51. A Mission to Convert

Comment #14915 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 5:00 pm

19. Comment #14892 by Riley on December 26
"I hear atheist-evagelists (Dawkins and Harris included) claim that a belief in a personal god has been a (the?) decisive factor in many of the word's large-scale killings, and I think this claim is not very well supported by evidence and worse leads to pointless pissing matches."

Perhaps Riley would like to comment on "God and the Fight Against Aids"?

52. A Mission to Convert

Comment #14910 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 4:38 pm

Thanks for the update JohnC. It's an issue that always comes into mind, whenever I read xtians banging on about their superior morality. I did read quite an interesting article on the web recently, (dated 2005), reguarding how the money from Bush's 15 billion dollar AIDS funding package was likely to be distributed. It started off with this:

"In 2003, President George W. Bush asked Congress for $15 billion to fight AIDS in developing countries. During the 1990s, HIV spread rapidly, especially in Africa, where some 250 people were dying from AIDS every hour. The US had been accused of not doing enough to fight the epidemic, and when the bill passed, many conscience-stricken Americans, moved by images in the press of dying women and children, praised the administration. But some were not sure. Much of the money will go to church-affiliated charities or faith-based organizations, including some evangelical Christian groups that have very little experience with AIDS."

Taken from:
"God and the Fight Against AIDS"
By Helen Epstein
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17963

Everytime, I have brought this issue up with xtians taking that high moral stance, I have been met with silence.

53. A Mission to Convert

Comment #14902 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 3:08 pm

Reguarding the issue of morality. Are christian missionaries still preaching against the use of condoms in areas of developing countries which are rife with AIDS? Africa for example?

54. A Christmas thunderbolt for the arch-enemy of religion

Comment #14893 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 12:40 pm

Mr. Cornwell (or was it God)


Ah, but which god?

55. A Christmas thunderbolt for the arch-enemy of religion

Comment #14850 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 12:35 am

Oh ...and mental wanker (aka John Cornwell), let's play molecular biology/genetics next time! I so enjoy that rhetoric/game so much more than the tired old one, which you and your ilk dribble out over and over again.
Happy pagan Holiday festival to you and yours :)

56. A Christmas thunderbolt for the arch-enemy of religion

Comment #14849 by Nikki on December 26, 2006 at 12:05 am

42.Comment #14846 by EvolvedDNA

RAmen EvolvedDNA

Well I guess that just gave away my 'unitelligent design' agenda away, didn't it?
I am obviously not an atheist, but instead, a true/firm believer in His Noodleyness, the One and only True God, the Flyng Spaghetti Monster!
Guess I have just outed myself on this forum as an theist, huh?
Bugga!!!!!
You get that on the small jobs, don't you?

57. A Christmas thunderbolt for the arch-enemy of religion

Comment #14845 by Nikki on December 25, 2006 at 8:46 pm

39. Comment #14843 by Muhammed Thor Kershberg
'Oh and Happy Birthday to that hippy bastard'

Oh, would that be the one whose actual birth date, no one appears to be aware/sure of?

58. A Christmas thunderbolt for the arch-enemy of religion

Comment #14844 by Nikki on December 25, 2006 at 8:42 pm

John Cornwell as God
Nascistic, long winded and incorporating all the same old repeated fallacies proclaimed by the jesusists/godists in the past.
Nothing more than a mental wank to try and force himself on anyone who bothers to read it.
You'd think god could make it's point in a newspaper article using less than 3085 words.

59. The Only One in Step

Comment #14552 by Nikki on December 23, 2006 at 7:13 am

Comment #14548 by ridelo
"What interests me: are they frauds or do they really believe in their weird theories."

ridelo, I often wondered the same thing when I initially began to delve more into the YEC/IDiot movement. I'm loathe to call it a debate, being that I have yet to see any decent grounded scientic evidence of one.
After visiting quite a number of site fronts (eg IRC,Discovery and others) for these groups over the past few months, I can only describe these people as spin doctors. The YECS (a term they use themselves) and the IDiots (what I call the intelligent design lot) each have their own particular style of rhetoric. The YECs seem to always go in for the hard and fast "literal bible" sell, with a loud brash marketing cry of "this many scientists support the scientific basis of genesis". The IDiots, in comparison, appear a little more subdued in their selling tactics and rhetoric. No doubt, due to the fact they want their brand to be implemented, as science, in schools.
I think these scientists are salesmen and their futures now lie in sucessful sales of these products. Just my opinion. Who knows?

60. The Only One in Step

Comment #14547 by Nikki on December 23, 2006 at 5:05 am

"Everybody loves mavericks, but these charlatans are not scientists."

