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801. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149338 by Diacanu on March 25, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Well, I might be weighing in a bit late here, but here's my thoughts on the whole lying for Jesus thing.

I've observed lying for Jesus as breaking down into roughly three types.

1.) People that actually believe the Bible bullshit, actually believe they're lying for Jesus, and are thus doing a good thing.

2.) Cold blooded pragmatists who don't even believe the Bible bullshit, but have a contemptuous view of mankind, and think people need to be kept in line with religion, so they shovel the religion bullshit to prevent some sort of imaginary cannibal orgy, and therefore think lying for Jesus is a good thing.

3.) Full blown sociopaths who don't believe the Bible bullshit, couldn't care less about the rest of mankind except themselves, possibly their immediate family, and definately their fucking bank accounts, and know religion is a good racket, and will fight tooth and nail to defend it, as much so as the first type.

Scary thing is, you really can't tell the 3 apart.

You can get flickers of it in those little instants when one of them is bullshitting, knows he's bullshitting, and knows you know he's bullshitting.

But even then, for the practiced and habitual liar, I don't think even a mindmeld would tell you, because they lie inside their own fucking head so much.

Given that, I don't even bother trying to tell the difference anymore.

I write 'em all off as the third type now.

What's really the difference in the end?
Y'know?

You get the same destructive results, and a bullshitter is a bullshitter.

Fuck 'em.

Anyone is welcome to point out some subtle but important difference I'm missing, but until that happens, screw it, they're all type 3 to me.

Only thing separating a type 1 from types 2-3 is the doey eyed delusional pseudo-innocence.

But um,...fuck that.
A soldier who shoots at you cuz he's "just following orders", and is trying to haul in a check to feed his cute little family is just as deadly as the SS officer to me.

Screw their doey eyes, screw their tiny tears, tear down their lies, expose the fraud, and kick the type 2-3s that hide behind them in the nuts.

Type ones picked the wrong fucking team, simple as that, screw 'em.

Duplicity is duplicity, to fuck with how holy they think it is.

802. The Secular Conscience

Comment #147008 by Diacanu on March 19, 2008 at 4:53 pm

First of all, what FightingFalcon and Jiten said.

Second...

MaxD-


I am constantly baffled by the theist's rejection of secularism. Secularism protects everyone's ability to practice or not practice the religion of their choice.


Because christianity (at least the fundie brand) doesn't want to co-exist, it wants to dominate.

Look at the old testament.
No co-existance there, it's all about crushing all the non-believers.

803. Fleabytes

Comment #146046 by Diacanu on March 18, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Oh, I saw Clearthinker is STILL using the "angry at a God you supposedly don't believe in", argument.

I called him out in another thread on how he's had that one answered endless times, and it doesn't seem to sink into his thick skull.

But, I realized his answer would make me puke, and he'd just do it again anyway, so I deleted the post.

Perhaps I shouldn't've.

Maybe we should all hound him on it until we get a no-bullshit answer.

Hey, Clearthinker, no one's angry at God, dipshit.
He doesn't fucking exist.
It's members of his fanclub that sicken us.
Just like how Captain Kirk doesn't exist, but some types of Trekkies fucking annoy me.

Except, Captain Kirk is cool, and Yahweh is an asshole.

804. Fleabytes

Comment #145646 by Diacanu on March 17, 2008 at 9:39 pm

*Skims Clearthinker's latest with a bored eyeroll*

So, how long is this fevered little ego sloppily wrapped in human flesh going to milk this shit?

805. Fleabytes

Comment #144961 by Diacanu on March 17, 2008 at 5:22 am

Been gone a few days with computer trouble.
(Laptop fried, had to transfer a bunch of backed up stuff to the desktop)

Is Clearthinker finally done with his stupid rebuttal, and has any proof of God popped up in any of it yet?

806. I don't believe in atheists

Comment #143907 by Diacanu on March 14, 2008 at 3:34 pm


For example, they believe that the human species is marching forward, that there is an advancement toward some kind of collective moral progress -- that we are moving towards, if not a Utopian, certainly a better, more perfected human society.


Well, I'd like to hope so.
I don't think everything's gonna be rainbows, and kittens, and marshmallow trees, but we've come a long fucking away from dying from rotten teeth, lifespans of 25, and bashing each other's heads in with bones over scraps of meat.


