Comments by Geodesic17

Comment #177032 by Geodesic17 on May 8, 2008 at 1:40 pm

This article looks like a maze of theological rambling that I do not have the patience to navigate through.

52. The History Channel might do something right

Comment #176171 by Geodesic17 on May 6, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Hopefully they will minimize the sensationalism.

I'm reminded of how Indiana University Northwest's marketing department advertised their ID vs Evolution debate: God vs Science.

Hopefully they have consulted some solid sources and minimize edutainment sensationalism.

53. The History Channel might do something right

Comment #176091 by Geodesic17 on May 6, 2008 at 2:21 pm

It is ironic how creationists often mock their own beliefs.

"Lightening striking mud? HA!"
"The eye just magically forming? HA!"

54. The History Channel might do something right

Comment #176074 by Geodesic17 on May 6, 2008 at 1:52 pm

More like, "The Faux Archaeologist".

55. The History Channel might do something right

Comment #176057 by Geodesic17 on May 6, 2008 at 1:04 pm

Well, if they take the advertising revenue from the Expelled campaign and pump it into quality programming like this, then maybe we can take a utilitarian outlook towards the channel. The same people that saw the Expelled commercials could end up watching this. Maybe they will realize that they were duped by Ben Stein.

Now they just need to clear up the whole Holocaust propoganda.

It will take several documentaries and miniseries to set the poor victims of Expelled straight.

Personally, I'd like to see a Bertrand Russell documentary on the History Channel. More Americans need to know about him.

Especially after so many rediculous shows like a mini-series on the anti-christ as though it was factual and needed serious investigation and consideration.

Edutainment is a problem. Did they even bother consulting an opposing, scholarly view point like Bart Ehrman on these matters?

56. Is Liberal Catholicism Dead?

Comment #175940 by Geodesic17 on May 6, 2008 at 8:59 am

Is a liberal religion a slippery slope to no religion?

57. Dumb and Dumber: A discussion between Ben Stein and Glenn Beck

Comment #175494 by Geodesic17 on May 5, 2008 at 1:57 pm

Richard Nixon must be spinning in his grave.

58. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #174198 by Geodesic17 on May 1, 2008 at 8:58 pm

Goldy -- just my standard response to trolling.

59. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #174196 by Geodesic17 on May 1, 2008 at 8:51 pm

Yes Richard, witty retort... wait... hat retort? Oh, I must have missed it amidst all the whining and ad hominem attacks. I just couldn't stand reading YOUR sycophantic audience sopping up your every word. Cheers sycophants! And now... the attacks...

Where do I start?

Do you know what trolling is?
Sorry, but I won't be attacking you to fuel your persecution complex. If you are here to insult everyone and then whine and complain when they dislike you, then you picked the wrong place to do so. You'll get better results from behaving yourself and engaging in rational discourse. You can present an opposing view without agreeing with your opposition; just do it respectfully.

60. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #174162 by Geodesic17 on May 1, 2008 at 7:34 pm

Is Expelled exploiting an existing Christian game plan to link Darwin and Hitler? This piece seems to say so.

It is interesting to note that these kind of political games are not a recent development in Christianity. I recommend Lost Christianities by Bart Ehrman who wants to study suprresed beliefs. This war on culture is really just a survival of the loudest strategy. So much for tolerance...

I need to start posting in the forum instead of just the comments sections.

Has anyone read about the demonization of Pagan Gods by the Church? I need to brush up on my history there.

Getting back on track, I recall how someone mentioned earlier that people in the ID and Creationist movement tend to project what is said to them back onto critics. The fact of the matter is that many of these Conservative Creationists have more in common with Social Darwinism than the people they accuse of it. I read a blog somewhere where an ID proponent refused that there is a distinction between Social Darwinism and Darwinism.

Make up BS and suppress others' views so yours can win?

For the record, I spoke to many people while in college about Intelligent Design. The emphasis was that it is not science and if it is going to be discussed in schools, it belongs somewhere else, like philosophy class.

By the way, TruthID, have you read about Anaximander and

61. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #174131 by Geodesic17 on May 1, 2008 at 5:35 pm

TruthID,

Has anyone suggested that you listen to Ken Miller? He is a proponent of theistic evolution.

Also, I suggesting reading a bit about Spinoza and Pantheism.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spinoza/

62. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173591 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 10:50 pm

Those scientists must have miscalculated the speed of light.

.... the devil just made it look that way.

63. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173519 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 8:42 pm

This was worth listening too. I think he presented himself well and was very good about educating the ill-informed callers.

64. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173489 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 8:04 pm

I would have driven from Seattle if I had the day off. I'm going to listen to this now.

65. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173330 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 4:11 pm

OK. I'll listen to this later. Thanks for removing the ads.

66. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #173277 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 3:10 pm

There are points where there will not be evidence found. For example, the fossil record only works when fossils are formed. Unfortunately, acid levels of soils prevent certain environments from producing fossils. There are gaps that are acknowledged.

