That one line ensures I will never accept religion into my family.

807. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #171549 by Goldy on April 28, 2008 at 2:56 pm

Frankus

So I will ammend Goldy's statement to: Scientists are doing the work of God by providing a real explanation of how/why things are the way they are.

:-)

808. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170612 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Your adjectives astound me in their intellectual capacity to communicate sufficiently.

That's just me. Your use of SENTENCES FULL OF CAPITALS triggers something in me. Oh, and telling me (among others) to get a life.
OK...what are your views on micro/macro evolution? And can micro, over the space of a few million years, eventually become macro evolution?

809. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170607 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 9:00 pm

No I disagree that we all share common moral standards

We all know murder is wrong (the cold blooded sort. Obviously some will justify murder...). We know lying is bad, we know sleeping around is bad (even polygamous societies have a concept of infidelity).
In short, being nasty to someone is bad in all societies.
You have to be taught that it is OK to kill. Small children don't see race, creed etc when they play - they learn that stuff.

810. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170600 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:56 pm

In regards to moral standards. How can a society sustain if there are no acceptable universaly agreed upon standards? If we all have our own, then anything goes. There is no right from wrong.

Slavery, segregation, apartheit, racial superiority - all happened in living memory and all seen as good and proper. Indeed, justified by "The Good Book"
There is right from wrong. It is taught and learnt. Sometimes, right and wrong change over time. My great great grandfather probably didn't think slavery right but he probably accepted it. Early Tahitians saw nothing wrong with open sexual congress but thanks to western missionaries, they do now.
We all know what is good and bad - we are taught the morality of each by society.

811. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170593 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:52 pm

What are your thoughts in regards to the Cambrian explosion used by ID proponents as proof of spontaneous origin vs. gradual evolution?

tells me IDiots have no concept of geological time.....

812. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170588 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:49 pm

You all like to downplay God's power and authority, and make it seem like He makes really bad decisions for Himself. When you are God, then you can determine that. You're not God. You're man. You are trying to reason within yourself for why things happen the way they do. You'll never figure it out. You have to give it to a higher power eventually. Of that I'm very sure.

Aaaah, the old "God works in mysterious ways" line. Yet somehow, a bunch of ardent Christians are party to his purpose, indeed, so sure they know what his purpose is they have to try and interfere with everyone else. Jews are wrong, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, even other sects of the same religion - they're worng and have not understood his message.
How do you know we athiests are not doing God's work?

813. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170582 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:45 pm

AND THERE IT IS GOLDY!

And turn off your Caps Lock

814. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170579 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:44 pm

Somebody give me something that is a reasonable argument.

You're a fucking idiot.
Oh, and there is no God.

815. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170576 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:43 pm

BOTH UNPROVEN BY THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Get a life - the lot of you.

Fuck off back to your own life and leave us to lead ours.
Tosspot.
Typical fucking religious prick, coming in and trying to fuck up everyone's fun.
Fuck off. I'm sure you've got much more imortant things to do, like, say, baiting Jews or enslaving Africans.

816. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170569 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:39 pm

But the mere fact that they independently separately involved but yet are so similar is astounding to me considering the variables and circumstances.

They got to do the same thing. Why are articulated limbs so similar? Body coverings? Breathing apparati?
Why are plant cells so similar to each other yet so different from animal cells?

817. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170555 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:31 pm

That's a real problem for me. That the eye can evolve separately several times by chance and be so alike. It just does not reason with me.

They all have to do the same thing. All cars look similar but there were a whole bunch of people that tried to invent one :-) Same with flying objects.
As it is, there's light sensors, compound eyes, our eyes, molluscan eyes.... to name the ones I know.
And don't forget, evolution is a part of an arms race. If you have something that gives you the advantage over the others, you succeed. Good eye wins, poor eye loses. Good eye has heaps of babies and eats poor eyes.... get the idea?

818. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170544 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:26 pm

I realize, that a far more number of scientists are pro evolution,but it seems that the ID scientists are able to poke holes or weaken the Evolution theory enough to cause doubt, at least to me.

Given science is much more evidence based than faith based, shouldn't this tell you something? I'm curious as to what evidence ID give that poke holes. Seems to me everything is rather successfully refuted and evolutionary explanations given.

Yes the lack of true scientific, observable, Etc. for ID is true but should I automaticaly accept evolution?

No, of course not. Every testable hypothesis is gratefully accepted (massive egos notwithstanding! And there's nothing like a groundshaking theory to get those egos on the rise!). For 50 years, the Piltdown Man was accepted before someone had the temerity to actually do some testing. If there is something to ID, we'd love to hear it.