That's fundamental to the Christian right, and it's also fundamental to the New Atheists.


Well, human progress is certainly more feasible than the sky kingdom of the invisible sky daddy.


You know, there is nothing in human nature or in human history that points to the idea that we are moving anywhere.


Nothing?!?!?

NOTHING in human nature??

Nothing!?!?

Wow, so everyone's a potential raping, thieving, murdering, prick, and there's no human solidarity at all.
Then how did we make it so far?

Oh, that's right, christians think humans are scum, and need the sky daddy to keep them in line.

And nothing in history?
Jonas Salk, Luise Pasteur, Norman Barlaug?

Yhep, this guy's a social/historical cynic of the Leo Strauss/ Henry Kissinger mold.

Shitheads who with their bile make the blackness of history a self fulfilling prophecy.

Sorry, can't get on board for that shit.

If all life is is keeping meat alive, and chasing money, then I got no reason to get up in the morning.

If my rebellion against that is a delusion on par with religion, and therefore I'm a "fundamentalist", well...fuck it.

It's that, or a gun in my mouth.

There, I've taken sides.

807. War in Heaven: Hitchens Meets D'Souza on Home Turf

Comment #143288 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Back again, eh, Dinesh?
Book sales lagging, need more quotes to mine?

808. Two More Fleas

Comment #143283 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Brian English-


if there's something that's thinking, then a thinking thing exists. Not a person. Not a You, an I or a him/her.


I'm not seeing much of a difference.
Are you saying language makes you or I a "you", or an "I"?

Monkeys don't seem to have trouble fathoming their individual egos.

809. Daniel Dennett Debates Dinesh D'Souza

Comment #143264 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 7:20 pm

You're right, there are so many other reasons to find him a despicable human being.

810. Two More Fleas

Comment #143236 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 5:39 pm

Brian English-


But if you jump from thinker to I, it seems to me, you've dropped the radical skepticism and let in some knowledge from the real world


Well, that's essentially saying you're not really thinking, you're something that thinks it's thinking.

But if you think you're thinking, you're thinking.

There's a barrier where illusion breaks down, and your consciousness is it.

Break consciousness down, and you wouldn't even be thinking.

You'd be inert stuff being perceived by someone else.

And if not perceived by someone else, then nothingness.

You can't have the nothingness thinking it's something, because the thought of something becomes the something.

If all that exists is your thoughts, your thoughts are all that exist, and then *poof* you exist again.

You can call that moment of the first peak of the first brainwave outside knowledge rather than self-generated thought, but to me, at that singularity point, you can't have one without the other, and it becomes another difference that makes no difference.

The outside influence of the first peak of the first brainwave may as well be the dreamer of you who is you anyway.

811. Two More Fleas

Comment #143228 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 5:16 pm

Brian English-


If you didn't know that you or anybody else existed, and all you had to go on was something that thinks. Can logically make the jump from something to I without supposing an I?


What, like, if I were blind, deaf, quadriplegic, and floating in water?

812. Two More Fleas

Comment #143226 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Deepthought-

Wooter is a douche-tard troll.

Won't listen to answers, regurgitates the same creationist tripe again and again as if no one said anything, can't discuss intelligently at all, just here to blow his diarrhea all over the board, and pat himself on the back for it.
Total assclown, and waste of everyone's time.

813. Two More Fleas

Comment #143218 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Clearmind = Wooter.

814. Fleabytes

Comment #143215 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 4:56 pm

J- Keep it in PM so David can't see. That's the point.

815. Two More Fleas

Comment #143213 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 4:53 pm

Brian English-


How about a thinking thing that doesn't have identity?


Like, a spark of mind in the void, and the whole world including the laws of science are being imagined by you?

Bupkiss.

Then you're still the name and personality you've ascribed to yourself.

And if your mind is complex enough to imagine other minds, and atoms, and galaxies, then those things exist anyway, just in your mind, but a difference that makes no difference is not a difference.

Just like if you had a transporter that scanned a person down to the quark level, and the data was stored at the quark level, well, the person would actually exist in the computer, wouldn't they?

