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Comment #16584 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 1:39 pm

As i said once before, theists are like Children not willing to let go of their belief in santa even after catching their parents putting the presents under the tree.
their minds seem to be void of logic

have youeven realised mark that just because you belive the prophecis to be true you then accept the rest of the entire book? no matter how ridiculous some of the stuff is! and some prophecies are wrong anyway!! how can an all knowing being be wrong?

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Comment #16583 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 1:35 pm

Mark:

by disecting the prophcies you missed the point
my point was all religions have prophecies that seem to be true yet once disected you realise they can apply to any nubmer of things or be wrong all together, christianities included as Billy has stated many times (read Cholmondeleys respone to your prophecies)

It is also very comical that when you see a prediction that could be taken accuratley you say "wah wah they stole it from us! we had it first! copycats!" haha proove to me that the writers of the Koran "copied the bibles answers" if you will


"I note you put a question mark – rightly so. This speculative interpretation of tiny details, extracted without regard to context" - yup! just like the bible!

Mark if you took the time and opened your mind enough to disect your bible prophecies as much as you have the koran (which you cant due to your brainwashed mind) you would see the similatites in how the prophecies are written in both texts!

you also ignored a few more Koran prophecies and all the other religious prophecies

I didnt want to say the prophecies in the Koran were correct, just that they could be interpreted to be correct by brainwashed muslims, the same as the bible with brainwashed christians

by showing the foolishness of the koran prophecies and yet not do the same to bible prophecies has......once again prooved my point and not your own........bravo

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Comment #16570 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 11:50 am

Mark:

Sorry, 1 more post,i keep forgetting to put things in, i do apologise i post alot but lets face it theres alot of info out there that disprooves the bible
anyway heres what i forgotto include, you were quick to tell me that the drought prediction was easy because its happening but then failed to comment on this prediction

Perhaps my drought prediction was a bad example, but how about this
"I predict a great city will flood withing 100 years"

thats not happening right now, but its obvious it will because of global warming
however had this prediction been made 5 years ago, it would still be predicting global warming, but you could argue i predicted the New Orleans disaster or the Boxing day tsunami!

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Comment #16568 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 11:37 am

Brian:

"Hey, I admire your relentlessness:-)"

hehe thanks,iv found i have to be relentness (and repeat myself alot) because its the only way theists eventually (attempt) to answer the difficult questions,too often they ignore what they cant answer or what seems to suggest their religion is wrong and act like you didnt even say anything

i just got fed up of of it, if they cant answer simple questions then they must realise how fragile their beliefs are, if you scroll up you will notice ther are still alot of simple short straightforward questions they have yet to comment on.....me thinks il have to repeat myself a few more times ;-)

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Comment #16561 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 10:39 am

Also, i will provide a list of bible prophecies that HAVE NOT come true

Isaiah 19:5-7
And the waters of the Nile will be dried up, and the river will be parched and dry; and its canal will become foul, and the branches of Egypt's Nile will diminish and dry up, reeds and rushes will rot away. There will be bare places by the Nile, on the brink of the Nile, and all that is sown by the Nile will dry up, be driven away, and be no more.

Isaiah also spoke of a prophecy God made to Ahaz, the King of Judah that he would not be harmed by his enemies:

Isaiah 7:1-7
In the days of Ahaz,...king of Judah, Rezin the king of Syria and Pekah the son of Remaliah the king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to wage war against it, but they could not conquer it...And the Lord said to Isaiah "Go forth to meet Ahaz...and say to him, 'Take heed, be quiet, do not fear, and do not let your heart be faint...at the fierce anger of Rezin...and the son of Remaliah. Because Syria...and the son of Remaliah has devised evil against you saying "Let us go up against Judah and terrify it and let us conquer it for ourselves..." thus says the Lord God: "It shall not stand and it shall not come to pass..."


Yet according to II Chronicles, Syria and Pekah did conquer Judah!

II Chronicles 28:1, 5-6
Ahaz was 20 years old when he began his reign...[T]he Lord God gave him into the hand of the king of Syria, who defeated him and took captive a great number of his people...He was also given into the hand of the king of Israel who defeated him with great slaughter. For Pekah the son of Remaliah slew a hundred and twenty thousand in Judah in one day...