Is it not career suicide?

Behe, as far as I remember, is still employed. So's that bloke in Leeds.
It's just that we all know the Designer is God. Christian fundies thought this theory up, Christian fundies promote it - what are we proper scientists to think?

819. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170534 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:16 pm

Do you seriously consider every ID believing scientist or even Creationist for that matter to be an "idiot"?

If I may...yes.
OK, ID can get away with stuff, but don't complain if your theories are refuted successfully. If the square peg didn't fit in the round hole the first time, it probably won't. Trying to cut the hole to make it square is cheating.
Cretinists (sic) are idiots. How can anyone believe mythology to that extent? The Earth is only 6000 years old? C'mon! A god sent flood? Puh-leeese! There's enough scientific evidence for flooding after the last ice age to explain the story.
And living in New Zealand, trust me, 40 days nad nights of rain do cause flooding, but not in the apocalyptic proportions cretins will lead us to believe.

820. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170528 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:10 pm

"And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

Bold text seems to imply plural. A pantheon of gods? Besides, this is just Adam and Eve. What about the people he made on the sixth day (read Genesis - Adam made after day 7 to till the fields and Eve made days after him). Why did all the others have to suffer? And if God, in his infinite wisdom, didn't think putting the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden wasn't going to cause a problem, what did he expect? After all, Adam and Eve were only human, etc, etc. Heck, putting the Tree of Life in the garden was really asking for trouble.
Not the brightest of gods, methinks!

821. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170522 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:04 pm

I feel our society is gradually deteriorating when it comes to our universal moral standards.

Look up Gildas, He was saying that in AD450 or thereabouts. Greeks, Romans, even Egyptians have been saying this for millenia.
Compare moral standards of today with those of our parents generation, then our grandparents. You'll see we're not that bad :-)

822. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170519 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 8:01 pm

I honestly do respect each and everyone of you

Hmmm, you've not spoken to my wife then... ;-)
Golly. Cheers!
From me, if I have crossed the line when conversing with Christians, sorry too. Frustration is my only excuse and an unforgivable lack of language.

823. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #170273 by Goldy on April 27, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Kardy, glad to see you here :-)
Insane, you? A moot point. Besides, at least you DO have God speakng to you. A lot of these theist....sorry, Christians (haven't heard a mad mullah or babbling Buddhist yet) seem to hear a voice that isn't there.
Who is the more insane? ;-)

824. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168255 by Goldy on April 24, 2008 at 7:59 pm

I'll still pray for her. You can't do a thing about it little man.

That can be construed as rape.

Edit. And why pray for others? They may have their own gods, gods who, like God himself, are jealous. Your prayers for some small child might cndemn that child to eternal damnation.
You also mentioned false religions (or words to that effect). Christianity is a false religion to many - indeed, calling Jesus the son of God is blasphemy to Muslims as God cannot have children, his children cannot be God as there is only one god and Jesus, if anything, was a prophet.

Quoting scripture is a bit pointless, you'll find. Of course they say stuff like "He that turneth away from God is condemned to eternal fire" and "God is sooo nice that he liketh only them that follow him and killeth those that mock him". Pure spin, old boy, pure spin. I believe the Jews use the self same lines you've given us to prove that Christians are the children of Satan and will be forever damned. Using NT scripture is pointless - might as well quote the archbishop of Canterbury for all the connection Paul or the Gospel writers had with Jesus.
Speaking as you do with a heady wiff of brimstone makes me have a mental image of you as one of those Mormon sects that were arrested recently (actually watching some program on it on TV right now). Or Westboro - having seen Louis Theroux's doco on them, you are veering very close to what I'd term religiously insane. Go back to that person you were just recently. I liked you there and felt you were someone I could actually talk to.
Iliad:7, 272-274: Ajax, royal son of Telamon, captain of armies, don't toy with me like a puny, weak-kneed boy or a woman never trained in works of war!

See, I can quote scripture too :-D

825. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168180 by Goldy on April 24, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Do you expose your child to the Bible or just atheism?