Make a quark computer powerful enough to make the Earth, and all the people in the world, and bam, it's the world anyway, isn't it?

So, all that leaves, is if you're a brain plugged into a simulation by outside agencies.

But, if that were so, that means the world outside the simulation is the physical world you exist in, and you still exist.

816. Two More Fleas

Comment #143211 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Brian English-


By saying the something that thinking is I


What else would be doing the thinking?

Even if you're a character in someone's imagination, then you're really a facet of, and thus are, the imaginer, and the imaginer is really you.

Same rules apply if the imaginer is a computer, or anything else you can come up with.

817. Ban anti-Catholic books in schools, says bishop

Comment #143210 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 4:40 pm

BicycleRepairMan-

Lol, no, I didn't see that.
Saw the headline, and jumped right in.
Great minds I guess.

818. Ban anti-Catholic books in schools, says bishop

Comment #143207 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 4:29 pm

octopus-


I have even better idea. Why not simply burn libraries with such books and readers in them?


Oh, they can't be that overt anymore, like in the good old days.

But, they can hope and pray a lone nut from their congregation will.

819. Ban anti-Catholic books in schools, says bishop

Comment #143202 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 4:19 pm


A Roman Catholic bishop has likened books which criticise the teachings of the Church to works that deny the Holocaust took place.

The Rt Rev Patrick O'Donoghue, Bishop of Lancaster, told MPs that books critical of the Catholic faith should be banned from school libraries.


BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!!!!

BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!!!!

BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!!!!

BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!!!!

....is the only proper reply to such assertions.

820. Deadly Sins 101

Comment #143185 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Double Bass Atheist-

Like how all of a sudden "whoops, turns out there was never such a place as Limbo after all! Oh, by the way, we're still infallible".

821. Two More Fleas

Comment #143177 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 3:04 pm

D'Arcy-


Prove me wrong David/Wee Flea/clearthinker/ Robertson.


(As Robertson in a whining voice)
But you damned dirty atheists change the rules of what evidence is!
I say my feelings are evidence, but you won't accept it as evidence!
Close-minded doody head!!
It's YOUR fault I can't prove anything!!
Myeeah!! *Foot stomp*

822. Fleabytes

Comment #143172 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Ma- Want some God with your meatloaf and potatoes?

Me- No, ma.

823. Fleabytes

Comment #143161 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 2:45 pm

SRWB-

Heretic!!

*BZZZT!!*

824. Fleabytes

Comment #143156 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Quetzalcoatl/Vaal-

Let's consult the Queen Spider!

825. Fleabytes

Comment #143141 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm

Vaal-


When they find life outside the Earth, then it will be that God created life in the Universe, not just the Earth etc etc.


Depends on what sort of life.

If it's life that can't defend itself, like moss on a rock, or a Europan sea lion, sure, that's what they'll pull.

I'm hoping for a spacefaring intelligence that snarks out "yeah, we found your God out here...and kicked his fuggin' ass!!!".

826. Bishop accuses gays of 'conspiracy' against the Catholic Church

Comment #143138 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Mitchell-

Just lay on the floor, and say repeatedly "stop hitting me! You're the winner!! You're the big, big, big winner!!", while I put a Burger King crown on Al's head.
It's the only thing that stops him when he gets like this.

827. Fleabytes

Comment #143136 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Steve-

Conversely, you never hear religionists forsake something disproven by science like a geocentric universe, or a flat earth, as a lie, or a mistake, or a bad hypothesis.
It becomes "a metaphor", or "it doesn't really say that", or "man makes mistakes, God doesn't".

Always more bullshit to cover the pre-existng bullshit.

828. Deadly Sins 101

Comment #143129 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Like I said in the other thread, catholicism is circling the bowl.

Every new loony stupid thing they do is like another gurgle of the flush.
I'm loving it.

829. Bishop accuses gays of 'conspiracy' against the Catholic Church

Comment #143127 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 1:49 pm


...when a century ago Oscar Wilde was locked up and put in jail.


Wow, I can't believe he so blatantly put his cards on the table as to what they wish they could still do.

They're usually more slippery about it.

These nutjobs who blurt stuff out are actually handy. We should be thankful.
Cuts through the wall of weaselism the more subtler fucks try to throw up.