You may argue "cant get them all right" but if your all seeing all knowing God can see the future then surley ALL his predictions would be correct, the fact that there are some incorrect propheces in the bible, PROOVE that it was written by man and not god.
or maybe this is another "test of faith" ;-) the theist test of faith argument always makes me chuckle hehe

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Comment #16560 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 10:28 am

More islamic prophecies

"Their skins will bear witness against them as to what they have been doing" (41:21)

The finger prints system at borders, criminal investigation cells and immigration centres prove the fulfillment of this Quranic prophecy.

"And when the mountains are made to move." (81:4)

Centuries before the invention of dynamite, the holy Quran prophesied the blowing up and moving of the mountains.

"And when the rivers are made to flow into each other." (81:7)

"He has made the two bodies of water flow. They will one day meet. Between them there is a barrier; they cannot encroach one upon the other." (55:20,21)

"And He it is Who shall merge the two seas together. This palatable and sweet, that saltish and bitter. And between them He has (presently) placed a barrier and a massive partition." (25:54)

These prophecies could easily refer to the suez and panama canels

So are you now going to convert to islam? afterall you only belive the bible becase of its fulfilled prophecies? so surly you must also belive the Koran now?
Or perhaps you see the folly of beliving ancient prophecies?

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Comment #16558 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 10:20 am

Briancoughlanworldcitizen:

"610. Comment #16553 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on January 7, 2007 at 10:05 am

Gee ... are you guys still at this. The biblical prophecies you claim are accepted only by a small select group of fringe christian cults. They are less than worthless."

This is exactly what myself and billy are attempting to prove to Mark, sadley he seems incapable of realsing that not only are they far from evidence of gods existance but christianty in not unique in fulfilled prophecies

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Comment #16556 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 10:17 am

This link http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_prophecies.shtml provides all the fullfilld prophecies of the mormon prophet Joseph Smith

I am suprised you belived the bible to be the only religous artifact to have accurate prophecies, all relgions have them i thought most people knew this (hence why i didnt bother to provide evidence 1st time round)

However, now you know, so what makes christianity different (and therefore correct) to any other religion?
And your comments on Jules Verne? and Nostradaumus?

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Comment #16554 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 10:13 am

Mark:

You seem pretty sure of yourself that only the bible hasfulfilled prohphecies, so i will gladley provide you evidence, maybe you will then answer me what is the difference between your god and theirs? Why is your real and theirs not?

Greek prophecies:

The best known example from Greek legend is that of Oedipus. Warned that his child would one day kill him, Laius abandoned his newborn son Oedipus to die, but Oedipus was found and raised by others, and thus in ignorance of his true origins. When he grew up, Oedipus was warned that he would kill his father and marry his mother. Believing his foster parents were his real parents, he left his home and travelled Greece, eventually reaching the city where his biological parents lived. There, he got into a fight with a stranger, his father, and killed him, and married his widow, Oedipus's mother.

Hindu Propecies: This link http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/hindusa.htm lists literally dozens of ancient hindu prophecies fullfilled in recent times

Islamic Prophecies:

"Corruption has spread on land and sea because of what men's hands have wrought" (30:42) (pollution)

And after him We said to the Children of Israel, 'Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people." (17:105)
(establishment of israel)

"They will alter Allah's creation." (4:120)(gentic enginering)

"And when the wild beasts are gathered together." (81:6) (zoos....in the days this was written noone could imagine capturing, taming and keeping wild animals, yet it was predicted in the Koran)

"And by the heaven full of tracks" (51:8) (airplanes?)

"It never happens that permissiveness overwhelms a people to the extent that they display their acts of sex shamelessly and they are not uniquely punished by God. Among them, invariably, pestilence is made to spread and such other diseases, the like of which have never been witnessed by their forefathers." (Ibn-e-Majah, Kitab-ul-Fitan)* (Aids)

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Comment #16542 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 8:47 am

You have also ignored my previous comment on jules verne.
how he more accuratly, less criptivly and more recently than the bible predicted the future.

Why do you not worship him and have his complete works as your bible?

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Comment #16541 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 8:45 am

"If you're right, then Israel, about to enter and take possession of the promised land, would quite sensibly expect later to be invaded, besieged, taken captive and dispersed among all peoples, because of their disobedience to Yahweh. Please, can you explain how that's in any way "obvious"?"

given the religious tentions at the time and the way in which israel was (andstill is) constantly under threat then yes it was pretty obvious

i noticeyou have once again conviniantly ignored by comments on all the other religions fullfilled propheices and how you can completly dismiss them as myth but still belive in your god
all religions have prophecies that have been fullfilled, even Zeus and Thor, so why then do you not belive in them?
what is the difference between everyother god, past and present, and your own?