Be honest

Living in New Zealand, I can't help but expose my daughter to Christianity. Some of the fairy tales before going to bed are Biblical. She does Christmas and Easter and I guess she gets told about them and why. Hell, even the daycare we put her in tells us that she is "a gift from God".
However, she also has her Chinese ancestry and I am sure when she's older she'll be getting exposure to Buddhism. There's quite a large temple near where her Chinese grandparents live. When she's older, I'll also be reading fairy tales from the British Isles (not yet - no pictures. Given her attention span is still not up to looking at words....), I have the Iliad on my shelf and The Three Kingdoms also awaiting her enjoment :-)
Yep - she'll be exposed. I was - my father has always been an athiest, my mother not the best of Catholics, but they sent me to a CoE school. Chapel every Sunday (I can sing along to pretty much every hymn still), God's "message" drummed into me, Jesus is my saviour, etc, etc. Didn't work - my mind doesn't work that way. If I am made in God's image then he has a questioning mind and is a seeker of rational truth. Whatever, for this I shall be damned for all eternity anyway :-) As, I hope, my daughter will too.

826. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #168165 by Goldy on April 24, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Blimey, IDiot still trying?
Never mind. As it is, the species we see around us are also classified by men. Can lead to mistakes, such as whales and dolphins falling under Fish. Works your way, works our way, depending on the argument.
IDiot - how can you believe in micro evolution and yet still not get your head around the concept of evolution. Why do whales and hippos share more of their DNA information than, say, hippos and dogs? What does this suggest to you?

827. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168163 by Goldy on April 24, 2008 at 4:27 pm

I know how scientists like to disprove other's work but I also know about the censorship, peer pressure, and dangers to one's career for not towing the neo-Darwinian line.

You can pretend it isn't so, but it is.

I worked in the department of Pharmacology in Auckland University (I'm in Molecular Medicine ad Pathology now) and I have to say the PhD student in our lab was an ardent Catholic (Heaven forbid she miss Mass!) and the lab next to me had an ardent Christian lad I think you'd identify with. I think he was a creationist which confused me slightly. Anyway, they did their research, got their PhDs and you know - their religious views had no effect al all on their work, their research or their results. Their theses were reviewed by peers and marked by those of greater experience and knowledge.
Nowhere was religion a factor. It isn't. What you said above is utter nonsense - a person can fix a car with or without an ardent belief in God and the same is true in science.
If ID can be shown and independently verified, I'm sure it'll be taken seriously. Acupuncture is now. It's just that pretty much all of ID theory is easily shown to be false - even the irriducible complexity has been reduced to lesser complexes.
It just doesn't stand up to scrutiny, that's all. Crying foul and moving the goal posts doesn't make it any more correct or less wrong. If you are wrong, you are wrong - accept it adn try and work around that by fair means, not foul.
By the way, the last few posts of yours has warmed me to you. Without that Bible thumpery, you actually sound like someone I'd share a drink or two with. Why didn't you come in like that?

828. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168007 by Goldy on April 24, 2008 at 1:17 pm

Remmers, something for you
http://www.skeptics.com.au/articles/creationdebate4.htm

Hindu cosmology is irrational and scientific evidence does not correspond with its claims as it does with the Creation event in the Bible.

????????????????????????????????????
I am always surprised how surprised I get sometimes. Stupidity surely cannot be topped by this! :-)

829. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167375 by Goldy on April 24, 2008 at 1:14 am

AllanW, it is pathetic, isn't it. To claim victory by showing such brevity of thought and such inanity is the mark of a true believer.
I guess the rantings of a lunatic are attractive to some. Not me. I do engage with theists. I rather enjoyed Revcort a while back and Kardashovel does come across as saner than his voices suggest :-) Certainly saner than the gibbering droolings of those who wish to completely discredit IDiocy, Christianity, religion and the furtherment of American education.
Proof that there is no God, no gods no spirits or higher beings controlling us is shown to us in constant streams. That Jesus preaches truth, justice and other noble sentiments are shown to be false in such glaring light it hurts (oddly, all the quotations given to me and others that supposedly show Jesus' way is the right way are not even his views but those of Paul [and this is interesting http://unveilingchristianity.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/did-paul-really-meet-jesus/] who might, indeed most probably, never met or even saw Jesus).
How is this going to convince me? Why do they bother? They are driving me away and I dare say many of those "cultural Christians" who feel disgust and shock at the actions of those who wish to remain ignorant and ignore what is plainly seen before their eyes.
I am glad I am an athiest.
THERE IS NO GOD.

830. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167342 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 11:10 pm

IDiot, I really feel sorry for you.
Time to mark you as a troll.
Goodbye.

831. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167341 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 11:09 pm

No takers to my questions. This is some of my proof for ID. There is only one alternative to evolution. And that is ID. If you disagree, answer my questions. Were you not looking for some of my proof.

that it? That's all your proof. THAT going to convince me and all other scientists that ID is not a philosophy but an actual science.
That all you have?
How old is the Earth?

832. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167339 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 11:06 pm

Lack of understanding of basic biology? Please validate comment. Precisely, where is my lack of understanding?

