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851. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #150511 by irate_atheist on March 27, 2008 at 3:25 am

155. Comment #150450 by somersetsimon -

I guess this is similar to JW's refusing certain life-saving treatments. What is the legal position in that case when the parents refuse treatment for a child?
In Great Britain and Ireland they can be made a ward of court to enable the treatment to be given.
Ref: www.aagbi.org/publications/guidelines/docs/jehovah.pdf

The recommendations section states as item 12:

In a life-threatening emergency in a child unable to give competent consent, all life-saving treatment should be given, irrespective of the parents' wishes.


The underlining is mine.

852. Saudi Arabia Leader Calls for Interfaith Dialogue

Comment #149901 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 10:23 am

Without oil, the king would be another ignorant camel herder wandering in the wilderness.

853. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #149800 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 8:36 am

33. Comment #149798 by Quetzalcoatl -

I'll give you odds of 7/4 that they would just pray. Easiest money I'll ever make...

854. Expelled Overview

Comment #149799 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 8:33 am

60. Comment #149532 by RightWingAtheist -

I think this is a better example how how the popular form of child abuse known as "Sunday school" can turn otherwise smart and decent people into lying idiots.
Or, in my case, a lifelong self-professed militant atheist. Some of their tactics backfire spectacularly. I hardly think they would regard me as their greatest success...

855. Fleabytes

Comment #149795 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 8:27 am

6955. Comment #149791 by Steve Zara -

Ah, yes, the atheist handbook. I have listed its contents page below for anyone who is interested:

856. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #149790 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 8:24 am

26. Comment #149782 by Richard Morgan -

Good grief. Once again I find myself strangely compelled to agree with you.

857. Fleabytes

Comment #149786 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 8:22 am

6951. Comment #149780 by al-rawandi -

Ignorance is easy to cure, willful ignorance, a life sentence.
Or, in many cases a death sentence - for someone else. e.g http://www.richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2402,Police-Girl-Dies-After-Parents-Pray-for-Healing-Instead-of-Seeking-Medical-Help,Fox-News,page1

858. Fleabytes

Comment #149770 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 8:12 am

6946. Comment #149764 by mlearnedfriend -

Irate Atheist

not me that determines what is a 'metaphor' - rules of interpretation and context says that.

If the passage is talking about demonic activity and the examples either side are as such then it would not be sensible to suddenly ascribe these as real animals.
Well, fuck my old boots. You should start a new church based on the real truth revealed in the bible. The other 38000 denominations have clearly got it wrong.

859. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149757 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 7:58 am

341. Comment #149713 by bibanu -

I could NOT find anything about Mathis that suggests that he is a practicing Christian
No True Scotsman.

860. Fleabytes

Comment #149756 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 7:53 am

6931. Comment #149724 by mlearnedfriend -

And Luke 10? Context is king - these are spiritual images of demonic activity, not real snakes and scorpions.. ouch, who bit me!
This get bloody tedious after a while. It's like wrestling a greased eel.

What makes you decide what is metaphor and what isn't?

What makes you right and them wrong?

861. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #149738 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 7:38 am

The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.

"They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."
Who is this man? Mental Mickey?

I won't write down what I'd like to see done to these people, I may get banned from this thread as I understand that death threats are not necessarily tolerated.

862. Fleabytes

Comment #149704 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 6:40 am

6921. Comment #149695 by mlearnedfriend -

OK, me old mucker, which is the correct god.

Theist, it's over to you.

863. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149670 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 4:55 am

326. Comment #149658 by clearmind -

You little shit, wooter. Just when I'd vowed not to use the word 'fucktard' for a whole day, you come along and spoil things for me.

864. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149668 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 4:52 am

48. Comment #149647 by Steve Zara -

We are entering the dangerous world of semantics...perhaps.

I could have more accurately put it thus:

Atheism may lead to a realisation of the danger of religious dogma which includes ignorance, bigotry and intolerance.

Oh buggritt.

As my late grandad would have put it:

"Ye ken well what I mean, laddie!"

865. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149646 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 3:40 am

41. Comment #149640 by fides_et_ratio -

Atheism is not believing in gods.

It is not a set of doctrines.

It does not 'lead' to anything.

But it can lead away from ignorance, bigotry and intolerance, to name but a few of religion's pernicious traits.

866. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149637 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 3:14 am

33. Comment #149630 by fides_et_ratio -

Total bollocks from end to end.

867. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149633 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 3:03 am

30. Comment #149613 by Quetzalcoatl -

it's less of a genesis and more of a resurrection of an opinion
We have no good reason to believe that it was intelligently designed.

868. Fleabytes

Comment #149629 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 2:51 am

Happy Birthday Steve!!!