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Comment #16533 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 6:26 am

Theo and Mark

I have responded to your comments, just click on 12 t osee my replies, sorry it took me so long, brothers 18th! he he

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Comment #16532 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 6:18 am

heo and mark

you have stilled failed to commen onthe following points

Why arent we allowed to shave? do you have a beard? if not tut tut god wont be pleased and you'll end up in hell!!

"And did you know that another "crime" in the bible is SHAVING YOUR BEARD!!!yup God loves beards and your banned from geting rid of it!!

Lev 19:27

Hope you have a long fluffy one!!"

Do you really accept te bible as a moral guideline??

"Also Theo you have defended death in the bible.......which says alot about your morals i may add.......but you have ignored to comment on all the other evil goings on that are justified in the bible

Slavery, Gay hating, child beating and woman being 2nd class citizens....all fine in the bible

please explain how you can honestly accept this as a moral person"

How what you belive depends on how you were raised so you are simply braiwased into it

"Isnt it a nice co-incidence that you were convineantly Born into the correct religion aswell!! I feel sorry for all those people born in places like Iraq and India, who will burn in hell jsut for being born in the wrong country!! man what a fair and loving God you worship!"

If th great flood kiled the dinosaurs (haha) THEN WHAT KILLED THE FLYING AND SWIMMING DINOSAURS?!?! this one is always brushed over by theists.

"Also some people are so sure that the great flood killed the dinosaurs (despite noah being told toget 2 of EVERY animal) but if so

then what killed all the flying and swimming dinosaurs???"

How did all the animals get home??

"That 2 of EVERY ANIMAL!! (now trust me thats ALOT!! there are several species of Wallaby alone!) all fit on 1 boat then somehow managed to redistribute themselves to their respective habitats!!!
Koalas going back to Australia, Polar bears to the arctic, etc etc"

maybe they just asked for directions, they can talk afterall right? ;-)


how languages have evolved (Spanish and French from latin, English and German from Germanic etc etc) is ignored?

"That ALL languages originated from the Tower of Babel rather than evolving through time which has been prooved"

And how god didnt even know about america or australia, funnily enough in a time when no-humans did......coincidence?

"(Why does the Bible have NO mention of Aboriginies,who have existed for 60,000 years, older than the biblical earth!! and NO mention of native amercans??)"

And please try and dig a lttle deeper than "hes god he can do anything"

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Comment #16530 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 6:03 am

Mark:

Everysingle one of your prohpecies were obvious at the time and yes a little criptic


Your quotes have simply prooved my point and not your own, bravo

Perhaps my drought prediction was a bad example, but how about this
"I predict a great city will flood withing 100 years"

thats not happening right now, but its obvious it will because of global warming
however had this prediction been made 5 years ago, it would still be predicting global warming, but you could argue i predicted the New Orleans disaster or the Boxing day tsunami!

prophecies are loosly based on obvious events at the time and can be translated to predict almost anything, that is why you must not belive them all.

If you are basing your belief in god soley on accurate prophecies you need to re-elvaluate what you belive in, for several reasons

1> Yes the bible got a few guesses right, but also got many many prophecies wrong, some havnt....and cant....happen
2> the reasons i just stated about how you cant really take prophecies serously
3> ALL the other religions have prophecies that have appeared to come true like those in the bible
you belive the bible because of its fulfilled prophecies, so why then dont you belive in
Allah?
the Hindu gods?
Zeus?
Thor?
Ra?
Evil galactic lord xenu?
Joseph Smith?

all these religions have had fulfilled prophecies.......so why do you not belive in them?

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Comment #16527 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 5:53 am

Theo:

"The account of the Genesis Flood hardly stands alone in human history. Researchers have described over 100 flood traditions from Europe, Asia, Australia, the East Indies, the Americas, East Africa, and many other places. "

Yes but were they ALL atthe same time covering the entire surface?
you have shot yourself in the foot with this one because even if they were all atthe same time then that would mean that more people survived than those on the ark....with no records as to how......therefore making that story either a lie or these people would have survived without your all kowing all seeing god realising.

