51. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194394 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Brian English

Here is a good one.

What do you get when 12 Britain's come together?

Answer: A full set of teeth.

52. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194381 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 5:05 pm

MPhil

This is a great time to be alive. This is the generation which will witness the truth. It is your choice. You have the free will to decide your fate. Humble yourself and pray. The theory of Evolution is crumbling more and more each day. You can't ignore it any longer.

53. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194379 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 5:01 pm

thewhitepearl

Did you see the movie? Must not have. Dawkins cleary refers to intelligent design as a great possibility.

54. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194377 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 5:00 pm

The momentum is swinging our way. Don't be frightened. It is the truth. Shortly you will be the minority and will have to, at some point, reevaluate what you inferred to be truth. You have all been deceived by the continued perpetuation of bogus science.

55. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194372 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 4:55 pm

To All,

Let's get back on track. Can any of you show proof of Macroevolution. Why do you keep avoiding the question? Is it because you have no proof? Even Dawkins himself admitted to intelligent design in the great Ben Stein movie "Expelled". What a masterpiece. I see all the Evoltion supporters start to shake. It is amazing how many scientists are now starting to question the possibility of Macroevolution being pure conjecture. There has been a huge swing in the scientific community towards Creation since the movies release.

56. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194344 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 4:00 pm

Goldy

You are a sinner. We all are. Don't fool yourself. That's why I pray for your salvation. To help you realize that you are a sinner and need to be saved. Don't you want eternal life?

57. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194337 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:57 pm

Goldy

God gave us free will. Like all of us, our free will leads to sin. Homosexuality is a sin.

58. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194328 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:47 pm

Goldy

Yes, love is natural. Intimate sex with the same sex is not natural. God did not command them to be together. God does not hate gays. He hates their actions. Their free will lead them to make an unnatural choice. I don't look down on them. I pray for them to see their sins and repent. We all have sins and need to repent. We all need to pray for eachother. Always remember. Jesus is the Light, The Truth and The Way.

59. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194316 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:40 pm

Goldy

No. Trailer trashers are outcomes of their own free will.

60. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194306 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:32 pm

thewhitepearl

No. I admit that I am flesh. I never claimed to be holier then holy. We all sin and fall short of rightousness.

61. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194302 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:30 pm

Steve Zara

Yes, same-sex relationships are part of society. This does not mean it is good for society. You need help. God does love all. It is your actions in which he hates. It is not natural. Can you breed with this person? Is this why you have been denying the Lord? Just ask him for guidence and clarity. He will show you the way and help you heel from your unnatural desires.

62. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194292 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Steve Zara

Are you Gay?

63. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194290 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:21 pm

Podaar
devotion:

1 a: religious fervor : piety b: an act of prayer or private worship â€"usually used in plural c: a religious exercise or practice other than the regular corporate worship of a congregation

64. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194281 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:13 pm

Podaar

Why did you get married. For what purpose? Could it be from the teachings of the Judeo-Christian Bible?

65. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194277 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:10 pm

To All

We must fight all evil. Some of you do not realize you are evil while others are intentially evil. I am here to help you open your eyes to reality before it is too late. I know my prayers and the prayers of others will eventually turn you from your heathen ways and turn you into a much happier spiritual soul. One who can really make a change in our society. One who can embrace a loving father. Jesus Christ our Lord.

66. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194269 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 3:03 pm

Steve Zara

Even you are starting to get irritated. To say there is no debate in the scientific community in regards to Macroevolution is an attempt to conceal your aggravation. You know the truth. If you are truly a scientist, let's keep your integrity intact. Don't stoop to the lows of these other uneducated forum players. You have more to lose if you start giving in to your emotions.

67. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194259 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 2:55 pm

Goldy

I understand that grass is not just grass. There is grass, as in lawn, and there is the grass you have been smoking your whole life which has caused your innerself to self destruct. That's why you need to get on your knees and ask Jesus for salvation. You need to fill this bitterness and hostility in your heart with the Holy Spirit.

68. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194250 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Goldy

I found an error in your statement. You inserted the word house for the word trailer. Just thought I would point that out to you.

69. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194236 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 2:46 pm

Podaar

Is this a picture of yourselves? For the rest of the forum, if this picture is real, I think you have a spy. I recognize this couple. They are a couples pastor team I've seen before in church.

70. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194224 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Steve Zara

You are mistaken. I deal with the truth and reality. I refuse to accept a theory which is based soley on circumstantial inferences. Whether you admit it or not, even though you state that most highly asteemed academic scientists deny creation, there are more than enough who don't. Why is this? If Macroevolution is so scientifically factually proven, written in stone, why the debate amongst the scientific community? I am sorry, but there are just too many in your community that think otherwise for this to be so clear cut.

71. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194206 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 2:27 pm

To All

What do all atheists scream in the time of danger? Oh God please help me.

Why is this?

72. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194197 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Steve Zara


All you have his circumstantial inferences. Fossils have similar attributes, so they must be from the same lineage? Or, could they be from the same desinger? Possible? I think so? Your prebiased mind does not allow for logical rational thinking. It is stuck in a place that does not allow true reasoning. Look outside the box. 2 plus 2 equals 4. But if it is outside the box, you will infer it is 3 or 5. Choose the impossible vs the unthinkable.

73. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194191 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 2:12 pm

al-rawandi

Ridicule Kirk Cameron? Who are you and what is your accomplishment to society other than intentually contributing to the continued deceivement of Evolution theory.

74. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194186 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Steve Zara

With a display of 5 pieces of art, would not an art novice have the ability to determine which 3 were the works of Picasso? Why? The same creator and or designer.

75. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194171 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Dr. Zara,

A plant is still a plant. A dog is still a dog. So on and so on.

76. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194169 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 1:41 pm

epeeist

Narrow minded? Dr. Zara is the foremost authority in regards to Macroevolution. Who says? All others are quacks and stupid?

77. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194147 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 1:08 pm

Dr. Zara,

A bunch of quacks?


During a lecture at the American Museum of Natural History in 1981, prominent evolutionist Dr. Colin Patterson asked his esteemed audience of evolutionists this surprising question. Can you answer it? The only answer he got from the experts was silence. Patterson also tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all he got there was silence again - for a long time - eventually one honest person said, "I do know one thing--it ought not to be taught in high school."

Cited in: Phillip Johnson, Darwin on Trial (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1991), p. 10. Johnson says in the research notes of his book that Patterson's lecture was not published, but he had reviewed a transcript of it (p. 173). Furthermore, Patterson again stated the same position in an interview with journalist Tom Bethell (Bethell, "Deducing from Materialism," National Review, Aug. 29, 1986, p. 43).



Well to answer this question you must first understand that there are two types of evolution; Microevolution and Macroevolution.

Microevolution occurs when a section of DNA is mutated through either corruption or mistranscription. Here's an example using a phrase to represent a DNA strand (I admit this is not 100% accurate as DNA is so much more complex but it will serve for this answer):

Original DNA strand: The dog didn't bite the boy

Transcription error: The hog didn't bite the boy
This copy may in a benign or even possibly beneficial effect to the organism. Likewise it may result in a horrible mutation that may doom the organism to a painful early death. However the organism has now lost the original DNA strand and can no longer pass it on.

Deletion error: The dog bite the boy
This copy is missing information changing the original meaning and making it a jumbled mess. Once again multiple possibilities loom in the future of the mutated organism and the original DNA strand is lost.

Microevolution has been observed by scientists and even creationists accept it as fact and use it as staples of their theories. All previously observed forms of evolution have been examples of microevolution. However microevolution doesn't and can't explain the leap from one creature, such as a fish, to another entirely different organism, such as an air breathing mamma. That would require macroevolution as I will try to explain as simply as possible below.


Macroevolution is the addition of genetic information not found in the original DNA strand. For example:

Original DNA strand: The dog didn't bite the boy

Mutated DNA strand: The flying mer-dog didn't bite the boy

This mutation requires for additional genetic information to be added on to the original strand, something which has never been observed in any living organism. While some claim that it is possible since scientists in labs have artificially inserted genetic material to DNA strands, it is important to note they were using pre-existing genetic information. The spontaneous formation of genetic information where none previously exististed defies known scientific laws that require energy to remain a constant, neither able to be created nor destroyed. Any competent evolution theorists will tell you this which is why it is still a theory and not a fact as some of the more uneducated individuals would have you believe.


As evolution is still only a theory I find it the height of arrogance for any person to dismiss opposing theories, no matter how absurd, as non-science. This is even more true when you realize most scientific evidence is in opposition to macro-evolution, not in support of it.

In short, micro-evolution is confirmed fact, macro-evolution is still no more then a flight of fancy.


Regarding the fact that Spartina anglica evolved naturally from Spartina × townsendii; this was a process of microevolution, not macroevolution. Spartina anglica contained no new genetic information and in fact had less usable genetic information as pieces of it's DNA were now corrupted.