Have you got your telegram from the Queen yet?

869. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149253 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 10:26 am

11. Comment #149251 by jbath -

Here, here...

870. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149248 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 10:16 am

290. Comment #149245 by BillySands -

Do you think he loses weight when he speaks?
I'm not sure. But he does have to stand up to be audible.

871. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149241 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 9:58 am

206. Comment #149060 by clearthinker -

Not least because it is completely untrue. I would never feel justified in lying for my faith.
But you're perfectly happy to issue a bad cheque to an unsuspecting bus driver. Or misquote people. Or misrepresent their views. Or lie about being currently banned from this website. Or lie about articles not being on the frontpage of this website.

David, we've heard it all before. Some of us have even been good enough to respond politely to you. But the simple truth is, if you were given an enema, you could be buried in a matchbox.

872. Sue Blackmore debates Alister McGrath

Comment #149231 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 9:40 am

66. Comment #149227 by Riley -

on what basis do you assert that an honest Christian must interpret everything the same?
If it can be interpreted differently, it is clearly not 'truth'. It is also clearly not 'divinely inspired' if it is so damn imprecise. And inaccurate. And contradictory. And false.

873. Wicked untruths from the Church

Comment #149193 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 8:49 am

2. Comment #149183 by bugaboo -

Perhaps he is just starting to awake. When he stops yawning and really sees how poisonous religion and religious thought is, well, duck you theists, duck. Aaronovitch is not a man known for pulling his punches in any debate he is involved in.

874. Fleabytes

Comment #149057 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 4:03 am

6880. Comment #149054 by Steve Zara -

I notice your standards of proofreading are starting to slip:

You have wit. You build up the suspense; we wait, with anticipation... for the word.
Should read:
You halfwit. You build up the suspense; we wait, with anticipation... for the word.
Surely?

875. Fleabytes

Comment #149051 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 3:54 am

6875. Comment #149048 by Steve Zara -

Courtesy says more about the speaker than about who is being spoken to.
You mean, er, I can't, you know?

Srsly?

876. Two More Fleas

Comment #149046 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 3:24 am

543. Comment #149045 by Quetzalcoatl -

Bovril, anyone?

877. John Templeton: God's sugar daddy

Comment #149044 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 3:17 am

Isn't it funny how the ultimate omnipotent deity needs so much help?

878. Two More Fleas

Comment #149038 by irate_atheist on March 25, 2008 at 2:56 am

538. Comment #148910 by Quetzalcoatl -

And what's worse, we're nearly out of teabags at home.

879. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #148827 by irate_atheist on March 24, 2008 at 2:46 am

Some people make my fists itch. One of them is Mark Mathis. Sir, you have been warned, you may enounter my itchy fists. (My wife thinks they are itching because of the different washing powder and/or handwash we're using at the moment. I prefer to blame Mathis for my suffering.)

880. Two More Fleas

Comment #148825 by irate_atheist on March 24, 2008 at 2:42 am

528. Comment #148753 by clearmind -

Oh, I'm so sorry. I haven't called you an ignorant cunt for a while. Please accept my sincerest apologies.

881. Does God answer prayer? ASU research says 'yes'

Comment #148437 by irate_atheist on March 23, 2008 at 4:38 am

95. Comment #148434 by Steve Zara -

My dearest Steve -

I'm sure you're aware I always insult someone directly if needs be and they are rarely unsure about whether or not they are the subject of a diatribe(!)

Rest assured, your posts are always worth reading. But I shan't be actively seeking out the further writings of Prof. David Hodge anytime soon....

882. Does God answer prayer? ASU research says 'yes'

Comment #148428 by irate_atheist on March 23, 2008 at 4:22 am

Oh look. Another crock of shit. Nothing to see here, move along please.

883. Two More Fleas

Comment #148427 by irate_atheist on March 23, 2008 at 4:21 am

502. Comment #147597 by clearmind -

Happy Easter, Fucktard!

884. Orr on Dawkins

Comment #148424 by irate_atheist on March 23, 2008 at 4:12 am

"Only two things are infinite. The universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

One more idiot to add weight to the proof of Einstein's Theory of Human Imbecility.

885. It looks like Man crucified

Comment #148423 by irate_atheist on March 23, 2008 at 4:08 am

Halfwit.

886. Fleabytes

Comment #148093 by irate_atheist on March 22, 2008 at 3:25 am

6655. Comment #147970 by Steve Zara -

It's true. I was that frog.

Edit: Oh good. My favourite posting number!