"There is a fundamental flaw in this question, you ask, "where does my creator COME from?" well first of all, He never CAME. He always existed as an eternal being with no beginning and no end. Its not farfetched considering that scientist attribute this eternal characteristic to matter and energy"

I cant belive you think like this, seriously it boggles the mind
always there???? how convineant! and scientists only put the "always there" attribute to matter because they dont know where it comes from and we have to assume it was always there.......but they dont belive it was and they are constantly looking for where it came from
plus its FAR easier to belive matter came from nothing as its nothing more than a few atoms, you belive a complex intelligent being has just always been there.....my friend that is ludicrus and impossible, especially if you understand anything about inteliigence......which clearly you dont

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Comment #16524 by down_under on January 7, 2007 at 5:45 am

Theo:

"Gen 6: 1-4, the sons of God refers to the linage of Seth, not angels (angels do not have the ability to form a martial bond Mt 22:30)"

That is disputed.....but regardless of wether it was Angels or Demons are you telling me you honestly belive they crossbred with humans to make giants???

"Unicorns are only found in the king james version"

regardless........their are still unicorns in the bible

"God used animals to talk. An omnipotent God can do that right?"

In a make belive fairyland yes i suppose you are right
but please tell me in what way did God use the snake??? as far as i can see the snake spoke of his own accord......without your omnipitant God even knowing about it!!!!!
and do you know the anatamoy and intelligence of a snake......trust me a talking snake is impossible!!!! explain......

God placed the tree and serpent there so that man can be tested

Where does it say this?? also if God is omnipitant and powerful why would he care if we worshipped him or not and why would he be so cruel as to constantly test our faith? It would be like me forcing all the ants of the world to worship me! God seems to be on a bit of a powertrip and this God you describe in my opinion simply is not worthy of worship!

God rested or ceased from creating on the seventh day.

If he wasnt tired why is it a day of rest? with the death penalty if you work on a sunday apparantly!!
a little bit harsh but we dont want to offend your fair and just and loving god by working on a sunday!! wow if you work on sunday then you deserve to die!! it says so in the bible!!!

First things first, we must understand that fossils are extremely rare

hahahaha Theo are you joking!!!!!!! thousands and thousands of fossils have been discovered!!! they are eveywhere!!!!! some places have hundreds in just one area!!! Fossils are ANYTHING BUT rare!!!! and to make this statement provves you dont know what you are talking about!

"That is why we know that recently extinct Pyrenean Ibex and Dodo bird co-existed with us, BUT WE CANNOT PROVE IT FROM THE FOSSIL RECORD. Our knowledge of the fossil record is still in its infancy and should be treated as such."

Im sorry but the Dodo bird went extinct 500 years ago, the Dinosaurs 65 million!!!! to compare the 2 is ridiculous and unfair!
and also........as ive said many times before.......just because we dont know or understand something.....DOES NOT MAKE IT GOD!!! to say everything we dont understand is God is a very stupid, medieval and dangerous way to think (if you can even call it thinking)

The last time everyone thought like this it was called the dark ages!!!

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Comment #16103 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:47 pm

You must feel pretty lucky to be born into a Christian country aye mark!
just imagine if your family followed a different religion or if you had been born in Syria, you'd all be wrong!
might even burn in hell!

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Comment #16102 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:46 pm

I had many more questions (and have more i have yet too post) bt il leave you with them for now

and just to let you know

you can quote all the loving, friendly and even historically accurate bibe quotes you like

it wont erase the evil, sexist, racist, stupid, ridiculous and historically innacurate ones

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Comment #16101 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:41 pm

Mark, here are some of my previous questions that are constantly ignored

NLHB comments on the filth, and downright evilness that is in the bible and is waiting for an explanation as to how any loving person can possibly accept this book as a guidline for life

Me and Billy commented on all the ancient man-gods

Horus
Osiris
Mithras
Deoysinis
Baal
etc etc

and how their stories are almost identical to Jesus but actually predate jesus (some by several thousand years)
and ask how you can rule out these ancient Gods as mythology yet so openly belive jesus is real


Furthermore

Not only is the bible incredibally evil and simply recycled from other ancient stories
but it is also simply ridiculous!!

Theo, as a sane person can you honestly tell me that.

You belive Angels crossbred with humans to make giants??

Gen 6:4

That UNICORNS actually existed??

Job 39:9

that animals could talk???

Gen 3
Which would also make your all loving god a liar! and rather stupid for
a) putting that tree there in the 1st place
b) putting that snake there

that the entire universe was created in 6 DAYS!!! and that your almighty powerful omnipitant god
GOT TIRED AND NEEDED A REST???

That dinosaurs roamed side by side with biblical people(and giants apparantly) despite all fossil evidence stating otherwise!!!