If you had a puzzle that only had 70% of the pieces, you could probably figure out what the image is of. You would be able to see how the pieces related and rule out what doesn't make sense.

67. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173273 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 3:03 pm

There needs to be a site for noobs.

68. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173269 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Kurzweilfreak,

The call-center would just have to persuade them to read the that site in its entirety.

69. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173261 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 2:51 pm

I agree with Steve on this. The questions that arise are usually from lack of knowledge or being given wrong information. There just needs to be a cheat sheet somewhere with how to address these issues. Especially since they become heated. Knowing when someone is willing to learn is important.

70. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173253 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 2:42 pm

Thanks, Jolly Bloger.

If there are suicide hotlines, there should be hotlines for helping creationists. =)

71. Bill Good Interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #173246 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 2:38 pm

I will probably skip listening to this.

Having worked in IT before, I know how annoying repetitive stupid questions are.

Someone needs to setup a call center to answer people's questions.

72. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #173088 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 10:21 am

If ThruthID wants to understand where we are coming from, I see no harm in that. As long as he is here to learn it is cool by me if he hangs out here.

73. Museums teach society lacking in science literacy

Comment #173087 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 10:19 am

A breath of fresh air.

This shows you how the mind tends to fill in gaps when presented with limited information. I skimmed this post and thought this said "Fresh Prince of Belair" before I read it a second time.

74. How to reconcile Richard Dawkins?

Comment #173085 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 10:18 am

Hey guys,

I've been thinking about this reconciling Dawkins thing. I think we need to go on a weekend retreat to Nicea and spend a long weekend brainstorming. Maybe we can come up with some sort of doctrine to explain these contradictions.

Thanks,
Geodesic17

75. Science leads to killing people

Comment #173043 by Geodesic17 on April 30, 2008 at 9:05 am

Religious people seem to vote republican.

The Right fears socialism (national healthcare) because when a country seems to embrace socialism the seem to slowly leave their religion behind.

It is all about keeping their God alive.

I would love to hear what you people think about this?

I'm wondering if there is a framework to this nuttiness. I don't know about the latest theories of consciousness, but I'm guessing that God fits in somewhere in an Ego State model. Maybe a corruption of the Parent Ego State. I do agree with you that these people believe that they are defenders of god.

Also, on Christian Nationalism, once you believe that you have a ancient, trinitarian ghost in your head that talks to you, it isn't such a leap in logic for an individual to start talking on behalf of dead presidents.

Isn't it interesting how many "intelligent" creationists are lawyers - an occupation where, often, winning the argument is more important than exposing the truth?

Yes. I met an ID Theorist that was getting his PHD in Philosophy. Lets redesign science so that some people don't have to change their views on god.

Also, the Discovery Institute doesn't seem to be discovering much these days. I'm pretty sure that they are just a PR/Propoganda firm.

76. How to reconcile Richard Dawkins?

Comment #172474 by Geodesic17 on April 29, 2008 at 3:34 pm

In trying to understand the mindset of religious minded people, it seems that there is a range of tolerance, skepticism, and intolerance for nonbelievers. Some are more informed than others.

77. How to reconcile Richard Dawkins?

Comment #172454 by Geodesic17 on April 29, 2008 at 3:17 pm

As for the people that get worked up over Dawkins, I think that they are just very sensitive to the criticism of their religion and beliefs. And as stated by someone earlier, the written word is more fixed presentation of ideas than conversation.

78. How to reconcile Richard Dawkins?

Comment #172448 by Geodesic17 on April 29, 2008 at 3:08 pm

automath,

Thanks for the reply. Agnostocism is less prone to attack and is considered less of a faux pas in the parts of the US that I'm from. When dealing with those that are not academics, colloqualisms are conversational norms.

Anyhow, my thoughts were that there might be less threatening ways to introduce atheism to a largely Christian populace -- it just doesn't help that there is a lot of bad information about atheists being spread about by preachers and such.

A constant dialogue with the public seems to be required for weeding out myths about atheists.

79. How to reconcile Richard Dawkins?

Comment #172286 by Geodesic17 on April 29, 2008 at 12:40 pm

I had a thought, but it escapes me at the moment. As far as believers wanting to understand Atheism, the God Delusion probably isn't a good introductory for Christians. I recommend Bart Ehrman for people that are just starting out. He claims agnosticism though.

80. Science leads to killing people

Comment #171009 by Geodesic17 on April 28, 2008 at 8:26 am

So why is he promoting anti-intellectualism and retardation?

Political agenda? Personal gain? Mental illness?

81. Science leads to killing people

Comment #170722 by Geodesic17 on April 27, 2008 at 10:52 pm

I remember when Jimmy Kimmel and Ben Stein would visit Loveline with Dr. Drew and Adam Corrola. I wonder what Dr. Drew thinks of Stein now.