Pretty much all of biology.
There is no God.

833. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #167274 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 8:02 pm

marv78rpm
We had an eruv story not too long ago. You can get around all these silly God-given laws by putting some twine or raising some posts around an area, call it an eruv and bingo - God doesn't know!

834. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167272 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 7:55 pm

Goldy,
You did it again!

When bullshit levels rise to such high levels, i have to get back to basics.... ;-)

835. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167264 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 7:38 pm

You know nothing about God. God is good and just. He created man is His image with free will. Man used that free will to disobey God. Man is fallen. All man is sinful. For example, you sinned quite a bit in your post. God is holy and just. He cannot allow sin in His presence for He is Holy. Man is separated from God. God is love. He does not want man to be separated from Him. He loves man so much he sends His only Son to live a sinless life, and die as a propitiation for man's sins. All those that accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior are counted righteous in front of God through Christ's sacrifice. Salvation is by God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Many has a free will to accept or reject this plan of salvation. Those that accept it have eternal life. Those that choose to reject it choose their own destiny, separation from God. God is just in that he will give us what we choose. End of story

God does not exist.

America is way down the list in science and math because science and math instruction has been replaced with atheist indoctrination based on bogus and speculative science.

Yes, I agree. But don't call cretinism or IDiocy a science. It isn't. It is a philosophy. And you are contributing to it.

836. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167261 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 7:34 pm

If all of you equate that the proof of micro-evolution is proof of all evolution then you are all more uneducated and misinformed then I gave you credit for. Wow!

Odd. How can one believe in evolution yet at teh same time deny it? I'm guessing it's the time thing. Micro over a couple of millenia doesn't, on the whole, alter the landscape too much. Over geological time, on the other hand...
Such an easy concept. Why are theists (more particularly this brand of American backwardness) so scared of it. Most of the other world's religious are very happy with it. Even the Pope (all of them, I think), heads of various Protestant, Islamic, Jewish, animist, Buddhist, etc, etc sects and religions are happy with it. It doesn't alter life - indeed, it creates it. Given man's propensity to displace and kill off other "higher" life forms (our God given right, as I believe), evolution allows for the world never to be sterile.
And they fear this?
I am, it has to be said, in awe of this stupidity.
IDiot, the NY Times article shows faith and the spread of AIDS in Africa. Guess it's neither here nor there to you. Africans, as you believe, are inferior to the white man and are generally good for menial tasks and for slavery.

837. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167254 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 7:24 pm

If you are so confident of your evolution THEORY, why allow me to rile you up so much

Probably because you're painfully stupid. Like trying to explain mathematics to a cat. We get a tad frustrated - not so much at your THEORY of cretinism, but at you completely denying everything.
All arguments flow better with a bit of compromise...

838. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167163 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 5:17 pm

Ask your resident guru scientist Mr. Zara about the horses tooth. One of many in the name of evolutionary science.

You brought it up. You present the evidence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/world/africa/21cameroon.html?scp=4&sq=witchcraft&st=nyt
That's faith :-)

839. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167160 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 5:12 pm

You live past 40

Wow, that's science

You're communicating with a bunch of people all over the world.

Wow, that's science

You can fly to conferences to discuss God

Wow, that's science

You don't get nasty disfiguring diseases

Wow, that's science

You don't worry about childhood diseases

Wow, that's science

You eat well, in fact, you've never experienced famine

Wow, that's science

Epidemics? Well, there was a flu going around..

Wow, that's science

You can drive

Wow, that's science

You are clothed

Wow, that's science

Water is safe to drink

Wow, that's science

Need I go on?

Wow, that's science

840. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167158 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Come on. You must be aware of the prehistoric beast discovered in which the whole skeletal body was created. Unfortunately it didn't stand up to scrutiny since the only thing dug up turned up to be a horses tooth. That's it. One horse tooth and you get a whole skeletal creature. Wow, that's science. Why don't you educate yourself.

Reference? What creature was this? And more importantly, who refuted it?

841. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167157 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 5:08 pm

Cretinism is just a theory too. Flawed and without a good back up of evidence (well, no real evidencial back up at all!).
Mind you, maybe his only version of evolution is that of Lamarck. In which case, yes, it is flawed. Luckily there are more than one evolutionary theories to ponder :-)
Can Mr IDiot give us non-religious ID source materiel? Something with graphs and numbers and years of research and peer reviewed - nothing too difficult.

842. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167146 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 5:00 pm

No wonder your THEORY is deep deep trouble.