That the ENTIRE PLANET was flooded despite no other civilisations aronud at the time recording any such flood
surley the egyptian pharoes would have noticed a few submerged pyramids but apparantly not!

That 2 of EVERY ANIMAL!! (now trust me thats ALOT!! there are several species of Wallaby alone!) all fit on 1 boat then somehow managed to redistribute themselves to their respective habitats!!!
Koalas going back to Australia, Polar bears to the arctic, etc etc


That ALL languages originated from the Tower of Babel rather than evolving through time which has been prooved

(Why does the Bible have NO mention of Aboriginies,who have existed for 60,000 years, older than the biblical earth!! and NO mention of native amercans??)

Ca you tell me as a sane human being yu belive all of that??
If not twen how can you be sure the rest of the bible is true??


Also some people are so sure that the great flood killed the dinosaurs (despite noah being told toget 2 of EVERY animal) but if so

then what killed all the flying and swimming dinosaurs???

please please please please answer these questions because noone else seems to want to

another question all thesists(tho not yourself theo........yet) have ignored is this

You say the univese could not have come from nothing so it must be god
yet to belive the universe came from nothing all you have to do is accept that a few tiny atoms came into existance.....we dont know how.....but just because we dont know doesnt mean it was an almighty being!

but answer this

where does your creator come from??
an intelligent almighty being would be FAR more complex than a few atoms forming the big bang, so by your own logic he couldnt come from nothing?
so what created the creator? then what created that?


and why does god love beards and forbid you to shave them? (Lev 19:27)

apologies for the "theo" bits in there mark, i just copied and pasted im tired and being lazy hehe

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Comment #16099 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:38 pm

Mark:

"I assert that clear Bible prophecy, fulfilled in every detail, provably after it was written, provides strong evidence that the God of the Bible is real"

I have answered this before, and i do apoligise.....I do post an awful lot, truth be told i quite enjoy this!

The bible has no "clear" prophecies, no clearer than Nostradaumus and the predictions in the bible were quite obvious at the time and anyone can make an accurate prediction in the way the bible has

"I predict Australia will suffer serious drought within the next 10 years"

Thats much clearer than any bible prophecies and im sure it will come true

however my favorite answer to this question is

"Jules Verne"

This man more accuratly, more recently and less cripticly predicted the futre.....maybe he should be our God and his comlete works our bible?

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Comment #16097 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:28 pm

Mark:

I have read much of the bible...especially during the days when i was still catholic but questioning my faith

however i will admit i have not read it in its entirety and i did not mean to make it sound like i had.....i did once read it all as a young child but obviously im not going to remember it all.(or even understand it all!)

I understood your point, but all it seemed to do was strengthen my point that the only difference in the Jewish, Muslim and Christian Gods was the interpretations

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one

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Comment #16096 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:25 pm

I wonder what excuse christians will come up with when life is discovered on other worlds?
even if ts nothing more than bacteria on mars

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Comment #16090 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:15 pm

where is theo? is he going to answer my questions?
or has he (like all other theists) given up

nfact i challenge all theists to scroll back through all the questions i have asked and to answer them.....i dont like to be ignored and the fact you all ignore them must mean deep down....you know im right

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Comment #16088 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:04 pm

gimlibengloin:

"Seriously though I don't think your following the thread closely. We were not referring to a religious story but the testimony of the 2nd Temple period Jewish historian Josephus who's writings are regarded by scholars and historians as valid. Billy Sands kindly provided a quote from his prior to mine which you should look at."


Despite all that, you said that because the text is there and cant be dis-prooven it must be accepted.....that is what I was getting at, its a rather half brained way to think

plus i notice you did nothing to disproove any of the texts i put forth (though i found your sarcastic "OH NO Frodo isnt real" comment ammusing....nice to see a theist with a sense of humour (trust me it is rare)

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Comment #16087 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 3:00 pm

Mark:

"The basic messages of the Koran and the Bible are incompatible with each other - only one of them can be true"

What a classic statement! ofcourse as a christian you are CERTAIN that it is the bible, mostof the middle east are CERTAIN it is te Koran......depends where you are born my friend.......I present to you the 3rd option that NONE of them are true!

And how dare you assume I havnt read the bible!!!
I used to be a beliving Christian, Catholic infact, I come from an Irish family, my dad is devout catholic!! I went to a catholic school and attened sunday school after church every week!!!!!
It is all this knowledge and christian raising that made me realise how ridiculous it all is!!
And when I asked the preist of my parish (despite his idiocy he is a lovley human being) the impossible questions, he (like many theists on this thread) babbled on, quoted the bible and told me God loves me, without ever answering the question!!