Right, there are two kinds of evolution. All the evidence given by all the evolutionists answering the question were examples of micro-evolution (MIE). And MIE is not the same as macro-evolution (MAE). MIE is preprogrammed, and results from loss of info. MAE needs new information which never happens

78. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194133 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Paula Kirby

Adhering to the science methodology of how you make curcumstantial evidence or inferences become fact, how would you know that I actually grew wings? Any witnesses to this? Too many assupmtions. Too many "mights" "may be's" "could have's".

79. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194113 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Paula Kirby

Yes. At least by praying, it would be possible.

80. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194109 by ReceivedTheGift on June 16, 2008 at 12:32 pm

To All

Good Day. I was thinking. It is becomming very expensive to travel these days. Has any headway been made in science which can decrease the time for Macroevolution? Just think how great it would be if we could all grow wings and fly.

81. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193684 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 10:40 pm

MPhil

No. I have the ability for disernment in recognizing, what science has proven. The complexity of life is not a process of Evolution. It is mathematically impossible.

82. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193680 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 10:31 pm

To All,

I can't. The definition of science does not allow for the supernatural. Only natural laws are allowed in its methodology. Until the inferences of Macroevolution are more than circumstantial, I choose that the scientifically proven complexity of life was created. It is the only reasonable and logical explanation.

83. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193676 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 10:23 pm

To All

All and any so-called proof of Macroevolution is based on inferences from Microevolution. In other words, all circumstantial. I accept Microevolution as fact, but Macroevolution is a whole diferent function. You all know the difference whether wanting to admit it or not.

84. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193672 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 10:18 pm

Brian English

So you admit that Evolution might be false?

85. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193667 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 10:09 pm

Goldy

Thanks for proving my point. All you have are inferences. Inferences are based on faith. So therefore, Macroevoluion is a religion.

86. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193661 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 10:02 pm

thewhitepearl

Evolution proponents claim that for something to be proven scientifically it has to reproducible in the lab. Is this not true. I'm asking for the one best example of this.

87. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193657 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:55 pm

Goldy

Gotch Ya. I'll ask again. Give me your one strongest example of a tested, verifiable and replicated proof for Macroevolution?

88. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193651 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Goldy

You know exactly the difference. Look who is avoiding now.

89. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193647 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:49 pm

Goldy

Just as I thought. You can't give me one?

90. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193643 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:45 pm

To All

Give me your one strongest tested, verifiable and replicated proof for Macroevolution?

91. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193641 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Brian English

All at one time thought the world flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. Majority does not represent truth.

You continually claim that in order to prove Evolution, you do not need to determine the origin of life. Well, science has revealved that the complexity of the living cell is mathamatically impossible to have originated by chance, thus the most logical reasonable conclusion, a Creator. You see, it is the result of science discoveries that any unbiased logical, reasoning person can and will come to that conclusion. That is the only evidence I need for the substantiation of a Creator.

92. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193635 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:32 pm

Goldy

...to see how CLOSE to the truth they are. Are you for real. Scientific facts are only based on being close to the truth? What's the threshold? All inferences relating to Macroevolution are so off, no threshold would consider it close to the truth. May be close to impossible.

93. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193632 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:28 pm

Brian English

Science just gives the best explanation? Even if the explanation is so ludicrous, that any intelligent, reasonable thinking person can see the silliness of it's claim. You choose to accept the obsurd and impossible because your only other choice would be the unthinkable. There is a higher power then you. You are not your own God. You were Created.

94. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193626 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:21 pm

Brian English

All Macroevolution inferences are based on faith. Again, present me with one scientific proven fact which undeniably proves Macroevolution. Please leave out the "may be's" the "might's" the "possibly's" the "could be's" ....

95. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193620 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Brian English

Faith is bad? Then how can you have so much faith in the religion of Evolution?

96. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193616 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:14 pm

Goldy

Just do it. When you go to bed, think of Jesus and ask him into your life. Repent your sins and he will grant you salvation through grace. You know you will not be able to get him out of your mind until you honestly try. You don't want to be up all night. Just do it.

97. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193613 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:11 pm

Goldy

Again. Why the anger and need for hostility? Be honest? Is it because I am somewhat getting through to you?

98. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193604 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:03 pm

Goldy

Why is it that you keep engaging in conversation with me? If you ignore me, I might go away.

99. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193599 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 9:00 pm

Brian English

Not everything needs evaluating. Somethings are just known to be the truth. The Truth, The Light and The Way.

100. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #193595 by ReceivedTheGift on June 15, 2008 at 8:55 pm

To All

I realize that this forum is not really about discussing Evolution. It's for all of you who are insecure, and doubting yourselves, and are in constant need of reassurance that your anxieties towards a spiritual life is reasonable.