These people obviously want nothing less than to legislate their own version of science itself into education.
I think this article sums up YEC/ID "science" quite well.
'Rogue Scientist Has Own Scientific Method'
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49180

61. The Only One in Step

Comment #14542 by Nikki on December 23, 2006 at 4:34 am

45. Comment #14528 by Roger Stanyard
"It's a war between religious extremists and the rest of humanity including the religious."

Hear, hear!
Surely the more moderate religious (of all persuasions), are becoming increasingly aware of the damage these extremists are doing to tolerance of religion in general. They must stand up and be counted.

62. The Only One in Step

Comment #14501 by Nikki on December 22, 2006 at 6:53 pm

26. Comment #14483 by 2Black on December 22, 2006 at 4:14 pm
"Be interesting to know what these gentlemen say when given the counter argument that the earth isn't a closed system by virtue of the sun. I imagine they would have heard this argument once or twice? Anyone care to enlighten?"

Talk Origins covers most of the YEC/IDiot claims well. I haven't yet read through this topic though.

"Thermodynamics, Evolution and Creationism"
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo.html

63. The Only One in Step

Comment #14478 by Nikki on December 22, 2006 at 3:46 pm

You have to wonder if Professor Andrew McIntosh can even say the word 'photosynthesis'. Still, the YECs proclaim any supporter who has a science degree, reguardless of his/her field of achievement.

64. The Only One in Step

Comment #14477 by Nikki on December 22, 2006 at 3:39 pm

14. Comment #14455 by quork on December 22, 2006 at 2:02 pm
'You can find some of McIntosh's thoughts on thermodynamics and evolution expressed at the web site' Answers in Genesis:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/Area/isd/mcintosh.asp
.
I can't find anything in McIntosh's bio, which would qualify him to make assessments/judgements on biological or evolutionary processes.

65. The Only One in Step

Comment #14468 by Nikki on December 22, 2006 at 3:03 pm

4. Comment #14428 by OUMedStudent on December 22, 2006 at 11:58 am
'It seems that Andy believes that there is some intrinsic property or information required simply to hold chemical bonds together. So his assessment is even worse than previously believed. Not only does he think Evolution by Natural Selection violates the Second Law, but he believes that without invoking divine machinery, the simple concept of a chemical bond would violate it as well.'
.
Oh dear! Do you suppose we could consider hydrophobic effects, pi stacking interactions,hydrogen bonding and electrostatic interactions, which maintain the stability of the DNA molecule, as intrinsic properties? (information I learnt in Ist year uni level biochemistry BTW!)
This guy (a professor?) obviously doesn't have much grounding in the way of chemistry! (or scientific reasoning, for that matter)

66. Merry Mithras

Comment #14321 by Nikki on December 22, 2006 at 2:51 am

According to this guy, he has evidence that Mithras is a rip off from christianity. Where does he find the supporting evidence for this assertion? Why,in the bible of course! However, the author of the post at this site,(Jack Wallace),does go into some in-depth detail about presumptions of the pagan origins of christianity.
http://members.aol.com/jasonte2/myths.htm

67. Now we know how to make the IDists dance in their petticoats: blaspheme.

Comment #14079 by Nikki on December 21, 2006 at 4:14 am

What can I say. Dembski is hilarious!

68. Merry Mithras

Comment #13653 by Nikki on December 19, 2006 at 2:55 am

7. Comment #13634 by paradigm667 on December 18, 2006 at 11:53 pm
'I believe he has a book called "Losing Faith in Faith." '

"Losing Faith In Faith: From Preacher To Atheist" by Dan Barker
Chapter 35
http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=assertions

Merry Mithras to all and Happy Holiday

69. Christmas Present to Defenders of Darwinism

Comment #13639 by Nikki on December 19, 2006 at 12:31 am

edit: I get nothing!?
Could be punishment for my typos, I suppose.

70. Christmas Present to Defenders of Darwinism

Comment #13638 by Nikki on December 19, 2006 at 12:26 am

This is where I went to:-
From Bill Dembski:

"The Judge Jones School of Law" is the brainchild of brilliant professional flash animator (I think of him as the "Rembrandt" of flash animation; for now he will remain anonymous until he sees the fallout from his handiwork) as well as of me and my lovely wife Jana (who came up with the name). We present this as a Christmas gift to students everywhere. Around Christmas last year, Judge Jones did you the disservice of shafting you royally. This time it's your turn to laugh at his expense. Yes, the humor is adolescent, but overwhelmingevidence.com is a site for adolescents, and you are, after all, the ones who got shafted, having to endure the imbecility that is Darwinism at school by being forcefed this materialist ideology in the name of science."
Check it out:
http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/id/JJ_school_of_law/
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On clicking on that link, I get mothing????

71. Christmas Present to Defenders of Darwinism

Comment #13637 by Nikki on December 19, 2006 at 12:20 am

Is this animation now removed, or is the fact that I can't seem to get anything, except a blank rectangle at the link, due to my technical ignorace somehow?