It is my up-bringing as a Catholic that made me realise the sheer stupidity of religion and blind faith and made me atheist
I also took a great interest in science and realised that the things in the bible just could not be so.....
I remember specifically the moment i became atheist

I had been questioning my faith already for at least 3 years (i had grown up a bit and it all just seemed a bit childish and silly to me) i was 15
i was in RE lesson learning about Genesis and, although i was already aware of the many contradictions in the bible, i realised there was one on the 1st page!!!!
that God created Man first, and last!!
then in science class we were learning about the universe and i just though a universe so large, so ancient, so complex, so mysterious......there is no way a God can possibly exist

Then after years of searching and studying all it did was make me more and more atheist and eventually even find theists a little bit dumb!

So yes i have read the bible and yes i am suprised!! suprised anyone can still belive that garbage!! its the 21st century man!!!!!!!

as much as your god wants us to be......we are not children and its time mankind grew up!

And I can say that YES! JEWS MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS ALL WORSHIP THE SAME GOD!! many people of all these faiths accept this!!

All your ramblings did was proove my point that it is the messages and interpretations that differ (hence why they are incompatibale) and more proove that they are all false


*sigh* theists *sigh*

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Comment #16063 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 11:35 am

Heres an intersting website

http://www.evilbible.com

It basically disects the bible and states everything evil, sexist, contradictory, racist, innacurate and ridiculous

really quite interesting.....and eye-opening!

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Comment #16053 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 9:41 am

Beebhack:

hehe yes agreed! alot of people seem to have a belief but not a religion, so i supose there is no catagory for that

altho i should point out people who have belief without religion are far less dangerous than those with a religion and are also more open minded.

alot of people seem to be "non-beliving christians" a strange (and hypocritical) term but fitting given the lifestyle in the UK

Grainofsand in reference to comment 15908:

If what you say i true then that is perfectly acceptable
I would have no problem with the Grand Canyon explaining that it was created by the great flood and is only 4000 or so years old as long as it was stated as Myth and not fact, same with the native american stories on the grand canyon

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Comment #16051 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 9:31 am

Billy :

"It's amazing how theists change their tune concerning their own beliefs"

Notonly is it amazing but extreamly irritating, the theist mind is like that of a child not willing to let go of Santa Claus even after catching their parents putting the presents under the tree

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Comment #16050 by down_under on January 4, 2007 at 9:28 am

gimlibengloin:

"The fact is that the text is there so we regard it as genuine unless solid reason exists to dismiss it"

Isnt tha a rather dangerous (and mind numbingly stupid) train of thought?

By that logic then ALL other religious stories, including those of Thor, Ra, Zeus, Ganesh, allah, Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Galactic Lord Xenu....even non-religous stories such as Lord of the Rings, Narnia and Harry Potter!!! should be ragarded as true

Can you PROVE to me that they don't exist??

80. No religion and an end to war: how thinkers see the future

Comment #15891 by down_under on January 3, 2007 at 2:21 pm

There are 3 types of people in this world;
Those who can count, and those who cant! ;-)

81. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15888 by down_under on January 3, 2007 at 2:00 pm

and in you arguments you can quote all the loving friendly bible passages u like

quoting the nice ones wont erase the evil ones..........or the stupid ones

82. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15884 by down_under on January 3, 2007 at 1:52 pm

And errr Theo.....no Racism in the Bible did yu say???

What about the Canaanites??
Jesus himself was racist towards them!

And in reference to Gays- I dont exactly agree with what they do but they certainly have the right to do it

And did you know that another "crime" in the bible is SHAVING YOUR BEARD!!!yup God loves beards and your banned from geting rid of it!!

Lev 19:27

Hope you have a long fluffy one!!

83. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15880 by down_under on January 3, 2007 at 1:35 pm

Theo

I was going to answer you there but I see Billy has pretty much stated all (and more) of what I was going to say!!
Thanks Billy! youve made my life easier he he

Still a few questions to get through Theo....and dare I say it you seem to be struggeling....the ones you have not yet answered are actually the simplest! (The man-God ones being the more complicated ones)
If its so hard to answer such simple questions with a belife like yours then i would re-consider what you belive in! Belifes that cant answer simple questions are often hiding something!