887. 'Irrational Atheist' trounces God-deniers

Comment #147414 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 10:34 am

1986. Comment #142649 by Aquaria -

And since the person making the claim has made an extraordinary assertion, it is up to that person to provide the necessary evidence (and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence--as in overwhelming and indisputable) to prove the truth of that claim. Otherwise, that person is a fraud.
There are other alternatives. I will give an example below:

One person I know, not only claimed that Jesus talked back, that he even told her where to sit on a bus so that she could have a conversation with them. She had also written down conversations - verbatim - she had had with god. Her questions or statements, his responses.

Given that none of this persons other behaviour indicated a dangerous psychotic personaility disorder or schizophrenia, and given that she had be brought up in an absurdly religious background (and due to illness been been bedridden for some considerable time during that period with no one effectively looking after her but these 'conversations'), I could only conclude she was:

1) Deluded

and

2) Disgracefully mislead by family - I know her mother, at least, actively encouraged the above.

and

3) In need of help - professional or otherwise.

So - the individual may believe what they say (so are not technically lying - they know no different inside their own minds) and be deluded due to a number of factors. Religion - of course - being the key element.

Anyway - must dash. Have to go home, hug our baby, cook dinner and then go shopping. Hopefully the wife has got a list ready for me, the odds are she hasn't - as usual. Ah, well, at least Jesus doesn't tell her where to sit on the bus anymore.

888. Fleabytes

Comment #147412 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 10:14 am

6433. Comment #147392 by SRWB -

What? With life-sized bollocks printed on both sides?

889. Fleabytes

Comment #147374 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 8:38 am

6421. Comment #147373 by Philip1978 -

it is a load of incomplete bollocks.
Please, no. Don't tell me there's more bible to come!!!

890. Fleabytes

Comment #147370 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 8:27 am

Philip -

But I have complete bollocks. To wit, irate_junior.

Edit: Who also has complete bollocks, by the way.

891. Fleabytes

Comment #147364 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 8:17 am

6415. Comment #147363 by BillySands -

Are you suggesting it's complete bollocks from end to end? Surely not?

892. Fleabytes

Comment #147355 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 7:57 am

6409. Comment #147354 by Dr Benway -

So, y'know, can I?

893. Fleabytes

Comment #147352 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 7:52 am

6406. Comment #147348 by clodhopper -

So why don't we just stop? He doesn't deserve it and if he doesn't get the attention he craves I predict he will move on. If we keep feeding him, well....

There, a testable hypothesis. Anyone game?
You mean I can't even, well, you know what?

894. The Secular Conscience

Comment #147350 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 7:49 am

38. Comment #147338 by PlagioClase -

What's the Greek for Ultra Large Hadron Collider?

Or perhaps their knowledge wasn't as advanced as all that.

895. Fleabytes

Comment #147344 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 7:39 am

6396. Comment #147332 by mlearnedfriend -

Before you jump all over me and say 'typical God is the bits we don't know' I don't mean that. I just mean that investigating things that don't seem to be explained by rational empiricism doesn't make you a bad scientist, just a curious one.
The supernatural (whatever that really means - please define what you mean by it) is merely a part of the natural we have not explained. What do you propose we do when we encounter a new phenomenon - run around the room going whoo whoo this is weird, goddidit? You quite clearly have no experience of experimental science or what it involves.

896. I don't believe in atheists

Comment #147322 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 6:44 am

361. Comment #147318 by al-rawandi -

Oh, I was absolutely sure you'd agree.

The Rumsfeld of his times, perhaps. But smarter.

Kissinger and Ford gave their blessing to the East Timor action by Indonesia. They make me want to vomit.
Henry Ford? Good grief. I knew his cars were a crock of shite, but man, that's bad.

Oh. Gerald Ford. Sorry.

897. I don't believe in atheists

Comment #147315 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 6:25 am

357. Comment #146796 by al-rawandi -

Henry Kissinger?


To late, too late...

When Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973, the distinguished musical satirist Tom Lehrer decided that he could no longer perform. "It was at that moment that satire died," says Lehrer, "There was nothing more to say after that."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/feature_kissinger_profile.shtml

898. Fleabytes

Comment #147305 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 6:13 am

6383. Comment #147296 by BillySands -

You are, as ever, a huge mine of useful information. I raise my glass to you, wherever you are.

899. Fleabytes

Comment #147266 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 5:07 am

6362. Comment #147265 by epeeist -

Oh. I see. All is explained.

900. Religion 'linked to happy life'

Comment #147258 by irate_atheist on March 20, 2008 at 4:51 am

116. Comment #146748 by al-rawandi -

I hope you called him a fucktard.

If not, you must write down a thousand times:

'I must always call a fucktard a fucktard'.

Please note: Copy and paste is not acceptable.

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