830. Bishop accuses gays of 'conspiracy' against the Catholic Church

Comment #143124 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 1:45 pm

Fellas, stop slap fighting over minutiae, let's get back to hating on bigot bishops.

831. Bishop accuses gays of 'conspiracy' against the Catholic Church

Comment #143117 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 1:31 pm

The catholic church is circling the bowl.
Everyone is fed the fuck up.
Anyone see "The Root Of All Evil", with Lewis Black last night?
You get crowds of people cheering anti-catholic sentiment these days.
And then you get assholes like this who keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Beautiful.

Oh, and there's a new directive against social injustice?

How about they sell off some of their fuckin' Vatican gold to feed the poor?

Yeah, here's hoping we're looking at the last pope.

Flush, catholicism, flush.
Don't make us have to plunge.

832. Fleabytes

Comment #143111 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 1:13 pm

Fedler-

The Age Of Reason kicks ass, and yes, it destroys the Bible, and no, no one has really successfully countered it.
The only way it was countered in his day was to just call him a heretic, and ruin his reputation, which is probably what religionists wish they could do to Dawkins.

Probably why they pull their hair out over "the rising tide of secularism", and say "we're in a culture war", they can't stand they can't destroy people they disagree with anymore.

833. Two More Fleas

Comment #142807 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 5:44 am

Religion poisons everything.

834. Fleabytes

Comment #142806 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 5:43 am

Geoff-

Good point.

835. Fleabytes

Comment #142798 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 5:34 am

LorienRyan-

Meh, I'm over it now.
In the end, it all traced back to personal mental baggage that had to do with totally different shit then the subject of the ick-reaction.

I didn't hurt anyone or nothin' I just thought and said a lot of stupid shit in my teens.

836. Fleabytes

Comment #142791 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 5:25 am

LorienRyan's "Diacanu, I'm not surprised", looked really bad after my past homophobia confession, so I deleted it.

Should I put it back?

..eh, I guess I just said the gist.

837. Fleabytes

Comment #142773 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 5:07 am

Also, I read Zeitgeist is a patchwork plagiarism.

The religion stuff comes from "the God that wasn't there", the 9/11 stuff comes from "loose change", and the banking stuff comes from...some other one.

838. Fleabytes

Comment #142763 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 4:54 am

LorienRyan-


I watched the Zeitgeist movie on gooole video, the first part on religion was fantastic!


I hated Zeitgeist.

The first part on religion was dead on, then it rambles on about crackpot 9/11 conspiracies, and world banking conspiracies that sound like something out of a KKK pamphlet with "Jews!! Jews!! Jeeewws!!", studiously deleted.

Yeah, the world is full of bullshit and cons, but don't mean I'm up for swallowing tinfoil hat fearmongering for the snake-oil pseudo-cure.

839. Fleabytes

Comment #142730 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 3:56 am

Deleted my last post, cuz Incredulous's deserved to be 4900.

840. Fleabytes

Comment #142726 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 3:50 am

Oh, well, at least I can try for 4900...

841. Fleabytes

Comment #142722 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 3:46 am

Shit, I just know I'm gonna miss post 5000, but dammit, I gotta sleep.

842. Fleabytes

Comment #142704 by Diacanu on March 13, 2008 at 3:23 am

epeeist-


After all, do they really need a global flood, David slaying Goliath and the rest. Let them strip away the superfluity and come up with a core set of beliefs.


Strip the bullshit out of christianity, and you may as well have deism or Buddhism.

And then how can jive-meisters like David Robertson avoid having real jobs off the back of a faith like that?

843. Two More Fleas

Comment #142596 by Diacanu on March 12, 2008 at 8:11 pm

Wooter alert! Wooter alert! Ban the fucker! Ban the fucker!!

844. Two More Fleas

Comment #142566 by Diacanu on March 12, 2008 at 6:33 pm

Here's another one.
This one was on c-span too.

"Chance or purpose?".

http://www.amazon.com/Chance-Purpose-Creation-Evolution-Rational/dp/1586172123

Well, right out of the gate from the TITLE, you can tell they don't understand evolution.
Or, don't want to.
Given the twits I saw on c-span, more bullshittery from the con artists.