82. Open Letter to a victim of Ben Stein's lying propaganda

Comment #170671 by Geodesic17 on April 27, 2008 at 10:06 pm

TheTruthID apologized? Apology accepted. As long as he respects everyone and is here to learn, I'm cool with him hanging out here. Hopefully there will be plenty of debate, but less bickering and name calling from everyone.

Cheers!

83. Soldier Sues Army, Saying His Atheism Led to Threats

Comment #170079 by Geodesic17 on April 27, 2008 at 10:45 am

I recommend the book Imperial Life in the Emerald City. It is an amusing, but sad, book about what happens when you make up a CPA full of Bible College Grads.

It makes the reconstruction effort sound like a bunch of Bible College Grads that marched into Baghdad with their Bibles, Anti-Abortion Laws, 9/11 Posters, Freedom Fries, bacon, and the attitude that they were bringing civilization to Iraq.

84. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169749 by Geodesic17 on April 26, 2008 at 5:21 pm

That isn't how you make a cake! You buy cake from the store!

/endtrollmode

85. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169279 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Corylus, do you have any baking advice for Devil's Food cake? For the sponge cake, what temp. and how long in the oven?

You weren't around to see the first Devil's Food Cake made so your recipe is not valid. Boy, aren't you gonna be sad when you realize that the cake you are eating isn't really cake and you are in fact not full?

86. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169277 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 5:05 pm

But Caesar was a god. So Caesar created himself? I'm so confused. I don't understand cake baking and related fields.

lalalalalalalallalal emmmmooo mmmooom mmmm maooadosmfasmdfamsdfmm ooo mow mow oo oo ooo mow m-mow mong ping wamp dongggggity lalalalalalal

87. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169275 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 5:01 pm

EUREKA! Bakers bake cakes, but cakes don't caker bakes. This contemplation of cake has convinced me to become an Evangelical Christian Nationalist.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but remember that God created Caesar so you better do what God says, commie.

88. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169270 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 4:55 pm

But Dr Benway, it's all a part of the "Grand Atheist Conspiracy" as you well know.
I think my chapter of the organisation is a sister chapter to the one you're in, though I'm pretty new.
Woops...I probably wasn't supposed to mention that, was I?

I imagine it must be very scarey to be so distrusting of society and the world. There is a lot of fear involved in rejecting the real world.

89. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169262 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 4:49 pm

Don't forget the Cosmic Battle of Good and Evil stuff from the Zoarastrians.

90. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #169109 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 2:46 pm

TheTruthID and Remnant should just go shack up together somewhere where they can share their love.

91. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168990 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 1:56 pm

I see a lot of conspiracy theorist ranting in those articles. I'll give it a closer look after work.

92. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168982 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 1:50 pm

Where is the thought crime legislation coming from? Who is it coming from? If it exists I am against it!

93. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168976 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 1:45 pm

Comment #168955 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 1:32 pm

cite your works. You were the one that made the following baseless inference.

You, "Religious thought crime is superstition, and putting thought crime into practice as a concept by prosecuting it is totalitarian fascist tyranny."

Actually, that was someone else's post. I'm trying to see the evidence for your claims.

94. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168955 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 1:32 pm

You should do some political research before flapping. If you look at the "thought crime" legislation that has been recently proposed, you will find it coming from the secular left.

Works cited, please.

If you are arguing that keeping ID out of science class is under this category, then that is silly. Please ellaborate.

95. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168945 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Remnant was commenting on atheists picking apart words. I'm wondering if he sees words as fixed objects.

96. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168903 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 12:45 pm

There is a book by the pioneer of multiple intelligences that advocates that what every child deserves from an education is an understanding of classical music, evolution, and the moral lessons learned from the holocaust. I wish I could remember the name of the book at the moment. But the point is that it would promote a well rounded brain.

97. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168897 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 12:43 pm

This is part of what we're up against: brain damage.

I don't know what is the source of the seeming inability to think in more than 2 dimensions. But I am inclined to agree that some people just aren't as smart as others.

98. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168877 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 12:18 pm

Comment #168821 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 11:30 am

I just love how atheists and evolutions latch on to words like surmises, postulates, could have, possibly, theorizes,maybe, hopefully, possibly, as solid evidence.

Too funny. I guess it is just a godless thingy!

What are you talking about?

Also, what is your definition of good and evil? If you are working within the framework of the Zoarastrian Cosmic Battle Between Good and Evil, as many Fundamentalist Christians do, then we are proceeding from different perspectives.

99. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168834 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 11:42 am

Of course it is a godless mentality, atheists don't believe in god.

What are your definitions of evil and good?

100. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #168831 by Geodesic17 on April 25, 2008 at 11:37 am

Liberal, atheist, science professors that engage in extracurricular activities with students and the public certaintly aren't charitable.

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