84. No religion and an end to war: how thinkers see the future

Comment #15860 by down_under on January 3, 2007 at 11:27 am

A dream vision of the future......sadly though, I wonder how likley it really is

85. How Old is the Grand Canyon? Park Service Won't Say

Comment #15859 by down_under on January 3, 2007 at 11:18 am

Apparatnly Atheists outnumber theists by 2 to 1 in Britain

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1978045,00.html

86. How Old is the Grand Canyon? Park Service Won't Say

Comment #15858 by down_under on January 3, 2007 at 11:14 am

From the NY times

"To atheists like Weinberg, Dawkins and Harris and their many avid readers, it is clearly disappointing that in America, unlike in most of Europe, rationalist, scientific ideas have not become the norm."

87. How Old is the Grand Canyon? Park Service Won't Say

Comment #15855 by down_under on January 3, 2007 at 11:02 am

beebhack:

That is true....in recent years the UK especially has bowed to religious pressure, however this is more a political correctness thing and is in regards to Islam more than anything else

These events have sparked a few fundies of all religions to create their own little piece of havoc......however

these problems are largley confined to London (and in a smaller sense Birmingham, Manchester and Bradford)
I would harldey rate the actions of these small (but loud) minorites as the view of the entire nation and relgion still has no real say in politics when it comes to truth,science and history

My point is in the UK if a cave is prooven to be 4 millions years old, it will clearly be stated as fact, the government would not butt in......and if it did, would be severly ridiculed for doing so

Chedder Gorge even proudly states how "Brits" have been living there for over 40,000 years

And the UK cities I have lived in and visited (Portsmouth (especially so) Southampton,Cardiff, Norwich and Liverpool (not so much)) have all been populated by primarily atheists (except perhaps liverpool)......and no leaflets dropping through my door about religion!

In Oz Uluru states its prooven geolical age proudly (500 million years when it was under the ocean) but also explains the aboriginal dreamtime stories......as myth


The US has gone too far

88. How Old is the Grand Canyon? Park Service Won't Say

Comment #15737 by down_under on January 2, 2007 at 11:37 am

In fact....how long before the USA creates the new Dark ages??

89. How Old is the Grand Canyon? Park Service Won't Say

Comment #15736 by down_under on January 2, 2007 at 11:34 am

I Cantbelive what i just read!!

The stupidity boggles the mind!!

Im so glad that commenwealth countries (well the UK and Australia anyway) are scientific and intelligent and dont let religion run things in the way that the US obviously does

then again in Australia and the UK we have many more Atheists and religion is almost looked at as evil and stupid

1 more reason not too move to the states!!

90. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15723 by down_under on January 2, 2007 at 9:27 am

Also Theo you have defended death in the bible.......which says alot about your morals i may add.......but you have ignored to comment on all the other evil goings on that are justified in the bible

Slavery, Gay hating, child beating and woman being 2nd class citizens....all fine in the bible

please explain how you can honestly accept this as a moral person


Billy:

You said:

"The whole man god thing is fatal to christianity"

Maybe this is why they all refuse to comment on it? he he

91. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15722 by down_under on January 2, 2007 at 9:21 am

Theo:

You said to NLHB

"Also, the law that contained that punishment was written to govern the nation of Israel over 3000 years ago. That law was replaced by the new law nearly 2000 years ago, that is why you will not find Christians stoning someone to death outside the church building for breaking any crime in the O.T."

Does this not proove that the Bible is nothing more than a book written on the values and belifes of people at the time and nothing to do with an almighty being?

And are you seriously sayingthat death and slavery is OK because it says so in the bible?
Killing the 1st borns of Egypt, destroying a city, flooding the earth.....all fine because all loving God did it?

Are you saying Death is an appropriate punishment for arguing with your father, stealing an apple or worshipping another God? because it says so in the bible?

Isnt it a nice co-incidence that you were convineantly Born into the correct religion aswell!! I feel sorry for all those people born in places like Iraq and India, who will burn in hell jsut for being born in the wrong country!! man what a fair and loving God you worship!

92. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15721 by down_under on January 2, 2007 at 9:13 am

Theo:

"Good, I see that you understand that historical documents do not have to be original to be approved, once you understand that, there is nothing more to say."

I mayagree to a certain extent with that statement, however the point i was trying to make is that historical references are still far more creditable than the Bible, for various reasons but the primary reason being the bible is just a religious artifact,nothing more than stories with no exact dates recorded by people hundreds of years after the events were meant to have happened

Surely any-one with half a brain must realise that this makes the bible incredibaly unreliable and by no means a source of historical reference



Also have you found any answers for any other questions yet? i find it interesting to see what a theist may think on these issues as they are usually ignored

93. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15579 by down_under on January 1, 2007 at 12:10 pm

Good points Dylan, couldnt've said it better myself!

94. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15537 by down_under on January 1, 2007 at 6:26 am

another question all thesists(tho not yourself theo........yet) have ignored is this

You say the univese could not have come from nothing so it must be god
yet to belive the universe came from nothing all you have to do is accept that a few tiny atoms came into existance.....we dont know how.....but just because we dont know doesnt mean it was an almighty being!

but answer this

where does your creator come from??
an intelligent almighty being would be FAR more complex than a few atoms forming the big bang, so by your own logic he couldnt come from nothing?
so what created the creator? then what created that?

Thank you in advance for answering all my questions to a satifcatory level.
PS: Where are you from? I really hope it is the southern US, it would be a hilarious stereotype!!

95. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15534 by down_under on January 1, 2007 at 6:02 am

Also some people are so sure that the great flood killed the dinosaurs (despite noah being told toget 2 of EVERY animal) but if so

then what killed all the flying and swimming dinosaurs???

please please please please answer these questions because noone else seems to want to

96. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15533 by down_under on January 1, 2007 at 5:58 am

Furthermore

Not only is the bible incredibally evil and simply recycled from other ancient stories
but it is also simply ridiculous!!

Theo, as a sane person can you honestly tell me that.

You belive Angels crossbred with humans to make giants??

Gen 6:4

That UNICORNS actually existed??

Job 39:9

that animals could talk???

Gen 3
Which would also make your all loving god a liar! and rather stupid for
a) putting that tree there in the 1st place
b) putting that snake there

that the entire universe was created in 6 DAYS!!! and that your almighty powerful omnipitant god
GOT TIRED AND NEEDED A REST???

That dinosaurs roamed side by side with biblical people(and giants apparantly) despite all fossil evidence stating otherwise!!!

That the ENTIRE PLANET was flooded despite no other civilisations aronud at the time recording any such flood
surley the egyptian pharoes would have noticed a few submerged pyramids but apparantly not!

That 2 of EVERY ANIMAL!! (now trust me thats ALOT!! there are several species of Wallaby alone!) all fit on 1 boat then somehow managed to redistribute themselves to their respective habitats!!!
Koalas going back to Australia, Polar bears to the arctic, etc etc


That ALL languages originated from the Tower of Babel rather than evolving through time which has been prooved

(Why does the Bible have NO mention of Aboriginies,who have existed for 60,000 years, older than the biblical earth!! and NO mention of native amercans??)

Ca you tell me as a sane human being yu belive all of that??
If not twen how can you be sure the rest of the bible is true??

97. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15532 by down_under on January 1, 2007 at 5:32 am

Theo:

NLHB comments on the filth, and downright evilness that is in the bible and is waiting for an explanation as to how any loving person can possibly accept this book as a guidline for life

Me and Billy commented on all the ancient man-gods

Horus
Osiris
Mithras
Deoysinis
Baal
etc etc

and how their stories are almost identical to Jesus but actually predate jesus (some by several thousand years)
and ask how you can rule out these ancient Gods as mythology yet so openly belive jesus is real



these are the issues you have (frequently) ignored

i await your reponse

98. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15422 by down_under on December 31, 2006 at 7:13 am

NLHB

I really hope someone attempts to answer your comments this time!!

you have pointed out the evilness of the bible a few times now only to be ignored, annoying I bet!

Also I have come up with an answer to everyone who uses the (apparant) accuracues of bible prophecies and my answer is simply a name

"Jules Verne"

He predicted the future far more accuratly than the bible, without it being criptic and in a far more recent book
Perhaps we should worship him as a God and have 20,000 leagues under the sea as our Bible?

99. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15299 by down_under on December 30, 2006 at 8:05 am

Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-71) once said: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

100. The God of the Bible is No Delusion!

Comment #15234 by down_under on December 29, 2006 at 7:22 pm

TO ALL THEISTS:

I cant argue with child like minds as youself anymore so im not even going to try

if you want to continue to live in a fairy land with a magical almighty being and talking snakes and unicorns all fuled by fear of death and wanting for eternal life thats up too you
personally i think its stupid

plus how can anyone enjoy heaven knowing that other human beings are burning in hell?? for petit crimes (such as not beliving!!)
how heartless are you?!?!?!?!

goodbye everyone, i can no longer handle the immature minds of theists