And it counts as a flea book, because even though they don't acknowledge any horseman in the title, they clearly stated their sole reason for writing it was "the new atheism", and "the rising tide of secularism in America".

845. Two More Fleas

Comment #142514 by Diacanu on March 12, 2008 at 3:36 pm

Steve/Richard-

Heh, well, there'd be no shortage of material for a book like that.

I was just thinking to myself last night, that the majority of the people on this planet are in the grips of the religion delusion, or some kind of similar superstition.

Then, you have all the political ideologies and opinions that are unworkable wackaloonism.

And then, you have all the plain awful bad ideas that are unclassifiable that pour out of the average person's head day in day out that lead them to idiotic Dr. Phil/Jerry Springer guest behavior.

Lump it all together, and 98% of this planet is absolutely fucking bonkers!

Bonkers!

The planet is a fuckin' loony bin!

And yet, in the midst of this chaos, you have these self appointed leaders of government, business, and religion, who dress up in their stupid little costumes (and they are costumes, every last one, I've even always thought the business suit looked retarded), and put on their masks of sanity, and tell you they have all the answers, and people feel relieved that all these authorities have it all figured out, meanwhile, the Washington crooks are stealing everyone's money, the business crooks are bribing the Washington crooks, and the religious crooks are getting skim from everybody, and on top of all THAT, the Washington crooks are starting WARS for...MONEY!!

And you're told, that if you reject all this,...you're a nihilist and quite possibly a sociopath...

.....shit, there's my opening fucking chapter.

846. Fleabytes

Comment #142502 by Diacanu on March 12, 2008 at 3:10 pm

SharonMcT-

*Hug*

:)

847. Two More Fleas

Comment #142499 by Diacanu on March 12, 2008 at 3:06 pm

Mitchell Gilks-


That fact that they only ever hum and haw when you ask them, tells me that they don't know either.


Well, that's where the "lalalalaa!!", effect comes in.

To really, really, know, they'd have to be thinking about it hard.
But thinking about it hard might jostle something loose.
And then they might go to Hell.
Or, by not believing in it, the afterlife might poof away.
As if believing put it there to begin with.

That's what it was like for me as a little kid.
Even when I deeply felt the Bible might be bullshit, I still hung on into my teens the whole Heaven/Hell spiel.

It's a deliberate walling off of certain thought paths.
Like repressing an unpleasant memory.

Luckily, I always had a "but why...", kind of mind, and that facade finally crumbled.

But really, if you chase it around, it all traces back to that "lalalalaa!! Mommy and daddy scared me, shutup, shutup, lalalalaa!!".

848. Fleabytes

Comment #142494 by Diacanu on March 12, 2008 at 2:55 pm

*Sigh* so much for this being an island retreat from the bullshit slapfights of other boards.
:(

849. Two More Fleas

Comment #142492 by Diacanu on March 12, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Mitchell Gilks-


I'm sick of people acting like atheists are science worshippers or something.


I really don't think the religious mind can fathom not worshiping something.

You tell 'em you believe in evolution, they think evolution is our God.

You tell 'em evolution isn't a God substitute, it's merely a series of natural processes, they say science is our God.

You tell 'em "no!! No fucking Gods!! That's the point!", they're like "duhr...so...you pray to a big nothing?...Hey, this guy's crazy! He prays to a big nothing!! *Writes a flea book*".

I dunno what it is.
I guess they've assumed God so thoroughly, like the existence of their arms and legs, that you taking God away is like cutting off an arm, and refusing a prosthesis.
They just can't wrap their little minds around it.

Well...come to think of it, they CAN, but then their faith would be shaken, so they don't WANT to.
So, it's really PLAYING stupid as a way of going "*ears plugged* lalalalalaa!!!".

850. Two More Fleas

Comment #142475 by Diacanu on March 12, 2008 at 2:37 pm

I think these fuckin' idiots really are going for the bombardment tactic.

They'll churn out all this toilet paper, and then point to TGD, then their STACK of books, and go, "look how much religion has to say! We've murderlized him!".

And the fuckin idiot masses who don't read will nod, and go "duh-huhhrr! Well, that wraps it up for Dawkins then! Let's go back to watchin' Gladiators! Pass the Funyuns, maw!! A-hyuck!".

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