And your THEORY is so safe, eh?
Google Steve Zara. Or go to PubMed or similar to find his papers. Unlike you, he's not hiding behind a pseudonym.
As for the best IDiots can come up with, I say cretinism is an apt contraction :-) We'd give you more but you are hiding behind a wall of stupid too think to penetrate.
Soooo,what papers have you written?

843. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167143 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 4:59 pm

And I never said that they did. Is it a reading comprehension problem, intellectual dishonesty, or a straw man that leads to your misrepresentation of what I wrote?

You have asked questions about life arising from nothing. The implication is there.

Do tell us about the non-existent scientific experiment where single-celled life was created from non-living materials without intelligent intervention

You really think we don't remember any of this?
Hey, heard about that 9000 year old tree in Sweden? How'd that happen? Imagine not existing for the first 3000 years of it's life :-)
What are your views of China and India?

844. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167139 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 4:53 pm

IDiot - do you go with this micro/macro-evolution thing?

845. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167137 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 4:52 pm

We need to think about how to spread the message further; how to collaborate to ensure that religion does not stifle education.

Steve, don't worry. The pendulum is swinging east. Soon the IDiots will be lone voices in the wind, living in their Attwood Utopia. They'll be as relevant as the ayatallahs adn mullahs in Iran - loud voices but no influence :-)

What fossil record. The fossil discovery that already has be debunked or the discovery that is yet to be debunked or exposed. Anyone find a horse tooth recently?

I got bitten by a pony recently, does that count? I take it you're American :-) "What fossil record" needs a question mark (?). Do you really believe ID? Doesn't that worry you?

846. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #167101 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 4:02 pm

Thus evolutionary arguments can usefully be used as hints to suggest possible lines of research, but it is highly dangerous to trust them too much

So imagine how much trust we can put into mythology....

847. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #167029 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Oh, dear. I tried, I really did. Up to where Remmers pisses off for the night (day?) and left a bunch of proofs, a lot of which involved Jesus. Honestly, Paul would be please such a simple man was so taken in.
A cretinist who has no concept of theory (it's so new to him he has to capitalise it). Does he not know if cretinism has to be taught, it too would be a theory? Or, in his case, a THEORY? And one with so much less evidence than evolution. Hell, it has less evidence than Lamarckian evolution :-)
Oh, hang on, I see he's still writing :-)

Do tell us about the non-existent scientific experiment where single-celled life was created from non-living materials without intelligent intervention

Ummm, wild stab in the dark here - CREATIONISM! :-D
Stand to reason - look at all the compromised designs. Hardly a result of intelligent design, eh? And we all know the designer was God - and he forgot rain!
Remmers, you are truly stupid. I wish it was just ignorance but really, how do you get through the day alive? How old are you, may I ask? American, I take it. I am in awe that such unintelligence can be allowed to walk freely - you must be a danger to yourself, never mind the public!

848. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166227 by Goldy on April 23, 2008 at 2:50 am

Philip

So let me get this straight, you believe that God took 6 days to create EVERYTHING from scratch, including a human male made from clay and a woman made out of that man's rib.

Not quite. God created men and women on the sixth day. Adam was created AFTER the seventh day and Eve some time after that. God had forgotten rain and had to make it happen after the seventh day too :-) Check it out, all in Genesis. He (God) also refers to other gods - he actually talks to them in a council meeting.
I like Kardy. I said it before and I'll say it again. He is a real mensch! And I'm sterblich (or, as I'd say in my German "I bi sterblich a!" Perils of learning Tirolerisch!)
I'll steer clear of physics. T'was that subject that kept me out of medicine. I think, looking back, it was for the better, but like Kardy's God, I'll never know how that particular universe turned out.
Remnant is deranged. Sorry, mate, you're touched upstairs. Kardy's voices are nothing to your complete lack of logical thought and indeed living. You must be American. Top tip - when in Europe, don't speak. You'll be labelled a nutter. Which, in fact, you are.

849. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166139 by Goldy on April 22, 2008 at 7:41 pm

The Peanut Gallery: Way to go Steve! You kicked his ass!

Lone voice to one side... "Eeeer, if God went back adn changed things, then the god that went back in time might no longer have existed, being replaced by another god, with all the complications that arise from that...
Not knowing anything about wormholes (I thought they were like a tube through space, but one hole being next to the other hole - a bit like a toilet roll that looks 2D when viewd outside but long when viewed inside), time travel or anything, I can't comment. It just seems to me that a change in the past has repercussions for the future and your god appears to be less that the one Remnant yaks on about.

850. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #166128 by Goldy on April 22, 2008 at 7:17 pm

Kardy.....Jesus? As a break from time travel...